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WHEN will Invicta Stop Advertising MSRP's?

The current Sunday Run special...The Elite XL...MSRP $1000 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now $59 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW..that's $941 OFF, what a great deal!!!LOL!

Personally, I find it almost insulting for them to state or spew this kind of garbage. It's a wide spread joke

on here and I'm sure in the minds of most customers with any intelligence. I believe it's also one of the

reasons Invicta isn't taken seriously by collectors of better watches. Some Invicta's are definitely on the

same quality level as many of the higher priced brands, but these crazy MSRP's across their entire line

make it impossible to believe that.

I'm still looking for the similar Omega Speedmaster deal- MSRP $3800...now $239. Hmmm, haven't

found it!

IMO, Just tell us how much you want for the item, and if it's a fair price for something we want, we'll

probably buy it. Or if you MUST show a savings for those who buy nothing unless it's on sale, then list a

truer MSRP. On this one, for example, I'm guessing that $99 would be a true MSRP.

PLEASE EYAL! Start the new year with a new marketing model...true MSRP's! Thanks!

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Ever Manufactor advertises list prices,and always will.

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Ever Manufactor advertises list prices,and always will.

I think you missed the point....

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Agree with Ed, just tell me what you want for the watch and cut the MSRP it is irrelevant.

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Point Well made

Not just with Invicta-even SWI, Stuhrling android etc, etc. Although Invicta seems to be a large scale

inflator of msrp's! I wish they would quit playing this game as well.

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Have you checked the retail prices of some invictas in jewelry stores?

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I think you missed the point....

I stand corrected they should not overstate retail but they will. The price we pay as you stated is what

matters.

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I think the point is that if Shop just listed their selling price,most people would believe it to be a true

retail selling price.Just look around here for example,with all this knowledge most are in denial that a

MSRP actually exist.Invicta shows a percentage markdown off of their MSRP in retail.I've seen WOW list

higher MSRP for Invicta's in the past,and nobody says boo about it.

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Is this a rule?

Is it against the Law to post the MSRP?

If one is insulted, then maybe some thicker skin should be applied.

I am not offended when the MSRP on a vehicle says $65K. I know what I am willing to pay. I dont see

the issue here to be honest with you!

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Ed makes a very good point. No one,from what I see here, is wrong however.For myself,I don't even look

at the MSRP, for Ed's very reason.

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MSRP= Manufacturer's SUGGESTED RETAIL Price, although outside of some midguided ebay sellers I've

never seen an Invicta anywhere actually using it. I happen to believe in an educated consumer. If I didn't

research feed & grain prices and buy accordingly, my farm would soon cease to be profitable enough to

justify its existence as a viable business. We get a lot of education here that others don't, so where we

see the outrageous nature of Invicta's MSRP's, the vast majority does not. It's a cynical practice, but a

lot of people are swayed by them.

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Pointless rant.

Answer: NEVER

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Don't even pay attention to the MSRP anymore. I buy the watches I want at a price I am obviously

content with.

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I agree 100%

I know there must be a base--but let's be HONEST and realistic.

Wouldn't that be a nice New Years resolution-honest and fair pricing.

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Don't even pay attention to the MSRP anymore. I buy the watches I want at a price I am obviously

content with.

Very reasonable philosophy!

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Consumer responsibility?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaiderFan

MSRP= Manufacturer's SUGGESTED RETAIL Price, although outside of some misguided ebay sellers I've

never seen an Invicta anywhere actually using it. I happen to believe in an educated consumer. If I

didn't research feed & grain prices and buy accordingly, my farm would soon cease to be profitable

enough to justify its existence as a viable business. We get a lot of education here that others don't, so

where we see the outrageous nature of Invicta's MSRP's, the vast majority does not. It's a cynical

practice, but a lot of people are swayed by them.

Good point, Mike. I was sharing in another thread that today in the "black Friday" madness, I noticed a

Seiko Coutura which had a MSRP of $495. It was marked down by 25%, which is pretty standard for

Seiko. I fully agree with your point in being an educated consumer. If Invicta's MSRP's bother the OP or

anyone else, GOOD FOR THEM! They understand what the real value of the watch is. Is it marketing for

an uneducated group of consumers? No doubt, but it certainly is not a crime to have those MSRP's. For

those of us who have been Shop customers for many years, we have noticed that ALL MSRP's have

come down dramatically for all brands over the years.

For example, Stuhrling had MSRP's routinely in excess of $1,000 for watches they were selling on shop

for $200-$300 about 6 years ago. These MSRP's have come down significantly to under $500 in most

cases. Most people will recall that the SAN Specialty QUARTZ had a MSRP of $2,900 when they first

came out and now they have that MSRP listed for around $1,100 or lower, depending on the model.

Finally, Shop will let Invicta or any other company list MSRP's ONLY after the "suits" and legal team

Okay it, so in essence if Invicta is allowed to list those prices, it is not their fault as the "top men" have

put their stamp of approval on them. And YES, you can and I have seen many of Invicta's higher end

models go for those listed retail prices in outlets like Tourneau.

The whole MSRP thing is only silly to us because we know better. There is still a degree of responsibility

the consumer bares to do their own research on what is reasonable and what isn't. JMO...

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Realistic MSRP's shows integrity, honesty, and isn't an insult to the intelligence of the average

consumer. Not everyone exaggerates, just those with marketing skills/techniques of the baser level.

That's all.

All that aside please understand that I still buy and enjoy Invictas. It's lying I don't appreiciate.

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Marketing Gimmick

The MSRP is a gimmick in this scenario. Invicta has its own MSRP, but I do not know what it is based

upon.

Since the real market nowadays is in flux, it is very difficult to know exactly what the true MSRP is.

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[quote=ChuckBuckner;2106794]Realistic MSRP's shows integrity, honesty, and isn't an insult to the

intelligence of the average consumer. Not everyone exaggerates, just those with marketing

skills/techniques of the baser level. That's all.

Very well put!...

It's the companies that sell based on price, rather than value and quality, that resort to inflating the

MSRP to create perceived value.

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Its a marketing ploy for the totally uneducated. To make it seem like they are getting an incredible deal.

If something sounds too good to be true, it usually is, IMO. We know better and its really not a big deal

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Pointless rant.

Answer: NEVER

Bingo! You got it ... give that man a prize! LOL!

I own many Invictas, mostly Reserves, so I obviously like the brand, but I like it despite all the nonsense

... MSRP's ... "Swiss" this and "Swiss" that ... blah, blah, blah. I buy Invicta watches because the designs

are big, bold, sporty, and reasonably well-made for the price point. I like to wear a different watch every

day, sometimes within the same day ... and having an active lifestyle, I prefer not to trash my higher-

end pieces with daily wear. That's it, that's all. Thanks for reading.

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To be honest I don't even pay attention to that at all. I know many of you do, but the MSRPs don't

impact my purchasing or not purchasing of a watch from Invicta. But that's just me, I personally give

Invicta a ton of slack because I love their watches so much!

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And the Swiss made automatic Dragon Subaqua Noma IV they sold today had a MSRP of $945.00, which

is $55 less. As mentioned it's meaningless marketing spin. Before they can state a MSRP of $1000, they

should a customer who paid this much in retail.

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It's one of the ways Invicta could improve its brand image, which they seem uninterested in doing. I

guess we can't fault 'em, they sell watches by the boatload with these tactics. And inflating MSRPs is

certainly not something exclusive to Invicta. But inflating them by 1,000% is unique to Invicta, I think

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It's just not stating these high MSRP on SNBC and the SR, you go to any Tourneau watch store that sells

Invicta and many of these high MSRP are indeed listed. How many they sell at these prices is another

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It's just not stating these high MSRP on SNBC and the SR, you go to any Tourneau watch store that

sells Invicta and many of these high MSRP are indeed listed. How many they sell at these prices is an

other story.

The answer is for the higher end Invicta line, 7750/51's, etc. they sell quite a few. They can hardly put

an MSRP of $3,500 for a 7751 SAN Specialty and then sell it for what Shop does. In this scenario, they

will give the typical 20-25%, but there is a market out there of folks who have a boat load of money

and if they like it, they buy it irrespective of cost. That goes as well with the Vegas watch stores where

people are so intoxicated with their winnings that they cave in to paying top dollar. Again, some don't

care and don't need to care and others are just ignorant and have not done their research.

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It does not make sense to put an MSRP of $1,000 on the Pro Scuba and Elite XL and then have an MSRP

of $945 on a San IV Dragon automatic and $785 on a SAS. The MSRP should at least be in relation to the

quality of watch across the whole line.

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i dont pay attention to that anymore,,,,,,,,,whats the price,,,,thats all i want

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Hmmm, Maybe it should be against the law.

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Is this a rule?

Is it against the Law to post the MSRP?

If one is insulted, then maybe some thicker skin should be applied.

I am not offended when the MSRP on a vehicle says $65K. I know what I am willing to pay. I dont see

the issue here to be honest with you!

The issue is that if the Cadillac's MSRP is $65K and the Malibu's MSRP is $63K, And they'll sell you the

Cadillac for $60K, and the Malibu for $15K...the intelligent person begins to question the true starting

price of either vehicle...which is EXACTLY what Invicta has done. They've destroyed the perceived value

of their watches. Add that issue to the fact that they sell you the Cadillac for $60K, and then next week

they sell one to your neighbor for $38K!! All of this effects the real value of the brand.

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Who cares what they post as the MSRP, anyone who knows the value of any particular watch knows

what it is really worth. It sounds like the guys that are constantly harping about resale value, prestige

brands and so on. If you like the watch and feel it is worth the price, Take it or leave it. You guys aught

to feel lucky you can find such a wide variety of great watches for such reasonable prices with all the

Value Pays available.

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The issue is that if the Cadillac's MSRP is $65K and the Malibu's MSRP is $63K, And they'll sell you the

Cadillac for $60K, and the Malibu for $15K...the intelligent person begins to question the true starting

price of either vehicle...which is EXACTLY what Invicta has done. They've destroyed the perceived value

of their watches. Add that issue to the fact that they sell you the Cadillac for $60K, and then next week

they sell one to your neighbor for $38K!! All of this effects the real value of the brand.

I know this has been beat to death, but once more in the short version...

New cars BY LAW must display an MSRP that is based on reality. It's is a percentage of the actual cost

(invoice) so you KNOW that as long as you pay less than that, then you are doing well. My product

(Modular Homes) are the same way. it IS illegal NOT to display the legitimate MSRP as a consumer

protection guideline.

Now the watch industry is NOT regulated this way. The higher end companies like Rolex and such

regulate themselves, so you don't have to worry about that so much...

Then we have Invicta and companies like them where...

ALL THE RULES GO OUT THE WINDOW! It's a free for all, so if you want a real value, base it on what it

sells for used. Buyer beware!!!

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Ed, "real value" is a personal perception, IMHO. As far as your MSRP argument, you're right, I wonder

what the true price of a Cadillac really comes to, because most car companies are making better money

on the Malibu's and such, and, not on the lux end of the market. Same for Invicta. I'm like most of the

posters; MSRP really doesn't matter to me; if I like it, and the price is right, I'll go for it. Really, you just

need to chill.

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MSRP's are one way Invicta determines how much you pay to have a watch repaired.

http://www.invictawatch.com/invicta/price_list

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The issue is that if the Cadillac's MSRP is $65K and the Malibu's MSRP is $63K, And they'll sell you the

Cadillac for $60K, and the Malibu for $15K...the intelligent person begins to question the true starting

price of either vehicle...which is EXACTLY what Invicta has done. They've destroyed the perceived value

of their watches. Add that issue to the fact that they sell you the Cadillac for $60K, and then next week

they sell one to your neighbor for $38K!! All of this effects the real value of the brand.

Is that any of your business....Really? They do what they do, and if you dont like it dont buy it. But what

is the point of complaining about it, when there isnt a damn thing you can do about it? It is Eyal's

company correct? If it was yours you could run it however you wanted, but it isnt so why ask why?

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Ron-

I put this under "General Invicta Watch Discussions" for a reason. To discuss a point I wanted to make

and a change I'd like to see Eyal make. This site is a forum for discussion. Perhaps you didn't get the

memo.

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The actual and correct title for the original post should be asking when will SNBC quit advertising the

MSRP. Invicta does not require the MSRP to be on the graphics that SNBC shows. They (SNBC) do that.

Not Invicta. They do it for EVERY vendor. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. It is their air time. It is their

graphic. And they are in control of what is shown on there.

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Thanks Michael, I'd never heard that before.

I guess in this case..."Argument DID reveal the truth."

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Ron-

I put this under "General Invicta Watch Discussions" for a reason. To discuss a point I wanted to make

and a change I'd like to see Eyal make. This site is a forum for discussion. Perhaps you didn't get the

memo.

There is a forum that is located right below this one for that. This is the general forum......you know the

one that discusses Invicta watches. Or you could send a letter to Eyal himself, I am sure you can find the

companies address on the Internet. Or I could get it for you if you would like.

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I understand that ShopNBC advertises the MSRP but where do they get the price they use as an MSRP??

I don't think people are having a problem with them advertising an MSRP, it's just the crazy amount of

the MSRP. Is that correct?

Not that it matters, I agree with Ron, who cares. Buy what you like at a price you are willing to pay.

Everyone knows that most watch brands are not good purchases for investment purposes anyway. Just

enjoy what you are buying.

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well go to any jewler or mall that sells invicta it all at mrsp 80% off and it's still way more then we

pay...so yes why not

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Originally Posted by RipitRon

Is that any of your business....Really? They do what they do, and if you dont like it dont buy it. But

what is the point of complaining about it, when there isnt a damn thing you can do about it? It is Eyal's

company correct? If it was yours you could run it however you wanted, but it isnt so why ask why?

Sounds like a double standard. I mean I don't intend to offend you because you are a fellow watch geek

with like interest as myself.

But the double standard comes in where if you aren't interested in this subject, why read and post in

this thread? If it doesn't pertain to your interest?

This is the OP's interest, thus the thread.

You're saying "What's it to you", so the same could be said of you.

I personally think this has been a valuable and PRODUCTIVE thread.

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For sum they tell their significant other what a great deal they found to justify buying their new watch

...

For me I never look at it anyway all I want to see is the drive out price ....

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Yesterday, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChuckBuckner

Sounds like a double standard. I mean I don't intend to offend you because you are a fellow watch

geek with like interest as myself.

But the double standard comes in where if you aren't interested in this subject, why read and post in

this thread? If it doesn't pertain to your interest?

This is the OP's interest, thus the thread.

You're saying "What's it to you", so the same could be said of you.

I personally think this has been a valuable and PRODUCTIVE thread.

Well it is now, being it has been derailed anyways.

I dont have a problem with the Topic, other then it has been beat to death 100 times. There is a

location for such a thread, and it isnt here. It is actually directed at Invicta, and there is a location for

that. It is like the same song different verse, I have heard this complaint a million times and it always

ends the same damn way. In the end 99% of the people dont CARE!!!

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Yesterday, 10:58 PM

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I don't consider the MSRP when making purchases. I do, however, use them to convince my wife of

some of the "fantastic deals" I get when buying a new watch. "Look honey, the retail on this thing is

$1995 and I can get it now for $250 but i need to hurry before it goes back up!"

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Originally Posted by ChuckBuckner

Sounds like a double standard. I mean I don't intend to offend you because you are a fellow watch

geek with like interest as myself.

But the double standard comes in where if you aren't interested in this subject, why read and post in

this thread? If it doesn't pertain to your interest?

This is the OP's interest, thus the thread.

You're saying "What's it to you", so the same could be said of you.

I personally think this has been a valuable and PRODUCTIVE thread.

All do respect to you ,but productive would not be a word that I would use to describe this thread.And

it is of no fault of the OP,or anyone that has taking the time to post here on this thread. But In reality

there could be a thousand separate discussions on this very topic and the general point will still be

lost.The possibility for Invicta to sell watches at a much higher price in retail, then what we pay is more

than some members can comprehend.Why such tunnel vision exist here is beyond me.There have been

numerous post from members seeing as an example Invicta SANIII's with a 50% off sale on a MSRP of

$1995.00. The Unicorn syndrome runs too deep here.

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Yesterday, 11:10 PM

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What about where the MSRP changes on the same exact watch? I mean by quite a little bit?

I think it speaks volumes of the integrity of the company. Period.

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Originally Posted by watch_crazzy

I understand that ShopNBC advertises the MSRP but where do they get the price they use as an

MSRP?? I don't think people are having a problem with them advertising an MSRP, it's just the crazy

amount of the MSRP. Is that correct?

I have often seen different MSRPs shown for the same watch at ShopNBC and other watch sites. This

has never made sense to me. Why would a manufacturer of product X give different suggested prices to

different retailers?

I've also noticed that the MSRP for some Invictas is much lower now than when those watches were

introduced. Maybe how long a watch has been available affects what a manufacturer thinks the price

should be.

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Yesterday, 11:18 PM

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this is all a waste of time and space,invicta don't do it shop dose not just invicta and other watch co.but

on tv's and rings maybe you should start a forum on tv's then ask them to stop showing msrp too..thats

how it's done get over it stop *****ing,are you really have nothing to say but to complain about every

little thing you don't like.what store do you go too to buy something thats on sale or mark down THEY

ALWAYS SHOW THE MSRP and the sale price,do you take the tag off and go to the owner and tell them

to stop showing msrp.

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What about where the MSRP changes on the same exact watch? I mean by quite a little bit?

I think it speaks volumes of the integrity of the company. Period.

As Michael Davis has pointed out .Shop NBC puts up the MSRP.I have found the MSRP in retail to be

pretty consistent.The problem is you will see a group of members laugh when a member spots a MSRP

out in retail,and quickly point out the deal on WOW.Then in less than a month those same members will

ask if anyone has ever even seen a MSRP that high out there. How do you deal with that kind of logic.

When I was just a 4 yr old boy,I quickly gave up on thinking that I could teach my dog to talk.There

comes a time when nothing you do or say will penetrate through.You could actually display a video of

folks paying 50% off the MSRP out in retail,and a good majority will think its a trick of some kind,instead

of being grateful of the deals they get.

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Point taken..I could care less about the MSRP on Invicta's or any other TV brand watch out there in

the market today. The price you are willing to pay is the the value of the watch at the time the

transaction is completed. One of the reasons Invicta watches never hold their value is because Invicta

focuses on market share and volume not price consistency. The Omega's and Rolex's of the world

would not be caught dead selling their watches through any merchant at 50 to 75 percent

off...because it would damage their reputation and diminish the overall integrity and value of their

watch lines..This is Invicta's choice..if they put price controls on their watches the imaginary barrier

between suggested retail and actual cost would not exist.

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I really don't pay any attention to the MSRP any more. But one day I was in Bloomingdale in NYC and

the Invicta lefy chrono was selling for $595. I was surprsed because I had just bought one from WOW

for about $100

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I saw a couple of SAN IV's at my local TJMAXX for 500USD. I know that TJMAXX buys their

merchandise from other retailers. What other brick and mortar merchants, big box retailers and or

jewelry stores sell Invictas on a consistent basis, besides Costco and TJMaxx.

Jon

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I saw a couple of SAN IV's at my local TJMAXX for 500USD. I know that TJMAXX buys their

merchandise from other retailers. What other brick and mortar merchants, big box retailers and or

jewelry stores sell Invictas on a consistent basis, besides Costco and TJMaxx.

Jon

JC Penny, Zales Jewelers, Sams Club.

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