We Know It Student mobility Prof. Claudio Beccari Socrates Institutional Coordinator

We Know It

Student mobility

Prof. Claudio BeccariSocrates Institutional Coordinator

OutlineOutline The Italian University education The Italian University education

schemescheme Interaction between the education Interaction between the education

scheme and the student mobilityscheme and the student mobility Mobility programsMobility programs Highs and Lows of our mobility Highs and Lows of our mobility

programsprograms ConclusionConclusion

Italian University Italian University Education SchemeEducation Scheme

European 3+2+3 Scheme: Italian European 3+2+3 Scheme: Italian implementationimplementation

Magistrale

Degrees awardedDegrees awarded

First level degree: First level degree: LaureaLaurea Second level degreeSecond level degree: : Laurea magistraleLaurea magistrale Third level degree: Third level degree: Dottorato di ricercaDottorato di ricerca First level continuing education degree: First level continuing education degree:

Master Universitario di primo livelloMaster Universitario di primo livello Second level continuing education degree: Second level continuing education degree:

Master Universitario di secondo livelloMaster Universitario di secondo livello

Meaning of Meaning of LaureaLaurea Short for the Latin phrase Short for the Latin phrase corona corona

laurea laurea laurel crownlaurel crown It indicates the laurel crown that was It indicates the laurel crown that was

worn by the new doctors after their worn by the new doctors after their dissertation in the first medieval dissertation in the first medieval universitiesuniversities

IEE motto: IEE motto: Lauream ferat qui meruitLauream ferat qui meruit Let him wear the laurel crown who deserved itLet him wear the laurel crown who deserved it

Meaning of Meaning of Laurea magistraleLaurea magistrale Since the word “Master” had already Since the word “Master” had already

been used for the continuing been used for the continuing education degrees, the second level education degrees, the second level degree could not be called “Master”degree could not be called “Master”

… … but again Latin comes handy and but again Latin comes handy and ““laurea magistralelaurea magistrale” is the Italian ” is the Italian equivalent of “equivalent of “laurea magistralislaurea magistralis” the ” the master’s laurel crownmaster’s laurel crown

Interaction between the education Interaction between the education scheme and the student mobilityscheme and the student mobility

With the old pre-European scheme With the old pre-European scheme we used to arrange student mobility we used to arrange student mobility only for students on the fourth or only for students on the fourth or fifth year of their curriculumfifth year of their curriculum

We considered them mature enough We considered them mature enough to face the difficulties of an to face the difficulties of an international experienceinternational experience

New scheme mobilityNew scheme mobility This is why, with very few This is why, with very few

exceptions, now we arrange mobility exceptions, now we arrange mobility programs only for second level programs only for second level students, Italian students who students, Italian students who already got the already got the laurea laurea degreedegree, or , or foreign students frequenting courses foreign students frequenting courses on the second level pathon the second level path

This is particularly handy for double This is particularly handy for double degree programsdegree programs

Incoming foreign students

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200

400

600

800

Academic year: from 85/86 to 04/05

Num

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Incoming foreign studentsIncoming foreign students2004/052004/05

5% 6%7%

19%

0%25%

38%

MaghrebAfricaAsiaEast. EuropeNorth AmericaLatin AmericaWest. Europe

Latin American countriesLatin American countries

Outgoing Italian studentsOutgoing Italian students

050

100150200250300350400450

97/98 99/00 01/02 03/04

Academic year

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Outgoing Italian studentsOutgoing Italian students2003/042003/04

3% 6%7%

8%

2%

14%

25%

35%

OthersAnglo-SaxonGermanic C.ScandinaviaEast. EuropeBENELUXIberiaFrance

Mobility programsMobility programs

We must distinguish between We must distinguish between Undergraduate student mobilityUndergraduate student mobility Graduate student mobilityGraduate student mobility

In general the undergraduate mobility In general the undergraduate mobility programs for our outgoing students programs for our outgoing students are very restricted.are very restricted.

Special programs for foreign Special programs for foreign undergraduate studentsundergraduate students

We accept foreign students on their We accept foreign students on their third year of the first level paththird year of the first level path

We We do not acceptdo not accept them only for them only for attending their internshipattending their internship

Up to now we accepted them for just Up to now we accepted them for just one semesterone semester

We have no double degree programs We have no double degree programs for undergraduate students, …for undergraduate students, …

… … except two degree courses where except two degree courses where all three years are part of a joint all three years are part of a joint program:program:

1.1. LIFI: LIFI: Laurea in Ingegneria Laurea in Ingegneria dell’informazione Franco–Italianadell’informazione Franco–Italiana Licence en Ingénierie Franco Italienne Licence en Ingénierie Franco Italienne [[Politecnico di TorinoPolitecnico di Torino andand Institut Institut National Polytechnique de Grenoble]National Polytechnique de Grenoble]

2.2. Ingegneria della Produzione Ingegneria della Produzione [Politecnico di Torino[Politecnico di Torino, Centre Leonardo , Centre Leonardo de Vinci de Paris, de Vinci de Paris, Universitat Universitat Politecnica de Catalunya de BarcelonaPolitecnica de Catalunya de Barcelona, , University of Ashton]University of Ashton]

Mobility for our undergraduate Mobility for our undergraduate studentsstudents

Students of the faculties of Architecture Students of the faculties of Architecture are allowed to participate to unrestricted are allowed to participate to unrestricted undergraduate mobilityundergraduate mobility

Students of the faculties of Engineering Students of the faculties of Engineering frequenting in the non metropolitan frequenting in the non metropolitan campuses may participate to campuses may participate to undergraduate mobilityundergraduate mobility

Other undergraduate students of Other undergraduate students of Engineering may participate only to Engineering may participate only to special programsspecial programs

Special programs for our Special programs for our engineering undergraduate engineering undergraduate

studentsstudents The above mentioned two special The above mentioned two special

programs that rely on global programs that rely on global curriculum joint programs are the curriculum joint programs are the only ones available for our outgoing only ones available for our outgoing undergraduate studentsundergraduate students

We have them undergo a special We have them undergo a special selective procedure in order to chose selective procedure in order to chose the best and most motivated onesthe best and most motivated ones

French System of National French System of National Polytechnic Institutes (INP)Polytechnic Institutes (INP)

BAC

Nationale

INP - CPP

INP-T

INP-L

3 years2 years

Degre d’Ingenieur

Cycle Polytechnique Préparatoire

INP-G

The LIFI curriculumThe LIFI curriculum

France

Italy

1st year

1st year

2nd year1st sem.

2nd year1st sem.

2nd Year2nd sem.

3rd year1st sem.

3rd year2nd sem.

3rd year2nd sem.

Further Education Opportunities Further Education Opportunities after the LIFI Degreeafter the LIFI Degree

FRANCE ITALY

LIFI

ELN

INF

TLCLaurea

Magistr.

LIFI

ENSERG

ENSIMAG

TELECOM

ENSPG

Diplôme Ing.

ITC

2 years 2 years

Graduate student mobilityGraduate student mobility Graduate student mobility forms Graduate student mobility forms

the major part of our programsthe major part of our programs1.1. One semester of coursesOne semester of courses2.2. Two semesters of coursesTwo semesters of courses3.3. One semester courses plus one One semester courses plus one

semester for the master thesissemester for the master thesis4.4. Master thesisMaster thesis5.5. Two semesters of courses plus master Two semesters of courses plus master

thesis for double degree programsthesis for double degree programs

Special graduate student programsSpecial graduate student programs

Master of Science in Electrical Master of Science in Electrical Engineering and Computer Engineering and Computer engineering jointly with the engineering jointly with the University of Illinois in ChicagoUniversity of Illinois in Chicago

Master of Science in Mechanical Master of Science in Mechanical Engineering jointly with the Engineering jointly with the University of Illinois in ChicagoUniversity of Illinois in Chicago• These degree courses require These degree courses require

approximately three semesters; they are approximately three semesters; they are taught completely in Englishtaught completely in English

22ndnd level degree in ITC level degree in ITC and EECS Master Degree UICand EECS Master Degree UIC

Laurea degree or equivalent

Two semesters of courses in English

1st level Italian Master

degree

One semester work for the Master Thesis

in English defended in Chicago

Two semesters of courses in English

Laurea Magistrale in ITC

Engineering

WORK

European postgraduate coursesEuropean postgraduate courses Joint master degree on Nano- and Joint master degree on Nano- and

micro-technologies [Politecnico di micro-technologies [Politecnico di Torino, INP-Grenoble, EPF-Lausanne]Torino, INP-Grenoble, EPF-Lausanne]

European Master degree (Erasmus European Master degree (Erasmus Mundus program) in Information Mundus program) in Information Technologies [Barcelona, Torino, Technologies [Barcelona, Torino, Louvain, Karlsruhe]Louvain, Karlsruhe]

……

European postgraduate coursesEuropean postgraduate courses …… 22ndnd level Master level Master UniversitarioUniversitario degrees in degrees in

Information and Telecommunication Information and Telecommunication Technologies: three different degree Technologies: three different degree courses, all taught in Englishcourses, all taught in English

One complete second level degree course One complete second level degree course in Information Technology completely in Information Technology completely taught in English leading to the taught in English leading to the Laurea Laurea MagistraleMagistrale degree degree

Micro- and Nanotechnologies Micro- and Nanotechnologies Master degreeMaster degree

Italy

(Turin)

France(Grenoble)

2nd semestercourses

1st semestercourses

Switzerland(Lausanne)

3rd semestercourses

Project work

Project work

Project work

Programs Programs One semester coursesOne semester courses Two semester coursesTwo semester courses One semester courses and one One semester courses and one

semester thesissemester thesis One semester thesisOne semester thesis Double degree: two semester Double degree: two semester

courses plus one semester master courses plus one semester master thesisthesis

45 double degree agreements 45 double degree agreements

America Latina 12

Spagna 6Francia 17

Svizzera 1Germania 2

Romania 1 UK 1

Different double degree Different double degree arrangementsarrangements

The double degree programs are our The double degree programs are our preferred programspreferred programs

They really offer foreign and Italian They really offer foreign and Italian student concrete possibilities of student concrete possibilities of intercultural educationintercultural education

The diplomas are automatically recognized The diplomas are automatically recognized by at least two countriesby at least two countries

Graduates may effectively exercise the Graduates may effectively exercise the European right of working (almost European right of working (almost everywhere) in Europeeverywhere) in Europe

Double degree schemesDouble degree schemes There are various constraints that may There are various constraints that may

cause the realization of these programs a cause the realization of these programs a little difficult:little difficult:• Obviously the different background and the Obviously the different background and the

different education systemsdifferent education systems• The semester purposes; in some countries the The semester purposes; in some countries the

last semester is totally dedicated to the final last semester is totally dedicated to the final projectproject

• Some countries require that at least half of the Some countries require that at least half of the education time is spent in their universitieseducation time is spent in their universities

• Some countries may require an additional Some countries may require an additional semester for language requirementssemester for language requirements

Double degree schemesDouble degree schemes Most of our agreements (except those for Most of our agreements (except those for

which there is an overall agreement on the which there is an overall agreement on the complete degree course complete degree course Erasmus Erasmus Mundus European Master) require a Mundus European Master) require a curriculum one semester longer than the curriculum one semester longer than the normal master degree onenormal master degree one

The The +2+2 section of the European education section of the European education becomes becomes +2.5 +2.5 : two semesters of courses : two semesters of courses and one semester dedicated to the master and one semester dedicated to the master thesisthesis

Normally we do not accept the TIME Normally we do not accept the TIME projects that last more than projects that last more than 3 semesters3 semesters

Double degree schemesDouble degree schemes We developed around 25 different We developed around 25 different

schemes for coping with the various schemes for coping with the various constraints with different European constraints with different European or extra European universities for or extra European universities for outgoing and incoming students outgoing and incoming students respectivelyrespectively

I’ll show only a few samplesI’ll show only a few samples

POLITECNICO DI TORINO

INCOMING STUDENTSScheme n°1 EUROPE

See ListPOLITECNICO DI TORINO

•ÉCOLE POLITECNIQUE FEDERALE DE LAUSANNE

•TECNISCHE UNIVERSITÄT DARMSTADT•UNIVERSIDAD POLITECNICA DE

CATALUNY A•UNIVERSIDAD POLITECNICA DE MADRID•INSTITUT NATIONAL POLY TECHNIQUE

DE GRENOBLE(ECOLE FRANCAISE DE PEPEPTERIE ET

DES INDUSTRIES GRAPHIQUES)•INSTITUT NATIONAL POLY TECHNIQUE

DE GRENOBLE(ENSIEG – ECOLE NATIONALE SUPERIEURE D’INGENIEURS)

•ECOLE SUPERIEURE D’ELECRICITE DE PARIS

•ECOLE NATIOANLE SUPERIEURE DE CHIMIE DE MONTPELLIER

•UNIVERSITAE POLY TEHNICA DIN BUCARESTI

• UNIVERSITE DE MONTPELLIER•ECOLE D’ARCHITECTURE DE MARSEILLE

LUMINY•UNIVERSITE MONTPELLIER II (ISIM)*

* Materials engineering only

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year

5th year

DEGREE

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

Suppl. Semester




•UNIVERSITAT POLITECNICA DE CATALUNIA – ESTEB ( INGENIERIA

QUIMICA)•INSTITUT NATIONAL POLY TECNIQUE DE GRENOBLE – DEP. TELECOMMUNICATIO,

ELECRONIQUE ETC1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year II sem

5th year I sem.1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

5th year II sem.

4th year I sem.

Suppl. semester

DEGREE



KUNGL TEKNISKAHÖGSKOLAN


Suppl. Semester I

Suppl. Semester II*

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1st year 2nd year 3rd year DEGREE 1st year 2nd year 3rd year

* Only in case of further language requirements


OUTGOINGScheme n°1 EUROPE


•ÉCOLE POLITECNIQUE FEDERALE DE LAUSANNE (TO BE RENEWED)

•TECNISCHE UNIVERSITÄT DARMSTADT (TO BE RENEWED)

•UNIVERSIDAD POLITECNICA DE CATALUNY A (TO BE RENEWED)

•UNIVERSIDAD POLITECNICA DE MADRID (TO BE RENEWED)

•INSTITUT NATIONAL POLY TECHNIQUE DE GRENOBLE (TO BE RENEWED)

(ECOLE FRANCAISE DE PEPEPTERIE ET DES INDUSTRIES GRAPHIQUES)

•ECOLE SUPERIEURE D’ELECRICITE DE PARIS (TO BE RENEWED)

•ECOLE NATIOANLE SUPERIEURE DE CHIMIE DE MONTPELLIER (TO BE

RENEWED)•UNIVERSITAE POLY TEHNICA DIN

BUCARESTI• UNIVERSITE DE MONTPELLIER (TO BE

RENEWED)•ECOLE D’ARCHITECTURE DE MARSEILLE

LUMINY•UNIVERSITE MONTPELLIER II (ISIM)*

(TO BE RENEWED)* Materials engineering only

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year

5th year

DEGREE

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

Suppl. Semester




•UNIVERSITAT POLITECNICA DE CATALUNIA ( INGENIERIA QUIMICA-

SECOND SCHEME))•INSTITUT NATIONAL POLY TECNIQUE DE GRENOBLE – DEP. TELECOMMUNICATIO,

ELECRONIQUE ETC•INSTITUT NATIONAL POLY TECHNIQUE

DE GRENOBLE(ENSIEG – ECOLE NATIONALE SUPERIEURE D’INGENIEURS)

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1 SEMESTRE

2 SEMESTRE

1st year

2nd year

3rd year

4th year II sem

5th year I sem.1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

5th year II sem.

4th year I sem.

Suppl. semester

DEGREE



KUNGL TEKNISKAHÖGSKOLAN


Suppl. Semester I

Suppl. Semester II*

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1ST Semester

2ND Semester

1st year 2nd year 3rd year DEGREE 1st year 2nd year 3rd year

* Only in case of further language requirements

Highs and Lows Highs and Lows of our mobility programsof our mobility programs

We are very satisfied that a large We are very satisfied that a large number of foreign students have the number of foreign students have the possibility of studying here; some of possibility of studying here; some of them eventually decide to remain, at them eventually decide to remain, at least some years, in order to work least some years, in order to work here; some of them continue their here; some of them continue their education on the third level, the education on the third level, the Doctorate.Doctorate.


We are also very glad that many of We are also very glad that many of our students have the opportunity of our students have the opportunity of studying abroad so as to enlarge studying abroad so as to enlarge their views, learn new languages, their views, learn new languages, and appreciate other countries and appreciate other countries education systems and ways of life. education systems and ways of life. Some continue with their doctorates Some continue with their doctorates and some remain working abroad.and some remain working abroad.


These were actually the goals that These were actually the goals that the European Commission had in the European Commission had in mind when first set up the Socrates mind when first set up the Socrates programsprograms

These are also the goals of the These are also the goals of the institutions that made reciprocal institutions that made reciprocal agreements with extra European agreements with extra European countriescountries


The lows are mostly due to bureaucratic The lows are mostly due to bureaucratic issues in spite of the excellent work done issues in spite of the excellent work done by the staff and the professors involvedby the staff and the professors involved

1.1. Education systems are different even at the Education systems are different even at the high school level: Italy, Switzerland, Austria high school level: Italy, Switzerland, Austria and Germany have a 13-year primary and and Germany have a 13-year primary and secondary education, while most other secondary education, while most other countries have a 12-year system, and some countries have a 12-year system, and some even 11- o 10-year systems. The even 11- o 10-year systems. The backgrounds of the enrolling university backgrounds of the enrolling university students are necessarily very differentstudents are necessarily very different


2.2. The compulsory education not necessarily The compulsory education not necessarily coincides with the complete duration of the coincides with the complete duration of the primary and secondary schools; for example primary and secondary schools; for example in Italy school is compulsory only for 10 in Italy school is compulsory only for 10 years, but the secondary education allowing years, but the secondary education allowing enrollment in the university lasts 3 more enrollment in the university lasts 3 more years; this implies that the last three years of years; this implies that the last three years of the secondary school are by definition “not the secondary school are by definition “not for everybody’’ and there exists a moderate for everybody’’ and there exists a moderate selectionselection


3.3. In principle the Austrian, German, In principle the Austrian, German, Italian, and Swiss students should have Italian, and Swiss students should have less general education in university, less general education in university, since they had more in high schoolsince they had more in high school

4.4. And this is what really happens; in And this is what really happens; in facts the university curricula in these facts the university curricula in these countries contain more professional countries contain more professional courses and less general education courses and less general education onesones


5.5. The traditions of some countries are The traditions of some countries are such that the 3+2+3 scheme hardly such that the 3+2+3 scheme hardly will be ever adopted. will be ever adopted.

• For example the For example the Grands EcolesGrands Ecoles system is system is based on the 2+3+3 scheme, where the based on the 2+3+3 scheme, where the first two years are done outside the first two years are done outside the university, in the university, in the classes préparatoiresclasses préparatoires

• As we have seen, also the As we have seen, also the Instituts Instituts Nationaux PolytechniquesNationaux Polytechniques are based on a are based on a 2+3+3 system2+3+3 system


6.6. The different time schedules for The different time schedules for courses and exams make student courses and exams make student mobility a little difficult; in Sweden mobility a little difficult; in Sweden courses start just after the middle courses start just after the middle of August, while in Italy they may of August, while in Italy they may start even by the middle of October start even by the middle of October (by the middle of September in our (by the middle of September in our PolitecnicoPolitecnico))


7.7. In Italy we have from three to five In Italy we have from three to five examination periods; one of these examination periods; one of these periods occupies the time from the periods occupies the time from the end of summer vacations (August) end of summer vacations (August) to the beginning of the fall to the beginning of the fall semestersemester

8.8. In some countries, among which In some countries, among which Italy, exams may be repeated at Italy, exams may be repeated at will (but only once per session)will (but only once per session)


9.9. Even some terminology is Even some terminology is confusing: confusing:

• Industrial engineering Industrial engineering means different means different things in different countriesthings in different countries

• Information technologyInformation technology is sometimes is sometimes confused with confused with Computer scienceComputer science

• ArchitectureArchitecture may imply something may imply something very similar to very similar to Civil or Building Civil or Building EngineeringEngineering

• Et cetera…Et cetera…


10.10. Due to different timings and Due to different timings and different bureaucratical procedures different bureaucratical procedures for recording the exams and for recording the exams and producing the transcripts of grades producing the transcripts of grades there might be delays for the there might be delays for the validation and accreditations of the validation and accreditations of the exams passed abroadexams passed abroad

11.11. Let’s not speak of the different Let’s not speak of the different grading systemsgrading systems


12.12. The ECTS credit system is not The ECTS credit system is not adopted everywhere, and even adopted everywhere, and even where it is, the word where it is, the word creditcredit has has different meaningsdifferent meanings

13.13. The ECTS grading system is even The ECTS grading system is even less adopted, but even where it is, less adopted, but even where it is, the percentages of the various the percentages of the various populations are computed in populations are computed in different waysdifferent ways


I would not insist on these topics; I believe I would not insist on these topics; I believe that these problems may be overcome that these problems may be overcome with good will and with a lot of open-with good will and with a lot of open-mindednessmindedness

Sometimes it’s even necessary to tweak Sometimes it’s even necessary to tweak the law…the law…

We all are obliged to do our best in order We all are obliged to do our best in order to have our Parliaments modify the to have our Parliaments modify the legislation so as to make it work in favor of legislation so as to make it work in favor of the internationalization of our students the internationalization of our students and our universitiesand our universities

ConclusionConclusion I am very glad that this meeting I am very glad that this meeting

allowed us to compare our mutual allowed us to compare our mutual systems of university education, our systems of university education, our practice of managing our student practice of managing our student mobility, our difficulties in assessing mobility, our difficulties in assessing our student achievementsour student achievements

I hope the rest of this meeting brings I hope the rest of this meeting brings useful results for everybodyuseful results for everybody

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