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unpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax
Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen
to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete
on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would begood.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can sendit out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it soundedsane and
> logical.>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wantingone>> demand I still like>>>> Get corporate money out of politics>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if
we had a>> real democracy.>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praagwrote:>>>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag
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>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites untiljustice is>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson
>>[email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>
>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -->>> >> J.A. Myerson>>> >> http://www.jamyerson.com>>> >> 347.688.0241
>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>>>
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>> --> -Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofSnafu
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:16:52 PM
I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people'sdaily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no one
demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with peopledaily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federalbudgets are now attached to the stock market.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities.Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking andinvestment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even when wedon't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bank accountare real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep thevampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani,candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very importantmeasure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, but everyday or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy, not acorporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stance and evenif the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of whatpolitical demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances tomake, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going on and t thislack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall
Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the
14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global
tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid
medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax
Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen
to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice.
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- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete
on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would begood.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it
out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it soundedsane and> logical.>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one>> demand I still like>>>> Get corporate money out of politics
>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if wehad a>> real democracy.>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praagwrote:>>>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag
>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justiceis
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>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!
>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson>>[email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -->>> >> J.A. Myerson
>>> >> http://www.jamyerson.com>>> >> 347.688.0241>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>>>
>> --> -Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgrimwomyn
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:39:50 PM
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and> logical.>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one>> demand I still like>>>> Get corporate money out of politics>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a>> real democracy.>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag
wrote:>>>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:>>>
>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < >>> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson
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>>>[email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >> -->>> >> J.A. Myerson>>> >> http://www.jamyerson.com>>> >> 347.688.0241>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind>>>>>>
>>>>> --> -Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofL. W. Wind
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:35:30 PM
I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) would be good. Like,have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow
manifesto"All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can send it out andmake it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if it sounded sane and logical.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one demand Istill like
Get corporate money out of politics
or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a real
democracy.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag wrote:
+1
Joshua van [email protected]
+1.347.445.8315+44.(0)7787.896952
On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice isserved
On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> um my spell check does not work>> tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!
>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myersonwrote:>>> What on earth does that mean?>>>> JAM>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind
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wrote:>>>>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> then move to the next?>>> -->>> -Ms. Wind>>>
>>>>>>>> -->> J.A. Myerson>> http://www.jamyerson.com>> 347.688.0241>>>>>>> --
> -Ms. Wind
---Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgrimwomyn
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:33:51 PM
Totally there with you... anticorporatism is what has grabbed the attention of people
acrossthe country, whom we need if the movement is to really change things, andI'm here to make sure things get changed
On Sep 28, 2011 6:31 PM, "gail zawacki" wrote:> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one demand> I still like>> Get corporate money out of politics>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a> real democracy.>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag wrote:>>> +1>>>> Joshua van Praag>>[email protected]>>>> +1.347.445.8315>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is>> served>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" < >> [email protected]> wrote:>> > um my spell check does not work>> >>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>> >>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson>[email protected]>wrote:
>> >>> >> What on earth does that mean?>> >>>> >> JAM>> >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind < >> [email protected]>wrote:>> >>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty"
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>> >>> then move to the next?>> >>> -->> >>> -Ms. Wind>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>
>> >> -->> >> J.A. Myerson>> >> http://www.jamyerson.com>> >> 347.688.0241>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > -->> > -Ms. Wind>>>>
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgail zawacki
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:31:55 PM
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wanting one demand I stilllike
Get corporate money out of politics
or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed if we had a realdemocracy.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag wrote:+1
Joshua van [email protected]
+1.347.445.8315+44.(0)7787.896952
On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice isserved
On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> um my spell check does not work
>> tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myersonwrote:>>> What on earth does that mean?>>>> JAM>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind
wrote:>>>>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> then move to the next?>>> -->>> -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>>>
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>> -->> J.A. Myerson>> http://www.jamyerson.com>> 347.688.0241>>>>>
>> --> -Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofJoshua van Praag
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:29:00 PM
+1
Joshua van [email protected]
+1.347.445.8315+44.(0)7787.896952
On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice isserved
On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> um my spell check does not work>> tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myersonwrote:>>> What on earth does that mean?>>>> JAM
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Windwrote:>>>>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> then move to the next?>>> -->>> -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>
>>>> -->> J.A. Myerson>> http://www.jamyerson.com>> 347.688.0241>>>>>>> --
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> -Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofL. W. Wind
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:27:50 PM
Well thats a fine Idea but only works if there are enough people. 100 is NOTenough. More need to feel inspired and get behind it. I keep getting asked what its
about. we need a firm answer. OTHER then "we are the 99" (which is a goodmessage, but if you repeat it to often you end up sounding like Borg.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is served
On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> um my spell check does not work>> tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myersonwrote:>>> What on earth does that mean?>>>> JAM>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Windwrote:>>>>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty"
>>> then move to the next?>>> -->>> -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>>>>> -->> J.A. Myerson>> http://www.jamyerson.com>> 347.688.0241>>
>>>>> --> -Ms. Wind
---Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgrimwomyn
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:23:34 PM
I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until justice is served
On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> um my spell check does not work>> tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myersonwrote:>>> What on earth does that mean?>>>> JAM
>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:>>>>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> then move to the next?>>> -->>> -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>>>
>> -->> J.A. Myerson>> http://www.jamyerson.com>> 347.688.0241>>>>>>> --> -Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofL. W. Wind
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 6:14:11 PM
um my spell check does not work
tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson wrote:
What on earth does that mean?
JAM
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:for starters, "tax inappropriaty"then move to the next?
---Ms. Wind
--J.A. Myersonhttp://www.jamyerson.com347.688.0241
---Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgrimwomyn
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:33:12 PM
I propose that we (or I) suggest "Human Needs Not Corporate Greed" as the onedemand at the GA tomorrow.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:We know that. we need to explain it in small words so the world understands in acatchy way so news can cover it and average people around the world understandhow reasonable and just it is. because right now, they really dont.
And lets not forget to end corporate welfare, but write it in more legal terms like"dont give free money to a big business because they have money"oh dear that though made me so upset...
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn wrote:We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that they
exert on gov't, yes?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted??It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..butit doesn't solve anything.Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out
Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million ofnational conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broadand simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for amillion possibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu wrote:I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power overpeople's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator.There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital
is entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers'pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stockmarket.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested inequities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation betweencommercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are investedon the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think themoney you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you aredreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani,candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a veryimportant measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list
several times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying"We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of theseissues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keepsgrowing, eventually it will have to face the question of what politicaldemands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances tomake, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going onand t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the longrun.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood
under the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through.
Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending
and unpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the
Tax Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer
and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of
his or her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to
compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:
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> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it)would be good.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow byblow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we
can send it out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if itsounded sane and> logical.>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back towanting one>> demand I still like>>
>> Get corporate money out of politics>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would befixed if we had a>> real democracy.>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praagwrote:>>>>> +1>>>
>>> Joshua van Praag>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their citesuntil justice is>>> served
>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson>>[email protected]>wrote:
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>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> --
>>> >> J.A. Myerson>>> >>http://www.jamyerson.com>>> >> 347.688.0241>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind>>>>>>
>>>>> --> -Ms. Wind
--
-Ms. Wind
---Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofJ.A. Myerson
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 5:59:00 PM
What on earth does that mean?
JAM
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:for starters, "tax inappropriaty"then move to the next?---Ms. Wind
--J.A. Myerson
http://www.jamyerson.com347.688.0241
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofL. W. Wind
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:30:27 PM
We know that. we need to explain it in small words so the world understands in acatchy way so news can cover it and average people around the world understand
how reasonable and just it is. because right now, they really dont.
And lets not forget to end corporate welfare, but write it in more legal terms like"dont give free money to a big business because they have money"oh dear that though made me so upset...On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that theyexert on gov't, yes?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted??
It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..butit doesn't solve anything.Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out
Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million ofnational conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broadand simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a
million possibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu wrote:I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power overpeople's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator.There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital isentangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pensionfunds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested inequities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between
commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested onthe stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money yousee (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. Theyare all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they couldvanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple ofdays ago on BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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important measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this listseveral times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying"We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of theseissues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing,eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands toarticulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At themoment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideas
and debate will have a negative impact in the long run.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-
Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood
under the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introducea global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and
unpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax
Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and
citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or
her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to
compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it)would be good.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow byblow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we can
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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>>> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind
>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -->>> >> J.A. Myerson>>> >>http://www.jamyerson.com>>> >> 347.688.0241>>> >>>>> >>>>> >
>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>>>>> --> -Ms. Wind
---Ms. Wind
---Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgrimwomyn
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:30:04 PM
LOVE !!!!!! And it ties together into a larger movement! LOVE!!!!! YES!!!!!! togetherwe are stronger!!!!!!! yes!!!!!!!!!
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:29 PM, gail zawacki wrote:Is there some reason we don't just adopt the October2011 platform? Is there anysubstantive difference?Human Needs Not Corporate Greed - one extra word.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn wrote:We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that theyexert on gov't, yes?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted??It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..butit doesn't solve anything.Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out
Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of
national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broadand simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for amillion possibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu wrote:I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power overpeople's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator.There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capitalis entangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers'pension funds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stockmarket.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested inequities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation betweencommercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are investedon the stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think themoney you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you aredreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampirealive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani,candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News:
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a veryimportant measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this listseveral times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying"We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of theseissues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps
growing, eventually it will have to face the question of what politicaldemands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances tomake, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion going onand t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the longrun.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-
Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhoodunder the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through.
Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending
and unpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the
Tax Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer
and citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of
his or her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to
compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it)would be good.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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blow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then wecan send it out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if itsounded sane and
> logical.>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back towanting one>> demand I still like>>>> Get corporate money out of politics>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be
fixed if we had a>> real democracy.>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praagwrote:>>>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag>>>[email protected]>>>
>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their citesuntil justice is>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:
>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson>>[email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>
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>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>
>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -->>> >> J.A. Myerson>>> >>http://www.jamyerson.com
>>> >> 347.688.0241>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind>>>>>>>>>>
> --> -Ms. Wind
---Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgail zawacki
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:29:16 PM
Is there some reason we don't just adopt the October2011 platform? Is there anysubstantive difference?
Human Needs Not Corporate Greed - one extra word.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:25 PM, grimwomyn wrote:We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that theyexert on gov't, yes?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted??It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..butit doesn't solve anything.Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out
Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million ofnational conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broadand simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for amillion possibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu wrote:I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power overpeople's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator.There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital isentangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pensionfunds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested inequities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation betweencommercial banking and investment banking, all our savings are invested onthe stock market even when we don't choose to. If you think the money yousee (or don't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They
are all pumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they couldvanish overnight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple ofdays ago on BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a veryimportant measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this listseveral times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying"We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
Emails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
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issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing,eventually it will have to face the question of what political demands toarticulate, what are its priorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At themoment, there is no real political discussion going on and t this lack of ideasand debate will have a negative impact in the long run.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-
Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood
under the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce
a global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending andunpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax
Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and
citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or
her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to
compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it)would be good.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow byblow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we cansend it out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if itsounded sane and
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> logical.>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back towanting one
>> demand I still like>>>> Get corporate money out of politics>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would befixed if we had a>> real democracy.>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praagwrote:>>
>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until
justice is>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson>>[email protected]>wrote:
>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>
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>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>
>>> >>>>> >> -->>> >> J.A. Myerson>>> >>http://www.jamyerson.com>>> >> 347.688.0241>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind
>>>>>>>>>>> --> -Ms. Wind
---Ms. Wind
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofgrimwomyn
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:26:00 PM
We don't want to get rid of corporations-- just the privilege and control that theyexert on gov't, yes?
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:24 PM, L. W. Wind wrote:But it does not work that way. How is that to be interpreted??It might feel good to stand and shout "Out with corporations now!"..butit doesn't solve anything.Make it the top bold face type. but simple clear things need to follow.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM, grimwomyn wrote:One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out
Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the million of
national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control is broad andsimple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the field open for a millionpossibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu wrote:I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power overpeople's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator.There is no one demand that will solve this issue, because financial capital isentangled with people daily lives much more than we think. Workers' pensionfunds, state and federal budgets are now attached to the stock market.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested inequities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercialbanking and investment banking, all our savings are invested on the stockmarket even when we don't choose to. If you think the money you see (ordon't see) on your bank account are real, you are dreaming. They are allpumped in the stock market to keep the vampire alive, and they could vanishovernight, as this trader, Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days agoon BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important
measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, butevery day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want ademocracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is adelusional stance and even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it willhave to face the question of what political demands to articulate, what are itspriorities, what kind of alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no realpolitical discussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have anegative impact in the long run.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
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- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-
Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood
under the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a
global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and
unpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax
Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer andcitizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or
her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to
compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) wouldbe good.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we cansend it out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if itsounded sane and> logical.>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back towanting one>> demand I still like
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>>>> Get corporate money out of politics>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixedif we had a>> real democracy.>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praagwrote:>>>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites until
justice is>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!
>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson>>[email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>
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- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under
the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a
global tax on all financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending andunpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax
Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and
citizen to donate the same amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her
choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to
compete on an equal foot with the two major parties.
On 9/28/11 6:39 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
The demand needs to be four words or less.
Example: mubarak out
On Sep 28, 2011 6:35 PM, "L. W. Wind" wrote:
> I think making it exact (like getting an accountant in on it) wouldbe good.> Like, have that ideal as the banner and beneath a blow by blow> manifesto> "All people shall be taxed 10% from all sources except..."> well heck i'm not an accountant i have no clue but then we cansend it out> and make it a demand. all the newspapers would run it if itsounded sane and> logical.>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:31 PM, gail zawacki
wrote:>>> Sorry to sound like a broken record, but if we're back to wantingone>> demand I still like>>>> Get corporate money out of politics>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed ifwe had a
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofL. W. Wind
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:22:42 PM
"- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act that separates
investment banking from commercial banking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate personhood under the 14th
Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through. Introduce a global tax on all
financial transactions now.
- Housing is a human right. Halt all foreclosures due to predatory lending and unpaid medical bills.
- Pair the taxes on long-term capital gains to the income tax. Repeal the Tax Reconciliation Act now.
- Ban all corporate funding to political candidates. Enable each taxpayer and citizen to donate the same
amount of money to a candidate or party of his or her choice.
- Radical reform of the electoral system. Enable new political formations to compete on an equal foot
with the two major parties. "
I could agree to all of these and agree we need demands, and we need them quick
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu wrote:I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate power over people'sdaily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting a dictator. There is no onedemand that will solve this issue, because financial capital is entangled with peopledaily lives much more than we think. Workers' pension funds, state and federalbudgets are now attached to the stock market.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested in equities.Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between commercial banking andinvestment banking, all our savings are invested on the stock market even whenwe don't choose to. If you think the money you see (or don't see) on your bankaccount are real, you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market tokeep the vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader, AlessioRastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a very important
measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this list several times, butevery day or so this conversation begins anew... Saying "We want a democracy,not a corporatocry" will not solve any of these issues. This is a delusional stanceand even if the movement keeps growing, eventually it will have to face thequestion of what political demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kindof alliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real political discussion goingon and t this lack of ideas and debate will have a negative impact in the long run.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
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>>>> or something like it. Many, many other problems would be fixed ifwe had a>> real democracy.>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Joshua van Praag
wrote:>>>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:
>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy their cites untiljustice is>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson
>>[email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>
>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -->>> >> J.A. Myerson
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From: [email protected] on behalf ofSahar Vahidi
Subject: Re: [september17discuss] can we try to come up with one demand?
Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 7:22:19 PM
end corporate control
+1
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wrote:One demand can work as it did in Egypt, Mubarak Out
Make is broad so many many things can come underneath as the millionof national conversations erupt, something like: end corporate control isbroad and simple-- so for braod and simple and you can have the fieldopen for a million possibilities of change.
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Snafu wrote:I disagree, the dictatorship of financial capital and corporate powerover people's daily lives is a much more complex affair than ousting adictator. There is no one demand that will solve this issue, becausefinancial capital is entangled with people daily lives much more thanwe think. Workers' pension funds, state and federal budgets are nowattached to the stock market.
Further, in this country millions of people have their savings invested inequities. Even more, thanks to the end of the separation between
commercial banking and investment banking, all our savings areinvested on the stock market even when we don't choose to. If youthink the money you see (or don't see) on your bank account are real,you are dreaming. They are all pumped in the stock market to keepthe vampire alive, and they could vanish overnight, as this trader,
Alessio Rastani, candidly put it a couple of days ago on BBC News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC19fEqR5bA
This is the reason why reintroducing Glass-Steagall would be a veryimportant measure. I have posted several sensible demands to this listseveral times, but every day or so this conversation begins anew...
Saying "We want a democracy, not a corporatocry" will not solve anyof these issues. This is a delusional stance and even if the movementkeeps growing, eventually it will have to face the question of whatpolitical demands to articulate, what are its priorities, what kind ofalliances to make, etc. At the moment, there is no real politicaldiscussion going on and t this lack of ideas and debate will have anegative impact in the long run.
Again, these are seven points I think we should begin with:
- Stop gambling people's savings on Wall Street. Reinstate the 1933
Glass-Steagall Act that separates investment banking from commercialbanking.
- Corporations are not and will never be people. End corporate
personhood under the 14th Amendment.
- Tax all financial transactions as we tax all salable goods through.
Introduce a global tax on all financial transactions now.
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>>> +1>>>>>> Joshua van Praag>>>[email protected]>>>>>> +1.347.445.8315>>> +44.(0)7787.896952
>>>>>> On Sep 28, 2011, at 6:23 PM, grimwomyn wrote:>>>>>> I like the idea to demand that people occupy theircites until justice is>>> served>>> On Sep 28, 2011 6:14 PM, "L. W. Wind" >> [email protected]> wrote:>>> > um my spell check does not work>>> >
>>> > tax APPROPRIATELY sorry!>>> >>>> > On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:58 PM, J.A. Myerson>>[email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>> >> What on earth does that mean?>>> >>>>> >> JAM>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:57 PM, L. W. Wind >> [email protected]>wrote:>>> >>>>> >>> for starters, "tax inappropriaty">>> >>> then move to the next?>>> >>> -->>> >>> -Ms. Wind>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> --
>>> >> J.A. Myerson>>> >>http://www.jamyerson.com>>> >> 347.688.0241>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > -->>> > -Ms. Wind
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