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points in their or#it to the nodes or interface points) represent these same
principles as they are "hen most mutually disinclined -- each to the other! 2ere is
a #rief summary of the astronomical #asis for this concept!
The Basic Astronomy
$hat is a node% &s "e kno", each planet or#its around the 'un in a large ellipse
"ith the 'un in the center, at one focus! This or#ital ellipse defines a plane
passing through the center of the 'un (3igure 4)! The planes of the or#its of the
nine planets in our solar system do not happen to coincide, #ut instead, arenclined to one another, slightly! The line defined #y the intersection of the
planes of any t"o planetary or#its is called the line of nodes (3igure 5)!
ur solar system has the 'un at its center and this is kno"n as the heliocentric
celestial sphere! (3igure 6)! 'ince all of the planetary or#ital planes pass throughthe center of the 'un, the planes all intersect the celestial sphere in "hat are
called great circles! Therefore, each intersecting planetary plane has a distinct
pair of nodes "ith each of the other planets -- the system of planetary nodes!
The planetary nodes of all the other planets "ith respect to the *arth (i!e! "here
their planes intersect the *arth.s or#ital plane -- ecliptic) and the inclinations of
these planes to the *arth.s or#ital plane are kno"n to astrologers, although they
are not often used! There is, ho"ever, some reference in the astrological literatureto a planet #eing at its node in the plane of the *arth! 3or instance7 8ranus might
#e sighted as #eing at its northern or southern node, and yet seldom (almost
never) do "e find reference to the *arth #eing at this same nodal point (and inthe 8ranian plane), although this happens t"ice a year9 &t these times, the *arth
moves into the 8ranian plane and takes on some of the qualities of that planet!
y point is that "hile astrologers have em#raced and used the concept of
planetary pairs "hen it comes to aspects, "e have fallen short as regards thenodal pairs, although they are at least as physically valid! &strologers have a
plethora or riches "hen it comes to points and techniques availa#le to them!
l no", almost no attention has #een given to the fact that each pair of planetaryor#its intersect one another to produce their o"n set of nodal intersections, that
have nothing to do "ith the or#it of the *arth! It is this last category that is the
particular su#ect of this article!
*arth is #ut one planet, al#eit a very important one to us, in our solar system!$hat "e are eamining here ("hich are not so familiar, although easily
computed) are the nodes "here any t"o planets. or#ital planes (irrespective of the*arth.s plane) intersect! This article is concerned "ith the location of the entiresystem of planetary-pair nodal points (interface point) as they can #e measured
along the zodiac!
Locating the Nodes:
:et.s consider any t"o planets other than the *arth, such as ars and 'aturn! The
planes of their or#its make great circles on the elestial 'phere as does the planeof the *arth.s or#it! $here these t"o great planes intersect one another are
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planetary nodes or interface points for this particular planetary pair! Notice that
these points are located slightly a#ove or #elo" the zodiac plane, #ut not right in
t! 'ince "e have only our zodiac as our plane of reference, it is convenient to usethis in order to point out activities in these other planes! 8sing spherical
trigonometry, "e have proected these points onto our ecliptic so that #y
"atching either ars or 'aturn transit a given point in our zodiac (using the
heliocentric ephemeris), "e kno" that the planet (either ars or 'aturn) is
simultaneously at its Interface and eactly in the plane of the second planet! Theresult is an easy "ay for us to tell "hen a planet is at a particular interface point,
#ut using a standard heliocentric ephemeris! No" let.s look at the system ofnterface points from a less technical vie"point!
The Value of Nodal Points in Astrological Work
:et us #riefly revie" the use of nodes in modern astrology7
Nodes7 &s mentioned earlier, astrology is very nodal, more than you might
magine! This article concentrates on the planetary nodes! 2o"ever, ust in
passing, you may "ish to note that standard points like the &scendant and ;erteare nothing more than nodes! It al"ays takes the planes of t"o independent
coordinate systems to create a node! &nd "hile astrologers are a"are that pointsike the ascendant and verte are zodiac points, many are not a"are that the
ascendant is #rought to you #y means of the independent plane of the local
horizon! It is "here they intersect to form a line of nodes! 'till fe"er kno" that
the ;erte is made availa#le #y the intersecting prime vertical coordinate system(again, to the zodiac)! In fact, most of the hot spots of astrology are "here t"o
coordinates systems come together to intersect and create an interesting set of
nodes or points! 'o much of our astrology concerns itself only "ith the zodiacthat there is little a"areness of the many supporting systems of coordinates that
are also in effect!
:unar Nodes7
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and appreciated #y astrologers is the failure to realize these points in their
reciprocity! & nodal point, #y definition, represents the mutual intersection of
t"o independent (planetary or#ital) planes! $e have chosen to call these nodalpoints .Interface Points., as this "ord emphasized the reciprocal nature of any
single point! They point #oth "ays!
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a#ove the given plane)! The southern or descending node is a transit from north
to south (a#ove to #elo" the given plane)! ove and #elo" are defined #y the
position of the north pole of the ecliptic! To revie"7
& given planet transits a node, at "hich time it is perfectly in the plane of thesecond planet and continues along its or#it (a"ay from that node) until the point
s reached of greatest latitude ("hether north or south) in relation to the nodal
nterface in question! 3rom that moment on"ard, the planet proceeds to moveto"ard the opposite nodal point and once again directly to the opposite node and
nto the plane of the planet to #e transited! Therefore, matters of interpretation are
some"hat simplified and restricted (at least at first) to an analysis of the various
quadrants7 transit to the nodes and to the points of greatest disinclination (a#oveand #elo") to these nodes!
&ctivation of the Interface Points themselves needs no lengthy introduction here
since there are many fine tets availa#le that spell-out every possi#le planetarycom#ination! 'tudents are referred to
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particular individual, "hile a part of this "hole system, is usually more active
and concerned "ith one level of their lives than "ith the others (at least at any
given time)!
Interface analysis has proved to #e a great help in locating the specific level(chakra or plane) and planet to "hich an individual naturally responds! nce this
s revealed, information is easily forthcoming of direct interest to the individual
concerning the particular plane of life and initiation in "hich they are findingthemselves involved!
3or a more complete description of these various planets or chakras -- please see
my article >&strology of the 2eart7 The hakras> on this su#ect! The #asic idea
may #e epressed here in one sentence7 the key to the outer "ill al"ays #e innner or in other "ords7 the key to a given planet (chakra) "ill usually #e that
planet "hose or#it is immediately "ithin or inside the planet in question!
& perfect clear eample7 the planet immediately "ithin the *arth.s or#it is ;enus
and for all time the *arth has #een ever concerned "ith ;enus or love and, in
fact, divine love has al"ays #een put forth #y the "orld.s spiritual lights as thevery key to life on this planet! This is equally true for all planets from and
ncluding 'aturn into the 'un! (The outer planets have a different significance)! Itshould #e understood that, although "e live #y virtue of our #irth on this planet,
"e are not #y that fact automatically in full realization of our *arth eistence! In
fact, initiation "ithin inner planes (planets) is a gradual process of graduation #y
degrees! The maority of us have great difficulty "orking through (for instance)the 'aturn ('atan), ?upiter (succession), and ars (marriage) to even get in
possession of the *arth (the 2eart or child) much less graduating to the inner
planes of ;enus (divine love), ercury (light of love), and on to the 'un ('elf or4111-petaled chakra)!
&s remote and >flo"ery> (or vague or a#stract) as this language may seem to
some readers, it is important to understand these various planes and to realize
that "e in fact find ourselves endlessly involved, evolving, and revolving throughthis life! &t any one time a given individual "ill #e taken up "ith concerns of a
given plane! It #ecomes of great importance to the counseling astrologer to
accurately indicate at "hat level and plane the life is #eing etended or occurringand to "hat plane the individual may #e referred to for light and a clear idea as to
the questions they may have!
In practice the role of the astrologer often involves directing and referring
ndividuals to the level or chakra "hich happens to #e the key to their currentife.s concerns! Interface analysis can help astrologers to more accurately and
"ithout personal #ias determine the levels or planes to "hich a given individual
responds as "ell as the key or level to #e recommended as a "ay to inner planes!In the past, astrologers have often #een limited and restricted in their practice to
those chakras or planets in "hich they personally may have taken initiation
(understand from personal eperience) and they have primarily "orked "iththose clients "ho eist on an outer planet or plane of initiation from their o"n
evel!
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It is possi#le using Interface analysis for the astrologer to accurately determine
and to direct a client to the appropriate level or plane regardless of "hether he or
she personally has (or has not) taken that initiation! To do this "ith accuracydemands a relatively a#solute frame of reference to "hich all matters may #e
referred! The simple structure of our solar system is such a frame and "hen
properly understood and rigorously applied much of "hat amounts to guess"ork
n the practice of astrology is removed!
The Astrologer of this A!uarian Age
I "ould like to mention #riefly some #enefits of a more personal and yet still
a#solutely useful nature! To cite a personal instance in the life of this author7 In
my natal heliocentric configurations, I have the planets ;enus=Neptune=?upitermutually inclined to each other! & source of concern and confusion (especially in
younger years) for me involved encounters "ith those "ith "hich I didn.t #y
nature get along! 'ome folks took a dislike to me! I al"ays "ondered "hy and Ispent an un"arranted amount of energy and time searching myself to discover
"hat had I done to offend or to deserve such a reception!
It "as most satisfying and fascinating to discover in the helio natal charts of
these individuals "ho seemingly took offense to myself that they had one ormore planets at the changing-line or square point to my natal ?upiter=;enus or
Neptune! In other "ords, they "ere most definitely disinclined to the planets to
"hich I "as #y nature perfectly inclined! 'eeing this spelled out to me in these
natal configurations has helped me to realize the simple fact of thesenclinations=disinclinations and to let pass the opportunities to search and
question myself as to the fault on either part for the event! n the other hand, I
"as startled to discover that in almost every instance, my closest personal friendsall had the same planets at the same degree and that this degree "as an Interface
point that "as perfectly complementary (inclined) to myself! This "as (in myife) a rather remarka#le discovery and one "ith the most practical kind of
#enefits to me as to the time and energy previously "asted in a useless self-
eamination! *nough said!
A "ystem of Notation
It remains for us to discuss a convenient system of notation #y "hich to representthese Interface points as they are found in a given chart! 'uch a system must
nclude the planets themselves in their order from the 'un out"ards! & vertical
column (like the spinal column) is perhaps sym#olically the most correct! (3igure
@)
Taking a particular natal or event chart (heliocentric only), "e eamine each
planet.s position and compare these positions to those in one of the ta#les at the
end of this article! $e "ill "ant to notate activity at #oth the Interface points and
the square or changing-line points! To the right of the vertical column "e notateall planets that #y transit at an interface point! $e dra" the sym#ol for the planet
(at the Interface point) net to the sym#ol of the planet in "hich plane the transit
occurs!
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?upiter C ? D P-?-P
'aturn C ' Em D P-'-P-
8ranus C 8 D 8-N
Neptune C N D 8-N-P
Pluto C P E* D N-'-?-P-?-'
I-place C I D I
(o)ard (ughes
*quator 'un C D
ercury C m D P-m
;enus C ; Em D ?-;-?
*arth C * D *
ars C D N-?-
?upiter C ? D ;-?-;-
'aturn C ' Em D '
8ranus C 8 D 8
Neptune C N D NPluto C P E* D P-m
I-place C I D I
Beetho*en
*quator 'un C D -;-
ercury C m D m-8
;enus C ; Em D -;
*arth C * D *-P
ars C D -?upiter C ? D ?-P
'aturn C ' Em D 8-'-P
8ranus C 8 D m-8-'
Neptune C N D N-P
Pluto C P E* D *-?-'-N-I-P
I-place C I D I
Note7 &ttempts to apply these points to the geocentric natal chart "ould #e
practical only "ith the outer planets, "here the difference #et"een geo and helio
positions is plus or minus a#out three degrees, and "ith the *arth='un ais,
"hich is identical in either coordinate system! It is time that modern astrologerseercise their understanding of the fact that "e live simultaneously the lives of
our solar system and Falay! $e share a common fate! The heliocentric
coordinate system may still #e ne" to astrologers as a system of measurement,#ut the eperience to "hich it refers is not ne"!
The religions of this "orld have long championed a more inclusive reality and
each of us has for days or parts of days in our lives sustained a"areness of this
greater life! $e have in fact arrived at a point "here this eperience can #emeasured and studied! &s astrologers, "e can point out to the "orld the opening
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n our times of the &ge of &quarius, of Froup $ork and mass Initiation! $hat
more appropriate sign of this ne" age might "e epect than a more holistic
representation of this larger self to "hich "e are true and an a#ility to refer andmeasure this self through coordinate systems of increasing inclusivity! The net
result is not a desertion of the geo (#ody) perspective, #ut rather the enhancement
of that perspective! >To see eternity in a grain of sand!> &s astrologers "e are
concerned "ith realizing eternity as it eists captured in the geocentric
circumstances inherent in individual eistence! $e do not forsake the geo for thehelio as some have suggested! $e in fact live at once through all time and all
space and7 This is it9 That all coordinate systems demonstrate this principle andeist only as they are convenient modes in "hich to measure and realize *ternity!
I include here a list of the interface points for the different epochs! These points
do change, #ut the change is very slo"! & variety of atri computer programs
offer interface analysis as a #uilt-in option, complete "ith interpretation! Thisnterface concept "as developed #y ichael + argaret *rle"ine in the early
40G1s! 3or those "ishing to read more, reprints of the follo"ing are availa#le
from atri 'oft"are, 64H arion &venue, Aig Interface &nalysis> - #y ichael *rle"ine, NF< ?ournal, 40GG!
>&strology of the 2eart7 The Planetary hakras,> availa#le from atri'oft"are, 64H arion &venue, Aig T E1!0LL0KT
'8N.' *M8&T< 1G!6@@@@GK E H11!1>T E4!1111>T
;*T E4!10L66KT
Inclinations: +rdered $elati*e to Ascending Node on ,cliptic
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MERCURY 07.0028806 + 06.699"T -0.066"T2MARS 01.8503333 - 02.43"T +0.0454"T2URANUS 00.7727222 + 02.00"TSUN'S EQUATOR 07.25VENUS 03.3936306 + 03.621"T -0.0035"T2JU!TER 01.3086944 - 20.0"T!NVAR!A#E #ANE 01.5830556 - 18.0"T#UTO $ 17.1698661SATURN 02.4925833 - 16.0"TNETUNE 01.7792499 - 33.0"T
EPOCH 1900.0 (all values this pae!
Inclinations. +rdered $elati*e to the Plane of the ,arth
4 5 6 H
P:8T 4G!5K 'un *arth 8ranus O 0!0K
*M8&T< 3 '8N 1G!6 ercury Pluto *arth O 1!5
*
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!NTER%ACE !NTER%ACE C,&,-*&, C,&,-*&,
-( 1.33352 1.33543 1.33410-,( 1.25563 1.25663 1.25570-S, 1.35723 1.35473 1.35778-,( 1.32612 1.32749 1.32579-&) 1.24959 1.25043 1.24963-!-*, 1.24932 1.25010 1.24923-*)/ 1.51641 1.51158 1.51744-(), 1.23909 1.23953 1.23843-,), 1.25998 1.26085 1.25976(-,( 0.87411 0.87422 0.87412(-S, 1.56595 1.56624 1.56853(-,( 0.94634 0.94628 0.94650(-&) 0.99312 0.99314 0.99310(-!-*, 0.97558 0.97554 0.97547(-*)/ 1.52943 1.52887 1.53218(-(), 0.90811 0.90801 0.90792(-,), 1.08660 1.08659 1.08632,(-S, 1.50559 1.50569 1.50808,(-,( 1.01518 1.01528 1.01564,(-&) 1.58331 1.58325 1.58336,(-!-*, 1.28076 1.28071 1.28082
,(-*)/ 1.53631 1.53635 1.53981,(-(), 1.00323 1.00320 1.00335,(-,), 1.30995 1.30981 1.30985S,-,( 1.83542 1.84245 1.83866S,-&) 1.49778 1.49935 1.49802S,-!-*, 1.51960 1.52146 1.51981S,-*)/ 1.53338 1.53263 1.53575S,-(), 1.57557 1.57707 1.57533S,-,), 1.50486 1.50638 1.50476,(-&) 0.94019 0.94029 0.94030,(-!-*, 0.98782 0.98801 0.98795,(-*)/ 1.60418 1.60454 1.61376,(-(), 1.04765 1.04756 1.04737,(-,), 1.09119 1.09144 1.09123&)-!-*, 0.64359 0.64341 0.64334&)-*)/ 1.53434 1.53453 1.53782&)-(), 0.67877 0.67856 0.67835&)-,), 1.20017 1.20004 1.19989!-*,-*)/ 1.55180 1.55219 1.55640!-*,-(), 0.69629 0.69605 0.69590!-*,-,), 1.36744 1.36713 1.36707*)/-(), 1.60345 1.61334 1.60480*)/-,), 1.55333 1.55834 1.55384(),-,), 0.89809 0.89829 0.89841
The a#ove listed num#ers represent the amount of change(in the direction of the
signs (counter-clock"ise) that the Interface and each of its 'M8&
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+1.0437 2.2568,(-! *, 054.0782 144.0090 144.0571 -1.2561 +3.1521+0.9633 2.1893,(-*)/ 116.9404 207.0400 207.6247 +2.2351 +2.552417.0418 14.474,(-(), 028.9005 **8.8001 118.8890 -2.4734 +2.3168+0.2653 2.0534,(-,), 044.2577 134.1680 134.2543 -1.7758 +2.8910+0.1110 2.7814&)-! *, 136.3489 226.3633 226.3678 +0.7861 +1.0463+1.3740 0.3278&)-*)/ 110.4960 200.5017 200.5736 +0.2511 +1.284417.1679 15.884&)-(), 126.6866 216.6988 216.7119 +0.5993 +1.1634+2.4194 1.2561&)-,), 176.4552 266.4618 266.4829 +1.2753 +0.2939+1.2405 0.9469!-*,-*)/ 109.9878 199.9904 200.0140 +0.0940 +1.580317.1696 15.589!-*,-(), 123.3140 213.3261 213.3335 +0.4558 +1.5160+2.4505 0.9346!-*,-,), 193.3314 283.3339 283.3540 +1.5805 +0.0898+0.8169 0.7275
*)/-(), 109.1754 199.1268 199.1686 -0.1570 17.1691+2.4876 14.682*)/-,), 107.4070 197.1899 197.3869 -0.7032 17.1546+1.6343 15.521(),-,), 078.4410 168.3905 168.4143 -1.4068 +2.0572+1.0892 0.9684
:egend for ove7 Interface listed #y planetary pair follo"ed #y position of nodeon earth.s ecliptic! Net a list of the square points! 4 + 5! 'quare 4 refers to the
first listed planet in the Interface pair at far left hand column!!!5 to the second!
Net follo"s list for latitude a#ove or #elo" the earth.s ecliptic(E or-) for eachpoint! NT*7 It must #e kept in mind that these values represent only one half of
the ais and that values #y longitude 4L1 degrees apart comprise the other half!:atitudes also are identical for the 4L1 degree point #ut take the opposite sign tothe one listed a#ove!(E #ecomes - !!! or vice versa)
opyright7 ichael *rle"ine
ther articles #y ichael *rle"ine7
&stroQap 2i-
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The &strology of :ocal 'pace
The ounselor7 id"ife of the Psyche @=51=5114
The Falactic Nucleus 44=4=5115The :unation ycle7 *ast and $est 44=4=5115
The Planets, 'igns, + 2ouses 44=4=5115
The Ti#etan alendar7 The 45 onths of the Bear 44=4=5115The 8ranian 'igns 44=4=5115
The ;alue of the 2eliocentric=Feocentric omparison
Ti#etan &strology 44=4=5115Ti#etan &strology7 &ppendi & 44=4=5115Tidal ;ector 3orces7 :unar Phenoma G=51=5114
Rodiac ycles and 'igns 44=4=5115
Planetary Nodes - Part II
Interface Points epoch 0122.2
001.0265 (-,), 181.0265004.0367 (-&) 184.0367009.4379 + &)-) 189.4379011.4750 +
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038.2821 +&)
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115.1751 +
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178.6351 :*)& /* 358.6351
Interface Points epoch 0134.2
001.2981 (-,), 181.2981004.2849 (-&) 184.2849009.6906 + &)-) 189.6906011.7114 +
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062.5789 ,(-&) 242.5789066.5173 +,),
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133.4247 -*)/ 313.4247134.3200 +011.9979 +(
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022.1300 +
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157.9114 (),-( 337.9114159.8402 +
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041.8133 +!-*,068.1925 +
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118.1436 *)/-,( 298.1436119.5857 +