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NO. 141 Original

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In The

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

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STATE OF TEXAS

v.

STATE OF NEW MEXICO and

STATE OF COLORADO

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TRANSCRIPT OF AUGUST 28, 2020, REMOTE

STATUS HEARING BEFORE HONORABLE MICHAEL A. MELLOY,

SPECIAL MASTER, UNITED STATES CIRCUIT JUDGE, 111

SEVENTH AVENUE, SE, CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA 52401,

beginning at 11:01 a.m.

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1 R E M O T E A P P E A R A N C E S2

FOR THE STATE OF TEXAS:3

Mr. Stuart L. Somach4 Ms. Theresa C. Barfield

Mr. Robert B. Hoffman5 Mr. Francis Goldsberry II

SOMACH SIMMONS & DUNN6 500 Capitol Mall, Suite 1000

Sacramento, California 958147 (916) 446-7979

[email protected] [email protected]

[email protected] [email protected]

10 -and-11 Ms. Sarah A. Klahn

SOMACH SIMMONS & DUNN12 2701 Lawrence Street, Suite 113

Denver, Colorado 8020513 (720) 279-7868

[email protected]

-and-15

Ms. Priscilla M. Hubenak16 STATE OF TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE

Post Office Box 1254817 Austin, Texas 78711

(512) 463-201218 [email protected]

FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO:20

Mr. Jeffrey Wechsler21 MONTGOMERY & ANDREWS

325 Paseo De Peralta22 Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501

(505) 986-263723 [email protected] -and-25


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1 Ms. Lisa M. Thompson Mr. Michael A. Kopp

2 TROUT RALEY 1120 Lincoln Street, Suite 1600

3 Denver, Colorado 80203 (303) 861-1963

4 [email protected] [email protected]

5 -and-

6 Mr. Marcus J. Rael, Jr.

7 Mr. Luis Robles ROBLES, RAEL & ANAYA, P.C.

8 500 Marquette Avenue NW, Suite 700 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87102

9 (505) 242-2228 [email protected]

10 [email protected] -and-12 Mr. John Draper

DRAPER & DRAPER, LLC13 325 Paseo De Peralta

Santa Fe, New Mexico 8750114 (505) 570-4591

[email protected]

-and-16

Ms. Cholla Khoury17 NEW MEXICO ATTORNEY GENERAL'S OFFICE

Post Office Drawer 150818 Santa Fe, New Mexico 87501


FOR THE STATE OF COLORADO:21

Mr. Chad Wallace22 COLORADO DEPARTMENT OF LAW

1300 Broadway, 7th Floor23 Denver, Colorado 80203



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1 FOR THE UNITED STATES:2 Mr. James J. Dubois

Mr. R. Lee Leininger3 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

999 18th Street, Suite 3704 Denver, Colorado 80202


[email protected]

-and-7

Ms. Shelly Randel8 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR

1849 C Street NW9 Washington, DC 20240

(202) 208-543210 [email protected] -and-12 Mr. Christopher B. Rich

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR13 125 South State Street, Suite 6201

Salt Lake City, Utah 8413814 (801) 524-567715

FOR THE EL PASO COUNTY WATER AND IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT16 NO. 1:17 Ms. Maria O'Brien

MODRALL SPERLING ROEHL HARRIS & SISK, P.A.18 500 Fourth Street N.W.

Albuquerque, New Mexico 8710319 (505) 848-1800

[email protected]

-and-21

Mr. Renea Hicks22 LAW OFFICE OF MAX RENEA HICKS

Post Office Box 30318723 Austin, Texas 78703



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1 FOR THE ELEPHANT BUTTE IRRIGATION DISTRICT:2 Ms. Samantha R. Barncastle

BARNCASTLE LAW FIRM, LLC3 1100 South Main, Suite 20

Las Cruces, New Mexico 880054 (575) 636-2377

[email protected] FOR THE ALBUQUERQUE BERNALILLO COUNTY WATER UTILITY

AUTHORITY:7

Mr. James C. Brockmann8 STEIN & BROCKMANN, P.A.

Post Office Box 20679 Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504


FOR THE CITY OF EL PASO:12

Mr. Douglas G. Caroom13 BICKERSTAFF HEATH DELGADO ACOSTA, LLP

3711 S. MoPac Expressway Building One, Suite 30014 Austin, Texas 78746


FOR THE CITY OF LAS CRUCES:17

Mr. Jay F. Stein18 STEIN & BROCKMAN, P.A.




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1 FOR THE NEW MEXICO PECAN GROWERS:2 Ms. Tessa T. Davidson

DAVIDSON LAW FIRM, LLC3 4206 Corrales Road

Post Office Box 22404 Corrales, New Mexico 87048


FOR THE NEW MEXICO STATE UNIVERSITY:7

Mr. John W. Utton8 UTTON & KERY, P.A.



COURT REPORTER:12

Ms. Heather L. Garza13 WORLDWIDE COURT REPORTERS

3000 Weslayan Street, Suite 23514 Houston, Texas 77027



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1 JUDGE MELLOY: For the record, this is

2 in United States Supreme Court Original No. 141, Texas

3 versus New Mexico, Colorado, and the United States.

4 Let me start by asking the parties to enter their

5 appearance. Mr. Somach, do you want to start for

6 Texas?

7 MR. SOMACH: Yes, Your Honor. This is

8 Stuart Somach, counsel of record for the State of

9 Texas. With me from my firm is Robert Hoffman,

10 Francis Goldsberry, Sarah Klahn, Theresa Barfield, and

11 from the Texas Attorney General's Office, Priscilla

12 Hubenak, and the engineer advisor for Texas, Suzy

13 Valentine.

14 JUDGE MELLOY: All right. And

15 Mr. Wechsler, do you want to speak for New Mexico?

16 MR. WECHSLER: Good morning, Your Honor.

17 Jeff Wechsler from Montgomery & Andrews for the State

18 of New Mexico. With us today are Cholla Khoury, the

19 assistant attorney general, Marcus Rael, Luis Robles,

20 and Susan Barela from Robles, Rael, and Anaya, Lisa

21 Thompson and Michael Kopp from Trout Raley, John

22 Draper from Draper & Draper. We are joined by the

23 state engineer from the State of New Mexico and the

24 Compact commissioner, John D'Antonio, Greg Ridgley,

25 the general counsel for the Office of the State


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1 Engineer, Arianne Singer, the general counsel for the

2 Interstate Stream Commission for New Mexico, and

3 Shelly Dalrymple, also with the Interstate Stream

4 Commission.

5 JUDGE MELLOY: Okay. And for the State

6 of Colorado?

7 MR. WALLACE: Good morning, Your Honor.

8 This is Chad Wallace for the State of Colorado.

9 JUDGE MELLOY: You're all by yourself.

10 United States?

11 MR. DUBOIS: Good morning, Your Honor.

12 James Dubois for the United States. Also on the

13 phone, Lee Leininger from Department of Justice and

14 Shelly Randel and Chris Rich from the Interior Office

15 of the Solicitor.

16 JUDGE MELLOY: All right. Okay. The

17 Albuquerque-Bernalillo County Water Utility Authority?

18 MR. BROCKMANN: Good morning, Your

19 Honor. It's Jim Brockmann on behalf of the Water

20 Authority.

21 JUDGE MELLOY: City of El Paso?

22 MR. CAROOM: Good morning, Your Honor.

23 Doug Caroom for the City of El Paso.

24 JUDGE MELLOY: City of Las Cruces?

25 MR. STEIN: Good morning, Your Honor.


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1 This is Jay Stein for the amicus City of Las Cruces.

2 JUDGE MELLOY: El Paso County Water

3 Improvement District No. 1?

4 MS. O'BRIEN: Good morning, Your Honor.

5 Maria O'Brien for El Paso County Water Improvement

6 District No. 1. Counsel Renea Hicks is also on, and

7 we also have listening in Dr. Al Blair, Jesus Reyes,

8 the general manager, and Art Ivey, the vice president

9 of the board of directors for the district.

10 JUDGE MELLOY: Okay. Elephant Butte

11 Irrigation District?

12 MS. BARNCASTLE: Good morning, Your

13 Honor. Samantha Barncastle for the Elephant Butte

14 Irrigation District.

15 JUDGE MELLOY: Hudspeth County

16 Conservation Reclamation District No. 1? Anybody on?

17 Mr. Miller is not on, I assume?

18 (No response.)

19 JUDGE MELLOY: All right. New Mexico

20 pecan growers?

21 MS. DAVIDSON: Good morning, Your Honor.

22 Tessa Davidson on behalf of New Mexico pecan growers.

23 JUDGE MELLOY: New Mexico State

24 University?

25 MR. UTTON: Good morning, Your Honor.


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1 This is John Utton on behalf of NMSU.

2 JUDGE MELLOY: All right. Anyone I

3 missed?

4 (No response.)

5 JUDGE MELLOY: All right. Let's

6 proceed. We don't have a huge agenda today unless the

7 parties have something they -- they need to address.

8 I guess, let me just start by asking, we're a couple

9 days short of end of the discovery with exception of

10 those -- of the issues that were raised at the last

11 hearing involving the United States and New Mexico

12 over the border commission, but aside from that, is

13 there any other discovery disputes at this point that

14 anybody anticipates bringing before the Special Master

15 or are you pretty much ready to switch into

16 dispositive motion mode at this point?

17 MR. DUBOIS: Your Honor, this is Jim

18 Dubois for the United States. There are a couple of

19 depositions that I think have been all worked out to

20 trickle into September because we've kind of run out

21 of time on things. I believe we've got agreement on

22 all of those so I don't expect a controversy, but I

23 just wanted to let you aware -- to be aware that in

24 addition to the IBWC, there are -- I think there are

25 some Texas Environmental Quality and then we have been


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1 negotiating with New Mexico about a 30(b)(6), and I

2 think we're -- I think we've reached a tentative

3 agreement. We don't anticipate there will be a

4 problem, but -- but there will be a couple of

5 depositions that trail into September by agreement.

6 JUDGE MELLOY: All right. Anybody have

7 anything else they want to add about that, Mr. Somach

8 or Mr. Wechsler?

9 MR. SOMACH: No. I think, you know,

10 that Jim covered it. The TCEQ was a 30(b)(6), and the

11 individual was also on a -- the hurricane task force

12 and so wasn't available during the period of time

13 because of -- of work on -- on that effort and so --

14 so that will trail into next week, but I think

15 Mr. Dubois covered the -- covered it all.

16 JUDGE MELLOY: Well, just -- does

17 anybody have anything they want to talk about on

18 discovery? Otherwise, we'll -- I'll move on. Then

19 the other issue is the one I raised about the

20 apportionment. I know Ms. O'Brien still would like

21 that issue resolved earlier rather than later, but

22 everybody else seems to be in agreement that included

23 as part of the dispositive motions as a group, my

24 inclination at this point is to not change anything as

25 far as the briefing schedule is concerned. I'll


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1 certainly take a look at that issue when the briefs

2 are filed and -- and if it's possible to decide that

3 issue early -- early, as I indicated previously, I'll

4 certainly endeavor to do that, but it may be that it's

5 -- it may be so intertwined with all the other issues

6 that they'll all have to be decided together. I just

7 don't know at this point without seeing how the briefs

8 come in and what they look like.

9 Mr. Stein alluded to an issue that I've

10 thought about quite a bit, and we've talked about in

11 my office and that is depending on how the dispositive

12 motions are framed and, I guess, depending upon what

13 the ultimate ruling is, whether or not there's going

14 to be a side trip to the Supreme Court before the

15 trial, I hope not, but, you know, I suppose if -- if

16 -- if I decide that one side is going to have so

17 clearly undisputed that a particular legal proposition

18 or factual and legal proposition is -- is going to

19 enure to the benefit of one party or the other, I

20 certainly would anticipate there may be somebody who

21 wants to ask the Supreme Court to take a look at that

22 before we go into a full-blown trial. That's, I

23 think, obviously a bridge we'll cross when we get to

24 it.

25 Anybody want to be heard on any of those


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1 issues? Otherwise, this is going to be a pretty short

2 hearing. I don't want to waste everybody's time. Is

3 there anything that needs -- needs to be brought up?

4 MR. SOMACH: I did actually -- I hadn't

5 thought about it until I started seeing letters coming

6 in, and I agree with Mr. Stein in the letter that the

7 New Mexico amici raised that, I mean, after all the

8 dispositive motion will dispose of what might be a

9 very significant issue, and that my assumption would

10 be at a certain point in time, if there were rulings

11 that -- that affected the trial and what people could

12 put on, that those would be bundled together in some

13 report in some way, shape, or form. That was another

14 reason why I thought that -- that briefing that issue

15 separately wouldn't get us very far in terms of

16 everything, but I'll -- I'll tell you, the issue I --

17 my assumption has been that it'll be the parties that

18 file dispositive motions. This is a little stranger

19 case than I've ever experienced before. You know, I

20 would -- I would assume that dispositive motions will

21 be filed by parties and amici, depending upon what

22 those motions say, will participate in terms of frames

23 of the court briefs to the Court. In order to

24 understand, since we're getting into this and October

25 15th is right around the corner in reality, I want to


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1 make sure my understanding that it would be the

2 parties filing dispositive motions and not everybody

3 that's participating in some way, shape, or form in

4 the trial so far in the case before.

5 JUDGE MELLOY: Well, let me ask the

6 amici. Does any of the amici disagree with that and

7 believe that they want to file their own dispositive

8 motions? As I understand what you're saying,

9 Mr. Somach, just so we're clear, the amici would be

10 allowed to respond to the motion that you or New

11 Mexico, the United States or Colorado might file, but

12 they would not be filing their own motion that you

13 would have to respond to?

14 MR. SOMACH: Right.

15 JUDGE MELLOY: May file a reply to their

16 motion, but you wouldn't be responding to their

17 motion.

18 MR. SOMACH: Right. Right. That's

19 exactly right. I just know we've got four parties,

20 presumably at least three parties will -- will file

21 dispositive motions, perhaps Colorado, and I just want

22 to make sure I knew what -- what to expect come

23 October 15th.

24 MR. BROCKMANN: Your Honor, this is Jim

25 Brockmann. The water authority is one of the amici


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1 that joined in -- in the letter that you refer to as

2 being the one from Mr. Stein. I did want to make

3 clear that for the water authority at least, we

4 anticipate that we would participate as amici as we

5 have in the past, which is with briefs in support or

6 in opposition to one of the parties, not that we would

7 file motions on our own behalf. I think that's been

8 the more traditional role of amici in the original

9 action is not to file their own motion, but to file

10 support or opposition on behalf of a party with which

11 they agree on an issue and we anticipate that here.

12 In terms of the issue of the potential apportionment

13 issue or anything else going up, I -- I believe that

14 just is going to play out as the case goes on. If

15 there's an early ruling from you that could really

16 affect the -- the disposition of the case, an early

17 apportionment issue, I can understand where a party

18 might say the whole case flows from here, and it's

19 important to -- to have that resolved by the Court if

20 there is a sharp dispute. If everything gets packaged

21 together as -- as a file, after resolution at trial, I

22 think then that's going to be probably a single

23 report. We were just trying to -- to point out maybe

24 that some of the concerns of trying to start

25 segmenting too much of the case. So that's -- that's


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1 all we've got to say on those particular issues, the

2 water authority has to say.

3 JUDGE MELLOY: As I said earlier, I've

4 been giving that some thought, that depending on how

5 the dispositive motions play out, if -- if it ends up

6 that I feel I could rule in a manner that is going to

7 really substantially impact the case and how it's --

8 how the trial is presented, I've always thought that

9 it's very possible that one party or the other may ask

10 -- want to -- or I may decide I want the Supreme Court

11 to take a look at that before we spend potentially

12 weeks of -- of evidence on -- on an assumption that

13 ultimately turns out to be incorrect so --

14 MR. UTTON: Your Honor --

15 MS. O'BRIEN: Your Honor --

16 MR. UTTON: Sorry, Your Honor. This is

17 John Utton. I just want to quickly confirm our

18 understanding of how the briefing would proceed, as

19 Mr. Somach and Mr. Brockmann described it. We would

20 expect to be responding in an amici capacity.

21 JUDGE MELLOY: Okay. Ms. O'Brien?

22 MS. O'BRIEN: Yes, Your Honor. As

23 Mr. Somach himself acknowledged, this case is -- has

24 some very unique aspects, and in the context of

25 dispositive briefing, El Paso County Water Improvement


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1 District No. 1 on some discrete issues that directly

2 affect it, we had intended -- do intend to file a

3 brief and, you know, the reason being we have all

4 acknowledged and Your Honor has acknowledged from the

5 commencement of this case that the Rio Grande Project

6 of which EP No. 1 is one of two beneficiaries, is

7 integral and integrally intertwined with -- with the

8 Compact, and we feel that on some discrete issues,

9 that it is appropriate for us to file a -- a brief as

10 part of our participation in the case and in -- in the

11 briefing presented by the other parties.

12 JUDGE MELLOY: Do you have -- do you

13 believe you have to file anything beyond a response to

14 -- to another party? I mean, presumably Texas is

15 going to present its interpretation of the contract.

16 New Mexico -- or Compact. New Mexico will present its

17 interpretation. United States may have a third view

18 of it. It seems to me there will be plenty of

19 opportunity for you to respond in either disagreement

20 or agreement with any of those views.

21 MS. O'BRIEN: Yes, Your Honor, I -- I

22 understand that point. But I do believe that we are

23 uniquely situated such that we do have a view that --

24 that may -- yes, may overlap with views of the

25 parties, but in terms of our vantage point and


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1 articulation, I believe that it would be best if we

2 were provided the opportunity to file initial briefs

3 and not just re -- respond to -- to the other parties.

4 As you can see, we do have somewhat of a disagreement

5 procedurally I would say at this point with -- with

6 the other parties. While we certainly, you know,

7 understand the desire and articulation to keep the

8 briefing schedule as-is, and we certainly agree with

9 what Your Honor has stated and the parties have

10 stated, that the briefing itself, I think, will assist

11 Your Honor as well as the parties and amici in

12 determining what the next steps in the case will be.

13 I think it will become clearer that, in fact, this

14 threshold issue of what our entitlements below

15 Elephant Butte will become clearer, but, you know,

16 again, going back to really procedural question, we

17 believe, we being El Paso County Water Improvement

18 District No. 1 believes we should be afforded the

19 opportunity on -- certainly on the issue of

20 entitlements below Elephant Butte to file a brief on

21 its own behalf. We don't -- we don't think that is

22 anything out of the ordinary in the context of the

23 particular issues in this case, as well as an original

24 action, and we're -- Your Honor has a fair amount of

25 discretion or a lot of discretion to determine the


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1 best way to get all the issues out for both Your Honor

2 and the parties.

3 JUDGE MELLOY: Would you and Ms.

4 Barncastle be anticipating you would file -- are you

5 -- are you two on the same page, let me put it that

6 way, as far as your position in my briefing?

7 MS. BARNCASTLE: Your Honor, this is

8 Samantha Barncastle for the Elephant Butte Irrigation

9 District, and I am still in the process of evaluating

10 whether the dispositive motions that will be filed

11 will seek the proper relief that will adequately cover

12 what EBID believes needs to be covered. So it's not

13 necessarily just a matter of whether the issues will

14 be generally raised sufficient to allow us to file a

15 response brief, but also whether the relief requested

16 in those briefs and those motions will adequately

17 cover what EBID believes needs to be covered to

18 protect EBID and so I am still, like Ms. O'Brien,

19 considering the possibility and the necessity of

20 filing my own dispositive motion on some discrete

21 issues that affect EBID.

22 JUDGE MELLOY: Well, let me say this:

23 We're going to have probably three parties filing

24 briefs. I assume Colorado probably won't, but

25 potentially four, but likely three. If I would --


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1 what I would request is that Ms. Barncastle, Ms.

2 O'Brien confer with counsel to see if the issues that

3 they are concerned about are going to be raised in the

4 briefing and the relief that they're seeking can be

5 adjudicated through either the brief summary or the

6 motion someone else is filing or through a response.

7 If you feel it cannot and you need to file a brief or

8 motion on a specific discrete issue, I'm going to

9 direct that you seek leave to file and indicate what

10 you're going to file and -- and why you think you need

11 to file a separate motion. And I'll -- I'll -- I'll

12 say that for any of you. But -- but at this point,

13 the amici do not have leave to file briefs without --

14 without filing a motion and getting an order from the

15 Court to that effect. Any question about that? I'll

16 put that in the order.

17 All right. Anything else we need to

18 talk about?

19 MR. SOMACH: Your Honor, we don't need

20 to talk about this, but I was curious on when the

21 parties were putting together the letter, we were

22 aware of the storms in Iowa and where you were and

23 were curious about whether you had, so to speak,

24 weathered the storm.

25 JUDGE MELLOY: I weathered the storm.


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1 Thank you very much. It was -- it was like a mini

2 hurricane. It was a hundred mile an hour winds for

3 about 30 minutes, anywhere from 50 to 60 percent of

4 the trees in Cedar Rapids have been destroyed. My

5 house sustained fairly minimal damage. I had some

6 lattice work around an exposed part of the underside

7 of one of my house, part of my house, that blew out

8 and the light post, the top was blown off, but -- but

9 we have a wooded area behind our house. We lost about

10 20 trees and so that's the biggest. But -- but I'm

11 very lucky in that none of them fell on my house,

12 unlike a lot of people. My neighbor right behind me,

13 I was talking to him yesterday, and he -- he's already

14 up to over $70,000 in damage on his insurance claim

15 because he had two trees fall into his house, and

16 between repairing the roof and the decking and the new

17 roof and the removing the trees and -- and maybe even

18 having to replace trusses, he said he's at at least 70

19 ,00, but it was pretty unbelievable. But we're

20 getting through it. Thank you for asking.

21 MR. SOMACH: We're glad you're safe.

22 JUDGE MELLOY: Thank you. I was home

23 watching it at the time. We were in our basement. So

24 thank you very much. I appreciate that.

25 I do have a quick -- somewhat off


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1 subject a little bit. Has -- has anybody heard

2 anything from the -- all of a sudden I'm drawing a

3 blank -- other potential intervenors, the -- Dr. --

4 what's -- all of a sudden I'm drawing a blank on the

5 name. From the -- ones from the 19 -- early 1900s.

6 MS. DAVIDSON: Boyd Estate.

7 JUDGE MELLOY: Anyone hear anything from

8 Boyd Estate?

9 MS. BARNCASTLE: Your Honor, this is

10 Samantha Barncastle from EBID. Mr. Boyd regularly

11 harasses my general manager, Gary Esslinger, and

12 occasionally sends me harassing e-mails, but I haven't

13 heard from him in a little over a month or two now.

14 JUDGE MELLOY: Well, good, good. Well,

15 I think I've disclosed some parties. He did call. I

16 didn't talk to him, but my -- he did call and harangue

17 my judicial assistant about -- about the decision, but

18 that goes with the territory.

19 All right. Well, if there's nothing

20 further -- let me just say this. I don't want to take

21 up people's time so unless there's a need for a

22 hearing, I'm not going to schedule one right now.

23 Maybe if -- if something comes up in a few weeks, we

24 may do one towards the end of September, but I don't

25 see -- I assume at this point you're all going to be


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1 working very hard to get your dispositive motions

2 together so I don't see any need to waste anybody's

3 time by -- by hearings like this.

4 MR. WALLACE: Your Honor, in light of

5 that, would you like us to start filing status reports

6 beginning in October?

7 JUDGE MELLOY: Yes, please. Although if

8 all the status report says is you're working -- no,

9 actually, no I don't. I assume the status report will

10 just say you're working on your motion for summary

11 judgment.

12 MR. WALLACE: That's probably true.

13 JUDGE MELLOY: So -- so unless there's

14 something -- unless there's something that comes up,

15 no, you don't need to file a status report to tell me

16 you're working on motions. Well, there's nothing any

17 -- anything else, thank you, everyone.

18 (The proceedings adjourned at 11:25

19 a.m.)

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