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The DAILY WORK TELESEMINAR

Volume III

Gregg Braden– March 23, 2009

The Daily Work Teleseminar – March 23, 2009: Gregg Braden

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Jennifer McLean – Healing Release, www.healingrelease.com

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Jennifer: New York Times bestselling author Gregg Braden is internationally renowned as a pioneer in bridging science and spirituality. Following a very successful career as a computer geologist for Phillips Petroleum during the 1970s energy crisis he became a senior computer systems designer for Martin Marietta Defense Systems during the last year of the cold war. In 1991 he was appointed the first technical operations manager for Cisco Systems where he led the development of the global support team that assures the reliability of today’s internet.

So for more than 20 years Gregg has searched high mountain village, remote monasteries and forgotten texts to uncover their timeless secrets. Today his work has led such paradigm-shattering books as The Isaiah Effect, The God Code, The Divine Matrix and The Spontaneous Healing of Belief which was released last year. It’s about shattering the paradigm of false limits. Gregg’s work is now published in 17 languages in 27 countries and shows us beyond any reasonable doubt that the key to our future lies in the wisdom of our past.

He continues that with his new book In Fractal Time: The Secret of 2012 and A New World Age. Very exciting title. Very interesting to many. And Gregg told me yesterday that it looks like he’s going to be on the New York Times bestseller list by next week which is very exciting because it also shows I think the global interest in this topic. So Gregg merges the modern discovery of nature’s patterns, fractals with the ancient view of cyclic universe, the result of the powerful model of time, fractal time and a realistic window into what we can expect from our lives and for the world as we approach 2012, the end of the current world age and beyond.

We have the opportunity to choose our future. Can we create a new epoch of peace, cooperation and healing is definitely the question that we’ll be exploring tonight. So Gregg, thank you once again for joining us on Healing WithThe Masters. We are delighted to have you back again. Last year’s call was the last of the sessions and it was probably one of the most powerful. It’s like we created a little moment of coherence on that call I think.

Gregg: Jennifer, first I am absolutely thrilled to be on this program tonight. I just want to thank you for inviting me back. I was on last fall and it seems like it’s only been a few months. But we’ve got a whole new book and a lot of new material to cover. So I want to thank you first just for being such a gracious host because our time is going to go quickly and I may not get to do it at the end. And then I want to thank you for your dedication in all the work that it takes to put this kind of a




program together, your vision that had to happen before that. And I want to thank every single person that’s on this call tonight. I want to let you know how much I love you and I love all that you’ve done in your world and your lives to bring us to the point where we are on this planet today.

And these calls are so important because this is where change begins. It takes five to eight years for new ideas to trickle down through our textbooks into the classrooms and become accepted broadly in academia. And the kinds of change we’re talking about right now is happening so quickly, five to eight years later it’s all over. So we have this rare, precious, beautiful opportunity of a little over an hour together tonight to cut right to the bottom of a lot of myths, a lot of misunderstandings about our time in history, great cycles of time, and the opportunities that are available to every one of us to literally cast a vote of consciousness in terms of where we’re going and how this time in history, this rare pivotal moment that we’re all feeling right now in our lives, how this turns out. Because every one of the ancient traditions says we’re writing the ending of this chapter in our history while we’re being given the challenges and nobody knows how it’s going to come out. We’re choosing it. So Jennifer I want to thank you and say those things as we go into our program tonight.

Jennifer: Wow. Thank you so much. You’re so gracious as always. And I do want to mention that you mentioned to me yesterday that one of the audios of your book seem to be selling equally if not better than the book itself. And I would like to point out to everyone so that they’re kind of holding this consciousness a little bit, I believe that Gregg has a very healing energy in his aura and in how he presents things. And in particular that comes out in his voice. So I was just kind of getting the audience to kind of open their hearts a little bit and open their ears to allow the energy of Gregg’s voice and vision to enter you. So kind of just enter a bit of a meditative state. Take a nice deep breath everyone and open yourself to this information because it’s really wonderful and profound. So let’s get started, shall we?

Gregg: Absolutely. I’m going to follow your lead. And we can go anywhere you choose to go for this next hour.

Jennifer: Well, let’s go with 2012. What is 2012 all about/

Gregg: Wow. This is fascinating for me. I was actually working as a senior computer software designer during the last years of the Cold War in Denver Colorado where it’s snowing right this minute in the mid 1980’s when someone asked me that question Jennifer. They asked me what I thought about 2012. And I’ve got to be absolutely honest I had no clue what 2012 is. It was a year I thought. And I said what’s the big deal about 2012. And they said it’s a special mystical year. And I thought why not a really cool even round number like 2000 or 2020 maybe. Why 2012. And of course back in the 80’s 2012 seemed like a lifetime into the future.




And I began a journey to understand what that date meant to me. And I quickly understood and discovered that the only way that date was going to make any sense was if I began to understand huge cycles of time and how earth’s relationship to other heavenly bodies changes within those cycles of time and how those changes bring profound changes to the physical reality of planet earth and the people that are living during those periods of time. It’s a journey that continues. It has been 22 years in the making. The book Fractal Time: The Secret of 2012 and The New World Age, what I knew as of the time that this book was being written in 2007 and 2008. And it all centers around our relationship to these powerful bodies of energy in the heavens and how we go through these cyclic changes in our lives.

So what came very quickly, the bottom line for me is that I discovered that earth does go through cyclic changes. And each time the cycles occurred, Jennifer, the conditions for each new cycle are very similar, not identical, but they’re similar to the conditions that have already happened in the past. And what that told me was that whatever is going to happen on this 2012 date, the mystical end date of the last cycle of the Mayan calendar, whatever is going to happen on that date or in that zone of time, maybe not on that specific day, to some degree has already happened in the past. And if we know how to read the cycles of time, if we know how to look in the past we can give ourselves some really concrete ideas, factual ideas based in factual discoveries of what we can expect. Because for many people, and as I travel the world I’m finding this, and I’m sure a lot of our listeners are finding the same thing. I think to a large extent we’re speaking to the choir tonight. I’m going to call all of us on this call the choir because we talk about this stuff all the time. But what I’m finding is as I travel the world there are a lot of people that don’t talk about this stuff all the time.

And the first insight that they’re having into the mystery of 2012 is coming through the very frightening documentaries that are being carried on the cable channels. And if they miss those there is a Hollywood full length motion picture complete with very frightening special effects that’s going to be released toward the end of 2009 simply titled 2012. And all of these very frightening images are portraying, literally portraying the end of the world as we know it now. And there are survival groups throughout the world in North America, in Europe, in Australia, that have already gone into bunkers and taken provisions because they believe we are so close to what they have perceived and interpreted as the end of the world.

So in the 80’s when I would ask people, I would say what does this date mean to you, for every person I asked I got different ideas. Some people told me it’s the end of the world and other people literally said it’s the beginning of a thousand years of peace and they couldn’t wait for it to get here. I knew it probably was going to be both so my man brain wanted to know which is it? How could I make sense of what was happening? And that has led me on a journey to what we will




be discussing tonight. So I would like to begin. Could I share just three discoveries that modern science has made in the last few years that link us into the ancient wisdom and the traditions of this date. Are you okay if we talk about that first?

Jennifer: Yes, please. Go for it.

Gregg: Well, one of the things I found quickly was that almost universally ancient texts and traditions have always talked about our time in history. History points now. They say something big is going to happen. But those traditions generally live close to the earth. They are not technological traditions. So they left clues and signs in terms of how we would know when this pivotal point was arriving. They left those clues in terms of signs of nature. So for example when a white buffalo is born on the plains of North America or when the seasons change and you can’t grow corn in Nebraska in the middle of August anymore or a blue star appears in the sky. Those are very cool signs and they’re meaningful but to a scientist it makes him crazy because you can do anything definitive with such a generalized sign. They’re open to speculation.

We quickly found that the Mayans however, the ancient Mayans were the only civilization that we know of so far, there could be others, we have not found those yet to the best of my knowledge, that developed a system of timekeeping that was so accurate and it is based in numbers that link to verifiable phenomenon. The numbers link to things that we can confirm in the heavens. Alignments between planets and star systems, the solstice, the winter solstice of December 21, 2012 for example that marks the end of this great cycle that we’re experiencing right now. The Mayans used these numbers and they were more precise than anything we developed until the 20th century with computers and satellites. Now we could probably do a whole program, Jennifer, at some point about how did they know. Who were they? Where did they come from? Where did they get that information? But it’s another topic.

But they left a legacy to us. And they began a countdown. And the countdown shows that we are living a moment in time that only five generations in recorded human history have ever experienced, only five generations. And the last human that walked the earth and experienced what we are about to experience now with this great cycle lived 1700 years before the Biblical exodus from Egypt. That’s how long ago it was before this has happened. And this is important to know because it means probably no one living today has a direct memory of the last time we went through this cycle. Probably. I don’t think there are any 5,000-year old people out there. There could be.

Jennifer: You never know.

Gregg: You never know. I’m on a 200-year plan so that’s only as far as I’m looking right now. So what we now know is that we are living the close of a rare cycle that is




marked by verifiable phenomenon. This cycle began in 3114 BC. It ends with the winter solstice on December 21 of 2012 AD. It’s a cycle that’s 5,125 years long. This cycle is the fifth of five such cycles that make an even bigger cycle that’s about 26,000 years long called the precession of the equinoxes. And this 26,000-year cycle is the cycle that describes a wobble that earth does in the heavens, a long slow wobble from one side to another. And as earth wobbles over this 26,000-year period what happens is if you’re sitting here on planet earth and you’re looking at the stars, the scenery changes over that 26,000 years because earth’s tilt, earth wobble is changing.

So somehow the Mayans knew this. They knew that we were at the end of not only a 5,000-year cycle but that we were at the last of five of those cycles. So we are about to live this rare moment of both the close of a 5,000 as well as the close of a 26,000-year cycle. So when I began to understand that my question was the same – what’s the big deal? Why is that important?

And this is where these discoveries that I mentioned come in. Because modern science in the last few years has confirmed what the ancients were telling us in non-scientific language. Number one is that there is a powerful source of energy at the very center, at the core, at the hub of our Milky Way galaxy. A powerful source of magnetic energy. Some ancient traditions called this the great central sun. And that that source of energy has a powerful influence on life on planet earth. That’s the first discovery. Maybe that to us intuitively we say yes, we’ve always known that. But this is modern science in peer reviewed journals confirming. That’s discovery number one. A source of energy that influences earth. Number two is that the effects of that energy change on a cyclic basis over a long period of time. And that’s a big discovery for modern science. And number three, that those cycles can be measured and calculated and predicted.

And those three discoveries give new meaning to what our ancestors were saying to us. And it makes total sense. When we are at one point in our orbit in the Milky Way around this source of energy we’re further away and the wobble tilts us away from this energy source so it affects us less. Where we are right now is that we are relatively closer. We’re tilting toward the energy source. And December 21 of the year 2012 marks the point in the tilt where we are in the direct alignment, we’ve got a straight shot, unimpeded access to the energy, the magnetic fields of energy that are coming from that source to planet earth. In the past what we know is geologically that this field of energy has brought big changes on the earth. But they don’t happen in a day because we’re talking about these huge systems. We’re talking about solar systems and galaxies and planets. And as they come into that alignment it doesn’t happen at a day. It happens over longer periods of time.

And the reason I’m saying this is because we are already well into the 2012 zone of change and we’re already experiencing some of the most profound changes




and the frightening ones that the prophecies and the predictions have always talked about. So rather than waiting for those things and fearing them coming three years from now, this is now 2009, what we know is that we’re already living some of the major magnitude earthquakes and more of them than we’ve ever seen in recorded history. And we’re already living the tsunamis that are wiping entire cities off of the shorelines and super storms that are taking cities and villages from the coasts. We’re already living multiple raging fires that we cannot control on different continents at the same time. We’re already living millions of people dying from a disease that we have no cure for. We’re already living the changes in the weather patterns that prevent us from growing food the way we used to. And we all know that’s not the only thing that’s happening. Sure, all these things are happening but there’s a lot of really good things happening on our planet right now.

So rather than focus on all the frightening things that we’re told are going to happen, to me it helps if we bear in mind that we’re already seeing many of those things now. But before the end of this call tonight I’m going to share yet two more discoveries that tell each of us how we are directly linked to the field of energy that regulates the conditions of life on earth. And we’re linked in a way that allows us to do something inside of our hearts that literally helps to smooth the chaos of this field of energy. And the only way that we can accomplish this is by working together. That’s where we’re going to go as we go through our program tonight.

So that was a long answer to a short question and a lot of material. But I want to do it early so we can tie into that now.

Jennifer: No, thank you. That’s a good foundation for us. So I know that that’s kind of the infrastructure in a way of what we’re experiencing. That we’re having kind of an astrological celestial event that’s part of a 26,000-year cycle of five 5,125 year-long processes.

Gregg: Wow, you were taking notes. You’re really good.

Jennifer: So for those in the past who have experienced these cycles, what have they shown us? And how have they kind of dealt with them and overcome them? And what mistakes have they made and what can we learn from them?

Gregg: Jennifer, you are so good, you could not have asked a better question. And for me this is the reason I wrote the book. It’s the reason I’m so passionate about what we’re sharing. And it’s the reason that it makes any sense to know this at all. It doesn’t do any good to know about the cycles if you can’t do anything about them.

Jennifer: Yes. You know, at this stage, we had Steven Lewis on on Tuesday and he’s talking about this in a slightly different way. He is measuring life force and he is




seeing a decrease in the life force of individuals almost globally. And there is some fear going on around this. So I know that there is more here than just fear. So yes, let’s learn from what others have done and what can we do to maybe avoid the same consequences.

Gregg: This is the deal for me. Again my man brain needs facts.

Jennifer: I love your man brain.

Gregg: Well we all have a man brain to some degree. And that serves us well. There are some cultures that don’t need facts. For example if we walk into a monastery in the highlands of Central China and Tibet and I start talking to them about the facts of quantum theory and magnetic fields they just giggle and say, “Why do you need to know that? Just live this way.”

Jennifer: Yes.

Gregg: And there are some people that are like that. But what I know is if we live in a western society even if we think we don’t need facts when we hear something that makes sense to us there is a mechanism, an acceptance mechanism in our psyche that opens and allows us to live in a way that becomes aligned with what we’ve just heard is the facts. And we no longer have to expend our own energy searching and questioning for the information. When it rings true we accept it and now we get to live in a new way based on those facts. And that’s why I think it’s important to do what we’re doing here tonight.

So what I began to understand was this – the cycles of time, this isn’t the first time earth has gone through one of these cycles. And before I worked in the defense industry as a computer scientist I was a geologist as a computer scientist or a computer scientist working in the field of geology. And what that told me is that we have places on this planet where earth has preserved a library, a record of the history of every year on this planet at least for the last 500,000 years. And one of those places is the ice cores or the ice caps in Antarctica. Every year there’s a new layer of ice that’s deposited. And with that ice it captures air bubbles of the atmosphere. And it captures literally the chemical elements that are present in the air during that period of time. And from that we can learn about how strong earth’s magnetic fields were the year that those things were captured. We can learn what were the temperatures on the planet. Were the sea levels high or were the sea levels low. Were the ice caps melting or were they freezing. Did the sun have a strong influence or weak influence. We can learn all of those things geologically. And we can do that back to 500,000 years ago.

Now for humans we haven’t had big civilizations, we believe, for 500,000 years. So we look into the archeological record. And we can go back in the archeological record 10,000 or 15,000 years and say how were people




responding to these changes, what do we know about those civilizations. And that’s what I’ve done in the book. So we talk about cycles of time in general in Fractal Time. And the key in Fractal Time is if you know where to look in the past you have a good understanding of what you can expect in the present and the future. And with that in mind we then apply these principles specifically to the year 2012. And that’s what you and I are talking about tonight. And I know this is a bottom line audience here tonight so I’m going to cut right to the bottom line, because our time is really flying tonight Jennifer.

Jennifer: It is.

Gregg: Our fractal time is flying tonight.

Jennifer: Indeed. It’s a cycle with us.

Gregg: It is. So what we find is when we go back in these records, if we know where to look, then we know what to expect. And using the rhythms and the patterns of nature that govern life and time we can do some very simple mathematics. I describe it in the book and I know a lot of people aren’t into math in the book so I put that all in the appendices. And some people don’t even want to look at the appendices so we’ve actually automated a way for you to do these calculations on your own on the website in what’s called a time code calculator.

Jennifer: I heard about that.

Gregg: Yes. We’ll talk about that in a few minutes. But using the algorithms, using a simple math, using a time code calculator, what we know is when we look at the key dates in the past, and when we talk about cycles Jennifer these key dates are what are called seeds. So a seed is a date where an event occurred that put into motion a pattern of energy that will repeat following natural rhythms throughout time until something changes that cycle.

Jennifer: And we can read that in the archeological and the physical database of the earth.

Gregg: We can. And what’s even more, we can read it in our personal lives because our personal cycles of love and hurt and betrayal and success and abundance, they all begin with a seed event that leaves a strong emotional imprint. That puts into motion a cycle that will repeat in our personal lives until something changes it. And you can calculate that using the calculator as well. We’ll talk about that in a few minutes.

Jennifer: Wow cool.

Gregg: But the bottom line for what we can expect, when I went back and looked at the ice cores for Antarctica, I looked at two dates. One of them is 1155 BC is one of the first seed dates. Another was is 13,824 BC is a second seed date. And how we got to those is described in the book in the calculations. Those dates using




natural rhythms are the seeds that put into motion the events that we can expect to experience in the year 2012 and around that zone of time. And what makes it so interesting is when I looked at the magnetic field of the earth, the magnetic strength, earth’s magnetic fields, you can think of those as the buffer or the blanket that protects us from solar radiation from solar wind from all the high energy particles in the cosmos that are coming on our way. It’s like a big warm fuzzy blanket that takes good care of us.

Jennifer: That’s an interesting way to look at it.

Gregg: That’s my man brain looking for a good intuitive way to describe what my man brain is seeing. So what we know is that blanket that protects us, when we go through these cycles, because of the tilt of the earth and where we are, the blanket becomes a little weaker. And as the blanket gets weaker we have greater influence from these sources of energy. So what we find is that in both of our seed dates, both 1155 BC and 13,824 BC, the magnetic fields of the earth became weaker just as they have done in the last 130 years now that we know. Our magnetic fields are weaker now than they’ve been in the last 2,000 years. But don’t worry because they’re still really, really strong. They’re just weaker than they have been in past times.

And we know that when they get weaker it allows more solar energy to penetrate onto the earth which is exactly what’s happening right now. And it happened in both 1155 BC and 13,824 BC. When that occurs the oceans heat up a little bit, the atmosphere heats up a little bit, which is precisely what we’re experiencing right now. And that warming is usually between one to two degrees Celsius which is right where we are right now. And when that happens the ice on both poles begins to melt. And that ice is holding a lot of water. Water has got to go somewhere. It goes into the oceans. The sea level begins to rise. And the cold water changes the temperature in the oceans and that changes climate which begins to change weather patterns. And all of a sudden you can’t grow corn in Nebraska maybe in August the way you have in the past.

So when we look at these parameters we’ve discovered magnetic strength, solar output, climate status and ice. We’ve discovered all of those. When we look in the past at the seeds dates for the year 2012 what we find is that although earth has definitely gone through a dramatic shift in the last 130 years or so that that shift has brought us precisely into alignment with where it appears we always are when we reach this point in the cycle. And now it’s important to look and see how civilizations in the past have responded to the changes in their world that we’re finding in ours to see if they made mistakes then that we can recognize and avoid making in our time right now. For me this is what begins to tell the story.

First of all when we go back 13,824 BC we didn’t have any big civilizations then. So the one I’m going to look at first in our program tonight is 1155 BC. If there’s




any historians on this line you know that date. It’s the exact date the calculator gave us based on the year 2012 using the rhythms of nature. It also is the exact date that one of the greatest civilizations in the face of the earth and the history of our world collapsed when they faced the same kinds of challenges then that we’re facing in our cycle now. They didn’t understand why the changes were happening. And in their fear the way they responded to the changes led to the end of a great civilization. So what happened was the climate changed because of where they were in the cycle. They couldn’t grow food the same way. They began fighting with their neighbors. And they entered into multiple wars with different countries that spread their armies so thin that they couldn’t maintain these wars. And the economy was stretched so much that the economy collapsed. They went broke trying to sustain the wars, trying to gather the diminishing resources from a changing world. And they collapsed and that was the end of one of the greatest dynasties and greatest super powers of that time on the face of the earth.

Now archeologically, Jennifer, this is really interesting, archeologists now are finding remnants of highly advanced civilizations that go back further than history says we should have advanced civilizations. And interestingly enough they’re finding them and they’re correlating those dates with the cycle before Egypt collapsed, the time before that. And these particular remnants are being found in a very interesting area between what is now India and Pakistan on what is called the Rajasthan Plains. And I’ve talked about this in some other books. . Highly advanced civilization, hot and cold running water, closed sewage systems, glass windows, a system of writing that to this date no one has ever translated. So if anyone listening tonight wants some homework there is a language that has never been decoded that very probably tells us what happened to them so that maybe we could avoid the mistakes in our time. But even if we never understand the language, the cycles are giving us insight because they collapsed in what appears to be a wartime setting. And this is what archeologists are saying that occurred when their cycle brought about a change in their world.

So what we’re seeing, and the parallels Jennifer are striking. You look at what’s happening, I’m not saying it’s the same, but look at what’s happening in our world right now. We are engaged in multiple wars and a lot of them are over resources that are simply not sustainable resources. World economies are going broke in part trying to sustain the military and the weapons development and all of the energy it takes to maintain those kinds of wars. And we are precisely in alignment with the physical conditions. The magnetic fields of the earth right now are measured at the unit of about 7.5 on a scale that’s called a VDAM scale. Historically the magnetic fields of the earth have fallen to between 5.25 and 10.5 when we go through these cycles. 7.5 puts us right in line.

Jennifer: Right, with the 5.




Gregg: Yes. So for me what this says to me is that although the changes are intense and they appear abrupt to us, when you look at the big picture we’re right in line with where we always are when we go through these changes. And I am less concerned about the natural phenomenon. I think we’ll get through those just fine. What concerns me is the lesson that these past civilizations apparently did not learn. And it’s about how we treat one another as a family on this planet when we go through the greatest challenges of 5,000 years. And this is the question that we’re posing to our audience. This is our opportunity.

And here is what I believe is happening. I think if we as a planet, if we can recognize that working together to get through this intense yet brief period of change, if we can do this now because we need one another and we need to to get through it, to survive, if we can do it now I think we’re going to find that we like working together. And that we’ll continue to do it as a way of life because we’re better people and we create a better world even when we’re no longer challenged with the conditions of the end of a great cycle. And I think this may be the gift of our 2012 window of opportunity. The conditions that come with the end of this great world age cycle are pushing us to evaluate what it is that works and what’s sustainable, what doesn’t work and what’s not sustainable, and how we can work together to get all of us through this little, this narrow window of time. And the things that are not sustainable, the things that don’t work, stop doing them. Don’t put more energy into it. The things that do, let’s do more of them.

And I think one of the greatest opportunities that we have, physicists look at a little moment in time between cycles, when one cycle ends and the next begins, there is a little time that physicists call a choice point. And for example, the inhale and the exhale that all of us are taking right now. There is a place between where neither one of those exist. In the esoteric traditions that’s a powerful moment where all possibilities live. And if we think about this 2012 5,000-year window of time then when that cycle ends by definition we begin a new cycle. But there’s a place between where neither exist. And it’s at that point where our choices are more potent than in any other time in the cycle. And that’s when we may choose. We look at all the frightening things that may happen. And that’s when we may choose to walk away from that way of life, to say that we choose as a planet to outgrow the habit of war to solve our problems. We choose to outgrow the use of nuclear weapons on civilian populations for example. Or we choose to stop basing our economy on something that’s not sustainable ever expanding markets and people profiting only by others’ loss. That’s the way our economy works now. That’s not sustainable.

So I think what we’re seeing consciously or not Jennifer, I think we’re seeing this global reevaluation, and I’m not saying everyone is aware of why it’s happening, but the conditions of the earth are forcing this reevaluation. When the weather changed then we’ve started the food shortages that’s what triggered a lot of the




shift we’re seeing now. And the greed that’s not sustainable surfaced very quickly. And I think this is what we’re seeing now. The Mayans said something very similar to this in another terminology. They didn’t know what our world would look like 2,000 years ago. But they said that this cycle has been akin to what they would call a gestation cycle. And that we are like the embryo in the womb of our mother. And at the end of this 5,000-year cycle the gestation is over and we are birthed into a new way of being. They didn’t say it’s the end of the world. It’s the end of a world age. And in this new way of being they said you’re probably not going to recognize the world or yourselves because the changes and the challenges have forced us to shift the way we live our lives. But I think we’re better people and we have a better world because of it.

So this is I believe the value of the 2012 window of opportunity – a choice point created by natural phenomenon. And by understanding cycles of time we’re now giving ourselves the gift of looking into the past to know what we can realistically expect. And based on that we can learn from the past and do the things that makes sense to do as we move into this new way of being. And for all intents and purposes it’s already happening. We’re well into this shift. And I think that’s the opportunity that we’re looking at right now. I just wanted to make sure that we covered all of that before we start taking questions.

Jennifer: Really, it’s not long at all. But there’s something that you talk about in all of your books. You’ve shown us that if we change our life, our beliefs, our thoughts we can change our body and ultimately can change the universe. I mean the elements of the earth are the same elements of our body. And so that’s part of this choice point is it not? That’s part of the opportunity for us as individuals to contribute to not being overwhelmed by this and now be thrown into fear with this, and with that fear can create cataclysms in many ways.

Gregg: Can I quote you on that? You said that beautifully. The answer is absolutely. But this leads us to the last little piece that I know I think we’re going to have some questions in some other discussion. But at the very beginning I promised I said there was a third piece here. And I want to make sure that we touch on this before the end of our evening. And that is yet another new discovery. And this is the reason I emphasized the role of the magnetic fields of the earth in these changes. The magnetic fields of the earth link all life and even things that aren’t alive. Everything from an atom to a molecule to the DNA of a blade of grass and hamsters and goldfish and dogs and cats and people and stars, we are all linked through these very powerful fields of magnetic. And the magnetic fields, the geomagnetic fields of the earth, when they rise and fall they regulate the way life happens on our planet right now.

There’s actually a new peer reviewed research article in the very prestigious journal Nature, I talk about it in the book and also I’ve got a link on the website, that now is linking the rise and fall of dinosaurs, the 65 million-year cycle to these




magnetic fields of the earth and our relationship to this energy source at the center of the Milky Way. So we’re looking at cycles within cycles within cycles. Here’s why that’s important. I’ll just tell a quick story. September 11, 2001, 9/11 we had a satellite in the northern hemisphere and one in the southern hemisphere, they’re there today, that are called the GEOS, Geosynchronous Orbital something satellites. Their sole job is to send back a reading to the computers on the earth every 30 minutes of how strong the magnetic fields of the earth really are. And the earth’s magnetic fields, they ebb and flow at reasonable rates throughout the day. 9/11 scientists saw a big glitch, a big jump in the magnetic fields of the earth from both satellites in the northern and southern hemisphere. We showed this in the live programs and I’ll give you a link in a minute. We can look at it on the websites.

And their question was what in the world happened on earth, what could possibly happen on earth that could influence the magnetic field of the entire planet to such a degree that the satellites 22,000 miles above the surface of the earth are picking this up, what is happening. And when they realized that it was the collective emotion of six billion people on the planet in response to the tragedy of 9/11 this is a big deal in the realm of science because it means that somehow we are intimately connected to the very fields of the earth that sustain life on the earth. Not metaphorically, not figuratively, this is a real concrete tangible link. And this led to a series of studies and research projects. The bottom line is the link is created through the magnetic field of the human heart. Each of us, everyone listening right now, your heart was built, it was designed and from the first moment you took your first breath on this planet, you have been engaged in a conversation with the very fields of this planet that sustain all life even if you didn’t know you were having a conversation.

And what the research now has shown is that when we create very precise qualities of emotion in our hearts, not in our minds, we got to get out of our heads to do this, but when we create very precise qualities of emotion in our hearts we set up what is called an experience of coherence. And we talked about this a little bit in the last program. If you’re a scientist coherence is something you can measure electrically. It’s 0.10 cycles per second, 0.10 hertz between the heart and the brain. And we are learning now to create the right kinds of emotions so that we have that coherence in our bodies. That’s just good for us. When we do, we think better, we’re healthier, our anti-aging hormones kick in, we have very strong immune systems, it’s just a good way to live. But what the studies now are showing, Jennifer, and this is what brings it all back to the first five minutes of our conversation tonight, is that when many people get together and create a collective field of coherence, that we couple with the very field of the earth that is undergoing the greatest change that holds the greatest threat to the way we live our lives. And by simply living from a heart based perspective, emotions like care, like gratitude, like appreciation, and very precise techniques that will help us get to that place, we literally can smooth out the rough edges of the chaos that




are called stress waves that Steven Lewis I think is referring to. The stress waves that are rippling through the conscious field of earth as people respond to so much change they can’t even keep up with it. But now we know that coherence is the key to sustaining life within our bodies and also literally gives everyone of us direct access to the very field that is affected most by this cyclic change. And it’s the same field that sustains life on this planet.

And I think it’s no accident, Jennifer, that only now at the end of this cycle when the experts tell us we’re faced with the greatest threats and challenges that humankind has ever faced in 5,000 years of history, the greatest number of challenges and the greatest magnitude of challenges, that at the same time we are learning the language of the human heart that allows us to communicate with the fields that are going through the change. And for the first time we have a science based initiative called Global Coherence Initiative, GCI that is linking people in a family, in a community not unlike the community we have with us tonight. And for people that would like to know more about this I’m going to encourage you, this is all free, if you go to my website www.GreggBraden.com in the middle of the homepage there’s a link. It says click here to learn about Global Coherence. It will give you a slide show. And it gives you the opportunity, you can do everything from passively watching this project, and I’ll describe it in a minute, to actually becoming a member of the community that’s learning to create this coherence. And part of the webinars and part of the experiments that are happening, even one step further, becoming trained yourself so that you can train other people in sharing the gift of coherence in our lives.

Jennifer: You know, what’s interesting is that the guest next week on the show is Eric Pearl who talks about the field quite a bit, and he talks about your material, and Howard Martin.

Gregg: Well, I talked to Howard earlier today and I wanted to give a little plug for Howard, the vice president of this division of HeartMath and the HeartMath Institute, they are the pioneers in exploring heart based technologies. They are the ones heading up this non-profit project. And for transparency I am both on the steering committee as well as the advisory board for this project because I believe so strongly of it. Howard will be a guest I think it’s in early April on this program.

Jennifer: Yes, next Thursday.

Gregg: Okay. And he will speak specifically about this Global Coherence Initiative. I want everyone to know right now you can go out there tonight and learn about it. And it’s a two-tier, two-layer project. One layer, Jennifer, that just fascinated me is they’ve learned to build the sensors that can actually read these magnetic fields and put the images day by day on the websites so we can see with our own eyes how these magnetic fields shift in response to collective changes in emotion. Now that’s fascinating in and of itself. The second tier are the training




programs and the ways to come together as a community to share this coherence and to positively affect our transition, our time in history. And the beauty is we don’t have to change anything we do. You don’t have to change the way you pray or the way you meditate or what you believe. You don’t have to follow a practice. It’s just about learning to do what you’re already doing from a heart based rather than a brain based perspective. And that’s the big hurdle for a lot of people.

We covered a lot of ground and that’s like the closure or the completion of why this 2012 is so powerful. It’s a choice point and now we have the language to choose. And it’s a language of our most ancient and cherished spiritual traditions based on the heart. What a beautify symmetry.

Jennifer: Yes. Wow.

Gregg: Okay. So that was the dry run. So let’s do the real program now. We’ll start from the top and we’ll just do the real thing.

Jennifer: So you know the same thing happened I the last call which is as you’re talking I can feel the hearts opening. I can feel the fear dissipating and the level of confidence in our own abilities to change our lives and to change global consciousness as a result of that opening up like a lotus flower. And it’s no accident that that’s the East Indian tradition is the lotus flower. And you also talked about that moment kind of in between. And I call that the still point in my own healing work that I do with clients which is there is that moment of stillness where all opportunities and all healing is available, I mean usually where the most eruptions occur at the same time. And so there’s just so many disciplines here. And I know that you’ve tracked many, many different cultures and ancient traditions so see these patterns that are happening. And I so appreciate you sharing them with us this evening in such a clear and concise way.

Gregg: Thank you, Jennifer. You know, the thing is there are a lot of people on this planet and we all think differently. We all learn differently. And that’s the beauty of so many different traditions. If we can get past judging one is right or wrong from the other one and embrace the wisdom that they all bring to the table, what we find is that for 5,000 years one way or another we’ve all been preparing for a moment in time that we are going to live in this generation, the close of a great world age, not the end of the world, but the end of a world age. And by definition, because it’s a cycle, the end of anything is the beginning of what comes next. And we could just as easily say we are giving birth to a sixth world age. We’re giving birth to a new 5,125-year long cycle. And I am not sugarcoating this. I’m not saying this is a bed of roses or we don’t have challenges and that people are not suffering. But I am saying that I believe. This is almost like a really very cool science fiction narrative.

Jennifer: Yes, it is.




Gregg: Where people on a world began a journey so long ago that no one living today even remembers the beginning of the journey or even why we’re on the journey. And that it’s in the last moments of the journey when the greatest threats to our survival as individuals, our way of life, our civilization and our planet, when the greatest threats show up that we discover that the way to successfully complete our journey is to embrace the great gift that we had all along. And that’s the gift of the language of our heart that speaks to the systems that are going through the change. Isn’t that beautiful.

Jennifer: Oh my god, yes. And the language of the heart, and you talked about this before, is kindness and compassion and a life fully lived with consciousness.

Gregg: Howard Martin, I don’t want to steal his thunder, he’s going to talk about some very, very cool things. But one of the new discoveries is that the human heart literally has its own brain-like tissue.

Jennifer: Oh my god.

Gregg: Neural tissue in the heart. And Howard will talk to us. And please, everyone, Howard Martin is worth spending an evening of your time listening to. He is funny, he is a brilliant man, he’s got a beautiful heart. And he will talk about what is called heart intelligence. Heart intelligence is where we get out of our mind in the presence of the great decisions and choices that we have to make and go into this neural center in our heart. And it’s kind of like a muscle that maybe you’re not used to using or some are very used to it. So some people are saying what’s the big deal. And others are saying, “Huh?” But when we use it a few times it becomes almost second nature. It’s like remembering something that we forgot a long time ago.

And it’s this heart based intelligence that I believe is the basis for a successful civilization. And if we’re going to learn from the mistakes of our past, and I mean these were very successful powerful civilizations. Jennifer, they have even found electrical wires in clay tubes running underground and batteries that could hold a current. So we think they even had forms of electricity which maybe was used for lighting. We don’t know that. They had highly advanced architecture, mathematics, they had all these things. But had they learned or evolved to the point where it made sense for humans to cooperate and work together in the greatest challenges, and are we making that mistake now. And this is the choice that we’re all making right now.

Jennifer: Yes. That’s the question that I have for you from your perspective. I mean have we reached that critical mass? I think that you’ve talked in other places, I’ve heard you talk about that we’ve avoided some of the destruction of the darkness. And so I would love to hear some examples of that. And also does there need to be a critical mass? Are we there yet?




Gregg: I’m going to answer these in reverse because there were three questions. The whole idea of critical mass, we’re actually rewriting the rules for how we deal with the challenges of our time. And the way we’re rewriting them, Jennifer, a lot of people say they don’t like what’s happening in the world and they’re going to fight what’s happening in the world. When we choose with the heart we’re not fighting a system that exists, we’re saying that system is there, God bless it, we’re choosing another way of being. And there is a huge, huge energetic advantage to choosing a way of being rather than resisting what is already in place.

Jennifer: So well said.

Gregg: And when we make those choices, if there are any Star Trek fans here.

Jennifer: I am.

Gregg: Okay, maybe you know this. Do you remember in one of the early episodes in Star Trek Academy there was a puzzle that every starship person, any of the officers had to solve this problem.

Jennifer: And they failed.

Gregg: It was called the unsolvable problem. And I think it was Kirk, the only way that he solved it, you couldn’t solve the problem, he rewrote the rules that defined it.

Jennifer: He cheated.

Gregg: Well. So we’re rewriting the rules.

Jennifer: Got it.

Gregg: In this polarity world if we’re going to fight the things, and in a three dimensional level sometimes it makes sense to fight, but I’m saying that now we’re looking at a new way of being with consciousness. We’re moving beyond battling, guys bumping chests and governments and civilizations. We’re now going to the source of the energy. And a powerful choice is different than an aggressive resistance. And I think this is one of the things that we’re learning. And when people choose with the heart, and this is why I’m answering the question this way, then the old linear hundredth monkey idea no longer applies. You don’t have to have a certain number of people. What happens is a relatively few people who clearly concisely speak with the language of the heart, that field is experienced by many. And not every one of the six billion people on the earth have to make the choice to benefit.

In all honesty this is why I began the program the way I did, thanking you and thanking our listeners, because there are a lot of people tonight that simply do not have the luxury to sit by a phone or a computer and do what we’re doing. They’re too busy trying to live until tomorrow. They’re just trying to get through the end of the day. But that’s us. That’s our family. And we’re all working




together. By us learning and embracing the gift of life and the power of heart based language on the planet right now, when we, a relatively few number of people learn to do that really well, everyone benefits because there is no them and us. And we talk about people in government making those choices. Those people are there because we empowered them to be there. There is no them and us. There is a we. And they’re plugged into the same fields that we are. And they feel the ripple effects and the stress waves and they feel the coherence that we create. And we never have to even say a word. You don’t have to make a big deal about it saying, “We’re going to smooth up the coherence of the planet through the Global Coherence Initiative.” We don’t have to do that.

Jennifer: We don’t have to march on Washington as the Coherence Alliance.

Gregg: No, but it’s fun. It’s fun to do that. But this is subtle and it’s powerful. And this is the irony of our time in history of learning that we’re actually part of the fields that are undergoing the change. And when we live in that heart centered way cooperation makes a lot of sense. So for example right now, a lot of people don’t know this because the economy is overshadowing it, the United States government, right now Congress is determining whether or not to appropriate hundreds of billions of dollars to refurbish our nuclear arsenal right now. Because the triggers were built in the 50’s and 60’s, they deteriorate, they get old. That’s a lot of money. And there was a time in our history where the world was so insane that maybe it made sense to have that arsenal. But there’s also a time right now where just possibly if we walked away from the expenditures for those weapons and set an example for the rest of the world and said, “We’re living a rare moment of crisis on our planet. Let’s take that money and help one another” and other countries then didn’t feel threatened and could do the same thing, that could just possibly set the template for a beautiful, beautiful level of cooperation on this planet that we haven’t seen if ever for a very long time

Jennifer: And do you think that’s possible Gregg?

Gregg: I’m so encouraged by what I’m seeing. I don’t know why. I think we are taking a rough road to a better world. I really believe that. Why we took this long circuitous route that has caused so much suffering and why we’ve all had to hurt in our lives, and every person listening tonight, everyone of you, the only way you could be here is to have a lot of hurt in your life because the world that we’re living in is a world that hasn’t made sense to us. I know all of you have been through it in one way or another. Economically, in personal relationships, financially, we’ve all lost people and things that we love and we hold dear. Why? What’s that all about? Why have we gone through all of that? Now I don’t have the answer for that. But what I do know is that we’re here for much more than to see this planet and our species perish three years from now. And that we have the power, we have the technology, and I think we’re actually all really good




people. And when you see us doing things that don’t make any sense I think it comes from a place of hurt.

Jennifer: Yes, I agree. I completely agree.

Gregg: There were 400 studies that were done after 9/11 to find out if humans are inherently a violent species. And all 400 studies came back with the same answer Jennifer. They said that we’re actually a peaceful peace-loving species. However, there are three conditions where we will betray our true nature of peace and we will become violent. And those three conditions are when we feel personally threatened, when we feel that our families are threatened or when we feel that our way of life is threatened. And you look at the conditions in the world where the greatest terror is occurring and all three of those conditions apply to those people. And I’m not justifying it. I’m not condoning it. I’m not saying that it is the reason these things are happening. But I’m saying if people are looking for a way to make sense out of the senseless we might begin looking at how to help one another, feel safe personally, feel safe for our families and feel that whatever our little way of life is that we can preserve that personally while we work together collectively for a new way to live on this planet.

Jennifer: And I have this wonderful community of people that people seem to be attracted to this community seem to have that kind of an energy. And I would just ask them to even take it that much further and kind of look at the people within the community, look at the speakers, look at me even as someone who is holding an intention of honor, of integrity, of support, of love. And I mean I think I sometimes get some pretty wild emails from people, I’m sure you do to Gregg, where people immediately assume that you’re trying to do them harm. And I know that that comes from a place of hurt. And I know that the work I do with people, it comes from a place of trauma usually. And I think that there’s an opportunity for us, everyone on this call, right in this moment to make a little agreement with our self. I get to do this for myself too. I have those moments myself. Where we get to make an agreement with ourselves that I’m going to give someone the benefit of the doubt until the doubt is removed. There are still people out there who aren’t necessarily in a place that they can offer that to us.

Gregg: People come to me and they say it can’t be that easy. It’s got to be about more than what we’re talking about. And what I know is this – is that we’ve learned a way of being that served us so well it got us to the point where we are right now.

Jennifer: Right. And it protected us in many ways.

Gregg: Exactly. And it made sense. And at the same time for that to go away you can’t simply stop one way of being in an instant and then say, “Now what do we do?” and figure out a new way. The new way has to develop while the old way is in place. There has to be that overlap. And then when the old way falls away the new structures are already in place. And this is why we have people on this




planet, God bless them, that are doing both. Our military is buying us precious time of a relatively peaceful world. It could be a lot worse. Do we have the wisdom to know what to do with that peace? When we choose that peace in our lives their job becomes obsolete. And this is what we’re working for. And that way I think we’re all working together. We’re all working together doing the only thing we know how to do to build a better world and to become good people.

Jennifer: Yes. Okay. So Theresa asked a question. And I know that other people are kind of feeling this too on this call which is can one person really, really make a difference. If so what then can I do to help make a positive shift for the greater whole?

Gregg: I want to say absolutely, one person can make a difference, one person clearly cleanly embodying these principles in their everyday sphere of life. And you don’t have to broadcast that you’re doing it. You don’t have to go around with a big badge saying, “I believe in the new way.” It’s just by example. I’ve seen this happen. I’ve seen one person do this in a corporate boardroom. And other people in that boardroom responded to the way this one person was solving problems. And from the corporation other corporations linked to the United Nations were influenced and the decisions were made all based on changes that happened in one meeting one day from one person choosing to work cooperatively and to come from a heart centered solution rather than bumping chests, yelling and saying the kinds of things that people say when they’re angry. One person did that. I’ve seen that happen.

Jennifer: And it doesn’t have to be the CEO in the boardroom.

Gregg: It wasn’t a CEO. It was actually an advisor that the CEO had asked to come in. And this was in the defense industry during the Cold War years. And most of the people in the boardroom were retired military. Most of them were male. Most of them had learned to solve problems by yelling, pounding fists and with brute force. That was just their path. And I saw someone come in that had a completely different approach, didn’t announce it, didn’t broadcast it, just began solving the problems differently. And everyone responded unconsciously. It’s kind of like you could be driving to church with your friends on a Sunday morning and listen to the oldies and really rocking out on the road, and the minute you walk into that church there’s a different vibe going on in that room. And everyone responds. The people in your group who five seconds ago you were rocking to the oldies and now you’ve gone within and you’ve become in a very, very different space. It’s unconscious. And that’s the way it works in the boardroom. And I’m just using that as an example.

Jennifer: Yes. And it’s a perfect example. And so every single person on this call, if you come from a heart centered place and practice the principles that pretty much every speaker is talking about.




Gregg: The thing with HeartMath is they’re giving us modern techniques that are verifiable. There are feedback mechanisms that Howard will talk about that tell us we don’t have to guess when we’re on coherence. You could have a little device.

Jennifer: Yes. I have the emWave. I got it right after our last call.

Gregg: Absolutely. And this is what makes this different. For the first time, I mean everybody here is probably involved in these calls where you get an email that says at noon on Saturday go into your heart and feel peace in the Middle East and we all do it. It probably helps. But realistically we don’t know when we’re in coherence and we don’t know how many of us are really in coherence. The beauty of what HeartMath has pioneered is we now have the technology that can be loaded onto your laptop or in a little device that size of a cell phone that tells us with no questions when we’re in coherence. And then we know what feeling it takes to make that happen. Then we don’t need the gadget anymore. I’m not a big gadget person. Give that gadget to somebody else.

Jennifer: Yes. It trains you on what it feels like to be in coherence.

Gregg: Absolutely. First of all, are we on a hard stop or can we go longer?

Jennifer: We can go just a few minutes longer. At least five minutes.

Gregg: Here’s a true story and I talk about it in the book. And this is the synchronicity of the universe putting these things together because the players never knew what was happening. So it was the closest that we ever came during the Cold War to a nuclear exchange between the two superpowers. And I’m going to share a story that we didn’t even know about until the end of the Cold War when the former Soviet Union declassified their documents. 1983 the Cold War was raging and there was this civilian airliner that strayed off course about 200 miles over Russia. It was shot down by the Russian military mistakenly. They thought it was a spy plane. 265 civilians including a United States congressmen were on that plane. Lawrence McDonald. And they were all killed.

And in the paranoia of the Cold War the Soviet Union thought that we would interpret that as an act of war and that we would attack them. And in that paranoid thinking they said, “We’ll beat them to a punch and we’ll surprise and attack them first.” It’s the closest that we ever came to being surprised by a nuclear attack from another power. And if it had happened it would have been a surprise because we didn’t even know they were planning it.

Now here is the flipside. And somewhere in heaven has got to be looking down at this and just shaking their heads saying, “Look at these people on earth. What are they doing?” Because it happens that precisely during this period of time the largest experiment in human consciousness testing the power of creating peace was unfolding. And this was one of the TM experiments through the CD




techniques, Transcendental Meditation experiments where they had 7,000 people that were creating peace in their bodies using these CD techniques. And the effects were so profound statistically that the effects were felt from Australia to Europe to the United States. They were measured. They were documented. And it was precisely when we came the closest to having the nuclear attack, and it would have been an exchange afterward, that the experiment happened. And for reasons that no one has been able to explain cooler heads prevailed, everybody backed off the trigger. And I think it is no accident that we backed away from that trigger precisely during the days that the experiment was happening. I document this in the book. And I tell people if they want to read more about that where they can.

I think this is one of first times we learned definitively that human consciousness in one place has a powerful and profound effect that is not limited to the place where people are having that experience, and that peace was the effect that came from feeling peace. And to me that opens the door to all the possibilities. Isn’t that a cool story?

Jennifer: That is so cool. But someone asked an interesting question here. This actually happens to be the foundation of my work too which is it’s not just being positive. Each of us have traumas and negative and unconscious beliefs. And I think our goal is to access those, not stick our head in the positive hand of life affirmations. But use the challenges that come up before us like this big one is, and the little ones, they might be big for us though, as they show up in our lives, use them to access that more negative content within us to release it, realign it, repattern it, let it go so we can find easily and effortlessly more times of coherence. Do you think that’s true?

Gregg: Couldn’t have said it better myself. Absolutely. I think that’s it. But the key, and this is what’s maybe a little differently is when we move into this heart centered way of living and heart based techniques many people have been conditioned to believe that it is a relaxation or a letting go or almost a zoning out. And it is just the opposite. It is an active form of concentration to hold the focus in a precise way. And this is where it’s useful to at least once go through the techniques with a HeartMath trainer. Howard will talk to you about this. Don’t miss Howard’s program. I’m going to be tuned in for Howard’s program.

Jennifer: Awesome.

Gregg: So it’s a very active form of concentration but it’s a concentration that holds the focus in the human heart.

Jennifer: Right. Okay. Oh my goodness. We are absolutely out of time. We’re about to get cut off. So for those of you who are interested, I have a special link to Gregg’s book launch on March 17. And there’s a really cool site, I think it’s still up that Hay House put together for the book launch. We can get all kinds of




wonderful gifts from some people who are supporting this whole idea of 2012. It’s a beautiful site too. There are all kinds of fun stuff on the site itself. And that’s if you go to www.HealingWithTheMasters.com/gregg. And the email I just sent out prior to the show, if you click on the link to his book that will also take you to that same site. And you can buy the book and then you can take advantage of some, I think there’s a prize with Abraham Hicks too, isn’t there?

Gregg: I have been on a book launch. I don’t know. I would say yes.

Jennifer: I think so. I think it’s still available. So you can win a cruise if you access that site and you purchase Gregg’s book. What a delight as always. I know that we’ve actually had moments of coherence on the call. I can feel the energy that’s emanating from this group. Feel your hearts right now everyone. And bring that heart energy to your life and everyone you meet. Thank you so much Gregg. What a wonderful, wonderful program.

Gregg: Jennifer, thank you for being such a gracious host. Thank you all of our guests. I want to say God bless everyone. It’s not the end of the world. It’s the end of a great world age and the beginning of what comes next. And we’re all part of it.

Jennifer: So next Tuesday is going to be Eric Pearl from the Reconnection. And then Thursday’s call is with Howard Martin from HeartMath. And that’s who Gregg has been speaking about. So join us in those. If you’re interested in buying the series and owning this, just this talk alone and hearing Gregg talk about it in this way is probably worth hearing again and again now and forever. You can purchase it at www.HealingWithTheMasters.com/buy.htm. Thank you everyone. I love you all. And thank you Gregg.