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TRANSCRIPT OF A MEETING
OF THE
STATE OF NEVADA
PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS LICENSING BOARD
Tuesday, December 10, 2019
9:00 a.m.
and
Wednesday, December 11, 2019
9:00 a.m.
Northern Nevada Location:
DETR SAO Auditorium
500 E. Third St.
Carson City, Nevada 89713
Southern Nevada Location (Videoconferenced):
DETR Training Facility/Stanley Jones Bldg.
2800 E. St. Louis Ave., Conference Rooms A-B-C
Las Vegas, Nevada 89104
REPORTED BY: SHANNON L. TAYLOR, CCR, CSR, RMR
Certified Court, Shorthand and Registered Merit Reporter
Nevada CCR #322, California CSR #8753, Idaho CSR #485
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A P P E A R A N C E S
Board Members Present:
Raymond Flynn, Acting Chair (Las Vegas)
Tammy Nixon (Las Vegas)
Robert Gronauer (Las Vegas)
Also: Kevin Ingram (Las Vegas)
Executive Director
Michael Detmer (Las Vegas)
Deputy Attorney General
Board Counsel
Rosalie Bordelove (Las Vegas)
Chief Deputy Attorney General
Board Prosecuting Counsel
Vincent Saladino (Las Vegas)
Supervisory Investigator
Shelly Donald (Las Vegas)
Investigator and Licensing Specialist
Paul Maxwell (Las Vegas)
Investigator
Zachary Swarthout (Las Vegas)
Investigator
Jordan Jones (Carson City)
Investigator
Mary Klemme (Carson City)
Financial Specialist
Other Participants:
Seth Schrenzel (Carson City)
Zlata Zujic (Las Vegas)
Nenad Stojanovic (Las Vegas)
John Taylor (Las Vegas)
Derk J. Boss (Las Vegas)
Sandra L. James (Carson City)
Zachary Daigle (Las Vegas)
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Geoffrey Hazard (Carson City)
Mina G. Boules (Las Vegas)
Robert G. Brockway (Las Vegas)
Timothy A. Cook (Las Vegas)
Paschal Facchini (Las Vegas)
Victor M. Garcia (Las Vegas)
William D. Ledford (Las Vegas)
Stephen W. Kenny (Las Vegas)
Arne Ogaard (Las Vegas)
James A. Rita (Las Vegas)
Gregory S. Rodriguez (Las Vegas)
David S. Chandler (Las Vegas)
Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. (Las Vegas)
Jason C. Sullivan (Carson City)
Parth Thaker (Las Vegas)
Glen A. Jacobsen (Las Vegas)
Kenneth M. VanRemortel (Las Vegas)
Jeffery W. Bruckner (Las Vegas)
Maria D. Buck (Las Vegas)
Gene L. Jacobson (Las Vegas)
Jerry D. King, Jr. (Las Vegas)
Alec R. Morgan (Las Vegas)
Ethan Tseu (Las Vegas)
Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz (Las Vegas)
Jonathan G. Alvarez (Las Vegas)
Michael A. Buxton (Carson City)
Aaron T. Jones (Las Vegas)
Ralph P. Ray (Las Vegas)
Laval Lee Jenkins (Las Vegas)
Ahmad Carney (Las Vegas)
Frederick Nnabuife (Las Vegas)
Tyrone Hinton (Las Vegas)
Stephen Caldonetti (Las Vegas)
Dustin Hippensteel (Las Vegas)
Jeremiah Carrillo (Las Vegas)
Patrick Cotham (Carson City)
Gene Hobdy (Las Vegas)
Noah Carter-White (Las Vegas)
Jordenn Lawson (Las Vegas)
Nicholas Patton (Las Vegas)
Van Dodson (Las Vegas)
Rochelle Reed (Las Vegas)
Stephen Reid, Esq. (Las Vegas)
Alfonso Redic (Las Vegas)
Adam Plant (Las Vegas)
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I N D E X
Tuesday, December 10, 2019 (page 17)
Wednesday, December 11, 2019 (page 233)
ITEM PAGE
1. Roll Call of Board Members 17
233
2. Public Comment 17
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3. Board/Executive Director Announcements,
Reports and Updates 18
4. Review and approve transcripts from
September 11, 2019 Board meetings
"for possible action" 23
5. All applicants and witnesses to be sworn in 24
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REQUEST FOR EXEMPTION
6. Seth Schrenzel of High Rock Security, Inc.,
license number 2635 is asking the Board to
grant an exemption as outlined in NAC 648.338.
Mr. Schrenzel is requesting that the Board
allow them to hire John Craig, an "active"
out of state Peace Officer, for the annual
Burning Man event held in Northern Nevada
August 30, 2020 through September 7, 2020 25
CORPORATE NAME CHANGE
7. Security Resources, Inc., license number 397 is
requesting a corporate name change to Security
Resources, LLC. Robert W. Bond will remain the
Qualifying Agent. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
8. Rock Your Body Yoga Massage & K9RDX, LLC, dba,
K9RDX, license number 2675 is requesting a
corporate name change to K9RDX LLC. Kristy
Moats-Moody-Abbott will remain the Qualifying
Agent. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. "for possible action" 29
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9. SPRIGGS, Inc., license number 1052 is requesting
a corporate name change to SPRIGGS Security &
Investigations, Inc. Michael S. Spriggs will
remain the Qualifying Agent. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
CORPORATE OFFICER
10. Citywide Security Services, LLC, license number
1786 is seeking Member status approval for
Gregory Manukian. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
11. Griz Global Solutions, LLC, license number
2203 is seeking Member status approval for
Daniel D. Ibach. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
12. Command Security Corporation, license number
2187 is seeking Corporate Officer approval for
Larry Parrotte. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
13. Rancho Security Services, LLC, license number
875 is seeing Member status approval for Zlata
Zujic and Nenad Stojanovic. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 30
14. Allied Private Investigation & Security
Services, Inc., license number 2050 is seeking
Corporate Officer status approval for Karl
Zundel. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. "for possible
action" 36
CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS - QUALIFYING AGENT, EXISTING
CORP
15. Perry J. Bonarrigo is requesting a change of
licensing status. Mr. Bonarrigo is requesting
that his individual license, license number
1750 be kept in abeyance so that he may become
the Qualifying Agent for 3 Sixty Secure Corp,
license number 2740. This is subject to all
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statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
16. Gary S. Newcomer is requesting a change of
licensing status. Mr. Newcomer is requesting
that his individual license, license number 968
be kept in abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent for St. Moritz Security
Services, Inc., license number 1453. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 29
17. Dennis R. Slater is requesting a change of
licensing status. Mr. Slater is requesting that
his individual license, license number 1894 be
kept in abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent for Fire Cause Analysis, Inc.,
license number 753. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
CHANGE OF LICENSING STATUS - QUALIFYING AGENT, NEW CORP
18. Watermark Enterprises, Inc., dba Watermark
Investigations & Protection Group is applying
for a new corporate Private Patrolman license.
If approved, John A. Avila, license number 2001
is requesting that his individual license be
kept in abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Corporate officer to be
approved is John A. Avila. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
19. Chenega Security & Support Solutions, LLC is
applying for a new corporate Private Patrolman
license. If approved, Stewart W. Bentley,
license number 1530 is requesting that his
individual license be kept in abeyance so that
he may become the Qualifying Agent. Member to
be approved is Wade F. Dennis. This is subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
20. DJ Boss Assoc. is applying for a new corporate
Private Investigator license. If approved,
Derk J. Boss, Jr., license number 1476 is
requesting that his individual license be kept
in abeyance so that he may become the
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Qualifying Agent. Member to be approved is
Derk J. Boss, Jr. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 42
21. HK Security Services Inc. is applying for a
new corporate Private Patrolman license. If
approved, Walter P. Kodba, license number 1674
is requesting that his individual license be
kept in abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officer to be
approved is Walter P. Kodba. This is subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
22. Perspective Investigations LLC is applying for
a new corporate Private Investigator license.
If approved, Chad A. Mitchell, license number
2783 is requesting that his individual license
be kept in abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Member to be approved is
Chad A. Mitchell. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
23. Condor Security of America, Inc. is applying for
a new corporate Private Patrolman license. If
approved, Gregory A. Veiga, license number 2138
is requesting that his individual license be
kept in abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officer to be
approved is Gregory A. Veiga. This is subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
24. PalAmerican Security, Inc. is applying for a
new corporate Private Patrolman license. If
approved, Timothy Wells, license number 2212
is requesting that his individual license be
kept in abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officer to be
approved is Troy W. Hales. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 29
PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR
25. Private Eyes Screening Group Inc. is applying
for a new corporate Private Investigator
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license. Sandra L. James is applying for an
individual Private Investigator license. If
approved, she is requesting that her individual
license be placed into abeyance so that she may
become the Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officer
to be approved is Sandra L. James. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 48
26. Zachary Daigle is applying for an individual
Private Investigator license. If approved, he
is requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent for PreCheck, Inc., license
number 1618. Corporate Officers to be approved
are Bruce E. Berger, Michael J. Kucza and
James C. Owens. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 56
27. Geoffrey Hazard is applying for an individual
Private Investigator license. This is subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 58
PRIVATE PATROLMAN
28. Pharaohs, LLC is applying for a new corporate
Private Patrolman license. Mina G. Boules is
applying for an individual Private Patrolman
license. If approved, he is requesting that
his individual license be placed into abeyance
so that he may become the qualifying agent.
Member to be approved is Mina G. Boules. This
is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 61
29. Apex Security Group, Inc. is applying for a new
corporate Private Patrolman license. Robert G.
Brockway is applying for an individual Private
Patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officers to be
approved are Robert G. Brockway and Paul S.
Erickson. This is subject to all statutory
and regulatory requirements. "for possible
action" 64
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30. Resolve Assurance LLC is applying for a new
corporate Private Patrolman license.
Timothy A. Cook is applying for an individual
Private Patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Members to be approved are
Timothy A. Cook and Tucker L. Stokely. This
is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 66
31. Contingency Concepts, LLC is applying for a
new corporate Private Patrolman license.
Paschal Facchini is applying for an individual
Private Patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Members to be approved are
Paschal Facchini, Peter J. Facchini and Brett M.
Krueger. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. "for possible
action" 68
32. Victor M. Garcia is applying for an individual
Private Patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent for Thomas Protective Services,
Inc., license number 1309. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 73
33. Chaos Security, LLC is applying for a new
corporate Private Patrolman license. William D.
Ledford is applying for an individual Private
Patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be placed
into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Members to be approved are
William D. Ledford and Stephen W. Kenny. This
is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 76
34. Arne Ogaard is applying for an individual
Private Patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be placed
into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent for Five Diamond Screening,
LLC, license number 2787. This is subject to
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all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 80
35. SRS Protection, Inc. is applying for a new
corporate Private Patrolman license. James A.
Rita is applying for an individual Private
Patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be placed
into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Corporate Officers to be
approved are James A. Rita and Robin A. Neubert.
This is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 83
36. The Stonewall Viper Group, Inc., dba
The Company, is applying for a new corporate
Private Patrolman license. Gregory S. Rodriguez
is applying for an individual Private Patrolman
license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual license be placed into abeyance so
that he may become the Qualifying Agent.
Corporate Officers to be approved are Gregory S.
Rodriguez and David S. Chandler. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 85
37. Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. is applying for an
individual Private Patrolman license. If
approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may
become the Qualifying Agent for American Guard
Services, Inc., license number 1364. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 88
38. Jason C. Sullivan, dba Tahoe Life Security, is
applying for an individual Private Patrolman
license. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. "for possible action" 90
39. Priority 1 Protective Services NV LLC is
applying for a new corporate Private Patrolman
license. Parth Thaker is applying for an
individual Private Patrolman license. If
approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may
become the Qualifying Agent. Members to be
approved are Parth Thaker, Judy Weiser and
Glen A. Jacobsen. This is subject to all
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"for possible action" 92
40. Kenneth M. VanRemortel is applying for an
individual Private Patrolman license. If
approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may
become the Qualifying Agent for Pinkerton
Consulting & Investigations Inc., license
number 1029. This is subject to all statutory
and regulatory requirements. "for possible
action" 96
PROCESS SERVER
41. Jeffery W. Bruckner is applying for an
individual Process Server license. If approved,
he is requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent for ProDox, L.L.C., license
number 1710. This is subject to all statutory
and regulatory requirements. "for possible
action" 99
42. HES-Hurricane Eviction Services, LLC is
applying for a new corporate Process Server
license. Maria D. Buck is applying for an
individual Process Server license. If approved,
she is requesting that her individual license be
placed into abeyance so that she may become the
Qualifying Agent. Member to be approved is
Maria D. Buck. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 101
43. Gene L. Jacobson, dba Private Investigators
International, is applying for an individual
Process Server license. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements. "for
possible action" 103
44. Las Vegas Residential Properties, LLC is
applying for a new corporate Process Server
license. Jerry D. King, Jr. is applying for an
individual Process Server license. If approved,
he is requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. Member to be approved is
Yaakov K. Greenspan. This is subject to all
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"for possible action" 106
45. Aris Vegas, LLC is applying for a new corporate
Process Server license. Alec R. Morgan is
applying for an individual Process Server
license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual license be placed into abeyance so
that he may become the Qualifying Agent. Member
to be approved is Alec R. Morgan. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. "for possible action" 111
46. Ethan Tseu is applying for an individual
Process Server license. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 114
CANINE HANDLER
47. T.A.C. Protective Service, LLC, license number
2704 is applying for a new Canine Handler
license. Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz is applying for
an individual Canine Handler license. If
approved, she is requesting that her individual
license be placed into abeyance so that she may
become the Qualifying Agent. This is subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 116
48. Protective Force International LLC, license
number 2687 is applying for a new Canine Handler
license. Jonathan G. Alvarez is applying for an
individual Canine Handler license. If approved,
he is requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 119
PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR AND PRIVATE PATROLMAN
49. Michael A. Buxton is applying for an individual
Private Investigator and Private Patrolman
license. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. "for possible
action" 122
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50. International Protective Service, Inc. is
applying for a new corporate Private Investigator
and Private Patrolman license. Aaron T. Jones is
applying for an individual Private Investigator
and Private Patrolman license. If approved, he
is requesting that his individual licenses be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
Qualifying Agent. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 128
51. Ralph P. Ray is applying for an individual
Private Investigator and Private Patrolman
license. If approved, he is requesting that
his individual licenses be placed into abeyance
so that he may become the Qualifying Agent for
Century Security Management of Las Vegas,
license number 1315. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 132
PRIVATE PATROLMAN AND CANINE HANDLER
52. Action K-9 Security, Inc. is applying for a new
corporate Private Patrolman and Canine Handler
license. Timothy J. Clancy is applying for an
individual Private Patrolman and Canine Handler
license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual licenses be placed into abeyance so
that he may become the Qualifying Agent.
Corporate Officers to be approved are Timothy J.
Clancy and Danula J. Clancy. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
"for possible action" 135
REGISTRATION APPEALS
53. Alex Holden applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Holden is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 136
"for possible action" 231
54. Laval Lee Jenkins applied for registration
and was denied. Mr. Jenkins is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 136
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55. David Wright applied for registration and was
denied. Mr. Wright is appealing the decision
to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 141
"for possible action" 231
56. Ahmad Carney applied for registration and was
denied. Mr. Carney is appealing the decision
to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 141
57. Catharine Freitag applied for registration
and was denied. Ms. Freitag is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 146
"for possible action" 231
58. Dontrell Blackburn applied for registration
and was denied. Mr. Blackburn is appealing
the decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 146
"for possible action" 231
59. Frederick Nnabuife applied for registration
and was denied. Mr. Nnabuife is appealing
the decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 147
60. Tyrone Hinton applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Hinton is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 155
61. Dustin Hippensteel applied for registration
and was denied. Mr. Hippensteel is appealing
the decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 166
62. Jeremiah Carrillo applied for registration
and was denied. Mr. Carrillo is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 172
63. Patrick Cotham applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Cotham is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 175
64. Patricia Lewis applied for registration and
was denied. Ms. Lewis is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 179
"for possible action" 231
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65. Gene Hobdy applied for registration and was
denied. Mr. Hobdy is appealing the decision
to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 179
66. Noah Carter-White applied for registration
and was denied. Mr. White is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 187
67. Jordenn Lawson applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Lawson is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 196
68. Nicholas Patton applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Patton is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 205
69. Joseph Mumford applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Mumford is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 211
"for possible action" 231
70. Joseph Huizar applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Huizar is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648. 212
"for possible action" 231
71. Van Dodson applied for registration and was
denied. Mr. Dodson is appealing the decision
to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 212
72. Rochelle Reed applied for registration and
was denied. Ms. Reed is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 221
73. Dontague Bush applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Bush is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 231
74. James Smelley applied for registration and
was denied. Mr. Smelley is appealing the
decision to the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
"for possible action" 231
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DISCIPLINARY HEARING
75. Continuation of disciplinary hearing for
Adam Plant, R-085960, pursuant to NRS 648.156.
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WORK CARD APPEAL
76. Alfonso Redic applied for registration and was
denied. Mr. Redic is appealing decision to
the Board pursuant to NRS 648.
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CITATION APPEALS
77. Torrey Mitchell is appealing the issuance of
Citation I-0007-19 to the Board pursuant to
NRS 648.165. "for possible action" 234
SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT
78. Review, discussion and possible approval of
the Settlement Agreement and Release in the
matters of Gallian Welker & Beckstrom, L.C.,
and Raelene Palmer v. State of Nevada, Office
of the Attorney General, PILB, and ESI Security
Services, and ESI Security Services v. PILB
(Cross-Claim) (Case No. A-18-782763-C).
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OTHER BUSINESS
79. Board Comment and future agenda items
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80. Public Comment 232
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81. Adjournment "for possible action" 232
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CARSON CITY, NEVADA, TUESDAY, DECEMBER 10, 2019,
9:02 A.M.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Good
morning. I'll call to order the Private Investigators
Licensing Board of the State of Nevada.
Mr. Ingram, would you give us a roll call.
MR. INGRAM: Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Acting Chair Ray Flynn?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Here.
MR. INGRAM: Board Member Tammy Nixon?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Here.
MR. INGRAM: Board Member Robert Gronauer?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Here.
MR. INGRAM: We have a quorum.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Reference
public comment. Members of the general public may
comment on matters appearing on the agenda and may bring
matters not appearing on the agenda to the attention of
the Board. The Board may discuss the matters not
appearing on the agenda but may not act on the matters
at this meeting. If the Board desires, the matters may
be placed on a future agenda for action. Public comment
will be limited to five minutes per person at the
discretion of the Chairman but will not be restricted
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according to the person's viewpoint.
In addition to public comment being taken at
the beginning and at the end of the meeting, public
comment may be accepted after each agenda item prior to
the Board taking action. However, prior to the
commencement and conclusion of a contested case or a
quasi-judicial proceeding that may affect the due
process rights of an individual, the Board will not
consider public comment, pursuant to NRS 233B.126.
So, first off, is there any public comment
before we start the meeting?
Do we have any public comment up north?
MS. KLEMME: No, we don't.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Seeing no public comment, Mr. Ingram. Okay.
Mr. Ingram, can you give us reports and updates, please.
And, also, introduce your staff.
MR. INGRAM: Yes, sir. We'll start with the
introduction of staff. In the north, to the far left,
we have Mary Klemme. She's our Financial Specialist in
our Carson City office. To her left is Jordan Jones.
He's our investigator for the northern area. And we
have Shannon Taylor, who's our reporter today.
In the south, across and to my left is
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Swarthout, Investigator; Shelly Donald, Investigator;
Paul Maxwell, Investigator; and then we have Board
Counsel, Mr. Mike Detmer. My name's Kevin Ingram, and
I'm the Director.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. INGRAM: Following that, I did provide the
budget status report to the Board members. Do any of
you have any questions?
We are on track right now with our budget, no
problems, to include the transition from the Attorney
General's Office over to the Enterprise IT. So it says
that has gone fairly smoothly. We are ironing out a few
wrinkles, but we are completely off of the Attorney
General's website and servers now. All of our email
addresses have changed from the @ag.nv.gov to
@pilb.nv.gov with the state. The former system is gone.
So we're going to be in operation now. Our email
addresses have changed from first initial, last name
@ag.nv.gov to first initial, last name @pilb.nv.gov.
Vinny, do you want to go ahead with the
statistics?
MR. SALADINO: Yes. Investigator Saladino. So
this last go-round, from September to December, we had a
total of 50 applicants for licensure. We had two
canines, no repos, no polygraph. We had six for process
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serving, six for private investigations, 16 for private
patrol, and 20 corporate applications for either name
changes or adding corporate officers to it.
From September to December, we processed 2,687
work cards. There was a little bit of an increase due
to the Life is Beautiful event, iheart Radio, Day N
Vegas Festivals. We have 1,394 active, 971 provisional,
180 that are still pending, 76 have been withdrawn, and
76 have been denied.
So the active ones have received them, they've
been mailed, and the cards are to them.
Provisional, we're just waiting for fingerprint
reports. Right now, we're a little bit behind because
of the increase to the actual fingerprint cards that got
sent to us. You know, a lot of out-of-state folks
registered. So that kind of -- the cards, I guess, take
longer to process through the FBI repository. So that's
why we have quite a few pending.
The withdrawals, that was either they're
missing information, not following up with the
investigators. So those applications have been
withdrawn.
And then the denied ones, they're denied
pursuant to the NRS.
On the next page, outcome of complaints, we
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received a few. Most of them came in under one
particular case that we've had going. It's for a claim
they're not paying their staff properly. That then went
into an unlicensed activity and, also, a multiagency
collaboration to get the fines to that company.
And three of them, unlicensed, they came from
Las Vegas Metro, licensees reporting stuff, and work
cards.
And then we had a complaint in regards to a
work card holder. A bail bond agent had reached out to
tell us the complaint that was coming. And that was
taken care of internally.
We had a couple that we referred to Las Vegas
Metro. And we had two unlicensed PIs, that those cases
were unfounded. And one unlicensed turned into a PPO
going for licensure probably in March.
Some violations were for some license holders.
Let's see. Not properly displaying on the roster, even
after we've given time to get everything right. And we
do make ourselves available to help, help folks if you
have any trouble with your bulleting. We issued out
$1,100 in citations for violations for that. We
received $525 of that. And $575 is still outstanding.
Working without work cards, we issued 200. We
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pending.
License number not properly displayed, we've
issued out $500 in violations, and we're still waiting
to collect on that.
Working without a firearm requalifications,
that's kind of a bigger one. We have $500 outstanding
in regards to that.
Then the unlicensed activity, we had 13. We
had six of them reported by nightclubs, two reported by
licensees, one through a licensee background meeting.
One came in through a phone complaint, two by Las Vegas
Metro. And one was an on-site where we uncovered a
company that was doing security consulting. Four of
them right now are in payment plans or have made
complete payments. And we have $35,000 still pending.
Most of them, we're in talks with, hoping to get them
into either, A, get on a payment plan with us or, B, go
before the Board and get licensed here in the future.
And that's it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Vinny, I've got a
couple questions. Remind me. What does PPO stand for?
MR. SALADINO: Private patrol officer.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And then,
secondly, the security consultant, that issue, what type
of business were they consulting to? We don't need the
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name of the business. But that's a different issue.
I'm just curious.
MR. SALADINO: It was a Fortune 500 company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, okay. Here
locally?
MR. SALADINO: Here locally, yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: At one of the bigger expos.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Gotcha. All
right. Thank you.
Any other questions from the Board?
As always, thank you.
All right. I'll call for review and approve of
the transcripts from September 11th, 2019. For possible
action.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I didn't like some of
the...
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You can amend
them if you don't like them. You didn't like them, or
you didn't have the truth? There's a difference.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I'll -- are you
taking a motion?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'm taking
a motion.
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motion to approve.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We have a
motion. Is there a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we have a
second. All those in favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
opposed?
Motion carried. The transcript's accepted.
Mr. Detmer, can you swear in all the witnesses
for today, please?
MR. INGRAM: So anyone that may be testifying
today or answering questions of the Board, please stand
and raise your right hand.
MR. DETMER: Do you hereby swear or affirm to
tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth?
(All applicants and potential witnesses present
sworn/affirmed.)
MR. DETMER: Thank you. And just as a
reminder, if and when you come up and testify, please
state for the record that you are aware that you are
under oath.
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proceed. Item next, a request for exemption. Seth
Schrenzel of High Rock Security, Inc., license number
2635, is asking for the Board to grant an exemption as
outlined in the NAC 648.338. Mr. Schrenzel is
requesting that the Board allow them to hire John Craig,
an active out-of-state peace officer, for the annual
Burning Man event to be held in northern Nevada
August 20, 2020 through September 7, 2020.
Is Mr. Schrenzel here or up north?
MR. SCHRENZEL: I am, and I am aware I'm under
oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh. I'm sorry.
Okay. Tell us what you're doing and why you
want to do it this way.
MR. SCHRENZEL: Sure. So John Craig is a
college friend of mine who went on to become a federal
law enforcement officer, is currently the lead law
enforcement officer at the Shenandoah National Park in
Virginia, working for the National Park Service. He has
a long history with me. I've known him for about 15
years. I officiated his wedding for him.
I am the -- we have the contract for private
security for the annual Burning Man event. And I wanted
him to work with us last year, but because of his
federal law enforcement background, here I am
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petitioning the Board to allow him to work in the state
of Nevada as an out-of-state federal law enforcement
officer. He has no other law enforcement interests in
the state of Nevada.
So I'd like the Board to be able to grant him a
work card.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What exactly will
he be doing for your company at the event?
MR. SCHRENZEL: He'll be a standard unarmed
security guard performing standard security guard
duties.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And does
his supervisor or the -- and/or the park superintendent
know that he's applying for this, and has permission?
MR. SCHRENZEL: They do know. There's a formal
permission process that he's been through with the
Shenandoah National Park, and his supervisors have
granted him permission to work this event.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. Do we have
the documentation on that, that he's been granted?
Because we've requested that prior, with other
applicants.
MR. SCHRENZEL: I'd be happy to get that and
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provide it for you, and maybe get approval contingent
upon receiving that document.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good with that.
Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Anybody else?
Kevin, do you want to say something?
MR. INGRAM: Yes. So you mentioned that the
duties he's going to be performing are going to be
standard security officer duties. Traditionally, the
Board only grants an exemption if there is a subject
matter expert as to a certain field that's going to be
utilized in this state. They don't traditionally grant
approval for somebody that's providing standard duties.
Can you elaborate on that a little bit?
MR. SCHRENZEL: Certainly. So his primary
responsibility will be on duty, on shift as one of the
few security guards that we have at this very limited
contract. In addition, though, his background as a
federal law enforcement officer is valuable to me and my
team. Because, as I'm sure you're aware, the Burning
Man event deals with the Bureau of Land Management law
enforcement agencies. And having somebody on my team
that I can ask questions of and can provide a federal
law enforcement perspective is a valuable asset to my
team. Now, while that would not be his only and primary
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responsibility, it is the reason that I've decided to
come ask you today to allow him to work on this contract
with me.
MR. INGRAM: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any public
comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm going to make a
motion. I'll make a motion to approve Seth Schrenzel.
It is slightly out of the ordinary, but I understand
your predicament. All right. But with the contingency,
to approve. Seth Schrenzel of High Rock Security,
license number 2635, is asking the Board to grant an
exemption as outlined in NAC 648.338. Mr. Schrenzel is
requesting that the Board allow them to hire John Craig,
an active out-of-state peace officer, for the annual
Burning Man event held in northern Nevada August 30
through September 7, 2020, but on the contingency that
Mr. Schrenzel -- I'm sorry for -- my name is the same
way, so -- provide documentation from Mr. Craig's now
employer that he can work this event.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All in
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favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Okay. You just need to
get that documentation to the investigator that's on the
case or Director Ingram.
MR. SCHRENZEL: Will do. Thank you. I
appreciate your time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Good
luck to you.
All right. Next, I'm going to call for a block
vote. These are just corporate name changes, change in
corporate officers, change in qualifying agents, things
of that nature. All of them have already been through
background investigations. And the vote I'll be calling
for is items numbers 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 15, 16, 17, 18,
19, 21, 22, 23 and 24.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Chairman, I asked
you to pull item 11. But you could put it back on. And
that's a block vote, too.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We
will add number 11.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion to
approve the block vote as stated.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We have a motion
and a second for approval. Okay. Any public comment on
the block vote, either here or up north?
All right. All those in favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries.
All right. If you were amongst those numbers,
you are free to go. Congratulations on the changes of
your ownership or status of your companies. And if you
want to sit here and listen to us the rest of the day,
you're more than welcome to, also.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN IN LAS VEGAS: And you
included number 11?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We ended up
adding number 11. But at first, we didn't. But number
11 is good to go. Congratulations.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You can stay if you
want.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 13, Rancho Security Services, LLC, license number
875, is seeking member status approval for Zlata
Zujic -- and I apologize if I have trouble with these
names, and you can correct me when you come up -- and
Nenad Stojanovic. This is subject to all statutory and
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regulatory requirements. For possible action.
So are either of those people in the room? And
if so, please come to the front.
Good morning.
MS. ZUJIC: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. If
you could identify who you are. And are you with her,
sir?
MS. ZUJIC: Yes.
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Who
you guys are and what we're doing here today.
MS. ZUJIC: Yes. My name is Zlata Zujic. And
we bought Rancho Security a year ago. And we just want
to expand it so we can do the, you know, security
services.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What did you do
prior? Hold on one second.
(There was a moment off the record.)
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Just respond to
the question. What were you guys doing before this
business?
MS. ZUJIC: Oh, I have a lot of experience in
home care. And I also have a lot of experience in
businesses that are open. You know, we buy businesses
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and sell and develop them. I also have a law degree.
So I have a lot of legal experience. I don't practice.
But I do. So that's my background.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sir?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You are?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Oh, my name is Nenad
Stojanovic.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. STOJANOVIC: I'm from Europe, but I moved
here around six years ago, so.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What have you
been doing for employment for the last six years?
(There was a moment off the record.)
MR. STOJANOVIC: So my name is Nenad
Stojanovic. So I'm coming from Europe. I was doing,
for the last six years, I was in trucking business, so.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Trucking?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
Tell us about your DUI that's pending.
MR. STOJANOVIC: Okay. I got, yeah. That was
in California. It was last year.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's why I'm
concerned, because it was last year. Tell me about it.
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What happened?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Well, I hurt my leg and
playing soccer here in Las Vegas. And I went there for
therapy. And my friend was nuts to go out for a drink.
You know, and I was there with my cousin. We just
decided, because of him, he insists to go out, we went
to Hollywood. That was second time I was there. And I
decided to show him one of the -- the bar. Which the
name is Danny Trejo. That's one of the Hollywood
actors. And they were closing. And they were closing
probably around 11:30. And when we went inside, they
said, "We are about to close." And we already paid for
parking out there, like $15 or $20. And my cousin said,
"Let's go to the bar close there."
And usually I do not drink. And he doesn't
drink. But we just decided we can. But later, I found
out it's not regular beer, it's something they call
California beer, or something. I'm not really sure.
They sell it for business. We didn't know for the time.
And then the girl and one of my friends from
Belgrade, Serbia, I remember, when my cousin didn't do
well, she said she want to go home. I asked him if he
want to go to the hospital. He said, "No, no, I just
want to go home." And at that time, I just get in the
car and start driving. Which I didn't think that this
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was a good idea. That wasn't one of the best, the
biggest mistakes that I make. So.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have you been to
court on it yet?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yeah, I've been.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what --
MS. ZUJIC: He's on probation for six months.
MR. STOJANOVIC: For six months.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. You're on
probation?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes.
MS. ZUJIC: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
do you have a driver's license? You're his mom?
MS. ZUJIC: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So do you
have a current driver's license?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other
questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I have one
question of Mr. Stojanovic.
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It says that your
permanent resident card expired November 13, 2019. Has
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it been unexpired since? Because you're authorized to
work in the United States until this card expires,
granted an extension. Do you have all the documentation
to show that?
MR. STOJANOVIC: Yes, I have the second new
card.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Investigator Maxwell?
MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir. Mr. Stojanovic --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're going to
need to speak up here.
MR. MAXWELL: Yes. Mr. Stojanovic provided
documentation.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you. I
have no further questions.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other
questions from the Board?
Any public comment?
All right. I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: This is Gronauer. I'll
make a motion for approval for Rancho Security Services,
LLC, license number 875, seeking member status approval
for -- excuse me with the names -- Zlata Zujic and Nenad
Stojanovic. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
I have a second. All in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Motion carries. Congratulations.
MS. ZUJIC: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No more drinking
California beer.
MR. STOJANOVIC: I'll do my best.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 14.
Allied Private Investigations & Security Services, Inc.,
license number 2050, is seeking a corporate officer
status approval for Karl Zundel. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible
action.
Anybody here representing that?
MR. TAYLOR: I'm John Taylor.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Please come
forward, sir.
MR. TAYLOR: John Taylor, qualifying agent for
Allied Consultant Security Services, 2050.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And,
sir, do you remember you're under oath?
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MR. TAYLOR: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Tell us
what's going on.
MR. TAYLOR: I talked to Mr. Zundel about a
week ago, and he made me aware that this came up on his
background, the DUI. And he asked was it okay if he
didn't attend and that I inform, which I agreed to.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Did he
indicate why he couldn't attend?
MR. TAYLOR: No, he didn't.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And he's going to
be your qualifying agent for your company?
MR. TAYLOR: No. He's asked, and he's one of
the owners, and he's asked that he be put on as a
corporate officer with the other two owners.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
Personally, I'm concerned he's not here.
MR. TAYLOR: M-hm (affirmative).
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Especially the
fact that there was adverse information. But we'll see
how you do. But don't take offense if we decide to
postpone this until we see him in person.
MR. TAYLOR: Understood.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just have a
statement. Gronauer. I have statement that if it's not
important for him to be here, it's, you know, I have a
problem with voting on this.
MR. TAYLOR: Yeah, I talked to him,
understanding I don't know what he relayed to the
investigator, whoever had that. But from my knowledge,
it was resolved. And, I guess, he didn't -- he lives in
California, so.
MR. SWARTHOUT: So I did talk to him about the
more recent DUI. He did provide documentation that he
is on probation for that. He did say it had to do with
family members that were going through medical issues
back in Florida at the time. And he did complete all
the stuff for that probation. He did not have much
information on the first DUI out of California in 2001.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So what year was
the first one?
MR. SWARTHOUT: 2001.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And the second
one?
MR. SWARTHOUT: 2017.
MR. TAYLOR: Can I add something?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.
MR. TAYLOR: During that time, he'd lost his
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father. And he's not a drinker. In fact, I've been out
with him. He doesn't drink. But, I think, during that
time, he had some resent issues. He's a good guy. He's
been qualified before. He's been through background
checks. He was a prior school teacher. And he
contracted with his business in Florida with the CIA.
So he's been through extensive background checks. And
outside of that, I think, that's all squared away.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other
questions?
Any public comment?
All right. Call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: One more question. He has
completed all the stuff since his last DUI?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Correct.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm going to make a
motion for denial, or if he wishes to postpone it, with
their information. Allied Private Investigation &
Security Services, Incorporated, license number 2050,
seeking corporate officer approval for Karl Zundel.
This is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements.
MR. DETMER: You have to state the reason.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just don't see how we
can. And that's the reason for my motion.
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MR. TAYLOR: That's important to him. And
that's why he contacted me. But I agree.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I agree. Sir,
it's not your time. You guys are talking. We're going
through a motion right now. Thank you.
All right. So just for clarification, the
motion is for -- the motion is for --
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Postponement.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- for
postponement with their consent.
All right. So what happens, sir, is if you
don't consent to the postponement, then the only option
we have is either approval or denial. If you consent to
the postponement, we'll put this on the next agenda.
MR. TAYLOR: So are you requesting his presence
the next time?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, we would
want his presence here, based on seeing where this is
going.
I don't know. Counsel, did I describe it
adequately?
MR. DETMER: Absent, essentially, the
information, that would mean that you would have the
discretion to postpone it.
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don't need the consent?
MR. DETMER: That's my knowledge or
understanding.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's my motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I made the motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The motion is to
postpone. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We
have a second. All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. We will put this on the next agenda.
MR. TAYLOR: And just for the record, I do
agree to that, no problem, to what is necessary.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
MS. KLEMME: Excuse me. Excuse me. Hello?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes?
MS. KLEMME: Can we take about a 10-minute
break? We're having voice delay issues. And IT can
reset the video. It'll take about 10 minutes, if we
could do that.
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have a choice. So the answer's yes.
MS. KLEMME: Okay. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We're
on a 10-minute break.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We're
continuing the Private Investigator Licensing Board
meeting for December 10th.
We'll call item number 20. DJ Boss Associates
is applying for a new corporate private investigator
license. If approved, Derk J. Boss, Jr., license number
1476, is requesting that his individual license be kept
in abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
Member to be approved is Derk J. Boss, Jr. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
I'm assuming you're Mr. Boss?
MR. BOSS: Good morning. I am Derk Boss. I am
aware I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: If I could state that
the people in the audience, when I went out to -- in the
lobby out there said they can't hear. You guys can't
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hear us. So everybody's having a communication problem.
So all of us would have to speak up. Okay?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So they can hear what's
going on.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And this is our
first time here. Normally, we face out.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Right.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And that's why.
And now we're projecting across. So we're all getting
used to the new facility.
So, Mr. Boss, tell us why you're here and
what's going on.
MR. BOSS: Well, I'm here asking to qualify as
an agent. I'd like to form my company. And first off,
for some tax purposes, this would be a little bit better
for me.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And give us a
little background on the company.
MR. BOSS: DJ Boss Associates has been in
operation off and on since about 2007. I do primarily
consulting for casinos. And my background is gaming
surveillance and security. And I normally work with
them and provide them input on security and surveillance
that applies to the casino operations, gaming
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operations.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And then
the issue, the main reason you're before us is to
explain the two different bankruptcies. One was quite
some time ago, and the other one was about four years
ago.
MR. BOSS: Actually, I've only been in one
bankruptcy.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, we've got one
that was filed in December of -- I mean February 2011.
MR. BOSS: M-hm (affirmative).
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, it was
together.
MR. BOSS: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My apologies.
MR. BOSS: That's okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It was the same
one, sir. My apologies. That's on me.
MR. BOSS: No worries. And so about -- I'm
sorry. So I started my business in 2008. And as we all
know, 2008 is when everything went to heck in Las Vegas.
I had just left my job as vice president over at the
local properties and for the prime purpose of starting
this business. And, of course, it was based on training
and consulting with casinos. And they were not
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interested at that point.
So I went through my 401(k), trying to, you
know, keep things up and support my family. You know,
at the end of the year, year and a half of trying, you
know, I'd spent all of my money. I couldn't do it. Our
homes were struggling. So I had to go back to work.
But it wasn't in time. I had to go back to work out of
state to, you know, make it up. And so I, you know,
filed the bankruptcy. And I, you know, filed one where
I had to pay the debt that I had and reduce it, but I
would have had to pay a lot, and they discharged it.
And so here I am today, you know. I had a
couple taxes, too, mostly of my own fault. You know, I
had planned to work to keep my company going, keep it
afloat. And I expected that our -- the taxes that were
withheld from my wife's and mine's salaries would cover
the taxes of what I made. Because I wasn't making very
much out of the PI business. And but that, it was good
and not good, good and bad. Because I did start getting
business. And so at the end of the year, I got myself
caught, you know, with not being able to fund the taxes
like I should have done.
So I had to learn my lesson and had to -- now I
pay it properly, and I'm on a payment plan and have been
for all this time, and it's up-to-date. And I don't
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intend to go there again.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Zach, anything to add?
MR. SWARTHOUT: No, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, Mr. Boss. It's
Boss?
MR. BOSS: That's it. No pun intended.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Our investigation was
done by our investigator. October 10th is the report,
October 10th, 2019. Okay?
MR. BOSS: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And it says you're on a
payment plan.
MR. BOSS: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just asked that
question. I don't have to ask you. I'll ask our
investigator. Do we follow up with that, like every
license that -- or we approve something, do we follow up
that he's following all the payment plans?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Most of the time, they keep
providing us info to keep it up. I myself haven't had
anybody that had this issue. I assume we would keep it
up and make sure that they're keeping up with everything
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else.
MR. BOSS: I can certainly provide that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, you know, that's
fine. I'm just, I'm just trying, for my own knowledge
here right now. Well, you provided those documents.
And those documents that you provided in October,
October 10th, were all the things on October 10th?
MR. BOSS: Correct.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And then it
goes; how long does this stay for, how long?
MR. BOSS: It's, I think, it's like five years
that I have to pay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Five more years?
MR. BOSS: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.
MR. BOSS: Hopefully, sooner than that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you.
That's all I have.
MR. BOSS: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. If no
other questions, any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make it.
Gronauer. I'll make the motion to approved DJ Boss
Associates, applying for a new corporate private
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investigator license. If approved, Derk J. Boss, Jr.,
license number 1476, is requesting that his individual
license be kept in abeyance so that he may become the
qualifying agent. Member to be approved is Derk J.
Boss, Jr. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. I have a second. Any further
discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Motion carries. Congratulations. Good luck to
you.
MR. BOSS: My thanks to the Board. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you, sir.
All right. Number 25. Private Eyes Screening
Group Incorporated is applying for a new corporate
private investigator license. Sandra L. James is
applying for an individual private investigator license.
If approved, she is requesting that her individual
license be placed into abeyance so that she may become
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the qualifying agent. Corporate officer to be approved
is Sandra L. James. This is subject to all statutory
and regulatory requirements. For the possible action.
Good morning, Ms. James.
MS. JAMES: Good morning. I'm Sandra James.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you're aware
you're under oath?
MS. JAMES: Yes, I'm aware I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Tell us
why you're here and what you're doing.
MS. JAMES: I have owned a Private Eyes Inc. in
California for the last 20 years. And so, a year ago, I
started Private Eyes Screening Group in Nevada to move,
to hire more people in Nevada, to move out my corporate
office out of California. I still have Private Eyes
Inc. in California. But I would like to move to Nevada,
as it's a more business-friendly state, and hire more
people here.
And Private Eyes is background screening,
employment, preimposed employment screening.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I also --
and the investigator on this is?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Investigator Swarthout.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Wow, you are busy
this morning. If I'm reading this correctly, she's got
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an outstanding citation for unlicensed activity?
MR. SWARTHOUT: It has been dealt with and paid
for.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well,
then, why don't you tell us about the background there
on that.
MR. SWARTHOUT: So it was dealing with the
office and advertising certain services in California.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're going to
need to speak up, because I'm having trouble hearing
you.
MR. SWARTHOUT: Okay. So it was dealing with
the office out here. It's in the state. Some of the
services are stuff that is deemed to be not public
record and that out here, which would require them to be
licensed to advertise those services out here.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So if I
understand you correctly, they were advertising to do
services that are covered under approval of license?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But we don't know
whether they did those services or not, they were cited
for the advertisement of it?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Ms. James,
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do you want to respond to that just for our edification?
MS. JAMES: Sure. Last year, I bought a
building in Reno, Nevada to -- and so this year, we had
to build out the building, and we started to. And I
have another business here called 4506Transcripts.com.
And with that business, we have had that business in
Nevada for some time. And we verify people's income
with the IRS by getting the tax transcripts.
So when we got the building complete this year,
we moved into it. And I did advertise on my website the
new address that we have, the Reno location. And so
it's Private Eyes Inc. and Private Eyes Screening. So
on our website we added Private Eyes Screening Group to
it, and we have the -- had the Reno address. And when I
was requested to remove it, I did so the same day.
We're not, we were not actually conducting any
investigations in Nevada at this time. But I do have
staff that I'm paying for 4506 for insurance purposes,
for health insurance. I am paying that staff for 4506
now through Private Eyes Screening Group.
So I am a hundred percent owner of all three
entities.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MS. JAMES: So I did pay the citation and
remove the advertisement from our website.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you.
All right. My questions are answered. Any
other questions of the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have one question for
the investigator. Through your investigative prowess,
was there a way to find out about how long this was
being advertised? I mean you found out one time. But
the time period, back in time?
MR. SWARTHOUT: There was not.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How did you figure it
out?
MS. JAMES: I can respond to that.
MR. SWARTHOUT: A post.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: They did post
something? All right. Hold on. If they did posting,
I'm just trying to figure out if they did posting.
MR. SWARTHOUT: It was through the website and
social media. I tried going back to see if I could see
that there was date stamps on that, and I could not find
date stamps for any updates.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Ms. James, go
ahead, respond, please.
MS. JAMES: Yeah, I started, I put the -- when
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we moved into the building in Reno is when we added the
address to our website. That's when we added our Reno
address to social media, was in June of this year.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And a
citation was issued?
MR. SWARTHOUT: October 30th.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So depending on
the date, either three or four months.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're good?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have nothing.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tammy?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'm good. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
public comment?
All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a
motion.
Call for a motion for the second time.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll make a motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we approve
Private Eyes Screening Group Inc. for a new corporate
private investigator license. Sandra L. James is
applying for an individual private investigator license.
If approved, she is requesting that her individual
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license be placed in abeyance so that she may become the
qualifying agent. Corporate officer to be approved is
Sandra L. James. Subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
So we can move this forward and at least have
some discussion on the vote, I will second this.
Any public comment?
Any comment from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. Gronauer. I
have a problem with it, only because Ms. James has been
in business a long time in California, for quite a
period of time, and she'd be, I would consider her to be
familiar with the laws and our statutes here for private
investigators licenses. And I'm just, I'm disturbed by
that she was doing -- she opened an office, she did
everything back in June, at least, of 2019, and didn't
do anything until an investigation was started. And it
just, it just bothers me, that's all, that they were
operating without a license for that long period.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, this is Ray
Flynn, for the record.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's my assessment.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. And maybe
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I heard something slightly different. And I'm going to
look to the investigator to figure out which way we're
going on this. I heard that she had been doing work in
Nevada that wasn't under the purview of a license. And
she had opened up a new building in Nevada for her
business. That her website, that is both in California
and here, she added the address to her website of the
security licensing that she's doing in California. It
was the issue of the address for advertising business.
Although we have no documentation to prove the
allegation that she was doing unlicensed activity in the
state of Nevada. Is that correct?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All is we have is
that she advertised?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And she explained
that she advertised because they added the address of
her brand-new building to her website?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That's why
I don't have an issue. It was brought to her attention.
She probably paid the fine. She probably, well, applied
for licensing. She probably took down the
advertisement. I see it as there was no evidence of her
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trying to circumvent the system.
So without anything said, I'll call for a vote.
All those in favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Those opposed?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Motion
carries on a two-to-one vote. Congratulations,
Ms. James.
MS. JAMES: Thank you very much. Have a great
day.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 26, Zachary -- I'm going to try this, Daigle --
Daigle is applying for an individual private
investigator license. If approved, he is requesting
that his individual license be placed into abeyance so
that he may become the qualifying agent for PreCheck,
Incorporated, license number 1618. Corporate officers
to be approved are Bruce E. Berger, Michael J. Kucza and
James C. Owens. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
And you are, sir?
MR. DAIGLE: I'm Zachary Daigle.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you're aware
you're under oath?
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MR. DAIGLE: I understand I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Bring us
up-to-date. Why are you here?
MR. DAIGLE: So I've been with PreCheck about
16 years now. The company was recently sold to the
original founder, Barbara C. Sardon, who was the
qualifying agent previously, is no longer with the
company. And so I was corporate officer before for
PreCheck. And today I'm asking for approval to get my
private investigator license and ask that it can be
placed into abeyance for PreCheck.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: There's three people on
this. This is Gronauer. There's three people on this
application. Are the other two people coming in for
licensing?
MR. DAIGLE: So it was my understanding that
today's agenda item was only for me. So they -- no
additional members. I think, they felt the process
would follow for them.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No problem.
MR. DAIGLE: Contingent on my process.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you.
MR. DAIGLE: Yes, sir.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I'll make a
motion to approve. Zachary Daigle is applying for an
individual private investigator license. If approved,
he is requesting that his individual license be placed
into abeyance so that he can become the qualifying agent
for PreCheck, Incorporated, license number 1618.
Corporate officers to be approved are Bruce E. Berger,
Michael J. Kucza and James C. Owen. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any further
discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Motion carries. Congratulations.
MR. DAIGLE: Thank you very much for your time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 27. Geoffrey Hazard is applying for an
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individual private investigator's license. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
Mr. Hazard, are you here?
MR. HAZARD: Yes. Good morning. I'm Geoffrey
Hazard, and I'm aware that I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh. Thank you.
Good morning. All right. Tell us about your business
and what you want to do.
MR. HAZARD: Sure. My company is a fire
investigation company based in California. We've been
around since 1977. I'm one of the managing partners.
And up until recently, we had an employee that lived in
Reno, who was a licensed private investigator, who had
been performing our fire investigation work in the state
of Nevada. He left the company over the summer to start
his own company. So that created a void in our ability
to do services here in the state. And so the board of
my company asked me to obtain a private investigation
license so that we could fill that void and continue
doing work in the state.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. How
do you pronounce our state's name?
MR. HAZARD: I'm sorry?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How do you say
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our state?
MR. HAZARD: "Neh-vah-dah."
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
It's "Neh-vad-ah."
MR. HAZARD: It's "Neh-vad-ah." I'm sorry.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: If you're going
to be licensed, no problem, I just want to point it out
if you're going to be licensed here.
MR. HAZARD: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
I have no other questions. Any questions from the
Board?
Call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we approve
Geoffrey Hazard for his individual private
investigator's license. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do I have
a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any public
comment?
All right. Seeing none, I have a motion and a
second. All those in favor?
(Board members said "aye.")
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. Mr. Hazard, congratulations. You have a
license in the state of Nevada.
MR. HAZARD: "Neh-vaud-ah." Thank you.
"Neh-vad-ah." I'll get it, I promise. Thank you, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Have a
good day.
MR. HAZARD: Thank you. You, too.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 28.
Pharaohs, LLC is applying for a new corporate private
patrolman license. Mina G. Boules is applying for an
individual private patrolman license. If approved, he
is requesting that his individual license be placed into
abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
Member to be approved is Mina G. Boules. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
Good morning, Mr. Boules.
MR. BOULES: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware
you're under oath?
MR. BOULES: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware
you're under oath?
MR. BOULES: I'm aware of that.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So tell us
about your company.
MR. BOULES: So I experience, and I have a law
degree. So I have experience in law and security
industry. So I have decided to start off my own
security company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you worked for
other security companies before?
MR. BOULES: I worked for many.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Many?
MR. BOULES: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any questions
from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Are you currently working
in Nevada?
MR. BOULES: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Boules, do you
currently have a work card?
MR. BOULES: No. Because I can't hire anyone
until, like I said, we first start out the company.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, no, do you have a
work card to work for all these security companies as a
security officer? They're all in California, none in
Nevada?
MR. BOULES: No, some of them in Nevada.
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MR. SWARTHOUT: Board Member Gronauer, he does
have an active work card in the state of the Nevada.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. We just have a
communication problem, then. Thank you. I appreciate
that. I'm good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions from the Board?
Okay. Seeing none, any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. I mean I'll
call for a motion. My apologies.
MR. BOULES: The company name is Pharaoh
Security Services, not Pharaoh, LLC. That's the
corporate name, Pharaoh, LLC. Oh, okay.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll make a motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Pharaohs, LLC, who is
applying for a new corporate private patrolman license,
Mina G. --
MR. BOULES: Boules ("Bohls").
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- Boules is applying for
an individual private patrolman license. If approved,
he is requesting that his individual license be placed
in abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
Member to be approved is Mina G. Boules. He would be
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Motion and second. Any further discussion?
All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a vote.
All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
All right. Congratulations.
MR. BOULES: Thank you for your time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Number 29.
Apex Security Group, Incorporated is applying for a new
corporate private patrolman license. Robert G. Brockway
is applying for an individual private patrolman license.
If approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may become
the qualifying agent. Corporate officers to be approved
are Robert G. Brockway and Paul S. Erickson. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
Good morning. And you are?
MR. BROCKWAY: I'm Robert G. Brockway, and I
understand I'm under oath.
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enough. Thank you. All right. Tell us what you want
to do.
MR. BROCKWAY: Apex, their license, and we
operate out of the state of California, are licensed in
other states also, for the past 20 years. And our main
clients are with the NFL, NBA and the major league
soccer. And I'd like to be able to get my license here
to continue working with the NFL.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll make a motion. I
move that we approve Apex Security Group, Inc., who is
applying for a new corporate private patrolman license.
Robert G. Brockway is applying for an individual private
patrolman license. If approved, he is requesting that
his individual license be placed in abeyance so that he
may become the qualifying agent. Corporate officers to
be approved are Robert G. Brockway and Paul Erickson.
This is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any further
discussion?
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Seeing none, all those in favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Congratulations.
MR. BROCKWAY: Thank you very much.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 30.
Resolve Assurance LLC is applying for a new corporate
patrolman license. Timothy A. Cook is applying for an
individual private patrolman license. If approved, he's
requesting that his individual license be placed into
abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
Members to be approved are Timothy A. Cook and Tucker L.
Stokely. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
Good morning, sir. And you are?
MR. COOK: I'm Timothy Cook, sir. I'm aware
I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
Tell us about your company and what you want to do.
MR. COOK: The company was established in 2019,
the business. I want to, basically, establish myself
and my partner as the qualifying agents for the company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And your
background?
MR. COOK: I'm currently an executive in the
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hotel-casino industry. Prior to that, 24 years in the
Air Force.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you for
your service.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's the Air Force.
MR. COOK: Also, my partner is an ex-Marine
Beret. It's the Army.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I got to deal
with this.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you a Marine? I
don't think...
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. A
little punchy today. It's the holiday season.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And he's hungry.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
questions from the Board?
Seeing none, any public comment?
All right. I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move to
approve Resolve Assurance LLC, who is applying for a new
corporate private patrolman license. Timothy A. Cook is
applying for an individual private patrolman license.
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If approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed in abeyance so that he may become the
qualifying agent. Members to be approved are Timothy A.
Cook and Tucker L. Stokely. This would be subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any further
discussion?
All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. The motion carried. Congratulations,
sir.
MR. COOK: Thank you very much.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And thank you for your
service.
MR. COOK: Thank you, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 31.
Contingency Concepts, LLC is applying for a new
corporate private patrolman license. Paschal Facchini
is applying for an individual private patrolman license.
If approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may become
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the qualifying agent. Members to be approved are
Paschal Facchini, Peter J. Facchini and Brett M.
Krueger. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
Good morning. And you are?
MR. FACCHINI: Paschal Facchini.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So I got it
right?
MR. FACCHINI: It's close.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Close. All
right. Tell us about your company and what you want to
do.
MR. FACCHINI: So Contingency Concepts is with
my son Peter. And we're looking to establish security
services within the Las Vegas area. I've actually
pulled out of retirement to hold this license because of
my law enforcement background as well as spending 18
years in contract work in security.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And where were
you in law enforcement, sir?
MR. FACCHINI: I was with the Port Authority of
New York and New Jersey.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Excellent.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
questions from the Board?
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All right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I have a
question. Gronauer. What position does Brett Krueger
have in the company?
MR. FACCHINI: He's the operations manager. My
son Peter as well as Brett are both retired military,
special operations command. And they export an interest
in utilizing individuals from that part of the service
to provide service in this area, security in this area.
And that's how we came upon finding an interest in those
services.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Krueger's not here.
I had some concern with some of his arrest records. And
I don't know if our Investigator Maxwell, if you can
elaborate on this.
MR. MAXWELL: Just that the applicant, he
listed five arrests. And once we got the fingerprints
back, the fingerprints only showed two arrests. Both of
these were in 2003. One was a failure to appear, a
misdemeanor. There was a warrant achieved, but that was
taken care of. And then the other one was a minor in
possession of alcohol and crimes against person, a
misdemeanor, no disposition on the fingerprint report.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Minor in possession, so
that's been a little while ago.
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MR. MAXWELL: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. So there's time
and distance here. I was just trying to figure out.
Okay. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But just for the
record, neither was a felony, and neither involved a
weapon?
MR. MAXWELL: No, sir. Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And there's going to be an
office here?
MR. FACCHINI: Yes, we will establish an office
here, yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What year did you
graduate John J.?
MR. FACCHINI: Actually, 1997. So it will be
20 years.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. I
graduated John J., also.
Any public comment?
All right. I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I'll make a
motion. Contingency Concepts, LLC is applying for a new
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corporate private patrolman license. Paschal Facchini
is applying for an individual private patrolman license.
If approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may become
the qualifying agent. Members to be approved are
Paschal Facchini, Peter J. Facchini and Brett M.
Krueger. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements.
MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record. I'm
sorry. Board Member Gronauer, that was a motion to
approve; is that correct?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I said it in the
beginning, yes, sir.
MR. DETMER: I missed it.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Young years, I know.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
further discussion?
All right. All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members aid "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. Congratulations, sir.
MR. FACCHINI: Thank you for your time.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have a good
day.
Okay. Number 32, Victor M. Garcia, applying
for an individual private patrolman license. If
approved, he is requesting that his individual license
be placed into abeyance so that he may become the
qualifying agent for Thomas Protective Services, Inc.,
license number 1309. This is subject to all statutory
and regulatory requirements. For possible action.
Good morning, sir. You are?
MR. GARCIA: I'm Victor Garcia.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you're aware
you're under oath, sir?
MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell
us about the business and what you want to do.
MR. GARCIA: Basically, we want to expand our
business within the state. I have been hired by a
company that's from Texas and chosen to be a qualifying
agent. And we want to expand our business here in the
state of Nevada. I've been chosen to be the qualifying
agent. That's why I'm here.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you.
Any questions of the Board?
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have a question.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'll beat you to
it.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: There's one
arrest in your record.
MR. GARCIA: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you want to
talk about that?
MR. GARCIA: Sure.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It happened back when I
was 19, young and, obviously, immature. My wife and I
were just having a discussion. The neighbor called the
cops. The cops showed up. They assumed that I had
physically harmed my wife. I was detained for the rest
of that day. Once the misunderstanding was verified, I
was let go. I wasn't charged with a misdemeanor or
felony or anything like that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The investigator
on this is?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Investigator Swarthout.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. The
applicant is saying he was detained. The report says he
was arrested. I know that sometimes it's word usage
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issue. But what do you know about the issue, the
incident?
MR. SWARTHOUT: It was on the fingerprint, so I
believe that he would have been taken in and booked.
But that's all it gives me.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. There was
no -- and that was 10 years ago, correct?
MR. GARCIA: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have nothing
else since?
MR. GARCIA: And they chose not to prosecute.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: They chose not to
prosecute. Okay. Are you still married to the same
woman?
MR. GARCIA: Oh, yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
don't have any other questions.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll make a motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I need to. Any
public comment?
Okay. I don't want to be in the papers.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. I'll make a motion.
Victor M. Garcia is applying for an individual patrolman
license. I move we approve his request and that we
place his individual license into abeyance so that he
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may become the qualifying agent for Thomas Protective
Services, Inc., license number 1309. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Congratulations.
MR. GARCIA: Thank you very much. Have a good
day.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 33. Chaos Security, LLC is applying for a new
corporate private patrolman license. William D. Ledford
is applying for an individual private patrolman license.
If approved, he is requesting that the individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may become
the qualifying agent. Members to be approved are
William D. Ledford and Stephen W. Kenny. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
Who do we got?
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MR. LEDFORD: I'm William D. Ledford, and I am
aware I'm under oath.
MR. KENNY: Stephen Kenny. I'm aware I'm under
oath as well.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I got to ask this
question. You know I'm going to ask this. Who came up
with this name, and why?
MR. KENNY: That was me.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Explain why anyone would hire a company called Chaos.
MR. KENNY: Yeah. So it's actually a -- it's
the same name, that I have a few other companies that
are named the same, Chaos and whatever the industry it
is. And so, at the end of the day, I was just more
focused on getting to the next step as in a security
company instead of thinking about the names and whatnot.
And so I stuck with what was comfortable with me, and I
stuck with that name.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, well, that
actually makes sense when you said you've got other
companies. And what businesses are the other companies?
MR. KENNY: Mortgage banking and real estate.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What type of
banking?
MR. KENNY: Mortgage banking.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
What type of security do you want to do?
MR. KENNY: We want to do, we want to work with
companies, like my companies that I have. You know,
certainly, the concept was the office that I work out
of, it's -- now it's downtown Las Vegas, which is a
little bit of a -- it's a nice area, but it's a little
bit rough there. So we want to have, you know,
full-time security. And my mother's businesses are
similar, and it would need that type of service. So by
being able to handle that in the companies that I
already have a -- that I already have ownership over,
kind of get our guys trained on, hope to be able to
offer those services to our people. And it's a way to
build our security company while I was being able to
train, train our people, you know, with using the
company that I already have.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So if I
understand correctly, you want to do your own in-house
security?
MR. KENNY: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You'd want the
license so that after you get your in-house security up
and running, then you can also contract outside?
MR. KENNY: Exactly, yes.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
Any other questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion to
approve. Gronauer. I'll make a motion to approve.
Chaos Security, LLC, is applying for a new corporate
private patrolman license. William D. Ledford is
applying for an individual private patrolman license.
If approved, he's requesting that his individual license
be placed into abeyance so that he may become the
qualifying agent. Members to be approved are William D.
Ledford and Stephen W. Kenny. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do I have
a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second. You'll do the
public?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'll do that
every time.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So it just flows
better in the transcript. All right. I have a motion.
I have a second. But I will call for any public
comment.
Seeing none, is there any other, further
discussion on the motion?
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Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members aid "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
All right. Motion carried. Congratulations,
gentlemen.
MR. LEDFORD: Thank you.
MR. KENNY: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you
guys. Have a good one.
All right. Number 34. Arne Ogaard is applying
for an individual private patrolman license. If
approved, he's requesting that his individual license be
placed into abeyance so that he may become the
qualifying agent for Five Diamond Screening, LLC,
license number 2787. This is subject to all statutory
and regulatory requirements. For possible action.
Good morning.
MR. OGAARD: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What's your name?
MR. OGAARD: Arne Ogaard.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Are
you aware you're under oath, sir?
MR. OGAARD: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What pin are you
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wearing?
MR. OGAARD: LAPD.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Retired out of
there?
MR. OGAARD: I'm sorry?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Did you retire?
MR. OGAARD: I did, but not from LAPD. I was
on LAPD. And after LAPD, I retired, honorably retired.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, just retirement.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well,
thank you for your service. All right. So tell us why
you're here and what you want to do with this company.
MR. OGAARD: Well, I'm a licensed private
investigator in California.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're going to
need to speak up.
MR. OGAARD: Okay. I'm sorry.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: For not only us,
but the lady up north.
MR. OGAARD: Yes. I'm a licensed private
investigator for the state of California and Nevada.
And I'm mostly in California. Two and a half years ago,
I moved here. And our company, Five Diamond Screening,
wants to get into the hospitality industry. They have
been asked to go ahead and provide security for certain
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locations. And so I want to go ahead and get licensed
for the private patrol. I have been a private patrol
operator in California for a number of years; I think,
17, from 1983 through 1999.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
I don't have any questions. Anybody else?
Okay. Any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
How would you like to us pronounce your last
name?
MR. OGAARD: "Oh-gard."
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Ogaard. This is Nixon. I
make a motion that Arne Ogaard, who is applying for a
private patrol license, be approved. He is requesting
that his individual license be placed into abeyance so
that he may become the qualifying agent for Five Diamond
Screening, LLC, license number 2787. This would be
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
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(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Congratulations.
MR. OGAARD: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.
MR. OGAARD: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 35. SRS Protection, Incorporated is applying for
a new corporate private patrolman license. James A.
Rita is applying for an individual private patrolman
license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual license be placed into abeyance so that he
may become the qualifying agent. Corporate officers to
be approved are James A. Rita and Robin A. Neubert.
This is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. For possible action.
Good morning to you.
MR. RITA: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you are?
MR. RITA: James A. Rita, and I understand I'm
under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good enough.
Tell us what you're here for and what you want to do
with this company.
MR. RITA: Okay. We've been licensed by the
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State of California for several years. We're also
licensed in other states as well. We feel that Nevada
would be a good fit to expand our company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what type of
security do you guys do?
MR. RITA: We do a lot of executive protection,
workplace violence, kind of hiring stuff.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. RITA: We recently -- I also want to bring
out that we were recently approved for the GSA federal
security contract here as well.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
don't have any other questions.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: None.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
public comment?
All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a
motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Nixon. I move that SRS
Protection, Inc. be approved for a new corporate private
patrolman license. James A. Rita is applying for an
individual private patrolman license. If approved, he
is requesting that his individual license be placed into
abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
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Robert, or I'm sorry, Robin A. Neubert. This is subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I got a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
Seeing none, call for a vote. All those in
favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Congratulations to you,
sir.
MR. RITA: Thank you. Have a good day.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 36.
The Stonewall Viper Group, Incorporated, dba as
The Company, is applying for a new corporate private
patrolman license. Gregory S. Rodriguez is applying for
an individual private patrolman license. If approved,
he's requesting that his individual license be placed
into abeyance so that he may become the qualifying
agent. Corporate officers to be approved are Gregory S.
Rodriguez and David S. Chandler. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible
action.
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Good morning, gentlemen.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Good morning, sir.
MR. CHANDLER: Good morning, sir. My name is
David Chandler. I'm aware I'm under oath.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Last name is Rodriguez. First
name is Gregory. I'm aware I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I always
ask about development. Okay. I know that yours -- what
yours is.
And yours is?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: I'm retired LAPD, 35 years now.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell
me what you want to do.
MR. CHANDLER: We'd like to get licensed in
Nevada. We're currently licensed in California. And we
provide executive protection for Fortune 10 companies.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Fortune 10?
MR. CHANDLER: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Wow. I'm just
trying to think of something funny to come back with.
That's all it was. All right. Any other questions?
All right. Any public comment?
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Seeing none, I'll entertain -- and I'll
entertain a motion, yes.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve The Stonewall Viper Group, Inc., dba,
doing business as, The Company. They are applying for a
new corporate private patrolman license. Gregory S.
Rodriguez is applying for an individual private
patrolman license. If approved, he is requesting that
his individual license be placed in abeyance so that he
may become the qualifying agent. Corporate officers to
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Seeing none, the motion carries.
Congratulations, gentlemen.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you very much. You guys
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have a great day.
MR. CHANDLER: Thank you.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: When did you retire
from L.A.?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Nine years ago. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.
MR. CHANDLER: Thanks, guys.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 38. Oh,
my apologies. Number 37. Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. is
applying for an individual private patrolman license.
If approved, he is requesting that his individual
license be placed into abeyance so that he may become
the qualifying agent for American Guard Services, Inc.,
license number 1364. This is subject to all statutory
and regulatory requirements. For possible action.
Good morning.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Good morning, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you are?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Joe Rodriguez.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware
you're under oath?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: I'm aware.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell us about
your company and what you want to do.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: I come from a company in
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California. The corporate office has been based there
since '97. I moved out here to Nevada. I've been here
since March. And just trying to get my license back
here, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What have you
been doing for employment since March?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: I've been working with the
Raiders, Turnberry, Kroger. These are the main
companies out here that we work with.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you have a
work card?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, okay. All
right. I misunderstood.
All right. Any other questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have a work card
for Nevada?
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. No, I'm good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any public
comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion that
we approve. Joe R. Rodriguez, Jr. is applying for an
individual private patrolman license. If approved, he
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is requesting that his individual be license be placed
into abeyance so that he is may become the qualifying
agent for American Guard Services, Inc., license number
1364. This is subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
Do I have a second?
Any further discussion? I have a motion. Oh,
I don't have a second. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any further
discussion?
Seeing none, I will call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Seeing none, the motion carried.
Congratulations, sir. You have a good day.
MR. RODRIGUEZ: Thank you, sir. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 38.
Jason C. Sullivan, dba Tahoe Life Security. It makes
sense. Tahoe. Okay.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah, I got that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: In police work,
we call that a clue. Okay. Is applying for an
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individual private patrolman license. This is subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements. For
possible action.
Good morning. I'm assuming -- or who are you?
MR. SULLIVAN: I'm Jason Sullivan.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. You're
aware you're under oath, sir?
MR. SULLIVAN: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Tell us
about your company and what you would like to do, sir.
MR. SULLIVAN: I own Tahoe Life Security in the
state of California. Currently, we're providing armed
security and unarmed security on the state line. I've
lived in Carson City for approximately a year. And I
want to branch out to Nevada.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you.
Any questions from the Board?
Okay. All right. Seeing none, any public
comment, either here or up north?
All right. I will call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move we
approve Jason C. Sullivan, dba Tahoe Life Security, for
his individual private patrolman license. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. The motion carries. Congratulations,
sir. Have a good day.
MR. SULLIVAN: Thank you, sir. Have a good
one.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 39. Priority 1 Protective Services Nevada LLC is
applying for a new corporate private patrolman license.
Parth Thaker is applying for an individual private
patrolman license. If approved, he is requesting that
his individual license be placed into abeyance so that
he may become the qualifying agent. Members to be
approved are Parth Thaker, Judy Weiser and Glen A.
Jacobsen. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
And you are?
MR. THAKER: I'm Parth Thaker. I'm aware I'm
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under oath.
MR. JACOBSEN: I'm Glen Jacobsen. I'm aware
I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good enough.
Your lapel pin, sir, is that your company?
MR. THAKER: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. What
do you guys want to do here in Nevada?
MR. THAKER: So we are a security company based
out of New York. And we recently expanded in New Jersey
and Indiana. And now we're looking to expand in Nevada
as well, Illinois, California. So we're looking to open
a branch here. It's to provide security service in
retail and residential buildings. So I'll be the
qualifying officer for this branch.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Is your
background in security?
MR. THAKER: I have 20 years security
background and master's degree in national security.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you.
Any other questions?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you for being
here.
I'm going to go to our investigator on this one
here. And it must be Zachary Swarthout, on the adverse
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information that you found in your investigation report
on Mr. Jacobsen.
MR. SWARTHOUT: On the question "Have you ever
been arrested?" he did disclose, and he did provide
paperwork on it.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Somewhere I must have
missed something.
MR. SWARTHOUT: It was a November 9th, 2011
arrest back in New York City for menacing in the second
degree. That was reduced down to the lesser charge of
disorderly conduct.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So it's a misdemeanor?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: 2011. When you get
arrested in New York City for pot -- I don't know what
the original charge of menacing, I don't know what that
means. Can you elaborate on that?
MR. JACOBSEN: Sure. Sure. This was when I
had taken over there. When I got there, I found some
serious misconduct going on. And I had begun the
process of suspending and terminating a subordinate
officer. And what I was charged with did not occur.
This, I believe, was done as an act of retaliation
against me as the commanding officer. And on the advice
of my attorney back at the time, he says to me, "You
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will not get a fair trial here in Bronx. They're
offering a plea to disorderly conduct, which is a lesser
charge." And I accepted it. And it was conditionally
discharged. And I'd never had anything before or after
that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Where were you a
police officer?
MR. JACOBSEN: I started in New York City in
1984. And shortly thereafter, I transferred to a job in
one of the suburbs, where I worked, and I retired as the
chief of police there in 2006.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Very good. Thank you,
Mr. Jacobsen.
MR. JACOBSEN: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. I have
nothing further.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions?
All right. Okay. I'm good. Any public
comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm make a motion to
approve Priority 1 Protective Services Nevada LLC,
applying for a new corporate private patrolman license.
Parth Thaker is applying for an individual private
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patrolman license. If approved, he is requesting that
his individual license be placed into abeyance so that
he may become the qualifying agent. Members to be
approved are Parth Thaker, Judy Weiser and Glen A.
Jacobsen. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion
and a second. Any further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
All right. The motion carries.
Congratulations.
MR. THAKER: Thank you.
MR. JACOBSEN: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 40.
Kenneth M. VanRemortel is applying for an individual
private patrolman license. If approved, he's requesting
that his individual license be placed into abeyance so
that he may become the qualifying agent for Pinkerton
Consulting & Investigations Inc., license number 1029.
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Subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
And you are, sir?
MR. VANREMORTEL: I am Ken VanRemortel.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you're aware
you're under oath?
MR. VANREMORTEL: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell
us about your company and what you want to do here.
MR. VANREMORTEL: I represent Securitas
Security Services. We're the parent company of
Pinkerton Consulting & Investigations. And I am wishing
to become the qualifying agent for Pinkerton in the
state of Nevada.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Quickly, your background.
MR. VANREMORTEL: I have 23 years of experience
in security, specifically in California and here in
Nevada. I've been here in Nevada five years. And the
balance of that time was back in California, the same
company, essentially for all that time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other
questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you currently
licensed in Nevada?
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MR. VANREMORTEL: Yes, I am.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. For what?
MR. VANREMORTEL: I am with Securitas, and I
have a guard card. I have a guard card.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions?
Seeing none, any comments from the public?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve Kenneth M. --
MR. VANREMORTEL: VanRemortel.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- VanRemortel -- thank
you --
MR. VANREMORTEL: You're welcome.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- for an individual
private patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be placed in
abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent for
Pinkerton Consulting & Investigations Inc., license
number 1029. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Motion and
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second. Any further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The motion
carries unanimously. Congratulations. It's approved.
MR. VANREMORTEL: Thank you very much.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.
MR. VANREMORTEL: You too. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 41.
Jeffery W. Bruckner is applying for an individual
process server license. If approved, he is requesting
that his individual license be placed into abeyance so
that he may become the qualifying agent for ProDox,
L.L.C., license number 1710. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible
action.
Good morning.
MR. BRUCKNER: Jeffery Bruckner, and I'm aware
I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good
enough. Tell us about your company and what you want to
do.
MR. BRUCKNER: ProDox is a document retrieval
company. We provide support to primarily insurance
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defense firms. We basically get documentation for them.
And, well, I've been with them since 2004. And I'm
trying to be the qualifying agent.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Fair
enough. Short and sweet. I don't have any questions.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have no questions.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any public
comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that Jeffery W. Bruckner be approved for an individual
process server license. If approved, he is requesting
that his individual license be placed into abeyance so
that me may become the qualifying agent for ProDox,
L.L.C., license number 1710. This is subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I got a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor of the motion, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. Congratulations.
MR. BRUCKNER: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.
MR. BRUCKNER: Have a good day. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 43,
Gene L. Jacobson, dba -- oh, no. My apologies.
Number 42. HES-Hurricane Eviction Services, LLC is
applying for a new corporate process server license.
Maria D. Buck is applying for an individual process
server license. If approved, she is requesting that her
individual license be placed into abeyance so that she
may become the qualifying agent. Member to be approved
is Maria D. Buck. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
Good morning.
MS. BUCK: Good morning. I'm Maria Buck, and I
know I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you. What would you like to do with your license if we
give it to you?
MS. BUCK: Actually, I obtained a small
business for evictions in 2013. And since then, the
regulations changed. And July 1st of this year, I have
to put a stop for my business for a minute until I can
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get the license and continue my services.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I guess,
do we know about the change?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, yeah. July 1st.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Just for me, so I
know in the future, what is it?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Landlords cannot, to
simplify, landlords cannot serve their own process.
They have to be served by a licensed private process
server or an attorney. And an attorney has a law degree
that says it. And if a licensed private process server
does the business, all their people that serve have to
have word cards.
MS. BUCK: Correct.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And, also, there's no
need for a certificate of mailing if a licensed process
server serves it. But it still has to be mailed.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you,
Bobbie. Can I get training credit for that? That's
really good.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thanks.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions from the Board?
All right. Seeing none, any public comment?
All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a
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motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I'll make a
motion that HES-Hurricane Eviction Services, LLC is
applying for a new corporate process server license.
Maria D. Buck is applying for an individual process
server license. If approved, she is requesting that her
individual license be placed into abeyance so that she
may become the qualifying agent. Member to be approved
is Maria D. Buck. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Motion and
section. Any further discussion?
All right. Seeing none, I'll call for a vote.
All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
All right. Congratulations.
MS. BUCK: Thank you, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.
MS. BUCK: Merry Christmas, you all.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Merry Christmas.
All right. At this time I'll call Gene L.
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Jacobson, dba Private Investigators International is
applying for an individual process server license.
Subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
Good morning.
MR. JACOBSON: Good morning, gentlemen, ladies.
ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: You are?
MR. JACOBSON: I'm Gene L. Jacobson.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Before we get started,
I have to make a statement. I've known Gene for a few
months. And while we're kind of friendly, we don't
really hang out together much or anything like that. I
know him, and I know about his business. And I just
wanted to put that out there. I have no problem voting.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good
enough.
And you're aware you're under oath, sir?
MR. JACOBSON: Pardon me, sir?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware
you're under oath; were you here when we gave the oath?
MR. JACOBSON: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
Tell us what you want to do with your business.
MR. JACOBSON: At my age, I've done about
everything. I've got a license in about 14 states. And
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not that that's important, but the fact is I've devoted
a lot of my time to volunteer my services, including
Metro. They use me, et cetera, at no charge.
I met a few gentleman from the military about a
year or two back. And after, well, they came to my
office, I sat down and I thought about, gosh, what
they're telling me was important, and it made me feel
pretty good. So what I've decided to do with the rest
of my career is to develop a business plan and program
where I can put together either brochures, or whatever,
to put together something where they can utilize it in
all these states, including the current statutes,
ordinances, et cetera, to help the veterans and help
retired law enforcement to get into this industry. Some
of them have been injured. Some of them haven't had,
you know, such a great time.
So that's basically my objective. And the
reason I'm applying for this license is this is the
third license in the group that I have. I'm already a
licensed private detective and a patrolman. And I'm
just adding this to it because I've been contacted by
several individuals who a lot of them may be in law, not
law enforcement, attorneys, saying, "Do you serve
papers?" I says, "No, I don't."
So that's where I am today.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well, and,
first, I applaud what you want to do.
All right. Any other questions?
All right. Any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that Gene L. Jacobson, dba, who is applying for an
individual process server license. This would be
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And on
this particular one, I'm going to second. So I got a
motion and a second. And I'll call for a vote. All
those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. With that, congratulations, sir.
MR. JACOBSON: Thank you, gentlemen and ladies.
Lady. Excuse me. Have a good day.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: You, too.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 44,
Las Vegas Residential Properties, LLC, applying for a
new corporate process server license. Jerry D. King,
Jr. is applying for an individual process server
license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual license be placed into abeyance so that he
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may become the qualifying agent. Member to be approved
is -- Yaakov?
MR. KING: Very good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you --
K. Greenspan. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
Good morning. And you are?
MR. KING: Jerry Don King, Jr.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
you realize you're under oath?
MR. KING: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell
us what you want to do with this license if you get it.
MR. KING: We, Las Vegas Residential Properties
is a property management company, cell phone properties.
We have approximately, I think, at this point, 10,000
doors in Las Vegas. And as he was stating about the new
rule that came into effect in July, we are looking to
bring our service for like delivering notices,
et cetera, in-house. And this would be a big promotion
for me if I get this license. So that's what we're
doing.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're not
putting any pressure on me by saying this.
MR. KING: It is, it really is actually.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What's your
background?
MR. KING: I've been in the legal business
since 1994. I worked for a private attorney for 18
years, and which the first half of that employment I saw
his serve process, did court errands, filed paperwork
with the court, et cetera. From that point, the other
half of my service for him, I became his office manager
and basically conducted all the office administrative
duties in the office as well as served process.
I'm currently employed by Music Industries,
Inc., which is the sister company for Las Vegas
Residential Properties. I do all the eviction
paperwork. I process all their evictions for the
California properties. And I also serve some notices,
some subpoenas, et cetera. And I'm also a notary,
commissioned notary for company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you.
Any other questions?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yes. Mine will be to
Investigator Maxwell.
MR. MAXWELL: Sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The adverse, diversion
on here.
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MR. MAXWELL: The applicant disclosed three
arrests. In 1990, possession of narcotic substance.
The charge was dismissed on completion of a diversion
program. The applicant has been totally honest with me.
He wrote me he planned to get paperwork on that
particular one.
And the second one, January 2nd, 1993, felony
possession of narcotic substance, the applicant received
a 36-month probation, which was going to be discharged
on paper in 1996. Okay. So the second one, felony
possession of a narcotic substance, April 6th of '93,
the applicant received a 36-month probation, which was
completed and discharged on April 6 of '96. He then
received a pardon from the Governor of California, and
he did supply us a certificate showing that pardon.
And the last one was 2003, possession of a
narcotic substance. The charge was dismissed upon
completion of a drug court program. And the applicant
did provide us with paperwork showing that dismissal.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you, Mr. Maxwell.
MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why don't you
hang on just for a second.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. King?
MR. KING: Yes.
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Since these past
arrests, have you been in any trouble whatsoever?
MR. KING: No, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How long have you been
working for the company you're working for now?
MR. KING: Seven years. Well, seven years in
April. April 1st it will be seven years.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What did you do, since
the last arrest that you had, with this company?
MR. KING: The only other employment was for
the last 18 years, I worked for a private attorney,
George D. Kelly. And from there, I worked, I started
working here.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right. Thank you.
No further.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions?
All right. Any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve Las Vegas Residential Properties, LLC,
who is applying for a new corporate process server
license. Jerry D. King, Jr. is applying for an
individual process server license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be placed into
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abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
Member to be approved is Yaakov Greenspun.
MR. KING: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you. Greenspan.
This would be subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Further
discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Congratulations.
MR. KING: Thank you so much. Thank you,
Mr. Maxwell.
MR. MAXWELL: See you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 45. Aris
Vegas, LLC is applying for a new corporate process
server license. Alec R. Morgan is applying for an
individual process server license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual license be placed into
abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
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Member to be approved is Alec R. Morgan. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
Good morning. And you are?
MR. MORGAN: Good morning. I'm Alec Morgan.
I'm aware I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Tell us
about what you want to do with this company and your
background.
MR. MORGAN: And so I'm trying to have the
property management company to also be in compliance
with Senate Bill 151 to serve properties with notices.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
your background, sir?
MR. MORGAN: I was a property manager, a
property manager for 12 years. I've just been serving
these notices by myself for that amount of time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You have several
properties?
MR. MORGAN: The property management company
I'm working with, they have 9,000 doors right now. I've
worked in our partner complexes up to a thousand units.
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other people serve documents, they have to have a work
card --
MR. MORGAN: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: -- under your --
MR. MORGAN: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that Aris Vegas, LLC be approved for a new corporate
process server license. Alec R. Morgan is applying for
an individual process server license. If approved, he
is requesting that his individual license be placed into
abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
Member to be approved is Alec R. Morgan. This would be
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion
and a second. Any further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
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The motion carries. Congratulations.
MR. MORGAN: Thank you very much. You guys
have a great day.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Number 46.
Ethan, I believe it's Tseu ("Shoo"), is applying for an
individual process server license. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible
action.
Good morning, sir.
MR. TSEU: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you are?
MR. TSEU: My name is Ethan Tseu ("Jay-oh").
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My apologies.
MR. TSEU: No, that's good.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Again, I have to state,
Ethan, in my previous life when I was the elected
constable, he worked with me for quite a few years.
We've known each other for quite some time. I haven't
seen him or socialized with him for quite a few years.
And I'd have no problem voting on this.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good
enough. All right.
Are you aware you're under oath, sir?
MR. TSEU: Yes.
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us what you want to do with this license, and your
background.
MR. TSEU: I'm starting a business here,
process serving, serving court documents. My background
would be nine and a half years with the Constable's
Office here in Las Vegas, serving paperworks, doing
evictions. And I'm here today, since the new law
started on July 1st, to serve paperwork and be licensed.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you still
working for Constable's Office?
MR. TSEU: No, I am not.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other
questions from the Board?
Any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve Ethan Tseu --
MR. TSEU: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: -- who is applying for an
individual process server license. This would be
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And this
is Ray Flynn. I'm seconding this one. Any further
discussion?
Seeing none, I call for a vote. All those in
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favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. Congratulations. You have
a good day.
MR. TSEU: Thank you very much. Have a great
holiday.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We've
got -- you know what, we'll take a quick break. We're
going to take a 10-minute bio, nutrition, get some fresh
air, break. It'll be 10 minutes, up north.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We're
moving on to the dog and pony portion. Number 47,
canine handler. T.A.C. Protective Service, LLC, license
number 2704, is applying for a new canine handler
license. Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz is applying for an
individual canine license, handler license. If
approved, she is requesting that her individual license
be placed into abeyance so that she may become the
qualifying agent. This is subject to all statutory and
regulatory requirements. For possible action.
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Good morning. And you are?
MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Mishon Hurd-Korkmaz. Yes, I
know I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That was
pretty close.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I was going to say damn
close, but we'll keep it clean.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's all right.
All right. It's still morning. So good morning.
MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell us about
this company and what you want to do with it.
MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: So T.A.C. Security is
already in existence, and they're adding canine. And
then they have asked me to be the qualifying agent.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Because of my history.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
for staff, bring me up to speed. And just the canine
portion, they don't just handle them. The dogs get
certified. But the qualifying agents don't have any
specific training, or. Vinny, go ahead.
MR. SALADINO: Investigator Saladino. So with
a canine handler license, the individual that's going to
hold the license is responsible for the canines. So the
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company still has their PPO qualifying agent, and now
they've added a canine license to that as well.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Good. All
right. The question's asked and answered. Thank you.
Any other questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. I move that we
approve T.A.C. Protective Service, LLC, license number
2704, for a new canine handler license. Mishon
Hurd-Korkmaz is applying for an individual canine
handler license. If approved, she is requesting that
her individual license be placed into abeyance so that
she may become the qualifying agent. This would be
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion and a second. Any public comment?
Seeing none. I already called for that
already. Any further discussion?
None seen. I'll call for a vote. All those in
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favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. Congratulations. Have a
good day.
MS. HURD-KORKMAZ: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 48.
Protective Force International LLC, license number 2687,
is applying for a new canine handler license.
Jonathan G. Alvarez is applying for an individual canine
handler license. If approved, he's requesting that his
individual license be placed into abeyance so that he
may become the qualifying agent. Subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible
action.
Good morning to you, sir.
MR. ALVAREZ: Good morning.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have to protect
the -- I'm familiar with these folks, because their
office is right downstairs from my office, and so I see
them quite regularly. We do no business together. We
actually haven't done anything social, because they
won't take me out to eat or anything, so, buy me a
drink. Actually, we're all good. I just wanted to, you
know, disclose that. We're good.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Good
morning. And you are?
MR. ALVAREZ: Good morning, Board. My name is
Jonathan Alvarez, and I acknowledge I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell
us about your company and what you want to do.
MR. ALVAREZ: We have --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't have any
questions. Any questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I do.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
(The Reporter indicated that we didn't hear
everything.)
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We'll
start again. Tell us about your company and what you
want to do.
MR. ALVAREZ: We have an existing security
operation here in Las Vegas, Nevada. And we're adding a
canine division that's operating.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I'm
going to call for any questions of the Board.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. Under
investigation, the investigator's conclusion, it says it
requires an applicant for a dog handler's license, to
the satisfaction of the Board, his or her ability to
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handle while training livestock. So do we need your
update or anything like that?
MR. SWARTHOUT: He did pass the exam. It was
administered at the Las Vegas Convention Center by Woody
Chan, who is POST's secondary education.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we've been
using the convention center for awhile now, right; we no
longer use Metro?
MR. SALADINO: So, currently, being that the
convention center has the ability to get the explosive
material needed for the exam, we've just been using
that. We will need to go back to Las Vegas Metro once
we get anybody who wants to apply for patrol canines
and/or drug detection.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Gotcha.
MR. SALADINO: Right now, with the explosives,
the convention center's been very great to us.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. Thank you.
All right. Any other questions?
Any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote, or a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve Protective Force International LLC,
license number 2687, for a new canine handler license.
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Jonathan G. Alvarez is applying for an individual canine
handler license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual license be placed into abeyance so that he
may become the qualifying agent. This would be subject
to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
further discussion from the Board?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Congratulations.
MR. ALVAREZ: Thank you all.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Congratulations.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. The
combined title private investigator and private
patrolman, number 49, Michael A. Buxton, applying for an
individual private investigator and private patrolman
license. Subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements. For possible action.
Good morning. And you are?
MR. BUXTON: I'm Michael Buxton, and I
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acknowledge that I'm still under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
Mr. Buxton, tell us about your business and what you
want to do with your license.
MR. BUXTON: Well, this is really just the
start of my business. I seem to have gone backwards,
but I wanted to secure my license first. My background,
I have approximately six years narcotics experience in
Nevada and about six years patrol. I've also spent two
years training the police in Iraq, in Baghdad. And I've
worked for multiple private investigator companies here
in town.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'm just
looking up something here.
And I do have one question. I know it's some
time ago, but can you share with me why you did not pass
probation with the Department of Corrections?
MR. BUXTON: They didn't give me a reason. But
during that time, I was going through a really bad
divorce. And as you saw on my record there, I was
convicted of the DUI while I was working at the prison.
And then I was served with a restraining order at work
by my wife. So I don't, I don't know if they thought
that was a problem or what. But they never specifically
gave me a reason.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Is this
and ex-wife or wife?
MR. BUXTON: She's now an ex-wife. We've been
officially divorced since about 2011.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
Any other questions of the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have one for
Investigator Maxwell. That's part of the adverse
information?
MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have anything
else there?
MR. MAXWELL: No, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And, Mr. Buxton?
MR. BUXTON: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How many police
departments did you work for?
MR. BUXTON: I worked for two. I worked for
Humboldt County and Lyon County.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And when you
worked, for about 10 years?
MR. BUXTON: I'm sorry?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How long did you work
for each one?
MR. BUXTON: I worked for Humboldt County for
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approximately 10 years and then Lyon County for
approximately three, I believe.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. When did you
leave Humboldt County?
MR. BUXTON: I left Humboldt County in
approximately 2005.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And why did you leave?
MR. BUXTON: My wife wanted to move to Reno.
And so I got a job closer to Reno. I applied out in
Lyon County.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And then you
worked for Lyon County Sheriff's Office; is that
correct?
MR. BUXTON: That's correct.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Why did you
leave Lyon County?
MR. BUXTON: I had a couple friends go over to
Iraq to do contract work. And so I decided to go over
there. It seemed like a good opportunity and good money
at the time.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. On the Iraq,
where you said you trained things in Iraq, do you have
any documentation for that?
MR. BUXTON: I just have my -- I've got a lot
of photos. But there wasn't really much paperwork that
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they gave us. I don't know if I have any exit paperwork
or anything like that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Real quick, I
don't know, would there be W-2s?
MR. MAXWELL: I don't think so, for a separate,
for a private company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, W-2 for tax
purposes.
MR. MAXWELL: Yeah. Not for that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Then, we
won't require that. Yeah, that was 12 years ago.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you. I'm
good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions?
Any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve Michael A. Buxton, who's applying for an
individual private investigator and patrolman, private
patrolman license. This would be subject to all
statutory and regulatory requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
All right. For the purposes of moving this
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forward, Ray Flynn, I will second this. We have a
motion and a second. Do we have any discussion?
Anything you want to put on the record?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, I just, I'm just
concerned about the two police departments, leaving.
And then no record about what he says he did in Iraq,
that just gives me a problem.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I can't
speak to Iraq, but I do know I did 15 years on Nevada
posts, and with the rural sheriff's departments, tenure
is something that lacks.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That's interesting.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah. So there
are officers that go from agency to agency, either due
to job conditions as well as salary. As well as
problems, too. But we don't know. Did we get anything
back from the departments?
MR. MAXWELL: Just confirmation that he did
work for the departments.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. All
right. And what was the date of the last -- the
restraining order with the ex-wife was, what, more than
10 years ago?
MR. MAXWELL: 2011.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Nine years ago.
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All right. We have a motion. We have a second. I'll
call for a vote. All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Two to one
in favor. The motion passes. Congratulations, sir.
MR. BUXTON: Thank you so much.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 50, International Protective Service, Inc.,
applying for a new corporate private investigator and
private patrolman license. Aaron T. Jones is applying
for an individual private investigator and private
patrolman license. If approved, he is requesting that
his individual license be placed into abeyance so that
he may become the qualifying agent. This is subject to
all statutory and regulatory requirements. For possible
action.
Good morning. And you are?
MR. JONES: Aaron T. Jones.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you're aware
you're under oath, sir?
MR. JONES: I am aware.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell
us about the company and what you want to do.
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MR. JONES: Sure. International Protective
Service has been in existence for almost 14 years now.
I started the business when I was still a police
officer. And we're in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona,
California. And we're looking to get our Nevada
license.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And how do we
pronounce our state?
MR. JONES: "Neh-vad-ah."
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Very good. All
right. It's been a long day. I thought I heard
something else.
All right. Any questions of the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I do. Gronauer.
Where, the information?
MR. MAXWELL: The best information was 2018.
The applicant had a civil judgment filed against him
with Erie County Supreme Court in New York for
defaulting on a company business loan. The applicant
provided me with the paperwork showing that this was
settled out of court shortly thereafter. He provided
proof of payment and final balance showing that
everything was good.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Jones, what police
department do you work for, did you work for?
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MR. JONES: I retired from the Valencia County
Sheriff's Office, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where?
MR. JONES: Valencia County, New Mexico, south
of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't know
where it is. Where is it?
MR. JONES: It's down south of Albuquerque.
It's a small sheriff's office. It's just south of
Albuquerque, New Mexico.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's sheriff's office,
but a lot of big difference.
MR. JONES: They have a lot of crime.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. It's a major
safe place to drive, too. You just don't want to speed
there.
MR. JONES: That's right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You want to tend to
stay the other way.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
public comment?
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.
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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve International Protective Service, Inc.,
who is applying for a new corporate private investigator
and private patrolman license. Aaron T. Jones is
applying for an individual private investigator and
private patrolman license. If approved, he is
requesting that his individual licenses be placed into
abeyance so that he may become the qualifying agent.
This would be subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion
and a second. Any further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. The motion carried. Congratulations.
MR. JONES: Thank you so much. Merry Christmas
to you all.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Merry Christmas.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Jones, it's
"Neh-vad-ah."
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MR. JONES: "Neh-vad-ah."
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 51.
Ralph P. Ray -- come save us -- is applying for an
individual private investigator and private patrolman
license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual license be placed into abeyance so that he
may become the qualifying agent for Century Security
Management of Las Vegas, license number 1315. This is
subject to all statutory and regulatory requirements.
For possible action.
Good morning.
MR. RAY: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you are?
MR. RAY: Ralph Ray. And I'm aware I'm under
oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And I do
bring attention to the Board, for the record, that I do
know Mr. Ray. I've known him through my employment with
Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department. We do not
socialize. It's been quite some time since I've seen
him. And I feel I have no issue voting on this matter.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And Gronauer. I, too,
would like to disclose that I've known Mr. Ray for, I
don't know, 30 some years. And I haven't talked with
Mr. Ray for probably 10 years. And, also, I have no
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problem voting on this one. That's from my -- I know
him from our previous relationship with the Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police Department.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I don't know him. So I'm
an odd man out here.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Ralph, tell us what you're doing here and what you want
to do with your company.
MR. RAY: The company I work for, Century
Security, I'm actually qualifying, qualified agent for
them. I was working with Larry Burns over there just
prior to his passing, unfortunately. He should have
been doing this today. And I stepped in to do it after
he passed away.
We currently are looking to possibly expand and
going in the private investigative direction. I
employed one of the retired Metro homicide detectives,
who's working for us currently, is a manager and not
doing anything private investigative-wise. But looking
at going in that direction a little bit with that part
of the license. And maintaining what we're doing on the
guard side currently as Century Security and trade shows
and some fixed post positions.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you.
Any other questions from the Board?
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you for your
service.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Seeing
none, any public comment?
Seeing none, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve Ralph P. Ray, who is applying for an
individual private investigator and private patrolman
license. If approved, he is requesting that his
individual licenses be placed into abeyance so that he
may become the qualifying agent for Century Security
Management of Las Vegas, license number 1315. This
would be subject to all statutory and regulatory
requirements.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do I have
a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion,
and I have a second. Any further discussion by the
Board?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Congratulations, Ralph.
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MR. RAY: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have a good day.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And have a good
holiday.
MR. RAY: Yeah, you too.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Item
number 52 is postponed?
MR. INGRAM: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So
we'll carry that on to the next meeting, or tomorrow?
MR. SALADINO: That'll be postponed to March.
MR. INGRAM: That'll be March.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. The
next meeting.
MR. INGRAM: March 3rd.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Now
we get ready for the registration appeals, is the best
way to phrase this. Was anyone not here this morning
that needs to be sworn in? Please stand. Anybody that
needs to be sworn in, please stand.
Everybody that's sitting, I'm assuming you were
sworn in or you don't need to testify, one or the other.
Counselor, all yours.
MR. DETMER: My pleasure. Those who are about
to testify, please raise your right hand. Do you hereby
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swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth?
(All applicants and potential witnesses present
were sworn/affirmed.)
MR. DETMER: When you all come up for your
testimony, before you start testifying, please just
recite that you are under oath, or that you're aware
that you're under oath. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
Number 53, Alex Holden.
All right. Mr. Holden, we will trail that one.
Number 54, Laval Lee Jenkins.
Mr. Jenkins, please come forward.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That'll work
better. You guys get along, right?
Okay. Vinny, it's yours.
MR. SALADINO: Yes. Investigator Saladino.
The applicant was denied for a 2012 possession of a
controlled substance. It was at a felony level. The
applicant did disclose the arrest on the application and
provide the 1203.4 dismissal paperwork.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Anything
else?
MR. SALADINO: That's it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
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Mr. Jenkins, how are you today?
MR. JENKINS: I'm doing good, thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you aware
you're under oath?
MR. JENKINS: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What was
the drug?
MR. JENKINS: It would actually be tobacco and
cell phones. It was actually a thing where my now
girl -- we're still together, my children's mother.
Basically, her dad actually influenced her into trying
to deliver a bag of tobacco. You know, he's been doing
life, you know, life since she was about two. And what
happened was we drove there, got cold feet. And when we
turned around, we got suspected. They pulled us over.
And there was a little bit of marijuana in the car. And
he also found the tobacco and everything. And we told
the truth from there. And then that's what put us on
probation. And then if we completed probation, it would
get expunged.
And that was the whole thing of what happened.
And since then, I've just been trying to be a good
father, basically.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you were
trying to deliver a cell phone and tobacco?
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MR. JENKINS: Yes, personal. And, yeah,
they -- yeah. Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What prison was
this?
MR. JENKINS: That was, I don't know if it was
in Kings County, close to -- what's that? Close to
Bakersfield, a little close to Bakersfield.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I thought
you said Kings County.
MR. JENKINS: Yeah, you know, it's in Kings
County. It's like -- yeah. It's by, I want to say,
Fresno. There you go, Fresno.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Fresno?
MR. JENKINS: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. A lot
different than Bakersfield.
MR. JENKINS: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. What
have you been doing for the last seven years?
MR. JENKINS: Working. I was in California. I
worked security in California at Stater Brothers and
Walmart. And then my children's mother, she had
opportunity out here to come out to Vegas. So I moved
out here just to be closer to the kids. And ever since
then, I've been working at Verizon. And I wanted to
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have some backup, you know, just like for holiday time,
just in case I need to get, you know, to get extra money
for the kids or whatever, I needed a little backup money
just in case.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And if I
heard you correctly, because I'm not sure if they heard
it, you're with Verizon or Horizon?
MR. JENKINS: Verizon.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What do you do
for Verizon?
MR. JENKINS: Tech coach, tech support,
troubleshooting, troubleshooting, if you call, and
troubleshoot the phones, but.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
Any other questions from the Board? All right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What do you plan on
doing with a word card?
MR. JENKINS: Basically, I want to -- because I
was doing security in California. And I always liked
security. And I, basically, didn't have the card to
start security when I came out here. And I just want to
get back in it and, also, have a second job so I can
provide for my family.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you worked armed or
unarmed security?
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MR. JENKINS: Unarmed.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions of the Board?
Do I call for public comment?
MR. DETMER: This is due process, so there's no
public comment.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Then,
I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we approve -- is it grant or overturn?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Grant the appeal.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we grant the
appeal for Laval Lee Jenkins, who's applied for a
registration card.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion
and a second. Any further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor of granting the appeal, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion is granted. Congratulations to you.
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MR. JENKINS: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Have good
holidays.
David Wright. Mr. Wright.
All right. We will trail that one, too.
Ahmad Carney. Mr. Carney, please come on down.
Mr. Saladino, is this one yours, too?
MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
you are Mr. Wright?
MR. CARNEY: Ahmad Carney.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Carney. My
apologies. Mr. Carney, and you aware you're under oath?
MR. CARNEY: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Good
afternoon.
MR. CARNEY: Good afternoon.
MR. SALADINO: So the applicant was denied for
a 1991 possession of a controlled substance for sale at
the felony level. The applicant did disclose it.
1996, possession of a controlled substance,
cocaine again, for sale. The applicant did receive a
prison term for this. The applicant did serve five
years and eight months and a couple days, is what he
stated to me.
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In 2003, a domestic violence. He received 30
days, it was at misdemeanor level, 30 days in jail and a
year probation. Again, it was disclosed.
2008, a DUI where he received three years
probation and classes as well.
November 8th of 2018, another misdemeanor DUI
where he's serving informal probation right now. The
applicant disclosed that, upon completing this -- this
is the one -- that he is eligible to be in another state
while he's on this informal probation. So that's -- and
he's got classes. So he's hoping to be off the
probation sooner at the completion of the classes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So if I
understand correctly, and either one of you can answer,
in California, informal probation means you don't need
to show up regularly for the probation officer, but
you're still on probation in the eyes of the court?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We do not
normally grant anybody a work card that's on probation
or parole. And you're aware of that. We want to hear
your side. It doesn't mean that we can't. But just on
the record, I've never granted one, so.
Tell us why you're in Las Vegas, or Nevada, and
what you want to do here.
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MR. CARNEY: I'm in Nevada because of the cost
of living, tax purposes. I have my family here as well.
I have three kids that are at Spring Valley High, Spring
Valley Mountain, and Buffalo High School.
I enjoy security. My dad done security. I
have my sheriff card. I have my TAM card. I have my
alcohol awareness card. The only thing I don't have is
my PILB card. I do have a non-gaming card, which I
already let you guys know. I feel I should qualify for
it because of the sheriff department gave me a
non-gaming card as well.
So I'm currently working at Embassy Nightclub.
And I'm also working at UPS. I'm also working at CNXX.
That's a nightclub as well. So I just need the
opportunity to move forward.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What are you
doing at the nightclubs?
MR. CARNEY: Security.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you work for
the...
Do you want to ask some questions?
MR. INGRAM: So when you are working at the
nightclub, who pays you?
MR. CARNEY: Embassy.
MR. INGRAM: Do you have a card?
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MR. CARNEY: Yes, I do.
MR. SALADINO: We've actually visited the
Embassy Nightclub previous, and they do have their own
W-2 in-house security that they utilize.
MR. INGRAM: Is that the same for the CMXX?
MR. CARNEY: Yes. And I had to go through the
sheriff's department in order to get my gaming license
to work for there. Yes.
MR. INGRAM: Thank you. Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The DUI you were
speaking of -- this is Gronauer. The DUI you were
speaking of is 1 November a year ago?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do we have paperwork
that says all this stuff, then?
MR. SALADINO: We have paperwork showing that
he is current with his classes. And the reason I
allowed him to come for the appeal for it was the fact
that it was informal probation. And as long as there's
no other arrests or anything, there's no -- the courts
do not worry about it.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And to follow up with
the question that I had earlier, do we ever follow up
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with stuff like that?
MR. SALADINO: We can, yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, obviously, we
can. But is it something we do normally, or we just
don't do it unless we find something out?
MR. SALADINO: So, typically, these things are
investigated when they move employers. Though there's a
NAC chapter that we utilize. So if they move employers,
then it becomes provisional for another 90 days. So we
can verify then or during their renewal cycle.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions of the Board?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So do you currently have
a license?
MR. CARNEY: I currently don't. And I just
filed the paperwork for California to where they could
not put an issue out and I could have my license here in
Nevada.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. CARNEY: So there was paperwork I had to
file. I had to file it after December 30.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: One other question,
please, Mr. Carney. Why do you want this work card?
MR. CARNEY: I want to eventually own my own
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business. But at the same time, I want to get involved
with the casinos and so forth. I've been denied because
I didn't have a PILB card. I applied at about four or
five different casinos. I ended up at the Embassy. And
CMXX club for now. This was the card I was able to get
from the sheriff's department. So I went through all
the process that I need to go through. And now I'm here
at the Board trying to get my PILB card.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Seeing no other questions, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we continue with the denial of Mr. Carney due to
time and distance and he's still under probation.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion, and I have a second. Any further discussion of
the Board?
Okay. All those in favor of the motion, state
"aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. The appeal
is not granted. We can see you in a year. Hopefully,
your probation will be over, and we'll go forward from
there.
MR. CARNEY: Okay. Thank you, sir.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Catharine
Freitag.
All right. We will trail that one.
Dontrell Blackburn.
All right. Frederick. All right. How do you
pronounce your last name, sir?
MR. NNABUIFE: "Nah-bee-fah."
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Huh?
MR. NNABUIFE: "Nah-bee-fah."
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: "Na-nah-bee-fah."
MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Are you
aware you're under oath?
MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Vinny, is
this yours, too?
MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Let's
talk about this one.
MR. SALADINO: It was a 2011 possession of
marijuana at a felony level where he received a 12 to 36
months suspended prison sentence and was given three
years probation. He did disclose it at the time of
application, provided court documents. The applicant
was honorably discharged from his probation on
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March 27th of 2014. And he was informed about the
appeal process at the time of his application.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How much
marijuana did you have? Because a 12- to 32-month
suspended sentence.
MR. NNABUIFE: 55 pounds.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 55 pounds?
MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'd say.
All right. What have you been doing for the last nine
years?
MR. NNABUIFE: I've been doing the personal
bodyguard. It's professional work here and there as a
personal bodyguard.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And who are you a
personal bodyguard for, or?
MR. NNABUIFE: Just several musicians, football
players and the rappers.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where do you do
this personal bodyguard work?
MR. NNABUIFE: I bring them to -- they come to
Vegas. And my friend knows them. So they call me, and
I help them out. And they don't come all the time, just
every once in a while.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you know what
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you're doing is illegal?
MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, sir. And they wanted me to
get a PP, a PILB card, so I could get it make more
money.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: When's the last
time you did some of this bodyguard work?
MR. NNABUIFE: Oh, like two months ago.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Two months ago.
MR. NNABUIFE: But that's a long time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate your
honesty, I do. Because we get people before us that are
not honest to us about that. But it puts me in a tough
position right now, that you're doing illegal work, and
you're asking for us to sanction that. You shouldn't be
doing any bodyguard work whatsoever, end of story.
None.
MR. NNABUIFE: Maybe they're just trying to
tell me that, too, but I usually --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm just telling
you it's illegal. I don't care what they tell you.
Just like the 55 pounds of dope, somebody probably told
you to deliver it. That was illegal, too.
MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions of the Board?
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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So are you working for a
company doing this, or are you just doing this on your
own, they pay you directly?
MR. NNABUIFE: They pay directly.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: They pay you directly?
MR. NNABUIFE: Yeah. They just like pay me to
walk them in. So the security guards want me to go
apply for doing this. But they know me, so they don't
have to get the card, so they bring the business.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, the only thing --
this is Gronauer. You seem like a very nice gentleman.
The trouble is, and we deal with people who have done
this before, and our practice has been, because of how
it's happening, that we would have to deny. That's what
we've done mainly in the past, at least since I've been
around, how we've done it in the past. You have to get
this stuff together. Because even the places you're
going into, without the proper credentials, they could
be fined, also, even though you're doing it for friends
and all this other stuff. It's a problem. I appreciate
your honesty, too. But you got to stay with what the
law says.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So he can answer a
question?
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, that's why
he's there.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So even if he gets
the license, he can't work individually for, you know,
Joe rapper. So I just want to make sure he understands
that, that if they him the license, he can't just get a
call from whatever basketball player and go work for
him. I don't know if that'll be clear.
MR. DETMER: That's my understanding. The
abilities and practice is limited by the license as to
the company.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So do you understand that?
MR. NNABUIFE: Yes, I do.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: You have to work for a
company if you get your card?
MR. NNABUIFE: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. NNABUIFE: That's why the company, that's
why the company want us to get it.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. NNABUIFE: You know, I'm going to be under
their license to work.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. NNABUIFE: He got his own insurance for us,
for security.
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MR. INGRAM: What's the name of the company
that's hiring you?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.
MR. NNABUIFE: I don't even know if I have it
now.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is it here in Vegas?
MR. NNABUIFE: It's here in Vegas, on
Charleston.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Charleston.
MR. INGRAM: Do you know the name?
MR. SALADINO: Bulwerks?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Who?
MR. SALADINO: Bulwerks.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is it Bulwerks?
MR. NNABUIFE: I'm sorry?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Bulwerks?
MR. NNABUIFE: Bulwerks, yeah, I think. Yeah,
I think, it's that, yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions?
MR. NNABUIFE: And I want to work for Griz
Nightclub. They want me to work for them. But I don't
have no sheriff card. So I was in that same situation,
you know.
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MR. NNABUIFE: Thank you, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Saladino,
anything else?
MR. SALADINO: Nothing else.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions of the Board?
All right. I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: One more quick question.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: When did you find out that
you need the license? I mean did you -- someone just
started calling you, and because you're a big guy at the
gym, they said, "Hey, come work for us"?
MR. NNABUIFE: The guy that was calling me, he
said that he got in trouble before. And he stopped
calling us and said, "You have to get a card," because
he doesn't want to get in trouble. Because he got in
trouble before.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. Who's that guy?
MR. NNABUIFE: It's Adam.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. NNABUIFE: Because he want us to be on
the -- he got caught, that I mentioned, and so he wants
to get it, get it.
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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, it's Gronauer.
And I don't take pleasure in it, but I make a motion to
uphold the denial of Frederick Nnabuife, who applied for
registration and was denied.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any discussion by
the Board?
I'm going to support this. And understand, the
reason I'm supporting it, it isn't because of your
conviction nine years ago with the marijuana. It has to
do with your doing illegal work. But I can only speak
for myself. If you come before us again in a year, and
you don't do any more illegal activity, and I will
support you, provided nothing else happens.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm in the same place.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah. We just wanted you
to do it the right way.
MR. NNABUIFE: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So I
got a motion. I got a second. Any further discussion?
No further discussion. All those in favor of
the motion for denial, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
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MR. NNABUIFE: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Opposed?
All right. Motion denied.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Keep it right. Come
back in a year.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Number 60, Tyrone Hinton.
Good morning, gentlemen.
MR. HINTON: Good morning.
MR. CALDONETTI: Good morning.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Who's who?
MR. HINTON: I'm Tyrone Hinton.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tyron Hinton.
Okay. And you are?
MR. CALDONETTI: I'm Stephen Caldonetti.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And why are you
here, Stephen?
MR. CALDONETTI: I'm his former case manager at
the Salvation Army. It's called Veteran Services.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well, I
appreciate you coming here and supporting your client.
We don't see too much of that. So it's probably going
to be something nice to hear.
MR. CALDONETTI: Yeah.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Mr. Saladino, is this yours again?
MR. SALADINO: Yes, sir. All right. So the
applicant was denied for a 1986 child abuse at the
felony level, where he received a two-year -- two years
of probation.
2013, it was a misdemeanor battery charge that
was dismissed.
2012, there was another battery charge of a
victim over 65, as a gross misdemeanor. The gross
misdemeanor was also dismissed. The applicant did
provide court documents and disclosed that one as well.
2012, a gaming, slash, fraudulent acts at
felony level. That one was also dismissed.
The applicant listed some of the arrests on the
report. However, the felony was found when we got the
fingerprint report. And that was the child abuse out of
Missouri.
And that's why they're here now.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So if I got it
correctly, everything was disclosed except the 1986?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Hinton,
anything you want to add before I ask my questions or
the Board asks questions?
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Okay. Well, why did you not disclose the 1986
arrest?
MR. HINTON: Because I knew it wasn't a felony
here.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Now, what?
MR. HINTON: That one wasn't a felony here.
That was disclosed as a -- that went down, I pleaded
that down to a misdemeanor assault.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right, but the
application requires you to list all arrests. It
doesn't say felony or otherwise.
MR. HINTON: No, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why did they
charge you with child abuse?
MR. HINTON: She went and she was throwing some
sand at somebody else, and I spanked her a couple times.
And her mother took and she didn't like it, so she put a
case against me.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The child's not
on the forms?
MR. HINTON: No, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell me about the
battery of the victim over 65.
MR. HINTON: That was an altercation, and he
assaulted me, I assaulted him. Him being over 65, then
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I got the case.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Why did he
assault you?
MR. HINTON: We were in a room, sitting, and he
was talking real loud. And I just asked him to calm it
down, you know, keep it quiet. And he just reached out.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: At a shelter?
MR. HINTON: No, sir. This was at -- it was,
it was Veteran Services.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So tell me
about your military experience.
MR. HINTON: Three years in the Marines.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What years were
you in?
MR. HINTON: 1980 to 1983.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You went overseas
or on a ship?
MR. HINTON: No action. We went Okinawa. I
didn't do Korea. I did Philippines.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Okay.
Thank you for your service.
MR. HINTON: Thank you for yours.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
BOARD CHAIRMAN GRONAUER: Mr. --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, I'm not done
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yet.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm sorry. You said,
"Okay."
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm going to talk
to his counsel. What would you like to say?
MR. CALDONETTI: He's been in my program for
about a year and about three months. He just recently,
you know, completed it successfully. From the year and
three months that I worked with him, I mean he's been
eager to volunteer. He's always -- you know, his
character, I can't speak more volumes for this man. He
stepped it up whenever I needed somebody to help, fix
the building, help with remodeling. And he even worked,
when we left, he stayed there for an extra four or five
hours at night painting. And I mean he did a lot for
us. And he was like the only one out of like 40 people
that would actually step up.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you.
Mr. Hinton, one last question. Where are you
employed now?
MR. HINTON: With WGS Security.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So you
received a provisional?
MR. SALADINO: That's correct, he did receive a
provisional.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
All right. It's all yours.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Is it okay?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It also said, in the
'86 one, which was before, but also the 2012, on your
notes here it says that this arrest was not disclosed,
either, the gaming and the fraudulent acts.
MR. SALADINO: That's correct. I misread that,
being that it was dismissed, and the other ones he did
disclose.
MR. HINTON: So I put that on there.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Put that under
one. In the three years that you were in the Marine
Corps, what rank did you attain?
MR. HINTON: E-3.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Now, you have your
provisional. And if you get your permanent card, what
do you plan on doing?
MR. HINTON: Sir, the reason why I took this
job, because it was long-term. And the other guys that
was working, they was saying, okay, we're full-time,
we're full-time. And then the work went out. So this
opportunity came up, and I took this job out here.
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MR. HINTON: No, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, it's really
commendable that you would show up, do the work, for the
chapter.
MR. HINTON: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, that's really
good. I think, it's commendable for you.
MR. HINTON: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because, apparently,
you've had some anger issues, or whatever.
MR. HINTON: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So I'm good.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I have a question.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Go ahead.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: At WGS, was his
provisional suspended?
MR. SALADINO: It was, yes.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So you work for
WGS?
MR. HINTON: That's right.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is that a private security
company, or is it in-house?
MR. HINTON: No, ma'am. It's not private,
because they -- we've done dispensaries, cellular, and
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we've done hotels. We just acquired two shopping malls.
And this is just not here in Vegas, this is in different
states, also.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So are you working
here in Vegas, then, right now?
MR. HINTON: Yes, ma'am.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So I have a question.
MR. SALADINO: So here's probably how I feel it
happened, was being that the applicant was denied, the
company did not have him on the roster, but I was unable
to send a employer denial letter out.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: So the employer didn't know that
it was denied.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: And, I guess, there was a
breakdown in the communication there.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So was he notified
that he was denied?
MR. SALADINO: He received a letter, yes. It
was on October 8th.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, there's a
breakdown somewhere.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The question is
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more for the staff than you, sir. We're trying to
figure out where the breakdown was. You're not supposed
to be working right now if your work card was denied.
But we'll just -- you may be working in the next 10
minutes. We'll figure it out.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, go ahead.
MR. INGRAM: Did we issue a citation to the
company for failing to put him on the roster?
MR. SALADINO: We didn't know he was working
for the company until today.
MR. INGRAM: So they will be getting a
citation.
MR. SALADINO: They will be getting a citation.
And that's no fault of yours.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So he
wasn't on the roster when we asked, and he was supposed
to be on the roster?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Where was
he working when we denied?
MR. SALADINO: We don't know.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. He
applied for a word card. We said no. And he didn't
list an employment at the time?
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MR. SALADINO: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah. So when they apply,
it's up to the business to put them on a roster saying
that they have worked for us. We actually hired them
onto the roster. And when they leave us, we take them
off the roster. If you don't, then they don't know, the
Board doesn't know where they work.
MR. SALADINO: So he can't even be added to the
roster until he's in a provisional status.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: But he had a
provisional status from the beginning?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right.
MR. INGRAM: It's not active.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: He had a provisional.
And the letter saying --
MR. INGRAM: Did you change addresses from the
time that you applied, or did you receive the letter
that shows the work card was denied after your
provisional?
MR. HINTON: Yes, sir, I did change addresses.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Did you receive the
letter?
MR. HINTON: I believe, I did, too, yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Well, we
can't fault him.
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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I'll
let you guys put your heads together, see how we can
possibly fix this. You guys do brainstorm.
You didn't do anything wrong.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: This is on us.
No, everything's good. We're going forward.
All right. If no other questions from the
Board, I will entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm make a motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: That we approve Tyrone
Hinton, applied for registration, and approve --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Overturn the
denial.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm sorry. It's
overturn the denial.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Grant the appeal.
Grant the appeal.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So we grant the appeal.
That's my motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I'm going
to support this. I just want to go on the record. I'm
supporting this because I've got time and distance. I
can understand why you chose not to report the 1986.
You reported everything else. And the fact that your
counselor is here with you. And you've done good since
your last involvement with the police. So that's why
I'm supporting that.
So I'll call for a vote. All those in favor,
state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Unanimous. Congratulations, sir. You have
your work card.
MR. HINTON: Thank you all.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Number 61, Dustin
Hippenstein.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Hippensteel.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Hippensteel.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. That's my
eyes. You're correct. I was wrong.
Did you have all these?
MR. SALADINO: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
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Vinny, tell us what you've got here.
MR. HINTON: All right. So the applicant was
denied for a 2010 felony robbery conviction. He did
disclose it and did provide court documents as well.
2014, misdemeanor DUI. This was also listed.
There was a retail theft out of Utah that was
also disclosed, at a misdemeanor level.
A DUI out of Florida in 2008. This was also
disclosed and was at a misdemeanor level.
The applicant listed his arrests and conviction
history and was advised of the appeal process at the
time that he applied.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
Hippensteel?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell me about the
robbery.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I was in a very bad place in
my life. I'm not a criminal. I was trying to hurt
myself. And I took a car that wasn't mine, and crashed.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You took the car
by force, it wasn't like car theft?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: No, there was no physical.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, okay.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: But, yes, sir, if that's...
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No threat, or whatever.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And how many
years were you in prison?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Two.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Two. Where did
you do your time?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Well, they, obviously,
transfer you in different places. But High Desert and
Indian Springs.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What have you
been doing the last five years?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Well, I was a hospitality
management major at Florida International University.
So I did hospitality up until I got my personal training
license through the International Board Science
Association about four years ago. So I was doing
hospitality. I was a host at Mandalay Bay Foundation.
And then I left there probably about four years ago,
whenever I was licensed for my personal training. And
then I went to Snap Fitness.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Tell us, why do
you want to work in security, why do you want to do
that?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I just got married in April.
So personal training is very seasonal. It's part-time.
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So I just wanted to do like a part-time weekend or work
events per se for another, a different company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you have a
company lined up that wants to hire you?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: No, sir. I've seen posts and
stuff online, and that's why they say, obviously, you
know, you have to go and get your card and everything,
otherwise no need to apply. But like I said, you know,
personal training is part-time and kind of, you know, my
bread and butter. And I'd like to try to do like
security or something on the weekends, my second, you
know, fill probably 60 hours, to take care of the wife.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
Any other questions?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Sir, the DUI in 2014,
where was that, which state, in Nevada?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You got a hundred 80
days?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I'm sorry?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How much time did you
serve for that?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: No, that was taken care of.
That, it violated my parole. But, yeah, it sent me back
from my parole from the original sentence.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: He was on parole.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah, I got that, yeah.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yeah, it was, obviously, the
original case. That, you know, they just, they put me
in a fire camp where I fought fire up north.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Now I
understand.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: And then they shot me back
out.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Went in a circle.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm good.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions from the Board?
Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Just one question.
Everything is resolved now, there's nothing outstanding,
all the paperwork's done?
MR. SALADINO: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: A hundred 20 months is
a long time. That's what I'm trying to get here.
You're not on probation anymore, you're not on paper at
all?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Absolutely not. Basically,
you can clean that up in six years. I was on probation,
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I mean, I'm sorry, parole after I was released. So it
probably took me, you know -- once you get paroled, then
they, obviously, knock off a little bit more time. And
then, so probably about two years or whatever, maybe
three I did on parole.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you know when you
got off paper?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I'm sorry?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you know when you
got released off paper from parole and probation?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: I would say, 2016. I have
the document somewhere.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Saladino, you were
pointing to something.
MR. SALADINO: Yeah, one of his -- the last
time he paid the courts was June 27th of '12.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And then you went back
to prison?
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Yes, that was, yeah, because
that was on the parole.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I have nothing.
I'm done.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I'll
entertain a motion.
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the appeal for Dustin Hippensteel, who's applied for a
registration card.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I got a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll second it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
discussion?
I'll put on the record I'm going to support.
We have time and distance since you've been in trouble.
You've got a good work history up to this point. And
your honesty and forthcomingness before the Board, we do
appreciate that, so.
I'll call for a vote. All those in favor of
granting the appeal, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. The appeal's granted. Congratulations.
MR. HIPPENSTEEL: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You have a good
day.
Jeremiah Carrillo.
Are you Jeremiah?
MR. CARRILLO: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You realize
you're under oath?
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MR. CARRILLO: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Vinny,
it's all yours.
MR. SALADINO: So the applicant was denied for
a 2010 misdemeanor charge out of California where he was
originally charged as carrying a loaded firearm in
public. It was reduced to a CCW in a vehicle. He did
disclose the arrest. This is the second time he was
denied. The first time was on 10-21 of '14 when he
tried to renew his work card. And now he's back again
to get his work card.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You waited five
years before coming back. Nothing wrong with that.
Usually, people come back within a year.
MR. CARRILLO: I didn't know the first time
that I could appeal it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, okay. Well,
what have you been doing the last five years?
MR. CARRILLO: Security.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where?
MR. CARRILLO: I've been doing it for companies
that doesn't require the PILB. Well, when I first
started doing security, there was no PILB. You just
went down to the -- got a sheriff's card, either armed
or unarmed. So I was doing that armed. And then I had
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the lovely incident in the state of California with the
firearm. Then, when I came back from that incident, I
still had years on my actual sheriff's card. So I was
still doing work then. When that got expired, I went to
renew it. They said, "No, you have to get a PILB card."
That's was when I got first denied because of my lovely
incident in California.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We don't need the
editorial.
MR. CARRILLO: So then I took a little bit of
time off from security. And I've been doing security
again now. I'm working currently for the Segal Group,
who owns the like Pink Boxes, Segal Suites, and a bunch
of other properties.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And if we
were to give you your cord, what do you intend on doing?
MR. CARRILLO: There's a company that currently
wants to hire he, because, I guess, they have a contract
with the courthouse, and that's what they personally
want me to do for them, be armed security there for that
contract.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you.
Any other questions?
All right. I'll entertain a motion from the
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Board.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Gronauer. I'll make a
motion to grant the appeal for Jeremiah Carrillo.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We
have a motion. Do we have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
discussion?
All right. I'll put on the record that we have
time and distance and a long employment history.
I'll call for a vote. All those in favor of
the granting the appeal, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. Congratulations.
MR. CARRILLO: Thank you, gentlemen. Thank
you, ma'am.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Patrick Cotham.
All right.
MR. COTHAM: How are you doing? I'm aware I'm
under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And
you're -- just confirming, your Mr. Cotham?
MR. COTHAM: Yes, sir, Patrick Cotham.
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this yours, too, even though he's up there?
MR. SALADINO: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Did
you guys do any work, or?
All right. Okay. It's all yours.
MR. SALADINO: The applicant was denied for a
1993 possession of a loaded firearm. It was at a gross
misdemeanor level, where he received probation. He did
disclose this arrest on his application, and he was
advised of the appeal process.
There also was a 1994 receipt of stolen
property at a misdemeanor level. This one wasn't
disclosed. It was found on the fingerprint report.
And then a 2000 out of California, possession
of marijuana for sale, two counts. They were both
felony levels, but those were dismissed. And that was
also found on the fingerprint report.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you.
Mr. Cotham, on your last arrest, sale of
marijuana, what kind of weight are we talking about,
what was the amount?
MR. COTHAM: Sir, it was 11 grams of marijuana.
They called it possession for sale because I had a scale
with me.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, that never
helps. All right. On the firearm, 1993, I mean we're
talking over 25 years ago. But I do need to know what
the background was on that.
MR. COTHAM: I was young and foolish and
thought I was tough and needed a gun to back up my
actions. I didn't use the gun in any crimes. I got
pulled over by the California Highway Patrol. I didn't
have a driver's license. That gave them probable cause,
and they searched the car and found the weapon.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We'll ask
a question. What have you been doing the last 25 years?
MR. COTHAM: I've been raising four beautiful
children. Well, one is 24. I have four kids. The last
10 years, I've been working security in California.
Since 2014, I've had a security guard card. And the
company I work for is now offering me chances to travel
to other states to work. And that's why I'm applying
for a card here in Nevada.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
And thank you for your coming forward with all this.
Any other questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Cotham, is there a
reason that you didn't disclose the possession of
marijuana for sale?
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MR. COTHAM: I believe, I did disclose it. It
was possession of marijuana. I didn't put down the for
sales, because the charge was reduced. And I wasn't
understanding that I needed to put down what I was
arrested for. So I put down what I was convicted of.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And you were convicted
of it?
MR. COTHAM: I was only convicted of a
possession of marijuana charge.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: All right.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions of the Board?
Okay. I will entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. This is Nixon. I
move that we grant the appeal for Patrick Cotham, who's
applied for registration.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We have a second,
Any discussion?
I'll put on the record that we definitely have
time and distance on this. So I am supporting the
motion. Any other discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
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in favor of granting the appeal, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Congratulations, appeal granted.
MR. COTHAM: Thank you very much for your time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Thank you.
It's like communicating with a space station
(videoconferencing).
All right. Patricia Lewis.
All right. We'll trail that one.
Gene Hobdy.
Are you Mr. Hobdy?
MR. HOBDY: Yes, sir, I am.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Are you
aware you're under oath, sir?
MR. HOBDY: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Mr. Saladino.
MR. SALADINO: So the applicant was denied for
a 2007 failure to register as a sex offender. It was at
a felony level, where he was found guilty and given 36
months probation. He did disclose this and provided
court documents. This stems from an arrest, slash,
conviction from February 3rd of '98. The applicant has
a no expiration on his registration requirements.
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There was also a 2012 DUI out of California,
where it was at misdemeanor level, 36 months probation.
This was disclosed, and court documents received as
well.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What about
the disclosed -- well, he didn't disclose the failure to
register and drugs?
MR. SALADINO: That was disclosed, yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. The
failure to register, it was disclosed?
MR. SALADINO: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Was the 1998
charge disclosed?
MR. SALADINO: That one was not.
MR. HOBDY: What was '98?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The original
charge that you register as a sex offender for.
MR. HOBDY: Okay. I'm going to back up, back
in like '85, something like that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. HOBDY: Yeah, I did disclose it, that. And
that's what I thought was the main thing was, because
that is -- I had sexual battery charge, and I was
convicted.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
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MR. HOBDY: So I did my time, did everything
moving forward. When I got out, I was on probation and
parole. Nobody told me I really had to register. That
really wasn't a big deal. And I had kind of a --
changed probation officers, changed probation officers
three or four time during that, and nobody ever made an
issue out of registering. So I didn't really register.
I didn't make it a big deal. I was working and cleaning
my life and moving forward.
My wife and I finally got a divorce. And I was
applying for custody of my son at the time. And then,
when we went to court, her attorney tried to use this
against me as reason why not to grant me custody of my
son. And then it all came out, and told me I have to
register. Okay. And then they came to my office
looking for me, and that's when I was arrested for not
registering. But I didn't realize that I was supposed
to be registering. Now that I do, I register every year
on time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. But it
states here that you did list that address.
MR. HOBDY: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: My question now
is, what was the circumstance of the 1985 arrest for
sexual battery?
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MR. HOBDY: That was '85. Yeah, that was a bad
deal. That was drinking, drugs, bad marriage. I was in
a place I shouldn't have been. I got involved with a
woman, not a teenager, she was a woman. I was coming on
to her. She said, no, I didn't stop, blah, blah, blah.
And it just escalated. And they came. They called the
cops. I was arrested. And it went forward like that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How much time did
you do?
MR. HOBDY: I got two years. And I tell you, I
don't make excuses. I shouldn't have been there. So it
was my fault. And to this day, it's something that I
regret, and I'll take it to my grave.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But you haven't
had any other --
MR. HOBDY: No. That's 35 years ago. No, I
moved forward. To speak to my credit right now, my
character, I'm a Vietnam veteran. I'm a disabled
veteran. I am involved with the American Legion,
American Legion Riders. I'm a public California elected
official to the American Legion Riders. I'm in charge
of over 900 riders in southern California. We do a lot
of work for veterans, veteran issues, community, youth
programs. I also started my own nonprofit organization
in Coachella, which is the Coachella Valley Single
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Veterans. And I donate back to the single veterans.
So I'm trying to do lot of positive things in
my life. And I'm trying to put this behind me.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What do you do
for employment?
MR. HOBDY: Well, I'm retired. I was a
California state contractor. I'm retired now. And I
have my Social Security and then my disability with the
VA. And I supplement my income. I work with a company
that we do traffic control, and we have the police
motorcycles, and we have uniforms, and so we do traffic
control of different events. And that's why I need the
card. Once in a while, they have events in Nevada that
they want me to come help them do traffic control. But
I need the guard card. So I can't do it. I don't have
a guard card. This I'll not be doing all the time, just
a couple times a year.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm still
learning. So we require guard cards for if he wants to
do traffic control?
MR. SALADINO: So the company that he's
referring to, they contract with CSC at the Electric
Daisy Carnival.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: And they're under the care,
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custody and control of CSC during that event.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So they -- for
all their employees. Gotcha. Okay. All right. I
don't have any other questions.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It have a quick question.
So I'm just trying to understand the timeline. The
original incident happened in '85; is that right?
MR. HOBDY: Yeah, I forget the date.
MR. SALADINO: The records that we have, it
stems from a 1998 incident. And it's not even disclosed
really on the fingerprint report other than it talks to
the non-expiring for registration is what it talks to.
And it stems from a, yeah, February 3rd of 1998
incident.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So there's only one
incident, there's not two, one in '85 and one in '98?
MR. SALADINO: It did seem like it was just the
one.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: And then it was the failure to
register in '07.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: And the DUI.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Mr. Hobdy, where do you
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live now?
MR. HOBDY: Indio. Indio, outside of Palm
Springs.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. How long have
you been in Nevada?
MR. HOBDY: A couple hours. Actually, I left
Palm Springs, and I got here, and I've been sitting in
the hallway waiting. As soon as I get done here, I'm
leaving.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you know, if he's
over here and working the Electric Daisy Carnival, and
you're staying overnight or something, you're going to
have to register with the police department?
MR. HOBDY: Okay. I'll do that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, I'm just --
MR. HOBDY: I didn't know that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I mean, before,
you said, "I wasn't told." I want to make sure you
understand that --
MR. HOBDY: I will do that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: -- you have to register
with the Metropolitan Police Department.
MR. HOBDY: I'll do that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And ex-felon and
also the sexual assault stuff.
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MR. HOBDY: I don't even jaywalk anymore.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just want to make
sure that you understand.
MR. HOBDY: Yes, sir. Thank you.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So that you don't get
confused with that. Because you have investigators at
the Electric Daisy Carnival, and you can get hit with
that again.
MR. HOBDY: What would be the best way to do
it, just come into Vegas and find a police department?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Police department.
MR. HOBDY: I will.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The Las Vegas
Metropolitan Police Department.
MR. HOBDY: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And register.
MR. HOBDY: If I'm granted a card, I will do
that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I don't know about that
yet, so.
MR. HOBDY: Yeah, I know. Move forward.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions?
All right. Call for a motion.
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that we grant the appeal, due to time and distance, to
Gene Hobdy for his registration card.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We've got a
motion and a second. All right. Any other discussion?
All right. I'll call for a vote. All those in
favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. The motion carried. Congratulations.
MR. HOBDY: Thank you, sir. Thank you for your
time. I appreciate it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Listen to my
colleague.
MR. HOBDY: I appreciate that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Noah
Carter-White.
MR. WHITE: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Hi.
MR. WHITE: How are you doing?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Are you
Mr. White?
MR. WHITE: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And you're
aware you're under oath?
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MR. WHITE: I do know I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
Mr. Saladino.
MR. SALADINO: Okay. So this denial of the
word card is kind of unique. This is where we're
quoting NAC 648.344, which once you're added to a
roster, you become into a provisional status again.
We received some information in regards to the
criminal history of the applicant. And since then,
we've also had a couple other arrests since the denial
of the work card. And that's what we're here for.
I also have a video to play for the Board in
regards to the applicant while he was working with his
registered work card for a company.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So if I
understand correctly, we've got -- we have an arrest
after he was granted a work card?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we have
video, also, that shows another violation?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
Roll the videotape.
Mr. White, are you aware of the videotape?
MR. WHITE: No, I'm not.
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MR. SALADINO: Five minutes?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, we'll take
a five-minute break while we get the IT issues fixed.
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(A break was taken, 1:02 to 1:08 p.m.)
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We'll
proceed.
Okay. Do you want to describe what's going to
happen, or just do you want to roll the tape?
MR. SALADINO: So this video was brought to us
by a licensee of ours. When we were moving forward the
denial, there was a couple other employers that had
listed on the profile, an internal database for us, that
states why individuals have been terminated from
employment. Upon reading the one for this particular
licensee, I contacted them, and this is what was
provided to me.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
(A videotape was played.)
MR. SALADINO: So this is a gas station, a 76
gas station. It's going to start again in the
beginning. It's going to replay. That was the latter
part of it.
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April 3rd?
MR. SALADINO: Of this year, yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. They're
not going to be able to hear you, Vinny.
MR. SALADINO: What's that?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: They're not going
to be able to hear.
MR. SALADINO: I'll talk loud.
So our applicant, the work card holder, is
right here. At this time, it appears he's taking off
his security equipment and gear.
At one point, the firearm is passed to the
clerk. The clerk then hands it back, and security in
the back office.
And this video shifts now over to where the
video poker machines are.
That register and stuff will be over in this
area. And he's going to come into the screen and crash
into the corner.
That's pretty much it. The licensee also
states that the other security officer that was called
in, and that one was also terminated.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We've
got two issues. Tell me about the -- what do we know
but the discharge of a firearm, structure?
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MR. SALADINO: So that was, on December 20th of
2017, it looks like, it appears a couple other times in
SCOPE where it pops up where he had court requirements
from North Las Vegas. I got the police reports for it.
And the summary of it was Mr. White shoots about six or
seven rounds in the air in an apartment complex because
he finds out that his girlfriend was having relations
with another individual. He was identified through
photos provided by the school district to the
individuals that called the complaint in.
Then, while he's being on probation or serving
something for the courts, there was another incident
where on, it looks like, February 18th of '18, he goes
into an apartment, starts destroying the apartment. And
then, when the individual comes into the apartment, he
points a gun at them and racks it. That was when North
Las Vegas, when they saw that he was fleeing from the
apartment, and they had him at gunpoint, he states, "Go
ahead, shoot me. I'll get paid. And I'll sue your
ass."
With those arrests and then him being denied on
September 9th, we have two other arrests that have
happened. One was for a possession of a CCW. The
police report summary for that one, it was a party at
the D Casino, where the individuals at this party were
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getting trespassed the from the D Casino. Las Vegas
Metro happened to be in the area. When they got there,
somebody had said, "Somebody's got a gun." When Metro
approached Mr. White, they found two handguns. He
stated he was taking them back to his vehicle because he
was hired to do private security for the party. And
then, most recently -- that was October 8th of this
year.
And then the super recent was November 25th of
'19, where he got a conspiracy to commit burglary,
burglary while in the possession of a firearm or deadly
weapon, buy and receive stolen property, two counts.
The conspiracy is the only one at gross misdemeanor.
The rest are all at felony level, along with the felony
carrying a concealed weapon.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So he's got at
least three or four arrests that haven't even been
adjudicated yet, correct?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Can I ask?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So did I understand this,
did he have a regular guard card, an armed guard card,
he was fully licensed?
MR. SALADINO: Right.
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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. And then all these
instances started happening, and that when we took it,
it was taken away?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. White.
MR. WHITE: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You've been busy
the last a couple months. It's not my place, but, I
think, there was something else going on in your life.
I'm just being up front. We can't grant you a card
while you have multiple cases outstanding. I don't even
need to address the violence that we saw in that
videotape while you were employed by someone. And you
started out in the movie about taking off your gear and
taking off your gun and engaged in a fight with someone.
I don't know. A professional doesn't do that.
So I really don't need to ask you any questions
because we've got numerous cases that have not been
adjudicated yet. So I will see if anybody else has got
any questions.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Is this a company weapon?
MR. WHITE: No, it's my personal one.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
other questions?
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Were you on duty as a
security officer at that time?
MR. WHITE: I was actually on lunch. I was on
property.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. On your property
there?
MR. WHITE: I was on property.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What precipitated that?
MR. WHITE: Where I was at, it was called
Ensworth Street South, right, a little bit before
South Point. Just 30 minutes before, we had detained a
previous trespasser, and we also detained his girlfriend
at the time. We did that, his girlfriend at the time.
After the police came and all that, we had too much,
because it took us like two and a half hours, it took
too much. We went to the store in front of the
property, which we were allowed to go to. We went to
the store, and he came in making death threats, oh, "Who
likes to snatch girls up?" So I said -- and he was
like, "Oh, well, do you want to pass me the gun? I'm
going to shoot you," and this, and, basically, death
threats and was going really like, "Oh, just stay right
here. Stay right here. I'm going to come back, and I'm
going to show you something." And that's what caused
it.
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Carrying the card and
being hired by a security company and all that, you
should be pretty well-vetted and, also, pretty
well-experienced or understanding that 9-1-1 isn't that
far away.
MR. WHITE: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And instead of taking
all the time to take your gear off, put it someplace,
have somebody else handle your gun, and then all the
things that happened, I think, I -- you know, there's
just too much here. I appreciate it. Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. No
other questions, I'll entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we uphold the
denial of Mr. Noah Carter-White's registration.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other
discussion?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We have a
second. All right.
I'll put on the record, we've got adjudicated
cases. You've got to, you're going to deal with the
courts before we even consider granting. So I will be
supporting it.
So all in favor of upholding the denial?
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(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Motion
approved. Your card's denied.
MR. WHITE: When can I come back and do it
again?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You can come back
within, in a year, the soonest you can come back. I
don't know if all your court stuff will be adjudicated
by then. But can you reapply in one year.
MR. WHITE: Okay. Thank you. I appreciate it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Jordenn Lawson.
Are you Mr. Lawson?
MR. LAWSON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How are you?
MR. LAWSON: I'm okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good. Are you
aware you are under oath?
MR. LAWSON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: So Mr. Lawson fell into that
same NAC 648.344. Again, this was brought to our
attention from a licensee in regards to the criminal
history that, when the applicant applied, wasn't there,
and then, when the work card was granted, it came about.
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We have a March 12th, or I'm sorry,
September 12th of '19 was a felony child abuse or
negligent battery. He was found guilty of the lesser,
or a misdemeanor battery. But this was also while he
had the active work card.
10-1 of '18, out of Nevada, child neglect or
abuse or endangerment, gross misdemeanor, 364 days of
jail suspended. He was on probation for 18 months. The
applicant's probation was revoked on 9-12 of '19 for an
arrest where he did credit for 25 days and needed to
report to P and P.
2014, child abuse or neglect, disorderly
conduct, battery with use of a deadly weapon with
substantial bodily harm at a felony level. He was found
guilty of misdemeanor battery. The battery with use of
a deadly weapon causing severe bodily harm was reduced
to a misdemeanor battery. And the child abuse was
reduced as well. The applicant received a suspended
jail sentence and impulse control counseling.
2012, child endangerment. That case ended up
being dismissed by the D.A.
The reason we ended up moving forward with the
denial of the work card is that he's currently on
probation for the gross misdemeanor child abuse.
Also, there was numerous videos found where
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Mr. Lawson is using force, searching individuals, using
chemical agents in the performance of this duties. This
is information we do have on our videos of this.
Mr. Lawson worked for numerous licensed companies and
has been terminated for conduct that is detrimental to
the company in many cases.
As Mr. Lawson stated to me on the phone call,
he's a different type of patrol officer, he's hands-on.
And that's why we're here today.
MR. LAWSON: And then I didn't state to you on
the phone that I was hands-on. I said some of the
companies that I work for, which is Tac One, that you
told me that was one of the companies that reported me
for moral character, okay, that's what he enforces.
Okay. When we're on patrol, like I don't -- if I see a
resident getting beat up, or a leasing agent, and I'm
armed, and we get called by that resident, I don't come
on our property, sit there in her leasing office and,
"Oh, oh, oh, oh, just give me -- hold on. Let me call
the cops right quick." We're armed, and I detain that
person for Metro to finish his arrest. I'm not no
aggressive or I go after people type of person. That's
what I told you over the phone.
As far as all those child endangerment cases --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Lawson.
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MR. LAWSON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, this is my
hearing. It's not your place.
MR. LAWSON: I'm sorry. I'm listening.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And you
don't question my witnesses. Okay. So let's start from
scratch. I've got questions for the investigator, and
I'll get to you.
MR. LAWSON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Is he on
probation or parole right now, Vinny?
MR. SALADINO: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Does he
have any court cases that still need adjudication?
MR. SALADINO: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. What
exactly is he on probation for again? Remind me.
MR. SALADINO: Gross misdemeanor child
endangerment.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Tell
me about the multiple child endangerment and child
welfare charges.
MR. LAWSON: Just because of my -- I was in a
bad custody case with my kids' mother. So she was doing
all this trying to take my kids full custody. Which I
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just won my kids in custody court and got custody of
them. So it's -- yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you have
custody of the children?
MR. LAWSON: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: She does not?
MR. LAWSON: No, we have split custody. I have
them Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday, and she has
them for the rest of the days.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do you
supervise -- so you actually have full custody of them
half the time?
MR. LAWSON: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. But you're
on probation for how long?
MR. LAWSON: My probation, I was on for a year
and a half. I'm supposed to be off May 16th of 2020.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Uh-huh
(affirmative).
MR. LAWSON: I was granted. I filed a motion
in front of my judge, to my probation officer, to talk
to her about me going on security. So she granted me to
carry my firearm as long as I'm on work hours, to stay
out of -- so I can make my hours and stuff, 40 hours a
week, and stuff like that, so I can still -- don't have
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to do the community service and stuff. So I don't need
my eight hours anymore if I can stick to this in-house
doing service for that month.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
you've got a video that you want to show us, also, or is
it because he was in the other video?
MR. SALADINO: So the videos just show the way
we train folks and using that whole detaining somebody,
where the Metro police ends up releasing them, because
it's only a trespass.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right.
MR. SALADINO: So it just, the evidence was to
show how the abuse of power and not understanding what a
security personnel is supposed to do. That's what that
was for.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I have a quick question.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, please ask.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So. Okay. He had a guard
card, and then there was something that happened that
triggered us to investigate, so, investigate him?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. And he had his
armed guard card. So. Okay. And then, so when he's
arrested or this has happened, did he disclosed, so
after he had his license, did he go back and disclose
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that he had been in trouble?
MR. SALADINO: Right. But there was no reason
to, because it wasn't a renewal of the work card.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: This happened during the
five-year that it's issued.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So they don't have
any obligations as license holders to go back and say,
"Hey, I got in trouble"?
MR. SALADINO: Not as for registered work card
holders, no. Licensees will report certain things that
come up to us.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Right. But as the actual
work card holder, they don't have a responsibility to do
that?
MR. SALADINO: No.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
You've been here most of the day?
MR. LAWSON: Yes, since --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you know, we
don't grant work cards to anybody that's on probation or
parole?
MR. LAWSON: Even if I have documents showing
that I can, I'm able to work security while on parole,
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probation?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, even if you
have documents. I mean we've never granted a work card
to somebody on parole or probation.
MR. LAWSON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But do you want
to run it? How long is the video?
MR. SALADINO: There's a handful of them. We
can --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm asking. I
don't think the Board needs to see them. He needs to
finish his probation or parole or work with the courts
to get it ended. Because that issue alone, we're going
to deny him.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.
MR. LAWSON: And they also feel, they told me I
could file a motion. But I was like, I only got three
or four months. So I just, I'll be done with it all
anyway. So I told them there's no point in filing the
motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What I would do
is, well, you can reapply in a year. And then we'll
hear your case then.
MR. LAWSON: Okay.
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mean no reason to run the video, unless the Board really
wants to see it. I don't need to see it.
Bobby?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I'll
entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we uphold the
decision of the denial for Jordenn Lawson.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do I have
a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. As stated
before, the subject is still on probation. He can come
back and see us after a he's off probation, come back
and see us after a year.
And so I'll call for a vote. All those in
favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The motion
carries. The decision to deny the work card is upheld.
MR. LAWSON: Do you only have these hearings
every year or something, or is it every six months?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Every three
months.
MR. LAWSON: So is it each and every three
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months?
ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: Every three months.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: But you have to wait
six months until you're off the thing.
MR. LAWSON: Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm
saying, can I do six months instead of a whole year?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: July.
MR. LAWSON: Okay. So I can come back in six
months instead of a year?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes.
MR. LAWSON: All right. I'll do that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Good luck to you
guys.
All right. Nicholas Patton.
Mr. Patton, correct?
MR. PATTON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're aware
you're under oath?
MR. PATTON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Who's
the investigator on this one?
MR. MAXWELL: Investigator Maxwell.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You're going to
have to come down, so they can hear you, please. Okay.
MR. MAXWELL: In January of 2014, out of
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Mississippi, he was charged with possession of marijuana
while operating a motor vehicle with a firearm. This
was at misdemeanor level. There's no disposition shown
on the fingerprint results. This one he did not
disclose.
However, the one that he did disclose was in
April of 2018, again out of Mississippi, violation of a
traffic ordinance, possession of marijuana with a
firearm. This was at felony level. There was no
disposition available on the fingerprint report. He did
disclose the drugs part, but the firearm portion was
found on the fingerprints. The rest was enhanced with a
firearm.
The applicant was initially made provisional.
Both arrests were found and confirmed on the fingerprint
report. But he did disclose the 2018 drug portion of
the arrest.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
Mr. Patton.
MR. PATTON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Basically, you
disclosed three out of four things. So we want to hear
your side of the story.
MR. PATTON: I was arrested for marijuana with
a firearm. I got pulled over. They smelled marijuana,
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so they did a search. So they searched and found the
firearm. I went to a lot of jail for that. I bailed
out, got a court date, went to court. They basically
just wanted me to pay a fine. So I paid the fine.
And then the same thing happened like maybe two
years later. I got pulled over, smelled marijuana, just
pulled me over, searched, found the firearm there, too.
So I, basically, went through the same thing with that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Why
didn't you disclose both arrests?
MR. PATTON: Disclose, as in put both of them
down?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes.
MR. PATTON: Well, it was the same thing. So I
was figuring that it was the same arrest. Both of them
was marijuana, firearm. So I just put one.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, but you
didn't put down about the firearm.
MR. PATTON: Well, I initially thought I had
put the firearm and not put the marijuana. I thought I
had put the firearm, that I did put it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The other thing
is, is we're talking only about a year and a half ago
when this happened. So where are you living now?
MR. PATTON: I currently moved out here, I've
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been moving out here trying to start some work, security
work. So I've been out here for like -- I came out here
early to apply for the thing, apply for the PILB. So
I've been here like three or four months.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And what are you
doing for work right now?
MR. PATTON: I work at Old Town Marquee. I do
security there. I was doing security, started like
doing security on Vanguard and Fremont. That's when I
needed my PILB card to do that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'll let the
Board speak for themselves. But I've got two issues.
One is the failure to disclose. And the other one is
it's only a year and a half. And it's not necessarily
the marijuana. It's the fact of marijuana and the gun.
MR. PATTON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The gun, that's
the issue before the Board, not necessarily the
marijuana.
MR. PATTON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What kind of gun
was that? I'm just curious.
MR. PATTON: It was my personal firearm. It
was a PT809 Taurus gun, sir.
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MR. PATTON: No, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Did you
smoke any pot today?
MR. PATTON: No, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
Any other questions from the Board?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Are you a convicted
felon?
MR. PATTON: No, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Have you gone to court
for this last one, the 18?
MR. PATTON: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What happened in court?
MR. PATTON: I went to court. And, I think, it
was a fine. They just simply, they just really want you
to pay a fine.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What happened?
MR. PATTON: But, I think, on the firearm, they
took it.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How many firearms do
you own now?
MR. PATTON: Maybe six or seven.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It's just still kind of
up to the laws for carrying firearms and everything
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else.
MR. PATTON: I was just --
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: No, here, sir. Okay.
It's Nevada, and you can end up in a lot more trouble
here than just a fine. So just to remind you, you have
to make sure you know the laws where you're staying.
MR. PATTON: Yes, sir. Well, I'm aware of the
laws in Mississippi, was no firearm, no can have the
marijuana and firearm together.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions?
All right. I'll entertain a motion from the
Board.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion.
Because it's only been maybe 18, maybe 20 months, it's
less than two years since his last firearm violation,
I'll make a motion to uphold the denial for Nicholas
Patton, who appealed the registration.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
I have a second. Any discussion?
Okay. You understand that we find that the
arrest 20 months ago was too soon to getting your card?
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You can reapply
within a year, provided how the vote goes.
So I'll call for a vote. All those in favor of
the motion to deny the appeal, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries. Appeal denied. All right.
You'll be able to reapply within a year. Heed my
friend's advice in terms of figure out what the laws are
in Nevada in terms of firearms. And guns and drugs
don't mix, whether they're legal or no legal. All
right?
MR. PATTON: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Have
a good day.
MR. PATTON: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Joseph Mumford.
Yes. You?
MR. DODSON: No, I'm Van Dodson. I'm the last
one in the room.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, there's a
young lady, there's a couple people behind you. Well, I
still got two more. Let's see what happens.
MR. DODSON: All right.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I know you're
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dying to go.
Joseph Huizar.
MR. DODSON: I'm hungry.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Van Dodson.
MR. DODSON: I'm aware I'm under oath.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
I've got a feeling, sir, that you're going to brighten
up the day for me.
MR. DODSON: You know what, I sure hope so.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Let
me find you here.
MR. DODSON: But I'm going to let you know
right now, when I was working, I don't hate people, I
don't argue with people. I'm an old man. If you start
yelling at me, I'll walk away and call 9-1-1. I'm not
fighting nobody. My job is to observe and report and
not touch people.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We got all kinds
of charges. Let's talk about those. All right.
So, Mr. Maxwell, this is yours, correct?
MR. MAXWELL: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. It's
your time.
MR. MAXWELL: Okay. So January of 2008, in
Nevada, malicious destruction of private property. This
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was charged at the felony level. The applicant received
nine months jail with credit for 47 days for time
served, and 18 months probation. He did disclose it on
the application. But this was disclosed as a
misdemeanor.
In 1995, out of California, grand theft of
money, labor, property. This was an unknown whether it
was misdemeanor or worse. This is a wobbler. He did
not disclose, but he did --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What's a wobbler?
MR. MAXWELL: A wobbler could go either way.
It could go as misdemeanor or felony.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's an English
term?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: No.
MR. MAXWELL: No, it's a legal term.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Really? It's a
legal term, a wobbler?
MR. MAXWELL: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do we have them
in Nevada? Where was I here in criminal law in the
academy when we talked about a wobbler?
MR. DETMER: It's a part of negotiations when
it comes to processing the criminal offenses, so.
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: You've never heard of
that?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I love sitting
on this board, because I get educated.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'm learning all the
time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Nevada just keeps
paying me back. Thank you.
MR. MAXWELL: No, wobbler means something
totally different in the UK.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Something that we
don't want to put on the record?
MR. MAXWELL: Absolutely not.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
MR. MAXWELL: Okay. So the applicant did
complete the diversion program for the theft charge in
1995.
In the November of 1995, also in California,
second-degree burglary, forged name on access card.
This was at misdemeanor level. Five days jail, two
years probation. This was not disclosed.
May of '96, also out of California, petty theft
at misdemeanor level. He was released to another
jurisdiction on a warrant. This was not disclosed.
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theft of merchandise at misdemeanor level. The
disposition was shown as convicted with probation and
jail. There was no terms given on the report. This was
not disclosed.
1997, out of California, theft, misdemeanor.
Probation was reinstated. This was not disclosed.
2002, out of California, false check at an
unknown level, a hundred 80 days jail, three years
probation. This is also a wobbler. This was not
disclosed.
2004, possession of a controlled substance and
paraphernalia at misdemeanor level, two days jail, three
years probation, not disclosed.
The applicant was originally made provisional.
Only the first arrest was disclosed and verified with
the fingerprint report. All other arrests were found on
the fingerprint report.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. This
would have been easier for me if you would have
disclosed all these. But you only disclosed one out of
all of the above. So it's your time to explain to me.
What the heck happened?
MR. DODSON: Well, let's see. I was a roaming
bird back in those days, doing really stupid things.
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MR. DODSON: And I missed -- and it's my own
fault. I don't blame them. But the last breaking
thing, 13 years ago, when I went to court, the judge
said, "We're dropping this to a" -- to a -- what's just
under, what's that one just under?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Misdemeanor.
MR. DODSON: A little higher.
MR. MAXWELL: Gross mis.
MR. DODSON: Yeah, he said, "We're going to do
this as a gross misdemeanor." I was under the
impression that that's what I was convicted of. That's
the only reason why I did that.
Another thing I messed up in, because I can't
see worth nothing, you know. You know, war does that to
a man. You know, I thought it was 10 years. That's
why. I mean and that's my own fault. All right.
If you look at these, this time frame, I stayed
out of trouble. I don't drink. I don't drink no more.
I just want to be a good daddy to my kids.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I understand
that. All right. And like I said, before we started, I
said this would have been easy for me if you would have
disclosed this stuff. You didn't disclose it. So what
I'm hearing you say is that you didn't think you needed
to disclose anything that was more than 10 years old.
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Did I hear you correctly?
MR. DODSON: Because I misread the app.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I know the
app doesn't say that, but, because I've seen it myself.
MR. DODSON: I know.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What have you
been doing since 2004?
MR. DODSON: Staying out of trouble and
working.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where do you
work, sir?
MR. DODSON: Well, I was at the Peppermill for
almost like, you know, actually six years. And then I
moved out here for my kids, because their momma was
roaming. I set the goal. I moved down here. I've been
at 7-Eleven, probably do two days a week, three days,
you know. And I stayed out of trouble. And I'm not
drinking. I'm not messing with drugs. And if you give
me a chance, like I said, if I could stay out of trouble
this long, I'm done with it. The only thing that
matters to me are those two little mouths I got to feed.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. DODSON: That's all I care about. Because
at the end of the day, when the rest of the world turned
on me, you know, they're all I had. And I need to make
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a living. Right now, we're living in a shoe box. And
I'm scared to say this, because I don't know that you
all won't go call CPS on me. I'm doing the best I can.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I believe
you're doing the best you can. My issue is you didn't
disclose. All right. I'll see if the Board has got
other questions.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: How old are you since
you --
MR. DODSON: Seven 13. Their mama was a drug
addict. And I had to step up and be a man. That's why
I stopped all that nonsense.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The year total?
MR. DODSON: Yeah. And I got them from their
momma. Momma likes to smoke meth.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
questions?
I'll entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: From your statement,
you know, I'd love to, you know, give you that hand up
and other things like that. But you didn't disclose,
all these things you didn't disclose. And the reasons
you're giving are just not all that good. We do the
same for everybody. And, you know, I'm just trying to
figure out what's the best move and vote for you.
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MR. DODSON: Well, I --
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Where would you go to
work, where would you go to work if you are granted this
work card?
MR. DODSON: The company security is saying as
soon as I clear this, I can go to work tomorrow. All I
got to do is go over there and show them that I cleared
it up. For 13 years, I've displayed nothing but being
good. I won't even jaywalk. I don't drink. I mean
that should speak for itself. I'm not -- I've made
mistakes. Okay. Nobody's without sin. You know,
but --
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Can I ask a quick
question? Not to interrupt you. Sorry, but.
MR. DODSON: That's okay.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Where are you working
right now?
MR. DODSON: Well, I get one day a week at
7-Eleven.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: 7-Eleven. Okay.
MR. DODSON: And he's -- yeah, I get one day.
You know, we live from place to place to place. Those
kids go to school. They don't bother nobody. They're
good kids. And I don't feel much like I'm bad right
now. And I'm at the -- you know, the PT has just sent
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me. And I can't give them nothing for Christmas. And I
got a --
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Do you have any other
income?
MR. DODSON: No. No.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: It bothers me about not
disclosing. But the time and distance on that helps me
out a little bit, okay, a little bit better.
But I'll make a motion --
MR. DODSON: I won't let you down.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: -- to overturn the
denial for Mr. Van Dodson.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
have a motion to overturn. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any other
discussion?
All those in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Nay. The motion passes two to one.
MR. DODSON: So I can go right out and then go
to work?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Slow down. Slow down.
It may be a couple weeks. You talk to him.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. The
appeal has been granted. All right. Work with the
investigator, get your work card. Good luck.
Hopefully, we'll never see you again, or if we do, it's
only for good things.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Merry Christmas.
MR. DODSON: Thank you. I won't let you all
down. So maybe I can work. Thank you, folks. Merry
Christmas.
MR. MAXWELL: Merry Christmas.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. That
was interesting.
Your name again, ma'am?
MS. REED: Rochelle Reed.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Come on down.
Rochelle Reed.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Maxwell.
MR. MAXWELL: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Go ahead. It's
all yours.
MR. MAXWELL: June of 2007, out of California,
the applicant was charged with felony burglary.
Disposition was three years probation, one day jail.
This was the reason for denial. The arrest history was
submitted after the denial was issued.
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In September of 2007, out of California, felony
burglary, three years probation, 180 days jail, not
disclosed. Arrest history was submitted after denial
was issued.
January of 2008, out of California,
second-degree burglary. This was unknown. No
disposition was available on the fingerprint report.
This was not disclosed.
March of 2009, out of California, burglary at
an unknown level. No disposition available on the
fingerprint report. This was not disclosed.
November 2009, out of California, probation
violation, rearrest and revoke. This was unknown level.
No disposition available on the fingerprint report.
This was not disclosed.
2011, out of California, burglary at an unknown
level. Again, no disposition available on the
fingerprint report. This was not disclosed.
The applicant was initially made provisional.
She did not disclose on the application form, however
did provide an arrest history form after the denial was
received. All arrests were found on the fingerprint
report.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Ms. Reed, do you
understand you're under oath?
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MS. REED: Yes, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The first
question I have, what were you burglarizing, homes, or
were you shoplifting?
MS. REED: No. I had walked in with somebody.
I was with somebody. And she went in to go and
shoplift. But I was not with her while she was
shoplifting. I was with -- it shows me walking out the
door. We walked in together.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
That's fine on this one. All right. What about the
other four or five times?
MS. REED: Burglary.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You've been
arrested a bunch of times.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I've been thinking because
it's violation. But as for that, I only got in trouble
one time, with that burglary, because of me walking in.
That's why I'm shocked. Because all these burglaries, I
haven't been in trouble like that, back to back to back
for burglary. Going in and robbing, I don't do. I'm
confused right now when it comes to four or five
burglaries.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I've got one
probation violation. I've got one, two, three, four,
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and I got five arrests for burglary.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I think, different
dates.
MS. REED: Like I said --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Maxwell.
MR. MAXWELL: We're just confirming now, sir.
MS. REED: Because when I talked to -- when I
went in to talk to Paul, I believe his name is, that's
the one he brought up, is the 2007. That's when I got
in trouble. And she ended up going on a highway --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right.
MS. REED: -- pursuit with that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So, according to
you, all the arrests are one time?
MS. REED: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All the other
entries is because you were having trouble with your
probation or --
MS. REED: Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- not showing
up?
MS. REED: No, it was I had got -- I was living
in a complex.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right.
MS. REED: You know, when they come raid your
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apartment, if you're on probation or parole or anything,
you get sweeped up with that. And that's what I got
sweeped up with. But I haven't been in trouble.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. How long
have you been living in Nevada?
MS. REED: Three years, sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: 30 years?
MS. REED: No, three years.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, three years.
And what are you doing for employment?
MS. REED: At first, I was working -- I do
hair. And I was working with day care. I was watching
my friends' kids.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
MS. REED: They were paying me like that. And
then, before they denied me, I was doing security.
MR. MAXWELL: Sir, if I may?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, you may.
MR. MAXWELL: It looks like arrests one and two
are linked.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. MAXWELL: So they're part of the same
arrest procedure.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Got that.
MR. SALADINO: And then we got November 17,
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2009. That was a probation violation rearrest to where
they were revoking the probation.
MR. MAXWELL: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
MR. SALADINO: And then 2011 is a totally
separate, standalone, by itself, arrest with no
disposition, meaning they probably didn't prosecute on
that one.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So the original incident
happened on?
MR. SALADINO: June 25th of '07.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And she was on probation
for how long?
MR. SALADINO: It looked like it was supposed
to be 36 months. Then there was a rearrest.
MS. REED: 2010.
MR. SALADINO: The January of '08.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: And then March of '09 --
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So that arrest was --
MR. SALADINO: That was second-degree burglary.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So that was for
another burglary?
MR. SALADINO: Right.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
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MR. SALADINO: And then it looks like the '09
one, where it's just a count of burglary, was linked to
the probation violation. And then the November 17 was
the probation violation rearrest to revoke the
probation. So '07, and then we got three years, so that
would take us to 2010. There was a rearrest in '09.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
MR. SALADINO: Then 2011, it's a standalone
arrest.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: And 17, which was an
arrest because of the '11, 2011.
MR. SALADINO: November of 17, November 17 of
2009.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Oh, okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: She was arrested
in November in?
MR. SALADINO: '09.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: '09?
MR. SALADINO: Yes.
MS. REED: Can I say something?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I got that here.
Okay. So no police contact since '11 with an arrest?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: But she didn't
disclose anything, correct?
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MR. MAXWELL: No, sir.
MS. REED: It was -- okay. My felony for -- I
always thought it was fraud. When I went to go talk to
the PI, he told me it was burglary. From what I --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. My
question to you is, why didn't you disclose? I mean
even if you told me right now that you disclosed for
sitting in school, I would say, okay, you disclosed
something. You didn't disclose anything. So all is I'm
hearing is excuses.
MS. REED: No, I'm not --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And my question
is, why didn't you disclose any of these arrests?
MS. REED: Because I figured because it was so
long, I read the paper, and it said 10 years.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Where did you --
MS. REED: 10 years or longer. On the
application, when I put in the application.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Our application
has never said 10 years or longer.
MS. REED: So that's why I didn't put it,
because it was in two thousand --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Did you hear what
I said? Our application has never had a time period on
it. It says "Have you been arrested?"
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MS. REED: You're right. But I thought it said
the last 10 years or --
MR. MAXWELL: There's no time limit on it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We
could --
MS. REED: Okay. That's my mistake. That's my
mistake.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Well,
you didn't even disclose one thing. The gentleman
before you at least disclosed some things. But you
didn't disclose anything.
So I'll see what the Board does. What I have
normally done is request that you come back again and
fill out the application correctly.
MS. REED: Within a year, sir?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: In a year. One
of my biggest issues right now is the fact you said that
you read it and it said only the last 10 years. I know
what the application says. There's no time limit on
that. So you couldn't have read our application.
Anyway, I'm done. Does the Board got any other
questions?
I'll entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I move that we uphold the
denial of Ms. Rochelle Reed for her registration.
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any other
discussion?
So, for the record, you didn't disclose
anything. And you didn't fill out the application
correctly. But we will allow you to come back within a
year, fill out the application correctly. You know
everything you need to disclose.
MS. REED: Right.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And we'll see
what happens then. We do have time and distance. We
just don't have the actual information.
So that said, I have a motion. I have a
second. No further discussion. All those in favor,
state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD MEMBER FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. The appeal is denied.
All right. We got a bunch of them trailed. So
I need to call them for the record.
MR. INGRAM: Is there anybody in the north at
all?
MS. KLEMME: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: There's nobody
here. So what I probably will do -- I don't need to
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call them, I could just do a block vote, right?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We don't have
anybody. Oh, we got a yes. I got a yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I stopped talking.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We're
going to do a block vote. And my motion is that the
following will be denial of their appeals.
And, Kevin, why don't you call that as you see
it, what's on here.
MR. INGRAM: Sure. I have item number 53 on
the agenda, item number 55, item number 57, 58, 64, 69,
70, 73 and 74.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That is correct
on my sheet, also. So that's the motion. And those
that -- we're going to do a block vote that we will deny
their appeals. Do I have a motion?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Or a second?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do I have
a second? I made the motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second whatever you
said.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I third.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion,
and I have a second. Any other discussion?
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No other discussion. All those in favor, state
"aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carries.
All right. Do we have any other business
today?
MR. INGRAM: No. That concludes our business
for today. We will start with the number 75
disciplinary hearing tomorrow morning at 9:00 a.m., same
place.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Thank
you up north, look forward to seeing you tomorrow.
MR. INGRAM: Do you want to do one more call
for public comment?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Oh, I'm sorry.
Nobody go. Any other public, is there any public
comment at the end of the day today? Anybody want to
say anything?
All right. Does anybody up north want to say
anything?
Thank you. Have a good day. We're adjourned.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. This
is the meeting of the Private Investigators Licensing
Board for the State of Nevada. Today is the 11th of
December, approximately 9:15 a.m.
And we will start. Mr. Ingram, can we do a
roll call?
MR. INGRAM: Absolutely. Acting Chair Raymond
Flynn?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Here.
MR. INGRAM: Board Member Nixon?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Here.
MR. INGRAM: Board Member Gronauer?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Here.
MR. INGRAM: We have a quorum.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We have a quorum.
All right. Reference public comment. Members
of the general public may comment on matters appearing
on the agenda and may bring matters not appearing on the
agenda to the attention of the Board. The Board may
discuss the matters not appearing on the agenda but may
not act on the matters at this meeting. If the Board
desires, the matters may be placed on a future agenda
for action. Public comments may be limited to five
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minutes per person at the discretion of the Chairman but
will not be restricted according to viewpoint.
In addition to public comment being taken at
the beginning and the end of the meeting, public comment
may be accepted after each agenda item prior to the
Board taking action. However, prior to the commencement
and conclusion of a contested case or a quasi-judicial
proceeding that may affect the due process rights of an
individual, the Board will not consider public comment
pursuant to NRS 233B.126.
And, I believe, both of ours are quasi-judicial
today, correct, or do we have anything non?
MR. INGRAM: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So,
to start off with, is there any public comment this
morning?
Okay. And we don't have any up north. So.
All right. Mr. Ingram, what's our first agenda
item this morning?
MR. INGRAM: All right. So items number 75 and
76, we're waiting on a couple of individuals to show.
So if we could trail those two items and jump into item
number 77.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Item
number 77. Torrey Mitchell is appealing the issuance
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of Citation 1-0007-19 to the Board pursuant to NRS
648.165. For possible action.
MR. INGRAM: So item number 77, the Attorney
General's Office has attempted to serve Mr. Mitchell on
three different occasions, to no avail. We cannot prove
that he was ever served.
So with that respect, we really can't take
action on him. Nor can we move forward with collecting
on a citation. So right now, we pretty much have to let
it be the way it is. If he comes back into Nevada and
conducts unlicensed activity again, at that time, we
could take action.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And as we
discussed earlier, in the interim, well, let's find out
what state we believe he is residing in, and contact
that local licensing authority and let them know the
situation we have.
MR. INGRAM: Absolutely. We'll do that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
Since there's been no action or vote, so we'll move on
to the next item.
MR. INGRAM: So item number 78 is a review,
discussion and possible approval of the Settlement
Agreement and Release in the matters of Gallian Welker &
Beckstrom, L.C., and Raelene Palmer v., or vs. State of
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Nevada, Office of the Attorney General, PILB, and ESI
Security Services, and ESI Security Services vs. PILB,
Cross-Claim, Case Number A-18-782763-C. For possible
action.
MR. DETMER: And good morning. Mike Detmer,
for the record, from the Attorney General's Office.
This agenda item, as Director Ingram has
expressed, is for the possible review, discussion and
possible approval of the Settlement Agreement, the cause
of which is a civil complaint that was filed against
multiple parties, including the Board.
We can go on to this matter on the record. But
if the Board feels like it would benefit from a closed
session discussion, I can give additional background
information in a closed session.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yes, I would like
that.
MR. DETMER: So if the court -- court. If the
Board would like to go into a closed session, we can go
off record, and we would excuse the public, and we could
have that discussion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We'll
go into closed session. The public's excused. We'll
call you when we're ready.
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(At 9:23 a.m., a closed session began, and a discussion
was held off the record. Present were the members of
the Board, Mr. Detmer, Mr. Ingram and Mr. Saladino. At
9:42 a.m., the meeting was then opened back up to the
public and resumed as follows.)
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We just
finished our closed session. And let's proceed.
MR. DETMER: Good morning. We're back on the
record on agenda item 78. This is Mike Detmer from the
Attorney General's Office, for the record.
As said before, this is for review, discussion
and possible approval of the settlement, of the
Settlement Agreement and Release in the matters of
Gallian Welker & Beckstrom, et cetera, et cetera. This
has been previously mentioned as far as the actual
agenda item. I won't keep on reciting it. We just got
back from a closed session in which we discussed the
instant litigation.
In summary of this matter, as stated before,
this is a civil complaint that was filed by plaintiffs
Raelene Palmer, Gallian Welker, the law firm of Gallian
Welker & Beckstrom against multiple defendants,
including the Nevada Attorney General's Office, the
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Services.
And in very brief summary of the facts, circa
2015, administrative disciplinary proceedings were
initiated against the licensee, ESI Security Services,
by Raelene Palmer on behalf of the Board while she was
employed by the Nevada Attorney General's Office. In
the course of these proceedings, Ms. Palmer left the
Attorney General's Office, left the Attorney General's
office but continued to, was allowed to continue to
participate in the administrative proceedings since the
prosecution thereof.
The civil complaint seeks -- and, again, this
is in very brief summary. The civil complaint seeks
damages asking for restitution for the services provided
for prosecution of this, of the ESI proceedings. It's
important to note that after the complaint was filed,
ESI Security Services answered the complaint, along with
a cross-claim seeking equitable indemnity against the
Private Investigators Licensing Board.
With that, I would submit. I'm happy to answer
any questions the Board may have. This is for
discussion, review and possible action on approval of
the Settlement Agreement. If the Board does approve the
Settlement Agreement, it would be appreciated if the
Chairman would sign. If it doesn't, then we will -- if
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the Board does not approve, then we can go into further
discussion as far as where to go from here.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Me
personally, I thought we were thoroughly briefed. I
don't know, does anybody have any questions?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I do not.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: None.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And,
then, in that case, I'll call for a motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: This is Nixon. I move
that we accept the Settlement Agreement.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. I have a
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I second it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Any
further discussion?
Seeing none, I'll call for a vote. All those
in favor, state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
Okay. The motion carried. Thank you.
MR. DETMER: Thank you, Board.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. The
next item?
MR. INGRAM: Mr. Reid, are you ready for --
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MR. REID: Can we do Alfonso Redic at this
point?
MR. INGRAM: I'm sorry?
MR. REID: Can we do Alfonso Redic, the next
one, now?
MR. INGRAM: Sure.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Vinny, is
this yours?
MR. SALADINO: Just the denial part of this,
yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Give us a
summary.
MR. SALADINO: So the applicant applied on
October 30th of '19. His application was denied because
of the three outstanding unlicensed activity citations.
They're dated January 14th of 2019, January 16th of
2019, and March 21st of 2019. I believe, he has entered
into a payment plan. I'll defer to Investigator
Swarthout for that information.
MR. SWARTHOUT: The applicant has entered into
a payment plan.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You've got to
speak up.
MR. SWARTHOUT: Mr. Redic has entered into a
payment plan. He is current on his payment plan with
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the Board. I can provide copies to the Board if they so
need to see it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Remind me what
the fine was.
MR. SWARTHOUT: So he entered a payment plan on
the three citations. The first one was 2,500. The
second one was 5,000. And the third one was 10,000.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. And when
will this all be paid up based on the schedule?
MR. SWARTHOUT: The payment plan is set for one
year. And then it would be renegotiated at the end of
that year.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Renegotiated
what, continue payments?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Continue payments.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And you guys are
good with this?
MR. INGRAM: Mr. Redic came into our office
with his counsel, Mr. Reid. And we discussed a payment
plan. He provided a down payment of 1,500, 500 per
citation as a down payment. And then we have him set up
on $300 a month thereafter, to be renegotiated at the
end of a one-year period of time. He is under the
understanding that if he pays it off sooner, obviously,
the renegotiated amounts could go down.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. INGRAM: And it is something that we
entered into voluntarily.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
what is the -- just to remind the Board here, what is
the status of his work card?
MR. SWARTHOUT: He does not have one at this
time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. INGRAM: I'll give you a little bit more of
an overview, if I may. Mr. Redic was a party to another
unlicensed activity citation that was given to another
individual. He was working with a group of individuals
one night. And the other individual spoke to Mr. Redic
and said, "You need to make things right with the
Board."
So Mr. Redic came in, and he said he wanted to
make things right with the Board. He didn't understand
the severity of the occurrences, wanted to get things
right, wanted to go ahead and apply for a work card so
that he could continue working legally for a licensed
holder. I discussed with him and his attorney that I
can't grant that, that that would be something that
would have to be approved by the Board, for him to move
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us. But if he wanted to enter into the payment plan and
apply for a work card, I explained to him that we would
deny him that day, which we did, and that he would have
the opportunity to appeal to the Board to assist him and
continue his payment plan.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. INGRAM: That's all.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. And
then, looking at the package here, there's no criminal
history for Mr. Redic, right, not even a traffic ticket,
that we know of?
MR. SALADINO: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah. Okay. All
right. Mr. Redic, do you or your counsel have anything
you want to say?
Do we need to do oath?
MR. DETMER: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So
everybody needs to do an oath before.
MR. INGRAM: Mr. Plant, do you want to go ahead
and stand, so we can swear you in at the same time?
MR. DETMER: And for those who are going to
testify, do you hereby swear, swear or affirm to tell
the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?
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MR. DETMER: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Reid, do you
have any questions, anything you want to say to us?
MR. REID: Sure. This is Stephen Reid, counsel
for Alfonso Redic.
Members of the Board, this was a
misunderstanding from my client, from several clients
here. They've been employed for, I know, for many
years. They were not under the notion that they needed
to have this license. They were not aware about this.
He got the first one. Twice, the same. The
second one, that's when he came to my office. He wasn't
actually aware of the third one until he went to,
actually went to the Director's office and they detailed
that.
So he does understand that he needs his work
card, he needs the business to be licensed, and he needs
to be under a licensed person who has with the PILB
Board, and to make sure that he is doing everything he
needs to do safely and adequately and has the correct
training, and that he's not doing what he was doing
before. Because his employment terminated, and he just
was paid just to do what he was doing.
But we're in a different stage now. He
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realizes what's going on. And that's why we both, that
we came to the Executive Director's office and came to
this path, this planned payment, and to get on the right
track.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Anything you want
to say?
MR. REDIC: Pretty much he summed up
everything. I was unaware of the whole process. So I'm
aware. We sat down with Kevin, and he explained
everything. And I'm pretty much up on it now.
MR. REID: And the Executive Director spent
almost two hours with us going through a lot of
different details. And so, and, I think, it hit home
exactly how intense and difficult these processes are.
But, once again, if he's able to get his work
card, he does want to find a licensed person to work
under and work with so that he can be employed by that
person. Right now, he's working as a security at Crazy
Horse.
MR. REDIC: Crazy Horse.
MR. REID: And so he wants to, he wants to move
away from that and work with someone.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Are you
working full-time now?
MR. REDIC: Part-time.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Part-time.
That's your only employment right now?
MR. REDIC: Only employment, yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: How long have you
lived in Nevada?
MR. REDIC: I'm from here.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So you're from
here?
MR. REDIC: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I don't have
anything else.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I just want to be clear.
So all of this information, all that -- okay. So, with
that.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I just need a
clarification, also, and even -- and you could give him
a work card or grant him a work card, because you can't.
But did he reapply for a work card?
MR. INGRAM: He applied at that time. When he
came in to discuss the payment plan with me, I explained
the process for a work card, that he needed to get one.
So he applied that day. We denied him that day.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So he didn't have a work
card?
MR. INGRAM: He never had a work card.
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. And my other
question, yeah, so what's this process now? If we, if
we, the Board, agrees on this agreement for payment,
what's this, where are we at with his work card, to do?
MR. INGRAM: Today you're making a decision on
whether you're going to uphold the denial or if you're
going to grant him his work card. If you do grant him
his work card, he'll have a work card this afternoon.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The payment
plan's already been set.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: My biggest thing is I
want to make sure. And I'm doing the motion. Okay.
Oh, I'm doing the motion.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. So
just so we have clarification, especially for the
record, Mr. Redic was engaged in unlicensed activity and
received citations for that, has admitted to the
unlicensed activity, and he's making payments, and a
payment plan that you're agreeable with?
MR. INGRAM: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We told
him that he needs to be licensed to continue with his
profession. So he has applied for a work card. Because
of the status, and you didn't have the authority to give
it to him, you guys automatically denied the work card.
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MR. INGRAM: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So he's here
doing everything we've asked him to do to make his
activity legal, plus paying the fine for the unlicensed
activity.
So I will entertain a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make a motion.
Gronauer. I'll make a motion that -- we are in entering
him with the payment plan. So I'm making a motion,
that's knowing the back story here, that Mr. Redic be
granted a work card at this time.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. We have a
motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'd like to just add
one amendment to it. But with this situation, that he
continues to pay and we follow through with it.
MR. REID: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, and that's
a question for counsel. Can we, if he was to fall
behind on payments or choose not to make any more
payments, could we hold his card, then, for disciplinary
reasons?
MR. DETMER: Does your regulations and statute
have a provision for conditional issues of work cards in
the sense that if you grant him this work card on the
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condition that he maintain payments, or something to
that effect?
MR. INGRAM: There's nothing in the statute
that says that. However, traditionally, the Board has
been given the ability to set conditions on work cards.
The example I'll give you, that has happened several
times with the Board, is an individual who's a peace
officer who wants to get a work card to only do mystery
shopping. The Board has granted on three separate
occasions a work card that could only be used for
mystery shopping and cannot be used for any other types
of security. The Board has granted conditions before.
But we don't have a statute that specifically says that.
MR. DETMER: I have read opinions that have
said that, that is, the ability to lay conditions is
inherent to the ability to issue a license specifically.
But, I think, that might be parallel with word cards.
MR. REID: And if I may, from my review of the
rules, is that there's no rule saying that you can't do
it. So there's no reason why you can't do it. So
there's no reason why you can't do it.
So I've spoken to my client and have explained
that if the Board does decide that he's complied and
he's making the payments, that there will be no issues.
I mean, I think, practically, what can happen is that if
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he were not making the payments, then he could go on the
next Board here on an agenda item to say, "Go forth with
action. He's not making the payments like he's supposed
to," and his card would be suspended at that point.
And my client understands that, and he does
want to continue to pay it so he can keep his work card.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, it's not on
discussion of this motion of mine.
MR. REID: Sorry.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: There's no discussion
of it. I understood from the beginning that in a year,
we're to review it. So that may give some standing at
that point.
MR. REID: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The standing at that
point, if he doesn't follow through, and a year later we
look at it again, and we can do whatever we might be
able to do at that time.
MR. DETMER: Right.
MR. INGRAM: Well, the other thing that's
outlined in the payment plan is that if he defaults,
that we can move forward with collections through the
Controller's Office. The Controller's Office passed a
rule a couple of sessions ago actually, not this last
session, but before, that said if somebody is in debt to
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the State of Nevada, that the Controller's Office can
mandate that the licensing board that issued the card
could revoke. But that's without due process.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.
MR. INGRAM: So there's a lot of different
things in place that would present us from falling into.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Because they were
involved.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Do you want to
add to your motion that we'll get a status update in one
year?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Add on to the motion
that we will get a status update in one year.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I have a motion.
Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I'll second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
All in favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. Congratulations.
MR. REID: Thank you very much.
MR. REDIC: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
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MR. INGRAM: It looks like we can move forward
with item number 75, Mr. Adam Plant.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Item
number 75, the continuation of the disciplinary hearing
for Adam Plant, R-085960, pursuant to NRS 648.156. For
possible action.
Good morning.
MR. PLANT: Good morning.
MR. REID: Good morning. Stephen Reid for the
respondent in this case, Mr. Plant.
MS. BORDELOVE: I'm Rosalie Bordelove, on
behalf of the Board.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Can you guys hear
Rosalie?
MS. BORDELOVE: I'll move down.
(There was a minute off the record.)
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Do
you want to state it again, to make sure she got it?
MS. BORDELOVE: Sure. I'm Rosalie Bordelove,
for the Board.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
MS. BORDELOVE: I think, I can start here, or.
MR. REID: We started at the last hearing,
which was a few months ago now, but that the last
closing, that Rosalie had done her closing argument.
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However, it's been some months, so we agreed that she
would summarize her closing, or she wouldn't do the
whole closing again, because we were before the Board
just a few months ago. I understand you guys have the
transcripts from the last. However, those are best, but
because of the time, that she had some more time to
explain to you her closing.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sure. I mean I
don't have an issue. Kevin sent us the transcripts, and
he ordered us to read it on our weekend, but.
MS. BORDELOVE: I'm going to be pretty brief.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You take, you do
what you need to do.
MS. BORDELOVE: I plan to be pretty brief,
because I do know you have the transcript. And I had a
chance to review what happened last time. And I had at
the last hearing given the closing. Mr. Reid had begun
his closing and then was cut off because we lost our
remote part and our stenographer, and so we had to end
the meeting then. So I'm just going to summarize pretty
briefly.
At the last hearing, I showed to you that the
respondent here had five unlicensed activity citations
between August of 2018 and January of 2019. He had a
meeting with the Board, after the first citation, where
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the Board gave him a licensing application and explained
some of the issues. And so I'm just going to kind of
remind of those facts and what we had gone through, and
remind you of the two applicable statutes we're looking
at here. NRS 648.060 is the provision that was violated
with the unlicensed activity. And NRS 648.156 is the
provision regarding his registered work card.
Revocation is kind of the only option you're
given. It's not as broad as it is for anything you can
do on licensees. However, it is a permit that is your
choice whether or not to revoke. And it's that the
Board may revoke upon a finding that that work card
holder has violated a provision of the chapter. And so
it's up to the Board today whether that's something they
want to do.
Since our last hearing, Mr. Plant has entered
into a payment plan with the Board on the citations. He
is current on that payment plan. I think, either, 1,800
or 2,100 has been paid towards it. But he is current on
payments. So I'm not positive which payment we're at
right now at this time. But I'm sure Mr. Ingram can
update you on that if you would like. But he is current
on the payment plan that he entered into with the Board.
And that's pretty much my summary of what's
going forward. And so I ask you today to just review
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the facts and then make a decision of what you'd like to
do.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Kevin, do you
want to tell us what the -- finalize where we're at?
MR. INGRAM: Absolutely. So Mr. Plant, as
counsel had said, originally had two citations that were
unpaid that went to the Controller's Office for
collection. He's in a payment plan with the
Controller's Office, I believe, on those two outstanding
citations that were already referred to the Controller.
We cannot take payment for that.
The three outstanding citations, for the total
of $30,000, is what he is currently in a payment plan
for, similar to that that we discussed with Mr. Redic.
On October 25th, he gave us a down payment for the $500
per citation, 1,500. He made his payment in November on
time in the amount of 300. And he actually came into
the office yesterday and paid an additional 300 not due
until December 25th.
So he is on track and his payments are
up-to-date. In our discussion with Mr. Plant, he
assured me that he wants to get it paid off sooner than
later and asked if there was any penalty for him to make
extra payments or, quote, prepay the outstanding amount.
Which we discussed there would be no penalty for
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prepayment.
He also is in an agreement for a period of one
year. At that time, based on his income, we would
renegotiate the payments. He feels that if he's granted
his work card and can continue to work and make more
money, that that's how he can pay more towards the
citation. And, again, we would just renegotiate it in a
year or previous to that if you so chose.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So right
now, I mean, without getting out a calculator, we're
talking about nine years at $300 a month to pay
everything off?
MR. INGRAM: Correct.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Do you
know how much went to the Controller's Office?
MR. INGRAM: I do not know that. Do one of
you?
MR. SWARTHOUT: Two citations. The first one
was 2,500. The second one was 5,000. So that's 7,500.
MR. INGRAM: How much is he paying?
MR. SWARTHOUT: I do not know that.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I can --
Mr. Reid, you're asking a question?
MR. REID: I'm asking my client how much he's
paying a month.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'm
curious.
MR. PLANT: Yes. Recently, I mailed out two
$20 payments. You know, and the reason why they were
that low is because when I mailed off a payment before,
they said it was the wrong office. And I even came by.
When I made my payment for the citations here in Vegas,
I asked them, you know, to give me the correct address
so I can know, if I'm behind on those other two
payments, I can get those caught up. And I just, and we
just hadn't got that clarity of, you know, what's the
right address. You know, and so I will pay more when I
get that information, because I definitely want to pay
on all these citations.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. So,
basically, you paid $40 towards 7,500?
MR. REID: No, no, he's paid -- that's his most
recent payment. He made payments prior, previously, but
they were going to -- but they were, again, deposited in
some of the payments. But there were some where he
would send them to the PILB Board on Durango. And
there's another office in Reno, Reno or Carson City.
MR. PLANT: My first two were sent there.
MR. REID: And so they got sent back. So then
he sent the two $20 just to say, "Hey, can you confirm
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you're receiving these?"
MR. PLANT: Right.
MR. REID: And then so he can send more.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So this --
MR. PLANT: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: At the bare
minimum, to staff, at the next meeting, I want to know
how much he's paid.
MR. INGRAM: Sure.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Thank you.
So, anything else?
MR. REID: That's the question that was asked,
sir.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Rosalie, anything
else?
MS. BORDELOVE: No.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So it's up to --
MS. BORDELOVE: It is up to you to make -- and,
Mr. Reid, I don't know if you had any other.
MR. REID: Yeah, I have no further.
MR. BORDELOVE: I don't think he's done with
closing yet. He's got --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We got like 700
pages there. I think, he is.
MR. REID: So these were from before. So.
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MS. BORDELOVE: Same with mine.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Mr. Reid,
go ahead.
MR. REID: So --
(There was a problem with a chair.)
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I knew I was
putting on some extra weight.
MR. INGRAM: Let's get you another chair.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The chair broke
here. We're taking like a 30-second break.
(There was a minute off the record, 10:09 a.m.)
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All safe
and sound. We're going back on the record. We're going
on the record with that explosion, just so you know.
All right. Yes.
MR. PLANT: If I could get the proper address
and place where I need to send those payments, I can
actually make a payment today.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: You need to work
with one of the investigators on that. You guys can
exchange that, and they'll help you.
MR. PLANT: Well, I appreciate you offering
that, so.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Mr. Reid, the
time is yours.
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MR. REID: So I don't know how far I got on my
closing statement the last time. However, I'll just
quickly go over some issues.
I did have a legal, and I still do, I believe,
have a legal argument as to the citations were not
specific with regards to the actual action that was
carried out. However, based upon the time that's
elapsed since the last hearing and what's developed
since then, I've come to a different plan of defense,
which is the fact that my client and the previous client
actually went on TV at around six weeks ago. And it was
broadcast across the state.
And during the interview, they were being
questioned about working with Shaquille O'Neal and
working with him. And about halfway through, my clients
that are here sat there and said, "Hey" -- one of the
questions was, well, what if -- or, "How does someone
get into becoming a private security guard?" And the
question -- and just so you know, this video was
provided to the Executive Director and to Rosalie. That
question was asked. And my client answered very
specifically, said, "Hey, I just want to address
everyone," words to the effect of, "I just want to
address everyone right now, if everyone, anyone is
looking to get into private security, they need to
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contact the PILB board. They have some strict measures
in place. Do not cross the path with them, like" -- he
admitted that -- "like I've done. I messed up."
What we have here is someone that really, to
some degree, needed a slap on the wrist, and he did get
that. He was -- he had done the one unlicensed
activity. He saw the piece of paper, and he came into
the Board, signed it. It was a work card, I believe it
was. And he was told how to get his license and what he
needs to do and that he needs to work under a license.
But he didn't understand that. He continued. It was
the same as the prior client, is that he was working,
and over the years he worked for Shaquille O'Neal. And
before that, it was Snoop Dogg. And so he wasn't aware
of the whole process. He wasn't aware of how serious it
was.
We've got someone now who does have a work
card, but that was, that was taken away based upon these
citations. He is in a payment plan with the
Controller's Office, but they don't have -- in my
understanding, they don't have a strict payment plan.
They just have a, "You owe this amount of money. We
want a minimum of this amount per month." I don't know
that for sure, but I know that he has been making the
payments.
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We did enter the Executive Director's office
last month, six weeks ago, and we did sit down, and we
did discuss how much is owed on the three citations,
which is the $30,000. And he did pay 15,000 -- $1,500
down. And right now, the payment's are $300 per month.
He would like to increase that, and that's why
he's paid this extra money just yesterday, because, for
two reasons. Number one, he wants to pay more per
month. And, also, two, is that he didn't want to come
to Christmas time, and it's due on December 25th, and
him miss the payment or be a day late or whatever, to
make sure that it was on time.
We have a situation where the Board has a job
to do. And I don't want to tell you your job. But I
did actually know someone who was on the chair for a
long time, that was a friend of mine. And one of the
things he would always say to me was that his job on the
Board is to protect the public and to make sure this
isn't -- to protect and make sure that if anything
happens, if any private process server or anyone doesn't
do that, that they can come down and take their
licenses, whatever they need to do.
In this case, we've got a gentleman which he
did not know the law. He didn't know about what he was
doing. He got told two or three times before on what to
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do and still didn't understand it. And even, too, to
this day, to a certain degree, I think, he doesn't
understand the seriousness of how to get a license. He
hasn't worked. The license still has got some questions
marks there.
But what we have is someone who's now comes
with me and says, "Yes, I messed up. I'm going to pay
this off." He's paid a substantial amount down. He's
continued to pay that amount. You determined that
earlier. He's come to the Board to say, "Hey, I would
like to work. I would like to be able to work under
your license or a work card under your license, under
your authority, that if I mess up, then you can take
that away, and that's my livelihood."
He's not someone who's here to try and cause
any problems. We know that there's the criminal case
for this case, for this actual instant from January 14th
when he was arrested for unlicensed activity. There was
a subsequent arrest, which I'm sure that that's been
made aware, and that that was, that's been dismissed
through negotiations of the charges. He did not plead
guilty. It was a -- he did plead no contest. It was a
submittal and dismissed.
And he's here to say that he messed up. He
would like to be put back, yeah, so he can work, so he
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can be a good asset to the community.
One of the arguments I had the last time was
that the Executive Director almost like used him as a
platform, because he is one of the most recognized
bodyguards out there, and he was doing something he
shouldn't be doing. And once he got arrested, which is
the first time in, in my understanding, the history for
the PILB Board, was that it sent shock waves across the
bodyguard community. And, I believe, it was the next
day there was six to eight people came in to try and get
their licenses, try and get their work card, because
they didn't want to do what he -- what happened to him.
He went an additional step, and he went on TV
and made that very, very clear. And, I believe, the
Executive Director was happy with that, with the comment
that he made on TV to anyone, "Hey, if you want to be a
bodyguard, you need to speak to the PILB Board, and you
need to make sure you get on track with them and get
your license with them." It was very specific. It
wasn't intentional. He was invited to come to TV,
irrespective of this stuff. But when he was also
questioned, in a stricter light for him, and he said,
"No, I'm going to make sure that this gets the word
across."
He's not trying to deceive anyone. He's not
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trying to cause any issues here. He would like to go
back to work.
And if my client wants to say anything as well,
I would like him to say what he would like to say.
MR. PLANT: So just to what Mr. Reid just said,
I've learned my lesson. When I got arrested, that was
the first time ever in America in my life, and at 44, on
December 17, that I've ever been arrested. There's no
criminal history, ever. I'm a standup man. I take care
of my wife and my kids, like I said in the first
meeting.
And recently, me and my wife started a
cheesecake company. So I left that flyer for you guys,
too. So I'm really on the tail end of security, period.
We have got cheesecake over there. So I'm excited to
tell you that.
And, you know, I've learned my lesson, though.
And I just don't want any stains to my name. So,
basically, if I'm granted my card again, I don't think
I'll do security anymore. But if I do, I just want to
be in the setting that if that, if it comes across, if I
come across a client that I can work for.
But the way the business is going with me and
my wife, and which we have a license, Nevada license,
everything, so I'm going to be talking tasty cheese
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cheesecake. And, please, if you can get some, you'll
see why I say we're the best cheesecake on earth.
So that's what I'm going, that's something to
look forward to. And like I say, I just don't want
anything on my name anymore. And like she said, when I
did get arrested, I can't tell you number of -- that's
serious, you don't want to go through that process. So
I did my job.
MR. REID: Just a bit with the cheesecake, he
did come to my office with his wife, and all licenses.
MR. PLANT: All of them.
MR. REID: But the question that came across
was, "Are we allowed to do this?" "Well, what do you
mean?" "Are we allowed to sell cheesecakes?" "Of
course, you are. You just need a business license."
And so I've explained everything to him and his wife. I
explained to him more about how to do that and what to
do. Because it was, it's a new platform for my client.
So I just can't emphasize enough is that it
wasn't anything intentional. It was just that he was --
had the conversation.
MR. PLANT: Right.
MR. REID: "I done that, but I just was kind of
disregarding it and thinking, hey, I can bury my head in
the sand." Not at all.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Real quick
question, and somebody remind me. What was the second
arrest for?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It was for solicitation.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: What?
MR. REID: Solicitation.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Of prostitution?
MR. REID: Yes. Yeah, but that was dismissed.
It was that was the charge filed. But I went in front
of the court earlier, and the district attorney said
that, yeah, case dismissed.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And the other
criminal case, Zero's?
MR. INGRAM: It's set. No, the D.A. hasn't
picked it up yet.
MS. BORDELOVE: Yeah, we don't know what its
status will be at this point. I think, the next status
check is in January, and it's to determine whether the
D.A. is going to file a complaint. It's in the D.A.'s
hands.
MR. REID: And from speaking to the screening
office at the District Attorney's Office, they said
they're waiting for the PILB Board or the A.G.'s Office
to make a decision.
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the discussion. First of all, I appreciate your
attitude this morning. Now it all makes sense why you
wore that T-shirt. Because last time, you were dressed
as nicely as I was.
MR. PLANT: Yes, I was.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I do want to say
this, because, I think, I hit it on the head last time.
And I got a lot of respect with your wife. And she
agreed with me. And I agree with her. You were
thick-headed. You didn't sacrifice anything. I mean
you had plenty of chances before you got arrested. You
got arrested because you didn't take it serious. And
look what happened.
I haven't seen the video. I look forward to
somebody sending it to me. I appreciate your comments.
So. And we've got payment plans going. You're making
payments. You're looking for another avenue and
business. I do believe, if you get a card, because
you're well-known in the industry, you will still work
in the industry, maybe not as much as you did before.
But you're well-known and well-respected in the
industry.
So, but don't make any mistakes. We're here
because you didn't -- we couldn't get your attention
that you were doing something wrong. And you forced the
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Board to go the arrest route. That's why you're the
first one ever.
Okay. So. But I appreciate everything that
was said today by both you and your counsel. So I will
leave it up to my fellow Board members if they have
questions.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I have a statement to
make. I don't think it's so much of a question. Part
of your defense last time was that when you went for
your work card, you thought it was a license, and
something like that, you commented that you were
working, and you weren't explained that.
MR. PLANT: Right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The NRS was read to
you, and it's right here, that explained to you what a
work card is and what a license is. And you have to
understand, you will have to work for a licensed person.
The last time, not only your wife was in the audience,
but there was another gentleman. There was a gentlemen
in the audience who said that he was willing to give you
a job.
MR. PLANT: Yeah, William Whittell.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Yeah. He was sitting
over, right in front. And he said he was willing to
give you a job at that time under his license.
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MR. PLANT: Right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: So I'm just saying that
I believe here that you are going to have opportunities
in the future. I don't know where we're going today
with you. Okay. We're a Board that decides in full.
But I appreciate you coming. And, I think, your wife
will appreciate it.
MR. PLANT: Well, you are more appreciative.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Let's stick with the
card and what we're here for.
MR. PLANT: Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: The thing to me is if
we're on a payment plan, we got make sure the payment
plan is paid. And then, that if something happens here,
we'll have to see where we go with that, also. Okay.
But I'm just saying I'm happier here. I've
determined your attitude is much better than the last
time. You were friendly, but you were different.
MR. PLANT: Yes, sir.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. So I appreciate
it. And I appreciate the remarks from both of you all.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yeah, I feel much the same
way. I think that I appreciate it. I can see that the
-- you know, again, I'm in the industry. I'm a license
holder, and I a very large group of people that work for
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me. And one of the things that scares me the most is
people like you that don't have a license or hire other
people to work. We have people come in front of us
every day or every time we're here that do all kinds of
bad behavior, and we can't regulate it or pull their
cards from them if they don't have cards. So it becomes
an issue.
Again, I feel like it's resonated with you in a
positive way, and I appreciate that. I think, if you
would have asked me last time we met whether or not I'd
approve a license for you, I'd say absolutely not,
because you were adamant that you had not done wrong,
although you had been told, you know, three times that
you had done wrong.
MR. PLANT: Right.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So I appreciate the
change. I look forward to the decision.
MR. PLANT: Thank you.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Kevin, I know you spent a lot of time on this. Anything
you want to state?
MR. INGRAM: Yeah, I'll make a couple comments.
I do agree with what the Board has said today. You and
I, Adam, had quite a few conversations where I made it
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very clear what the expectations were, very clear what
the laws were.
MR. PLANT: Right.
MR. INGRAM: On three different occasions with
you. And, again, you just chose to go forward. Which
is very frustrating for me. And I was very
disappointed, to be honest with you. Because I feel
that you knew what the right thing to do was and that
you chose not to.
I think, the arrest was, as Mr. Reid had
stated, while it might have been the appearance that we
wanted to effect arrest on you, the reason you were
arrested is because you had five unlicensed activity
citations. We've never, in the time that I've been on
the Board, issued more than three. So I took that as,
"I don't care. I'm not going to listen to you." And it
did force our hand to move forward with Las Vegas Metro.
Okay.
In the meantime, you have had a change of
heart, I believe. You and your attorney met with me in
my office. You took responsibility for your actions, as
opposed to, "I didn't know. I didn't know." And you've
entered a payment plan.
Well, the whole result that me and my staff
were looking for, from the very first time we issued a
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citation, was for you to become compliant, for you to do
things right, for you to either get a work card or work
for -- keep your work card and work for a licensed
holder and be paid by that licensed holder instead of
your clients, or to go forward with licensure. That was
the all-time goal from day one.
MR. PLANT: Right.
MR. INGRAM: Okay. So it wasn't personal. It
was business. And the actions that you chose to take
determined the actions that I have to take.
With that said, I appreciate you going into the
payment plan with me, and being current. I look forward
to renegotiating in a year, if you don't have it paid
off already. And best of luck to you.
MR. PLANT: Thank you.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right.
Whatever the motion is, I'll be adding that there be
status checks since. And, also, next year, I would ask
that you engage in some type of negotiations to see what
the outcome, nine years, two years and another year from
now. Let's see what happens.
MR. DETMER: And, Chairman, if I may. Mike
Detmer for the record, from the Attorney General's
Office.
This is only my second meeting with the Board.
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And I'm sure the mechanism that the Board has to place
for adjudication of these disciplinary hearings is fine.
But just vocalizing my prior practice, when I put the
disciplinary hearing with the complaint, typically what
I see is a motion to make a determination on the
violation. Then after that is decided, go into
sentencing if a violation is found.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay.
MR. DETMER: And I didn't mean to interrupt. I
hate to interrupt. But I wasn't sure of what the
standard practice was.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, what we
have here is a --
MR. INGRAM: It's a disciplinary.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Disciplinary
hearing.
MR. DETMER: As pointed out by --
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We've done so
many appeals, so.
MR. DETMER: I completely understand.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I appreciate you
pointing that out at the top.
MR. DETMER: And as Chief Deputy Bordelove
pointed out, as far as the sentencing, disciplinary
regulation, as far as discipline goes, it is permissive.
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It does say as far as the Board has the discretion to,
but it seems to be limited to revoke or not revoke.
But, again, it's permissible.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So what we'll be ruling on
today is to?
MR. DETMER: Two motions.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. One would be to
grant the appeal for the guard card?
MR. DETMER: My understanding, unless I'm
mistaken, is that this was charged as a complaint. So
it would be the determination as to whether or not by a
preponderance of the evidence a violation has occurred
as charged. If no violation is found, that's the end of
it. If a violation is found, but by vote, then the next
motion would be for sentencing, discipline.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Then on the appeal --
MR. INGRAM: That's different from the
citations. This was a complaint brought against him
based on the ongoing citations that his work card be
revoked.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Again, I'm kind
of confused. I understand the difference between a
hearing and the appeals. But I'm having a problem with
revoking a work card. I don't believe he has one.
MR. INGRAM: He does.
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BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, he does?
MR. INGRAM: The work card is suspended.
MS. BORDELOVE: Yes.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Oh, okay. Yeah, I
guess, if it was suspended, don't have it. Okay. All
right.
MS. BORDELOVE: If it helps to clarify --
Rosalie Bordelove, for the record.
If it helps to clarify, yes, a complaint was
brought. And, I think, if you have any of the exhibits,
it should probably be one of the first exhibits to our
transcript from last time, is the complaint itself.
And so, as Mr. Detmer was saying, then you'll
make a finding of fact first, because this will set it
out to an eventual order from the Board. And so the
findings of fact. And if you want to reference the
factual allegations in the complaint, those are the ones
we went through at the last hearing.
And then you could even do this into almost
three parts. There's also a violation of law alleged in
the complaint. Basically, that is that there was, what
I've alleged is that Mr. Plant had unlicensed activity
citation, citations, violated NRS 648.060. And because
of that, he's subject to discipline, including potential
revocation of his license under NRS 648.156.
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And then kind of as a third step, the decision
would be whether or not you want to revoke his license
under that NRS.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Revoke his work
card.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: His work card.
MS. BORDELOVE: I misspoke, then, I guess.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's why we
keep getting confused.
MS. BORDELOVE: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Sometimes we use
work card. Sometimes we use license.
MS. BORDELOVE: Oh, there's no licenses. That
was my mistake.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right. Yeah, no
problem.
MS. BORDELOVE: Yes, Mr. Plant has a work card
that is currently in suspended status. And so the
complaint on this is regarding his work card. And the
choice, the final choice you'll be making, the first
would be findings of fact, if you found that they've
been proven by a preponderance of the evidence. And if
they have, then it's whether you find that I've proved
the violation of law by a preponderance of the evidence.
And if that one, also you find that that has been
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proven, then the question is whether or not to revoke
the work card.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Thank you. That's
clear.
MS. BORDELOVE: And it's in suspended status
pending, essentially, this hearing. And so it's whether
to revoke the work card. Or if you choose not to revoke
it, it will come out of suspension status and he would
be permitted to work.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay. So then it would be
three different motions or one motion for all of it?
MS. BORDELOVE: It might be clearest to do
three, to allow either myself or Mr. Detmer to write the
order later, because there will be a written order
issued by the Board, as the basis. So that's depending
on what you decide.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: So let's do this
right. I'll look for assistance on -- what do you want
us to do to the first motion?
MS. BORDELOVE: Take a look, and you can do
this as -- you need at least three. But the first can
be one, or it can be multiple. But look towards the
factual allegations in the complaint, and determine
whether they've been proven by a preponderance of the
evidence. And you could take them individually. You
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can take them as one whole block. It's kind of your
decision how you'd like to do that. Because you can
look at them there, a guideline, and you can say, "We're
finding these facts as listed in the complaint." Or you
can say, "Well, we found some proved, but not all."
It's your decision on that.
MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record.
What I've done in this fashion in the past,
typically what I do is I ask the Board to review the
findings of fact, the factual allegations, excuse me,
and individually review it yourself. And then, if
there's no issue with any of the facts as perceived by a
preponderance, then you can do a block vote. If you
individually see an issue with a fact, we can address
it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. All right.
MR. REID: So the first step. Then, once we
get through the facts, then we go to the second step.
And then the third step.
MS. BORDELOVE: Exactly.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. My
left hand knows what's going on.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: And my left hand.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. Okay.
We will proceed. I will entertain the first of three
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motions, hopefully.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: If I understand it -- this
is Nixon. I make a motion, I make a motion that we,
that --
MR. DETMER: Preponderance of the evidence.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: That due to the
preponderance of the evidence, we agree that the
respondent, Adam Plant, was at all that time performing
unregistered activity.
MR. DETMER: And I'm sorry, Board Member Nixon.
It was my fault how I characterized it. If the motion
it to -- is the motion that findings of fact as alleged
in the complaint have a been proven by a preponderance
of the evidence, or that it was not?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: It was.
MR. DETMER: Okay.
MR. REID: So just to clarify, with all this
going back and forth, is that -- I was going to say that
as issued in the complaint, that you find the findings
of fact to be true and accurate, and that encapsulates
all of the facts and allegations per the complaint.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: True and --
MR. DETMER: You heard the findings of fact.
It looks likes it's findings of fact or factual
allegations.
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MR. REID: Yeah. And I believe that the
motion, I believe, the motion is, in the moment, that
they would actually like to find the findings of
facts --
MR. DETMER: Factual allegations.
MR. REID: -- the factual allegations that are
contained in the complaint to be true based upon a
preponderance of the evidence.
MR. DETMER: Yes, that'll be fine.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: What he said.
MR. REID: Is that correct, what the motion
would be?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes. So let's try this
again.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: It's okay. This
is a once in a lifetime case. There's nothing we can do
about it.
Let's try one more time.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So this is Nixon. I make
the motion that we find that the evidence, factual
findings, factual, to be true based on the preponderance
of the evidence. Maybe.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: No, and okay. So
that's your motion.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
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ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. I
would, I think, just to make it clear --
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes, please.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: -- I would say,
based on the written complaint dated the 21st of May,
2019.
MR. DETMER: That, so that would be your motion
as amended?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Yeah, I'm
amending hers.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Add to hers, to
amend that. So we all are talking about the same
document. All right?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Yes.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's the
motion. Do I have a second?
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We
have a motion and a second. Okay. Any discussion?
Okay. And for the record, I -- this is Ray
Flynn. I believe that there was more than enough
evidence shown to support the citations of the
unlicensed activity. And I agree with the findings of
the staff, the Private Investigators Licensing Board.
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And I also support the motion of Ms. Nixon.
All right. Any other, further discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor of the motion,
state "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. All right.
MR. DETMER: Mike Detmer, for the record.
So the second phase would be going to the --
I'm not sure how it's phrased in the complaint. Is it
findings of law?
MS. BORDELOVE: It's violations of law as was
alleged in the complete, is I've alleged one violation
of law.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. I get confused
between what you attorneys are classifying as fact and
classifying as law. The preponderance of evidence in a
civil case is fact. Okay. But the preponderance of
evidence in criminal cases, that's criminal, because all
citations are. To me, it is probable cause.
MS. BORDELOVE: These are actual civil
citations.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay.
MS. BORDELOVE: But the criminal matter, that's
why I said the D.A., because this Board has the power in
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a civil matter.
The violation of law alleged is referring to
the actual statute, whether you find that the facts as
proven support a finding that he violated the chapter.
And then what you want to do about that would be
separate.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Separate.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: The third one.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Right.
MR. REID: Just to clarify, that second one,
the motion is going to have to say that what's factually
alleged that were said to have happened, you've agreed
that there's enough evidence to say so.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Exactly.
MR. REID: And now the next thing is to say
whether or not there's been a violation of the law based
upon those factual allegations, based on what's been
proven. And so that's when the motion will come in.
And I don't want to put words in your mouth.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: I'm going to try
this one. Okay. I'd like to make a motion that the
facts and evidence presented before the Board in this
hearing have supported the violation of law as stated in
NRS Chapter 648 and Nevada Administrative Code
Chapter 648.
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BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: That's a second.
All right. Any further discussion?
All right. All those in favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. All right.
MS. BORDELOVE: So the third would be whether
you choose to revoke the work card under NRS 648.156.
MR. REID: And conditions, and tell me if I'm
wrong, is that you can revoke it, you can not revoke it,
you can add conditions, you can add other requirements
in place if you were not to revoke it.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Right.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: So if we don't revoke it,
do we have to unsuspend it, though? Because it's
suspended right now. Do we have to add that to the
motion?
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Well, I'm just
going to throw this out for discussion. We could, A,
revoke it. We could, B, unrevoke it with conditions.
MS. BORDELOVE: Unsuspend it. Unsuspend it.
It's not revoked. It's not revoked right now.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We can revoke it.
Or we can unsuspend it with conditions.
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MS. BORDELOVE: Right. With or without
conditions, yes. Yeah.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: With our without
conditions.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And there's no
third option. So we've got two options. All right.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I'll make the motion.
Gronauer. I'll make a motion that we unsuspend the work
card for Mr. Plant, with the conditions that he follows
through with the payment plan and with a follow-up in
one year.
MR. DETMER: And Mike Detmer, for the record.
Inherent within that motion is that his work card would
not be revoked.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Well, it's unsuspended.
MR. DETMER: Right. But I'm just --
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. It's not
revoked. All right.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Okay. Any
further discussion?
For clarification, we're unsuspending the work
card. We're choosing not to revoke the work card.
We're putting a condition that we will have a status
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check within a year of his payment plan of both to us as
well as the Controller's Office.
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: Okay.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: And I want to put
Mr. Plant on notice that if the payments are not
current, I can't speak for the rest of the Board, but I
would be most unhappy. Okay.
All right. I have a motion. I have a second.
Any further discussion?
All right. Call for a vote. All those in
favor, say "aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: Any opposed?
The motion carried. Okay.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: Okay. Merry Christmas.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All right. We
are done. Do we have any other business?
All right. One last thing before we adjourn
for today. I will call for any public comment, either
up north or down south.
All right. No public comment.
All right. I will conclude with a motion.
BOARD MEMBER GRONAUER: I make a motion to
conclude. Let's get out of here.
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second?
BOARD MEMBER NIXON: I second.
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: All in favor,
"aye."
(Board members said "aye.")
ACTING BOARD CHAIRMAN FLYNN: We're done.
Merry Christmas. Happy holidays. Happy Hanukkah.
Happy Kwanzaa.
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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
I, SHANNON L. TAYLOR, a Nevada Certified Court
Reporter, Nevada CCR #322, do hereby certify:
That I was present at the DETR SAO Auditorium,
500 E. Third St., Carson City, Nevada, on Tuesday,
December 10, 2019, at 9:00 a.m., and on Wednesday,
December 11, 2019, at 9:00 a.m., and took stenotype
notes of a two-day meeting of the State of Nevada
Private Investigators Licensing Board;
That I thereafter transcribed the aforementioned
stenotype notes into typewriting as herein appears, and
that the within transcript, consisting of pages 1
through 289, is a full, true, and correct transcription
of said stenotype notes of both days of said meeting;
I further certify that I am not an attorney or
counsel for any of the parties, not a relative or
employee of any attorney or counsel connected with the
actions, nor financially interested in the actions.
DATED: At Carson City, Nevada, this 21st day of
January, 2020.
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SHANNON L. TAYLOR
Nevada CCR #322, RMR