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DaveAsprey: Hey,it'sDaveAspreywithBulletproofRadio.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthateventhoughtestosteroneissomethingyou'dthinkofasmaybeamanlyhormone,andestrogenisthewomanlyhormone,asidefromonesinglecarbonatom,they'realmostidenticalstructurally.Ifyouhavemoreofoneversustheother,youwon'tbeveryidenticalstructurally.
Ifyouhaven'theardaboutFreshBooksyet,listenup,thesefolksareonaseriousmissiontohelpsmallbusinessownerssavetime,andavoidalotofthestressthatcomeswithrunningabusiness.Asasmallbusinessownermyself,Ipayalotofattentiontonotwastingmytime,andnotwastingmystaff'stime,andoneofthethingsthatmakesabigdifferenceispain-freeinvoicingforfreelancers,andsmallbusinessowners.UsingFreshBooksyoucantakeabout30secondstocreateandsendaninvoice,andyoubetpaidonline,becauseFreshBooksgivesyourclientstonsofwaystheycanjustpayyouwithcreditcards,orotherways.Whichcanseriouslyimprovehowquicklyyougetpaid.Infactcustomersgetpaidfivedaysfaster,onaverage.
Youalsogetaninstantnotificationtotellyouwhetheryourclient'slookedattheinvoice,thesecondtheyviewit.Youdon'thaveanymoreexcusesfrompeoplesayingtheyneverreceivedaninvoicethatyouknowtheygot.FreshBooksalsoletsyoukeeptrackofyourexpenses.It'sridiculouslysimple,nomoreboxesfullofreceipts.Formethat'ssomeofmypersonalcryptonite,expensereportingdrivesmenuts.MakingitsimplewithFreshBooksisreallycool.TheFreshBooksmobileappletsyoutakephotosofyourreceipts,andFreshBooksorganizesthemforyoulater.Itcancreateexpensereportsforyou,anditalsomakesclaimingexpensesattaxtimeabreeze.FreshBooksisofferingthreedaysofunrestrictedusetoallBulletprooflisteners,totallyfreerightnow,andyoudon'tneedacreditcardtosignup.Toclaimyour30dayfreetrialgotoFreshBooks.com/Bulletproof,andenterBulletproofRadiointhehowyouheardaboutussection.
Beforewegetintotheshow,ifyouhavenothadachancetotryBulletproofUpgradedCollagen,youneedtogiveitatry.Thereasonforthatisthatcollagenisthebuildingblockforyourbones,foryourskin,it'soneofthemostcommonproteinsinthebody,andit'sthegluethatholdseverythingtogether.It'salsowhatyourhairandskinaremadeoutof,ifyoulikeyourhairandyourskin,orifyoulikeotherpeopletolikeyourhairandskinit'skindofcool.You'renotgettinganycollageninyourdietunlessyoudowhatyourgrandmotherdid,whichisboillotsofthingsandmakebonebroth,likesayyoumighthavereadaboutinBulletprooftheCookBook.
Since,however,mytravelkitdoesnotincludefivepoundsoffemur,andabigsteelpot,andthingslikethat,whatdoIdo?Ireallywantedsomecollagentoday.Oh,bytheway,youdon'tgetthatmuchcollagenfrombonebrothanyway.WhatIdoisItakemyUpgradedCollagenandIputitrightinmyBulletproofcoffee.Idon'tdothateverymorning,butwhatyou'regettingisatonofimportantaminoacidslikeglycine,andlessoftheinflammatoryaminoacidsthatarestillessential,butyoudon'twanttoomanyofthem.Itdoesn'thavea
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flavor,it'sincrediblyneutral,anditdoesn'tgetallstickyandgelatinous,thewaybonebrothgelatindoes,becauseit'sbrokendownintopeptides.
It'scalledUpgradedCollagen,andyoucanpickitupontheBulletproofwebsite,andit'soneoftheeasiestproteinpowderstousebecauseitdisappearsinwhateveryouputitin,itjustgoesaway.Youcanevenputitinbonebroth,andthat'swhatwedoattheBulletproofCoffeeShop,wemakebonebroth,andweupgradeitwithalotmorecollagenthanmothernaturecouldeverprovide.CheckitoutonBulletproof.com,that'supgradedcollagen.
Nowspeakingofcollagen,today'sguestisDrTamiMeraglia,alsoknownasjustDrTami.She'safriend,shespokeattheBulletproofConferencelastyear,andshe'sadoubleboardcertifieddoctorincosmeticandnaturopathicandintegratedmedicine.Alecturer,ateacher,anddefinitelyhascollageninhertissues,soDrTami,welcometotheshow.
TamiMeraglia: Yup,collagenisimportant.
DaveAsprey: It'skindoflikeweallhavecollageninourtissues,sothatwasn'treallythemostamazingthingaboutyou.YoualsoruntheVitalityMedisparandWellnessCenterinSeattle,whichisonlyashortfloat-planerideawayfromme.YouwroteTheHormoneSecret,whichisanationalbestseller,andyouwriteabouthowdoyourestoredepletedtestosterone,balancehormones,andloseweight.WhatIthinkisreallyinteresting,isalotofwhatyoudoisyoutalktowomenabouthowimportanttestosteroneisforthem.EverywomanI'veevermetwho'sontestosteronetherapyjustsaysthesamething.They'relikeohmygod,Igotmylifeback.Likemoresothanprogesterone,it'slike...Onlyafewofthemhadgoateesandhugemuscles,soitwas...
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,andacne.
DaveAsprey: We'lltalkaboutwhythatisn'tgoingtohappen.Yeah,whenyoudoitright,thatdoesn'thappen.I'mreallyexcitedtotalktoyouaboutthat,becausethisisn'tjustaboutwomen,ifyou'reoneofthementhatlistenstoBulletproofRadio,Ibelievethere'safewmorewomenwholisten,thanmen,believeitornot.What'sinterestingis,ifyou'reoneoftheguyslistening,ifthewomaninyourlifegoesontherightamountoftestosteronetherapy,yourqualityoflifewillimprovedramatically.Whenwomenhaveenoughtestosteronethey'relessmoody,andthey'remore...There'satechnicaltermforthis,horny,forlackofabetterword.We'regoingtogointoallthatstuffintheshow,andthat'sjustgoingtobecool,becauseit'soneofthebigthingsthatinfluencesqualityoflife,isdoyouhavethatzestforlife.
Thisispersonalformetoo,DrTami,andthisismoreforlisteners,becauseyoualreadyknowthis.WhenIwasinmymid-20sIknewthatstuffwasjacked,likethingsweren'tworkinginmybodyverywell.Ihadallthisdotcommoneyforabriefperiodoftime,andIgotallsortsoflabtestsdone,beforedoinglabtestswaskindofcool.ThekindofweirdthingwasthatmymomhadmoretestosteronethanIdid.LikeImeanalmostnotestosterone.
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TamiMeraglia: At20something,ay,ay,ay.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,andsoIwentontestosteronetherapyforeightyears,andIendedupgoingoffofit,because,withalltheBulletproofstuffthatIdo,Irestoredmynaturalproductionoftestosterone.Whichwaskindofabigthing,butIrememberthefirsttimeIputonsometestosteronetogetmylevelsupatleasttowheremymotherwas,andman,itwaslikeyougetthat...
TamiMeraglia: Daytodream.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,yougetthatI'mback,I'vegotmyenergyback,yourmojo,forlackofabetterword.That'swhatthewomenwhoItalktonow,whogettestosteronetherapy.They'relikeoh,likethatlittlesparkcomesback.Idon'tmeanjustsparkinthebedroom,Imeanlikethesparklikeeveryday.IexperiencedthatjustbecauseIhadthoseveryweirdhormonelevels.That'swhyIwantedtotalkwithyou,andthat'swhyIthinkpeoplearegoingtolovewhatwe'regoingtotalkabouthere.Givemethedown-lowontestosterone.What'sthedealwiththisstuff?Whyisitout?Whydowomenneedtocareaboutit,otherthanthatsparkoflife,whichiskindofmushy?Givemethescience.
TamiMeraglia: Well,firstofall,I'msohappytobehere,becauseit'sjustnottalkedabout.I'manMD,Iwenttoschoolforanobsceneamountoftime,andwenttoseemypatient,youknow,mywholesixminutesinmyclinic.People,especiallywomen,wouldcomeinandthey'dsayI'mtired,andIhaveanextrafive,ten,fifteen,twenty-fivepounds,itwon'tbudge.Thetricksinmytwentiesaren'tworkinganymore.They'restartingtogetostepenia,osteoporosis,myskinissagging,mybrain-fog,onandonandon.I'druntheusualtests,andI'dtellthemyou'refine.That'swhenIrealizedthatfineisafour-letterword.Nobodywakesupinthemorningandsaysgosh,Iwanttobefinetoday.Wewanttobefabulous.
Ihaveapersonalstoryaswellthatgotmetolookattestosteroneformyself.We'reourownbestpatients,sortof,intheexperimentalrealm.IwasinresidencyandIhadanewbornbaby,andIwaspregnant,andIwaslyingonmycredentialcardssayingwewereonlyworking80hoursaweek,becausethatwasthelaw.Iwasexhausted,Iwouldliterally,betweenpatients,lieonthefloor,becauseIwassotired.Youknow,IdidwhatIhearfromalotofpatients,Igavemyselftheyeahbuts.Oh,I'mexhausted,yeahbutyou'reinresidency.Yeah,butyou'repregnant.Yeah,butyouhaveatoddler.Igavemyselftheyeah,buts.Ijustthoughtyouknowreally,isthatreallytobeexpected?Isthiswhatlifeisabout,thisdecline?
Istarteddiggingin,andthat'swhenIdecided,youknowwhat,thisisn'tworking,Ihavetodoawholefellowshipinnaturopathicmedicine.AtfirstIreplacedmyownprogesterone.Isleptbetter,andIfeltmorepeaceful,butmyenergy,mymuscletofatratio,abunchofthingsthat,likeyouweresaying,thatspark,reallydidn'tcomeback.That'swhenItrippedupontestosterone.Womendon'tneedalot,butithasanout-sizedroleinhowwelook,feel,andfunction.Youknow,alotofpeople,especiallythemen,aresuper-excitedaboutthelibido,butwhenawomanisexhausted,theydon'tcare.Theydon'tcareaboutlibido.It'sbecausethey'resotired,andenergyistheprimarythingthathappenstowomenwhen
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theyrestoretheirtestosteronelevels.Whetheritisbio-hackingtheadrenals,sothattheadrenalscanproduceit,becauseaftertheageof45,that'stheprimaryfactoryformostofyourhormones,whetheryou'reamanorawoman.
DaveAsprey: Saythatagain,almostnooneunderstandsthattheadrenalsmakesexhormones,notjuststresshormones.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,andhere'sthecrazypart,they'rethesizeofwalnuts,andifyouhaveastress-filledlife,andthisiswhereIreallywantpeopletopayattention,itdoesn'tmatterifyou'rehappy.Stressdoesnotequalahorriblelife.Havinganexcitinglife,travelling,doingthethingsthatyoulove,stayingupuntil11or12o'clockatnightbecauseyou'reexcitedaboutaproject,that'sjuststress.Youradrenalsreallydon'tknowthedifferencebetweenafuneral,andawedding.Theyarethesetinylittleglands,andtheycandealwithwhatstressesyou,orwhatblessesyou.They'renotbigenough,andtheydon'thaveenoughrawingredientstodoboth.Untilwehealouradrenals,andlikeyousay,bio-hackthem,sothattheirfunctioncangoup,sothatyoucanactuallyhavethosehormonesbeingproducedthere.Theovariesandthetestes,they'regone,they'reinretirement.Theirfunctionispassed.
DaveAsprey: Here'sanuncomfortablequestion,Idon'tlikeitwhenpeopletellmeyouhavesomeamountofcapacity.I'mlikescrewthat,I'mabio-hacker,andmywholejobistobreakrules.Therecan'tbethatmanysexhormonesthatmyadrenalsmake.Couldn'tIjusttakeafistfulloftestosterone,andalltheotherhormones,severaltimesadayonacircadianbasis?Basicallygivemyselfmega,super,uberupgradedadrenalfunction,soIcouldhandlemassesofstressallthetime?That'sactuallykindofaseriousquestion.LikecanImakeabig,mechanicaladrenalglandIstraptomybackthatinjectsmewithalltherightstuff,soIcandoanythingIwantallthetime,andneversleep?
TamiMeraglia: No,becauseallofthatstuffhasinflammation,andyoucannot,atsomepoint...Ithinkwecanfunctionmuchhigherthanweeverthought,butIthinkthattherearesomesortoflawsthatarebuiltintoourDNA.Sleepisoneofthem,unpluggingisanotheroneofthem.Youdohavetohavethisonandoff,thisyinandyang,thisblackandwhite.Lifeisallaboutthisbalance.
DaveAsprey: Ofcourse.
TamiMeraglia: SorryDave,youcannotbea24/7supermanandjustdrinkyourBulletproofcoffeedayandnightandmakeitthrough.Therewillbeapointwhereyouradrenalsarelike,youknow,youthinkyou'rereplacingthesehormones,butthey'renotexactlythesameaswhatIproduce,sothere'sasideeffect.
DaveAsprey: They'renotexactlythesame,Iwouldsaynotyet.We'regettingbetterandbetteratquantifyingwhat'sgoingon,andthere'sabunchofquantumeffectsthatwereallydon'tunderstandhowhormoneswork,forthemostpart.Wekindofneedtofigurethatout.Likewecanseewhattheirlevelsare,andwhatthebodydoes,buthowthehormonemakesthathappen,there'sstillalotofdecodingofrawbio-sciencethathasn'tbeendone.Idon't
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thinkwe'rethatclosetothat,butIdoknowthatwhenyoureplacesomeofthehormones,thattheadrenalsarenotmakingenoughof,thatyoucandothat,andyoucangettolevelsofperformance.Performancedoesn'tmeanlikeIkickassandIworkallthetime,itmeansactuallyjustthatIkickass.Ikickassatbeinghappy,Ikickassatmakingcoffee,IkickassatwhateverI'mdoing.Ihaveenergy,Ifeelgood.
TamiMeraglia: Creativity,cooking,yeah.
DaveAsprey: Idon'twalktothefridgeandforgetwhyIopenedthedoor,allthatstuffgoesaway.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,itdoes.
DaveAsprey: That'swhyI'mahugefanofreplacinganythingthattheadrenalsmake,ifthey'renotmakingenoughofit,aslongasyoudon'tgetyourcortisollevelssohighthatyou'reastressedoutmonkey.Let'stalkaboutthelistofadrenalhormones,thesexhormonesandtheadrenalhormones.Justkindofgivemethebigones.Ithinkpeoplelisteningwillbetotallyshockedtohearthewholelist.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,there'saton,andIthinkthattestosteroneismyfavorite.It'snotthebiggestone,butithasthebiggestimpactinmenandwomen,Ithink.Progesterone,that'swomenwhoarewakingupbetweentwoandfourinmorning,wideawake,asiftheywereneverasleep,andtheirregulardoctorhasgiventhemanantidepressant,orasleepingpill,orboth.No,no,no,it'syourprogesterone,youjustneedthattostayasleep.
DaveAsprey: Whataboutforguys?
TamiMeraglia: Menhaveprogesteroneaswell,andit'sreallyinterestingthatyourtestosteroneinaman,there'sanenzymethattakesyourtestosterone,anditmakesitintoanotherformoftestosteronecalledDHT,dihydrotestosterone,orevenestrogen.
DaveAsprey: Thebaldnesshormone.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,themalepatternbalding.Nowthosearetwodifferentenzymaticreactions,anditlowersyourtestosteronelevel,becauseit'skindofgoingoverhereinstead.Youcanactuallyuseprogesteronetoblockthatenzymaticreactionfromoccurring.Youcanactuallynaturallyraiseyourownleveloftestosteronebytakingatinybitofprogesterone.Progesteronehelpsyourbones,helpsyourbrain,it'sactuallynotabadthing.Ihavemenonprogesterone.
DaveAsprey: Ididnotknowprogesteronewasanaromataseinhibitor.
TamiMeraglia: Thearomataseandthe5-alphareductase,itactuallyhasaneffectonboth,toalesserorgreaterdegree.
DaveAsprey: Allthemeninmyfamily,atleastfrommydad'sside,weover-aromatise...Aromatase,aromatise?Wehaveexcessive...
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TamiMeraglia: Aromatise.Youhavealotofaromataseenzymeactivity.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,Ihavealotofaromatasosity.Anyway...
TamiMeraglia: Youshouldhavepickedyourparentsbetter.
DaveAsprey: Whatthatmeans,forpeoplelistening,itmeansthatwhenIgettestosteroneinmybody,it
goestoestrogenviaalmosteverypathwaypossible.ItakeDHEA,Igetestrogen.ItakePregnenolone,Igetestrogen.Whatdoyougetwhenyouhaveestrogen?Yougetboobs.
TamiMeraglia: Moobs.
DaveAsprey: Alltheguysinmyfamilyhavemoobs.
TamiMeraglia: Man-boobs.
DaveAsprey: I'mlikethissucks,Ikeepitundercontrol,butwhenIwasontestosteroneIusedArimidex,becauseoneofmyproblemswasmostofmytestosteronewasgoingtoestrogensoquickly.Imanagedtoblockthat,butArimidexisapharmaceuticalwayofdoingit.I'dnotheardaboutPregnenolone.Peopleweregoing...
TamiMeraglia: Progesterone.
DaveAsprey: Sorry,thankyou,progesterone,notPregnenolone.Ifyou'relisteningtothis,andyou'relikewhatthehellareallthesepreg-whatevers?Here'sthedeal,thesearethebasichormones,there'salotofformsofallthesethings.Ifyou're30orunder,gooutandgetalabtestandseewhatyourlevelsare.Whenyou're80,orlike180,likeIplantobe,you'regoingtowanttohavethesamehormonelevelsthatyouhadwhenyouwere30.
TamiMeraglia: Absolutely.
DaveAsprey: Ifyouwaituntilyou're35,youdon'thavethedataanymore,right?
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,25ismyrecommendation.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,Iactuallylikethat.
TamiMeraglia: Between25and30,becauseyouknow,wewanteveryonetofeel29.
DaveAsprey: It'ssoimportant,andIdiddoitwhenIwaslike26,27,theproblemwasmyhormoneswerealreadyjacked,IhadstretchmarksandIweighed300pounds.Ihad...
TamiMeraglia: Fatactuallyhasenzymeactivity,sofattakesyourtestosteroneandmakesitestrogen,andthenestrogenmakesmorefat,it'sjustlikeah!
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DaveAsprey: Ihadsomenicecurves,unfortunatelyIhadthreeorfourofthemaroundthemiddlethatdidn'tbelongthere,butyouknow.
TamiMeraglia: CanImakeacommentaboutArimidex,becausewhatIwantpeopletoknowisthatifyougettherightinformationforyou,there'ssomuchthatyoucando.You'reright,Arimidexisawesome,butI'mthatfreakydoctorthatreadseverysinglearticle,everywhitepaper.Ireadthearticlesthatarereferencesinthearticle.I'mlikeyou,likeaclosetnerd.Arimidexdoesnotincreaseyourriskforprostatecancer,butstudieshaveshown,itwasastudybytheSocietyofUrology,thatifyoudogetprostatecancer,andyou'retakingArimidex,itisislikelytobeamoreaggressiveform.It'slastonmylist,there'schrysin,whichisaChineseherb,thereis...
DaveAsprey: Doesthatworkforyou?
TamiMeraglia: Whenyouputawholebunchofdifferentthings,soyouknow,Iputthechrysininwiththetestosteronecream,itcan'thurt.
DaveAsprey: Iusedtouseahugestack,thiswasinmylate20s,Iwaskindofworriedaboutthis...Ihavekids,I'm43,right?Likeokay,mytestosteroneisaboutmyvitality,butit'snotsomuchaboutmymanlinessatthispoint,I'mmanlyenough,right?Atthattime,Iwaslikeeverything.IhadTribulus,Arginine,chrysin,IcouldTribulusalittlebit,butforthemostpart,Inevercouldgetanyactivityfromchrysin,butthatcouldbeveryindividualized.
TamiMeraglia: That'swhyyoutest,yeah,that'swhyyoutest.
DaveAsprey: Okay,great.
TamiMeraglia: You'relike,let'strythisnon-pharmaceuticalthingthathasverylittletonoside-effects.Ohbummer,itdidn'twork,andthenyoukeepgoinguptheladder.That'swhyyoujusthavetohavesomebodywhotests.Thenyouwanttohavesomebodywho'sgoingtotestyoururine,becausemenandwomenturntheirtestosteroneintoestrogenalittlebit,andthenyourestrogenbecomesalltheseotherforms.216Hydroxyestroneratiotellsyouaboutyourcancerriskforbreastcancer,andprostatecancer,soitgetsreallycomplicated.Youwantsomebodytoguideyouthroughit.That'swhyIlove,andinmybookTheHormoneSecret,Ididn'twanttosayohno,everybodygofindadoctor,andtakehormones.Eventhoughtakingthepressureoffofyouradrenalsbytakinghormonesisagreatidea,sothatyoucanhealthembetter,andmoreeasily.Thebookisallaboutanon-pharmaceuticalwayto...Whatyoueat,whenyoueat,howtosupplement,tospecificallyboostyourownbody'sproduction.That'skindofwhatyou'reallabout.
DaveAsprey: Ohyeah.
TamiMeraglia: Youcangetyourbodyatamuchhigherlevelifyoujustgiveitwhatitneeds,andgetoutoftheway.
DaveAsprey: Youcangiveitalltherightbuildingblocks,andyoucanremovethethingsthatare
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inhibitingyou.It'sreallyterriblecomplex.IdidaninterviewrecentlywithDrDanHuberwherewetalkedabouttheendocrinedisruptingeffectsofglyphosate.Halfapartperbillionstartstomesswithyourestrogenreceptors.You'relikedamn,Igavemyselfallthebuildingblocks,Ididallthestuffright,andthenthisenvironmentalpollutantjackedupmyhormones,andofcourseyou'renotgoingtosmellortastethatitwasthere...
TamiMeraglia: Orevenknow.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,becauseyouatesomekindofgrainthatwasdesiccatedwithit,orbecauseit'sinyourwater,becausetheyallowittobedumpedintotherivertogetridofalgae.You'relike,really?Howdoyouproposethat...I'mgoingtoasktwodifferentscenarios,oneishowdoyouproposesomeoneintheirmid-40s,whoprobablyhassomerepairtodoontheirhormonesystems,butprobablyhassomeassetsinordertopayforit.Howdoyouproposetheygoaboutit,versussomeonewho'sintheirmid-20s?Whoprobablycan'taffordthedamnhormonepanels,muchlessabunchofhundreddollarsworthofwhatevertestosterone,otherkindsofcreams,injections,andalltheotherthings.
Firstoff,tellmewhatthepersonwho'swillingandabletospendsomemoneyonthis,who'sreallygotsomestufftodo,doesn'twanttospendalot,butisreallyabletocomeupwithacoupleofhundreddollarstochangethequalityoftheirlife.Versussomeonewho'slikegoodgod,I'mgoingtohavetoworktenmoreshiftsatStarbucksbeforeIcouldeventhinkaboutthis.Givemethe,I'mgoingtodothisnow,versusI'mgoingtosaveuptodothismodel.
TamiMeraglia: Right,wellofcourseI'mbiased.Ihadthisprobleminmyclinic,andIhavehadaclinicforovertenyears,andsowhatIdidisIcreatedavirtualmedicalclinicwherewejustprovideyouacustomizedpanel,andprogramjustforyou.Wemadeamembershipmodel,soit's$99amonth,andyougetfourone-hourappointments,one-on-onewithananti-agingdoubleboardcertifiedMD,who'sgoingtocreateexactlywhatyouneed.Whetherthat'saprescription...
DaveAsprey: Whataboutthelabsthough?Aren'tthelabsreallyexpensive?
TamiMeraglia: It'sreallycool,asanMDI'mlicensedallovertheUnitedStates,soIcanactuallyorderlabsanywhere,andyourinsurancewillpayforit,becauseIknowallthesneakyCPTcodes.Thenthere'salsobloodspottests,whichissuper-cool.Thatwecanactuallymailyouakit,youcanprickyourfinger,andIcangetreallyaccuratevaluablehormonelevelinformation,justfromthatlittlebloodspotkit.
DaveAsprey: Whomakesthatkit?
TamiMeraglia: There'sTheranos,there'stheonesthatwehavethat'sbeenaroundthelongestisZRT,andIfindthatthey'rethemostaffordable,they'vebeendoingitforsolong.TheyworkwithA4sotheyhavesuchagreataccuracy.That'smypoint,isthatthere'salotofcoaches,andalotofhealthprofessionals,quote/unquote,whosayohyeah,here'salab.Werecentlyransomelabsonmyhusband,andwedidfivelabs,thepoorguy.He'sItalian,hehatesneedles,
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butwejustkeptsuckingoutblood.Heneededtodoitanyway,becausehe'soneofthefewmenthat,whentheytaketestosteronetheirbloodgetsthick,soheneededlikeabloodlettinganyway.Wesentittofivelabs,andyouwouldnotbelievethedifferentresults,fromthesamesample.It'sreallyscaryoutthere,Ithink.
DaveAsprey: Oneoftheotheranti-agingguysthatI'veknownformany,manyyears,who'sanadvisortothenon-profitSiliconeValleyHealthInstituteGroupthatIrun,DrMiller,heinsistsoneachlab...Heholdsthelabsaccountableforqualitystandards,andranintoexactlythesameproblemthatyou'veruninto,wherehedoesn'ttrustlabdata,becauseit'ssohighlyvariable.Thisisanun-talkedaboutproblem,exceptforTheranoswhogotinalotoftroublebecauseapparentlytherewassomestuffgoingon,likealotgoingon.
TamiMeraglia: Itseemslike,forme,I'mreallylucky,becausetestosteroneseemstobethehardestlabtogetright.I'malwaystestingit,andsoI'mseeingthevariety,andgoinghuh,waitaminute.Howcanthisbethatfaroff?Wejustdidthisthreemonthsago,it'sanewlab,you'reonthesamedose,thisisweird.
DaveAsprey: Whatyou'redoingnowiswhethersomeone's25,orsomeone's45,or65,whatever,it'sabout$1200ayear.Whichgetsthemameetingeverythreemonths,whichisactuallyquitealot,Iwouldrecommendpeopledothat,it'skindoflikeyou'resupposedtogetyourteethcleanedeverysixmonths,butnoonereallydoesthat.
TamiMeraglia: It'slessthanalatteaday.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,totally.
TamiMeraglia: ThatwasmyStarbucksinSeattlething.Likethisismybenchmark.
DaveAsprey: It'sactuallyaveryreasonablethingtodo,onceyou'vepaidyourrent,andyou'vegotqualityfoodonyourtable,andyou'rebasicnecessitiesaretakencareof.It'ssomeofthecheapestthingsyoucando,becauseitisverylikelytopreventamuchlargerlifealteringexperiencelater.Yougetyourstuff...
TamiMeraglia: Whichiswaymoreexpensive.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,it'shalfamilliondollarsforaheartattackthesedays.ThenumberonecauseofbankruptciesintheUSisamedicalcrisis,andthehospitaljustbleedsyoudry.Idon'tmeaninthehospital,theyjustmakeyousickinthehospital,butatleastyoudidn'tdie.Thentheybleedyoudryfinancially,andthenyoudieofstarvationorsomething.
TamiMeraglia: Ortheinfectionthatyouleftwith.
DaveAsprey: Right,it'skindofasicksysteminmultipleways.Ibelieveverystronglythatthat'sagoodthingtodo.Forthepeoplewhomaybearen'treadytogothatlevel,butjustwanttogettheirlabsonceayear,becausethey'llgetthere,butthey'rebuildingcareers,they'rebuildingsavings.Maybetheyaren'tmakingrenteverymonth,buttheystillwanttoget
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theirdata,wheretheycangettheirdata.Whatdoesitcosttodoabasichormonepanel?
TamiMeraglia: Withnoinsuranceinvolved?
DaveAsprey: Yeah.
TamiMeraglia: Lessthan$300.
DaveAsprey: Thereyougo,sothatis...
TamiMeraglia: Thenjustgetmybook,oryourbook,orthere'ssomanyguidesoutthere,oflikeokaynowIknowmyresults,Ineedtofindabookontestosterone.Ineedtofindabookonestrogen.Thenthere'ssomehelp.
DaveAsprey: Readseveral,there'sprobablysomecrazybookouttherethat'lltellyoujuicinggreenstuffraisesyourtestosterone.Bytheway,don'tbelievethat.Ifyoudon'tbelievemewhenIsaydon'tbelievethat,lookattheauthorwhodrinksallthegreenjuice.Itdoesn'tmatterwhichauthor,I'mnotpickingonanyoneoutthere,butIdon'tknowanyonewhohasvibranttestosteronelevels,whosubsistsonraw,greenvegetables.Iknow,Iwasarawveganforawhile,it'sjustnotawaytoraisetestosterone.Sorry,Iwishitwas,butit'snot.
TamiMeraglia: It'snot.Sorry,beingatestosteronedoctor,itjustisn't.Yourtestosteroneismadeupofcertainthings,andifyourbodydoesn'thavethoserawingredients,it'snotgoingtobeabletomakeit.Itjustisprettycommonsense.
DaveAsprey: DrTami,didn'tyouknowceleryisshapedlikeaphallus,thereforeitraisestestosterone?Ihadsomeonetellmethatonce,I'mnotjoking.IpolitelytoldthemIlikesalad,andthatwasagoodconversation.Likewhatdoyousaytothat?
TamiMeraglia: Yes,noIknow,Iknow.That's,Ithink,partoftheproblemisthatpeoplecangetoverwhelmed.Ihearalotofpeople,there'ssomuchinformationoutthere,Idon'tknowwheretodo,Idon'tknowwhattodo.Someofitseemstocontradict.Youjusthavetofindcrediblesources,andthenlistentoyourintuition.Likemostofuswouldjustgoiscelerygoingtoraiseyourtestosterone?Let'slookatthenutrientcontentofcelery,what'sthere?Hmm,fiber,water...
DaveAsprey: It'scoolthatyou'vestudiednaturopathyaswellaswesternmedicine,becauseit'sthatcombinationwhereifyouweretoaskatypical,whitelabcoatdoctor,it'slikefooddoesn'tmatter.Okay,that'sstupid.Thenyouasksomeonewho'smaybegonewayoffontheendofalternativenutrition,youcanget...Thisisasuper-food,thereforeitraisestestosterone.Whyisthatasuper-food?Atwhatpointdidwhateverthisberryis...Idon'tknow,Ithinkthatthere'sagaponbothends.Somewhereinthemiddlewhereyouconsider,andvalueandusethewesternandsomeofthemorenaturalapproaches,that'skindofwhere,thatoverlappingareainthemiddle,iswherethemostbenefithappens.Ifyouonlygoonewayortheother,you'reprobablymissingout.
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TamiMeraglia: Youknow,lotsofmypatientscometomeonmedications.They'vegothighbloodpressure,highcholesterol,they'reoverweight.Theycometomeonmedication,sofirstofall,thosemedicationscreateproblems.TheycreateB12deficiencies,theycreateallkindsofsideeffectsthatnobodywhoisprescribingthemislookingat.Thensecondarily,nobody'sactuallylookingattakingthemoff.What'sourplan?Sure,Iwantyouonyourbloodpressuremedication,becausestrokesareawful,butthegoalistogetyouoffthis.Here'sourtenstepplanthat'sgoingtotakeussixtotwelvemonthstodoit,andwe'regoingtomeeteveryquarter,andyouhaveunlimitedemailaccesstome,sothatwegetyouoffthisstuff.MyproblemwithpharmaceuticalcompaniesrightnowisIdon'tthinkthatthey'recreatingcures,Ithinkthey'recreatingcustomers.They'remosthappywhenyou'rejustlikealifer.
DaveAsprey: It'sreallyinterestinghowmany...Especiallywhenyougetintoyour60sand70s,you'reon20medications,becausethisonecancelsouttheside-effectsfromthatone,whichcausesthisside-effect.It'sactuallyareallyintriguingbusinessmodel.
TamiMeraglia: Asagreatbusinessmanyou'reprobablylike,that'sbrilliant,wishIhadthoughtofit.
DaveAsprey: That'swhythere'snoethicprogramwhereIwenttoschool.No,justkidding,theydidteachusethicsforatleast20minutes.
TamiMeraglia: Howtoavoidit.
DaveAsprey: Thewholepointis,ifyourejectwesternmedicine,youactuallyrejecthormonereplacement,becausewedidn'tknowhowtomakethosehormoneswithoutwesternmedicine.Usingthoseintelligently,versuswhackingyourselfovertheheadwithamega-doseeveryFriday...There'scircadianrhythmsthatwecanvalue,thatcomelessfromthewest,andmorefromtheeast.Let'stalkalittlebitmoreaboutstagesoflife.Ifyouembracebothapproachesatonetime,likeyoudo,ifyou'reawoman,atwhatpointinlifedoyoustartreallyworryingabouttestosterone?
TamiMeraglia: UnfortunatelyDaveitishappeningatamuchyounger,andmuchmoresignificantrateandagethanwe'veeverseenatanyothertime.Theresearchwasthatpeoplewho...Womenwerenothavinglowtestosteronelevelsthatwereaffectingtheirlifeuntiltheirlate50sand60s,andbeyond.Wenowareseeingitnotuncommonlyinthe30s.Thenbythetimewomenaregettingtotheirlate40sand50s,it'snotlowtestosterone,it'sundetectablefreetestosterone.It'sinsane,youcan'tfinditatall,there'snolabthatcanfindanyfreetestosterone.Whichmeansyoudon'thaveanyofthatstuffthathelpsyou.Didyouknowthattestosteroneprescriptionwasatonetimemanyyearsago,thenumberonetreatmentfordepressions?Wehavetestosteronereceptorsinourbrain.
DaveAsprey: Wow,Ididn'tactuallyrealizethat,butIcanseewhy.Justhavingfeltthedifferenceinmyqualityoflifefromhavingverylowtestosterone,tobringingitbackuptonormallevels,Idon'tknowthatIhavereallygoodwordsforit,butit'slikeeverythingiseasierwhenyouhaveenoughtestosterone.Idon'tmeanenoughtogetjackedand...
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TamiMeraglia: Pumpedup.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,it'sactuallytotallydifferent,it'sadifferentuniverseifyou'reusingthetypesorlevelsoftestosteronethatwoulddothat.Justtogobacktonormal,likeokay,thisishowI'msupposedtofeeleveryday,Ijusthaven'tfeltthatwayinalongtime.You'reseeingthatintheir30sforwomenandmen.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Whatdoesthatdotofertilityforboth?
TamiMeraglia: Trashesit,trashed.There'sactuallyabignewstudythatshowsthattakingtestosteroneforwomenduringafertilitycourseincreasesthechancesofalivebirth.Weusedtothinkno,wedon'twanttotaketestosteroneduringthetimewhenyou'retryingtogetpregnant,weusedtotakepeopleoffoftheirtestosterone,menandwomen.Nowwe'refindingoutthatitactuallyisreallyhelpful.
DaveAsprey: Theproblemwe'rerunningintoisthatwecompletelyjackeduptheenvironmentaroundus,andlong-timelistenersknow,bio-hackingistheartofchangingtheenvironmentaroundyou,andinsideyou,sothatyouhavecontrolofyourbiology.Wellweunintelligently,andwithoutawareness,changedtheenvironmentaroundusquitealot.It'sfullofendocrinedisruptors,we'renowusingthesetoxiclights,basicallyjunklighting,likecompactfluorescentbulbs,thatalsomesswithyourhormonelevelsandyoursleep.Wedoeverythingwecantoourenvironmentthatreducesfertility,includingsprayingglyphosate,andabunchofotherplasticizers.Thenwewalkaroundgoinggee,Iwonderwhywe'reinfertileandwefeellikecrapallthetime?
Welltheproblemisit'sareallybigsystem,andyou'renotgoingtofixjustonethingandfeelbetter.Youhavetofixmorethanonevariableatatime,becauseyoubrokemorethanonevariableatatime.Untilallthatstuffisrestored,andwe'reallwalkingaroundwearingtogas,barefootinnature,andmaybewe'llgetthere,right?We'llhavemagiccarpets,I'mdownwiththatfuture.Untilthen,youmightwanttojustgrabyourtestosterone,allyourotherhormones,bythehornsandsayyouknowwhat,you'renotdoingwhatIwantyoutodorightnow.You'renotdoingwhatmybodyevolvedforyoutodo,soI'lljustdoitforyou.Right?
TamiMeraglia: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Thisistheonlyoptionyouhaverightnow,ifyouwanttofeelthewayyou'recapableoffeeling.Itrulydon'tbelievethat99.9percentofpeoplelisteningrightnow,eveniftheygototheextremelengthslikeIhave.Iliveinafrickenorganicfarmonanisland,I'mlookingoutatabaldeagleoutthatwindowrightnow.IgrowallmyownfoodwhenI'mnotonairplanesandstufflikethat.IstilluseeverytoolIcantobeatthelevelwhereI'mat.Thisisjustthestateofhighperformancelivingthatwe'reinrightnow,andwedidthistoourselves.
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TamiMeraglia: WellItotallyagree.Ifeellikesincethere'ssomuchoutofourcontrol,youmustferventlyseizetheopportunitytooptimizethethingsthatareinyourcontrol.Hormonesareoneofthem.WhenIworkwithpatientsI'mnotgoingtobringyou...Ihavewomenwhocomeinandsaywell,IheardSuzanneSummersisinher70sandshestillhasaperiod.Youknow,we'regoingtooptimizeyoutothebestyou.
DaveAsprey: Wait,she'snotinher70s,isshe?No.
TamiMeraglia: Late60s,Idon'tknowhowoldsheis,butshe'sold.
DaveAsprey: ShewasonBulletproofRadio,mygod,shewassoknowledgeable,Iwasblownaway.Itwascool.
TamiMeraglia: Shehasbecomeaspongeforall...Shewalksthetalktoo,she'shadalotofhealthconcerns,andshe'saddressedthem.
DaveAsprey: Shelooksreallygoodthough,like...
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,she'sjustamazing.
DaveAsprey: Idon'tmeanjustbeautifulgood,Imeanlikeshelookshealthy,andshe'sbeenthere.CathySmithalso,shefooledmeonBulletproofRadio,anotherreallyfamousfitnessmodel.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,she'sagoodfriend.
DaveAsprey: She'sagoodfriend?Sheconvincedmethatshewasstillovulating.I'mlikewhat?Thatcan'tbe?She'slike,justkidding.She'sinher60saswell.Itisentirelypossibletojusthavetheselevelsofvitality,andtolookyoung.Screwlookingyoung,ifyou'reinyour60s,youprobablywanttolookyoung,butseriously,youwanttofeelyoungalotmorethanyouwanttolookyoung,right?
TamiMeraglia: Whenyoufeelgoodyoudolookbetter.
DaveAsprey: Indeed.
TamiMeraglia: Youjusthavetohaveaterriblenight'ssleep,andthenlookinthemirrortoknowthat'strue.Whenpeoplelookatme,Ijustwantthemtosay,ohyoulookyoungforyourage.No,whatIwantthemtolookatis,ohwow,shelooksvibrant.Shelookshealthy.Lookatherskin.NotdoIhavewrinkles,andisitsagging,butisitglowing?That'sbecauseithassufficientamountsofcollagen,it'sgotgreatbloodsupply,it'sfullyopenwithenoughnitrousoxide,andmycirculationisworkingoptimally,andtheinflammationislow.There'sawaytogofromtheinsideoutwithregardtobeauty.
DaveAsprey: Speakingofgoingfromtheinsideout,whataboutbirthcontrol?
TamiMeraglia: Ah.
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DaveAsprey: Let'stalkaboutwhatoralcontraceptivesdotoyourhormones.I'vebeenopposedtothese
for15plusyears.Wiley,TSWiley,who'sthefirstbigauthortowriteabouttheeffectoflightingonourhealth,goingbacktotheearly'90s,Imetherawhileback,maybe2001.Shealsowroteabigbookaboutoralcontraceptives,I'mlikethisisprettyhorrifying.Idon'twantanyonethatIknowtousethesethings.That'sbeenmypositionforalongtime,butthere'sevenmorenewsciencethat'scomeout,andIknowyoucoversomeofthatinyourbook.Justkindofgivepeoplelisteningthedownlowonwhatdooralcontraceptivesactuallydo?
TamiMeraglia: Let'sjuststartoffwithbasicsciencethatthesepharmaceuticalcompanieshavedecidedtocompletelyturntheirbackon.That'sthefactthat...Well,twobasicscienceprinciples.Oneisthatwomenarenothorses,right?Theestrogenintheoralcontraceptivepillisanestrogenfromtheurineofapregnanthorse.Ifyoulookatitstructurally,itdoesnotlookthesame.Shockingly,ornot,yourbodyknowsyou'renotahorse.There'sthisresponsetoaforeigntypeofthingthatyourbodygoeswhattheheck?Thesecondhugethingisthatestrogenwasneversomethingthatwentthroughyourliver,throughyourvet,throughtheP450system.
Oralestrogen,evenifit'sbio-identical,isaterribleidea.Yourliverlooksatthisandgoeswhattheheckisthis?I'veneverseenthisbefore,itmustbeevil,oh,Iknowwhattodo,I'llputabunchofclottingfactorsaroundthistoprotectit,andthenI'llshoveitontosomebodyelseandseeiftheyknowwhattodo.Yourriskofclotsgoeswayup.Ifyoureadthepacketinsert,ittellsyou,ifyousmoke,don'tdothis.Why?You'regoingtogetaclot.Ifyou'reovertheageof40,youshouldconsidernotdoingthis.Why?Becauseofaclot.50percentofpeoplewhogetapulmonaryembolism,whichisalungclot,dieinstantaneously.Theydon'tevenmakeittothehospital.Forthosetworeasons,howawfulisthat?Justdisregardscience,andhavethisoralcontraceptivepillgoinyourmouthwithaforeignsubstance.
Ihaveabigproblemwhenmyfemalepatientscomehere,andthey'retakingoralcontraceptivepillstohelpwithhotflushes,andvaginaldryness,anddiscomfortwithsex,andmoodiness.I'mlike,there'sanaturalalternative,whatareyoudoing?
DaveAsprey: Whatisthealternative,insteadoforalestrogen?
TamiMeraglia: Topicalisavailable,weknowthatit'sverywellabsorbed.Ifyouhadaheartattack,andyouwenttotheemergencydepartment,wewouldputatopicalmedicationonfirst,calledNitropaste.ItcanstartactingbeforewecanevengetanIVaccessintoyou.Topicalisagreatwaytoabsorb,andifyouapplyitvaginally,mucousmembranesareevenbetteratabsorbing.Topicalisanamazingwaywecanmeasureitinthebloodthatitactuallygetsinanddoesthejob.Therearepatches.Idon'tlikepellets,becauseforestrogenourbodyhadariseandfallofestrogenlevels,andthepelletisjustthebigblasteverysinglesolitaryday,untilyoutakeitout.Thenyoudoitagain.Idon'tthinkthatit'smimickingmothernatureaswellasyoucouldbedoing.Nowfortestosterone,formen,whereyoudidhaveadailydose,that'sadifferentstory.
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DaveAsprey: You'reokaywithtestosteronepellets,butnotestrogenpellets?
TamiMeraglia: Right,getbacktomothernature,andlookatwhatthephysiologyis,orshouldbe.
DaveAsprey: Havingusedtestosteronecreamforeightyears,thereareissueswithhormonecreams.
Oneofthemisthatifyourubthehormonecreamonyourpartner,theywillgethit.
TamiMeraglia: Oryourpet.
DaveAsprey: Yougotobed,yousortofsmearitwhereveryou'regoingtosmearit.Thenyou'relikehey,sexytime,andthenyou'relikeoh,sorryaboutthat.
DaveAsprey: Right.Formenthemostabsorb-ablespotisbasicallythescrotum.
TamiMeraglia: Ortheanalring.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,butgreasyballs,seriously,Iknowthere'sprobablyamedicaltermforthat,likegreasyballamous,orsomething,butthat'sjustnotcool.Iswitchedtothearmpits,becausethat'sthesecondbestabsorbedarea.I'mtotallyhappylikeshavingmyarmpits.Iactuallyfinallygotthemlasered.I'mlikeI'msotiredofthis,Ijustdon'twantgreasyarmpithair,becausethat'sgross,right?NowIhavelikeaneasypathwayinforhormonesthataretopical,butIhaveyoungkids.OneofthereasonsIwentofftestosterone,asidefromthefactthatIrealizedIcouldmakemyownlevelsnaturallynow,isthatIreallydon'twanttracesoftestosteronecreamonmysheets,gettingonmykids.Ifyougetthoseonyoungkids,itreallyjacksthemup.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: It'slikethere'sgottobeacleanerwaythansmearinggreasyointmentallover.
TamiMeraglia: Wellthat'strue,Idotellmypatientsthebesttimetodoit,islikemorningshower,dress,gonefortheday.
DaveAsprey: Okaycool.
TamiMeraglia: Youknowunlessyou'redoingsomethingyoushouldn'tbedoingatwork,midday,youshouldbefine.
DaveAsprey: Okay,gotit,Ihearyou.
TamiMeraglia: Wejustsayatwotofourhourwindow,thisshouldbecompletelyreadyforcontact.Ifyouputitintheplaceswhereit'snoclothing.Testosteronelovesfat,andthere'saconditioncalleddermalfatiguewheretestosteronegetsstuckinthefat,anditdoesn'tgetdispersedthroughthebloodstream.You'llhavehigherandhigherdoses,andyourlevelsaren'tgoingup,andyou'relikewhattheheck?ThenI'llfindoutthatmypatientsareapplyingittotheir
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thigh.Likeno,youcan'tdothat.
DaveAsprey: Itreallymatters.Womenhavethisunfairadvantage,youhaveavagina,youcanapplyallsortsofcreamsandtheyjustgorightin.That'suseful.Nowthere'ssomethingthat...Idon'tthinkIwroteaboutthisineitherofthebooks,butI'vementioneditontheshowonceortwice.Mosthormonedoctorsarelikedon'ttellpeople.Here'sthething,ifyouhavebio-identicalhormonecream,sorry,bio-identicaltestosteronecream,andyoutakethetiniestdosepossibleandyouapplythatvaginally,whathappens?
TamiMeraglia: Oh,that'scalledScreamCream.
DaveAsprey: Screamcream,that'sagoodnameforit.
TamiMeraglia: No,itactuallyistheScreamCream.It'sgotawholebunchofotherthingsinit,but...
DaveAsprey: Theycallitthat?
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,it'saprescription.IwriteaprescriptionforScreamCream.
DaveAsprey: Okay,that'sawesome.
TamiMeraglia: It'sexactlywhatyouthink,it'stoincreasetheexperienceofintercourse.
DaveAsprey: There'salevelofvascularization.See,I'musingallthesemedicalterms,likeI'mlikeanunlicensedbio-hackerorsomething.It'salevelofvascularizationthatismind-boggling,andprobablynotnaturallypossibleinanormalenvironment.You'relikeIcan'tbelievethatjusthappened.I'mtalkinginthewoman,nottheman.It'sprettyshocking,andit'savery,verylowdose,butthat'soneofthosethingswhere...LikewhenIknowpeopleI'mworkingwith,ifIknowtheyhaveatestosteronecream,I'mlikeyoujustknowthatthismighthappenafteryouapplyit.Thefeedbackisuniversallylikeholycrap.Isthatriskyforthewomanthough?Imeanwe'retalkingverylowdoses.
TamiMeraglia: No,mypatientsareonlowdoses.Mymalepatientsareanywherefrom100to250milligrams.Myfemalepatientsareonlike0.5to3,maybeupto5milligramsasabigdoseforawoman.
DaveAsprey: It'sunlikelytocauseproblems,butitislikelytojustproduceaverydifferentexperience,we'lljustputitthatway.
TamiMeraglia: ScreamCream.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,ScreamCreamisthebestwaytoexplainit.That'smyfavoritetip,ifawomanfriendcametomeandsaidI'mhavingissues,wellthisisaquickfix.
TamiMeraglia: Offthebooks.
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DaveAsprey: Yeah,itdoesn'treallymatterifyou'retiredrightnow,it'sjustnotgoingtomatter.Whataboutthoughtherestofthetimeforlibido?Ifyou'renotgoingtogoforthebigguns,whatareotherthingsthatwomen,ormen,butactuallylet'sstartwithwomen,becauseIhearthisalot.
TamiMeraglia: It'sdifferent.
DaveAsprey: There'salsoperimenopausalandpost-menopausal,versuspre-menopausal,anddifferentthingscontributetodifferentthings.Let'sjustansweritforwomenfirst,startpre-menopause,andthenperimenopause,andthenpost-menopause.Walkmethroughwhatlibidoadviceyouhaveforwomen,andthenwe'lldothesameformen.
TamiMeraglia: Iaskeverywomanthesamequestion,andthequestionis,whathappenstoyourlibidowhenyou'reonholidayandsomeoneiscooking,andsomeoneiscleaning,andyoudon'thaveanythingtodo,andyoucanwakeupandgotobed,andeverythingisfreedom?Iftheirresponseisohit'sfine,it'sperfectinthatenvironment,thenit'snotahormoneissue.Thenit'saenergyissue,whichcouldbehormonerelated,butit's...
DaveAsprey: Ifyoutoldmetogetahousekeeper,itwouldraiselibido,isthatwhatIheardyousay?
TamiMeraglia: Well,actuallyItellthemtochangethetimeoftheday,becausetheendofthedaywomenarelike,yeah,I'mdone.It's10o'clock,10.30,DrTamitoldmebutinbedby10o'clocktosavemyadrenals,goodnight.They'rereallynotattheirbest.Itellpeopleyourkidsgoingtohavetodotheirhomework,ordowhatevertheywantafterdinner,afterdinnerjustsneakoff,andhaveyourtime.Thenbedtimeroutineforthekids,andcleaningup,andallofthatcanhappenafterwards.Oranyothertime,somepeoplelikemornings.Endofthedayisaproblemforalotofwomen.Justtryswappingthetimeoftheday.Ifwomentellmenoit'sthesame,I'mnotinterestedwhetherI'monholiday.Thenit'sreallyahormoneissue.
DaveAsprey: Thatappliesforallthreeofthetimeswetalkedabout,pre,peri,andpost?
TamiMeraglia: Exactly.Funnyenough,DHEAisthemostsignificanthormoneinvolvedinwomen'slibido.It'sactuallybiggerthantestosterone.
DaveAsprey: Forallthewomenlisteningrightnow,Iwould,basedonpersonalexperiencetellyou,getyourlevelstestedbeforeyoubuythisoverthecountersupplement,okay?It'sareallypowerfulhormone.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Ifyoudon'tneedit,don'ttakeit,please.Don'teventhinkaboutit.
TamiMeraglia: No.
DaveAsprey: Youmightdisagreewithme,butI'mjustlike...
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TamiMeraglia: Iamsuper-cautious,andyouwanttoknowthatyouroptimallevelsarebetween175and
330,sodon'tgobywhatnormalis.Normaljustmeansyou'redecliningattheagethatisexpectedofanoverweight,middleAmerican,eeuw.Youwanttogowithoptimalranges,andDHEAsulfateis175to330.
DaveAsprey: Forwomen,orformen?
TamiMeraglia: Forwomen,yeah.Formenitcangoupalittlebithigher.Youalwayshavetorememberthatyourbodymaystillbeintheoptimalrange,oreventhenormalrange,butitcouldbeonthelowerend.Whatwereyoutenyearsago?Maybeyoufeeldifferent.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,that'swhyyou[crosstalk00:49:36].
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,exactly.Maybeyouwereatthetopoftherangetenyearsago,andsoitdoesfeeldifferenttoyou.Yourregulardoctorisgoingtotellyouyou'refine,becauseyou'restillinthenormalrange,butyou'veactuallyhadabigdecrease,andthat'swhyyoufeeldifferent.Getthemtested.
DaveAsprey: There'stwokindsofDHEAyoucanbuy,ImeanyoucanbuytheseatWholefoods.Youcanbuytheseonline,they'recommonlyavailable.Oneiscalled7-KetoDHEA,theotheroneisjustregularDHEA.Doyouhaveapreferenceforwomenormen?
TamiMeraglia: Ifyouhaveapropensitytoacne,youshoulduse7-KetoDHEA,becausethefistside-effectIseeinmypatientswithtoomuchDHEA,ormaybenoteventoomuch,buttoomuchofanincreaseovernight,isacne.Idon'tcarewhoyouare,Irecommendyoustartoffwithfivemilligrams.Youcanalwaysgoup,butit'sreallyhardtohaveaside-effectandgookay,nowIhavetocompletelygetthisoutofmybody.Ihavetocleanseit,andthenstartover.Igeteverybodytostartlow,andgoslow.Youcan'tgofromthebottomofthebarreltothetopofthebarrelovernight.DHEAisgreat,but7-KetoDHEAifyouhaveapropensityforacne.
DaveAsprey: Allright.Whataboutinmen,forlibido,whatdoyourecommend?
TamiMeraglia: Testosterone.
DaveAsprey: Okay.
TamiMeraglia: It'sjustlike...There'swaysthatyoucanboostyourowntestosteronelevel.Mybookisallabout...Ifyouhaveverylowtestosterone,it'sawin,win,win.Weknowit'ssafeifyou'reworkingwithsomeonewho'scheckingtheconversiontoestrogen,andcheckingthethicknessoftheblood,andthosekindsofthings.
DaveAsprey: Alotofwomenatperimenopausestartgettingproblemswithosteoporosis.Tellmeabouttestosteroneversusaprescriptiondrug,likeFosamax.Noonewantsweakbones.
TamiMeraglia: StudiesoutofAustraliashowedthattestosteronewasthebestprescriptionfor
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osteoporosis,andnoside-effects.Ohwait,moreenergyisaside-effect,betterlibidoisaside-effect,bettermuscle/fatratioisaside-effect.Fosamaxhasaside-effectcallednecrosisofthejawbone.There'sno...
DaveAsprey: Isawthat,itwasonWalkingDead,totallyoneofthezombieshadthat.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,right.It'sfrightening,andwhatwe'refindingoutnowisthatFosamaxisverysimilartothefluoridethatwehadbeengivenforourteeth.It'snotmakingstrongerteeth,it'smakingharderteeththatarecrackingandbreakinglaterinlife.It'snotstronger.We'refindingthattheFosamaxisdoingthesamething.Itgetsabetterdexascan,becauseitshowsupasharder,butit'snotstronger.Bonesactuallyhaveagivetoit,soit'snot...It'sfrightening.Ihavesomanypatientswhowehavereversedtheirosteoporosis.
DaveAsprey: Whatdoyourecommendintermsoffoods.Likegivemesomefoodsthatdiminishtestosterone?LikethingsIshouldnoteat.
TamiMeraglia: Sugar.Yourtestosteronewillgodownin30minutes.
DaveAsprey: Yeah.
TamiMeraglia: Justcrazy.Thenyou'lllovethis,becausethisnon-fatcrazethatpeoplewereonforsuchalongtime,that'stheworstthingthatyoucandoforyourbodytotryandmaketestosterone.Itneedsfat.Itneedsgoodfattomaketestosterone.It'sjustcrucial,andprotein.It'skindofaBulletproofdiet,isn'tit?
DaveAsprey: Itkindofmightbesomethinglikethat.Let'ssee,nosugar,lotsoffat.Idon'ttalkaboutthisoftenenough,butthefirstbookthatIwrote,fiveyearsofresearch,wastheBetterBabyBook,itwasaboutfemalefertility,andtosomeextent,malefertility.WeusedittorestoreLana'sfertility,shewasinfertilewhenwestartedwritingthebook.ThatknowledgeiswhatledtotheBulletproofdiet,it'sgothormonestuffbuiltintoit,andotherthingslikethat.It'skindofwhatworks.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: YouwritealotinTheHormoneSecretaboutsimilarthingslikethat.Iknowwe'vebothtalkedaboutsoyandBPA.IjustfoundaninterestingstudythatsaidsoyprotectsyoufromBPA.Atthatpoint,amIgoingtochoosetheeviloftwolessers?
TamiMeraglia: Iwasgoingtosay,wouldyoupreferthattothegunortheknife?
DaveAsprey: Exactly.Ithoughtthatwaskindofareallysneakysoymarketingtechnique.Yes,BPAisreallybad,andsoyisonlykindofbad.
TamiMeraglia: WellIhaveahugesectionaboutsoyinmybookTheHormoneSecret,it'slikeit'snotevenconsideredafoodproductinmanymarkets.Theydon'tevenhavetotrytogettoanystandardofquality.Then,wasn'titlikethefirstorsecondGMO?It'sjustlikethelistgoes
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onandon.
DaveAsprey: Ohyeah,it'sbadonsomanylevels.There'sonepartofsoythatI'moftwomindsabout,andIwanttogetyouropiniononit.Thismightalittledetailed,soI'llexplainitforthepeoplelistening.There'skindofastickyfatthat'sinvolvedinmakingourcellmembranes,andsomeofourneurotransmitters,andit'scalledlecithin.Youcangetlecithinineggyolks,isactuallyoneofthebestplacesyoucangetthis.It'sreallyimportantforyourbody.Oneofthemostcommonsourcesoflecithinoutthere,andbytheway,you'llfindsmallamountsofit,ifit'snon-GMOthat'sbetter,butinsomechocolate,forinstance.Whatitdoesisitletsyoumixfats,it'sanemulsifier.Itlet'syoumixfatwithotherthings.
Ifyouwantlikeasmooth,creaminess,youaddjustatingeofthis,andifyouwanttohavealotofneurotransmitterscalledacetylcholine,wellthenlecithinisagreatcholinedonor.Ifyou'relookingtorebuildsomeofthetissuesinyourbody,gettingreallyhighdosesoflecithinintothebodyforawhileworks.Youcantakethegetsomeicecreamrecipethat'sinbothofthebooks,bothoftheBulletproofbooks,youmighthaveasimilaroneinTheHormoneSecret,Idon'trememberoffthetopofmyhead.Youcanactuallyaddsoylecithintothattogetmorelecithinintothebody.Youcanalsoaddsunflowerlecithin,whichmeansyourice-creamisgoingtotastelikecrap,butthenyouavoidedsoy.
Nowhere'smyquestionforyou,ifI'mgettingnon-GMO,soylecithin,whichdoescontainsomeisoflavones,butnotasmuch,amIreallydoingabadthingtomybody?GiventhatI'mgettingalotofgoodstuff,butI'mstillgettingsomesoy?Idon'tknowtheanswer,Ifigureit'sprobablyokay.
TamiMeraglia: Ithinkitdependsonratios.Likeifthatisthemajorityofyourdiet,allday,everyday,thenyou'regoingtotipthescales.
DaveAsprey: Thenyou'rescrewed.
TamiMeraglia: Inyoursituation,whereyou'reusingit,andit'savehicle,andit'sjustlikethiskindofhitchhiker,theisoflavonesareahitchhiker,thenyou'renotgettingalotofit.That'sthewholepointoflivingan80/20rule,iswhenyou'reoptimized,andyou'recontrollingandoptimizingasmuchasyoucan,yourbodycandealwiththatquiteabitbetter.Yay,getthelecithin,andthenthat'sjustthissidethingthatyourbodycandealwith.
DaveAsprey: Justtobereallyclear,ifyou'relisteningtothisandyou'relikewhattheheck?YoucanbuysoylecithinatWholefoods,atthevitaminshop,atanywhereonline,there'stonsofit.Ifyoudiddosoy,you'dwanttodonon-GMO.IfyoudomaketherecipeforGetSomeIce-Cream,ithasnineraw,pasturedeggyolksinit,whichareasuperiorsourceoflecithin,andithas,ifyouwanttoaddit,youcanaddacoupleoftablespoonsofsoylecithin,whichjustmakesitevencreamierandmoredelicious.Eitherwayit'sfulloflecithin,becausethat'spartofthereasonthatitworks.DrTami,Ithinkwetalkedaboutit,butthatrecipe...It'scalledGetSomeIce-Cream,becauseanhourafteryoueatityou'relike,IhaveeverybuildingblockIneedtomakeababy,maybeIshouldgotryitrightnow.Ithasanoticeableeffectonthelibido,justwhenyougetaburstofgoodfatinthebody.Itwasamazingto
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discoverthat.
TamiMeraglia: Ihaveaquestionforyou,whatdoyoudo...YouandIspeakandattendseveralconferencesayear,whatdoyoudowhenyou'reinthatlineforbreakfast,andyou'regettingsomeeggs,andbacon,andallkindsofyummystuffforyourbodytostarttheday.Whatdoyoudowhenyouhearsomebodyaheadofyouorderandeggwhiteomelette?
DaveAsprey: Well,Idon'tactuallywaitinthoselinesanymore,becauseIdoBulletproofcoffee.
TamiMeraglia: Youjustdoyourshake,and...
DaveAsprey: IdoBulletproofcoffeeintheroom.IhavetheBulletprooftravelmugthat'sfullysealed.Icarrybutter,Iputbutter,BrainOctane,andIbrewcoffeeintheroom.ThenI'mdone.Idon'tneedanyfooduntillunch,orafterlunch.Or,Igettosaythis,becauseit'sawesome,checkthisout.Youhaven'tevenseenthisyet,thisiscalledInstamix.Thesearepackets,justmadethisstuff.Youtakeoneofthese,it'sgotthebutter,it'sgottheBrainOctane,andyoujustputitinyourblackcoffee.Ijustbrewthecoffeeintheroom...
TamiMeraglia: Ohmygod!
DaveAsprey: Youshakeitup,andI'mdone.That'swhatIdo.
TamiMeraglia: That'ssogreat.
DaveAsprey: IfIwasinline,andIwasgoingtohavebreakfast,Iwouldbelike,canIhavetheireggyolks.Idon'twanteggwhites,that'sdisgusting.
TamiMeraglia: Iknow,right?
DaveAsprey: Youshouldtaketheeggwhites,andyoushouldliterallyfeedthemtothepigthat'sgoingtomakethebacon.
TamiMeraglia: IfeelsolikeIdon'twanttolikebutin,butIfeellikegrabbingthemandsayingyousothinkyou'rebeinghealthy,butyou'redoingtheexactoppositething.
DaveAsprey: Youknowwhatyoucouldsay,thisiskindofmean,butitworks,you'relikeexcuseme,youlookreallyold,isitbecauseoftheeggwhites?I'mkidding,Iwouldn'tdothat.
TamiMeraglia: That'sterrible.
DaveAsprey: Iwouldn'treallydothat,becausethatwouldbemean.
TamiMeraglia: DidIshowyouthepictureofmydaughtermakingherownshake?
DaveAsprey: No.
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TamiMeraglia: I'mgoingtoshowitonthis,because...Canyouseewhatshe'sholding?
DaveAsprey: Ohmygoodness,she'sholdingabigbottleofBrainOctane,ohthat'ssocute.ShowittobothcamerassopeoplecanseeitonYouTube.BulletproofExec.com/YouTubewilltakeyoutothechannel.
TamiMeraglia: Isn'tthatawesome?
DaveAsprey: Thatissocute.
TamiMeraglia: Wemakehercoffeeinthemorning.YouandIarethefewpeopleintheworldthatfeedourkidscoffee.Shesaysmommy...
DaveAsprey: Anounceofcoffeeissogoodforthem.
TamiMeraglia: ...thiscoffeetastesweird,she'slike,didyouforgetmyBrainOctane?
DaveAsprey: No.
TamiMeraglia: Yes.LikeI'mgoingtohavetogetDavetopayyoutobeonanad.
DaveAsprey: That'ssocute.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Itellyou,mykidsbehavesomuchbetter,they'resomuchmorefocusedwhentheyjusthavetheenergyinthebrain.Fatforkids,theirhormonesaren'tevenonlineyet,buttheirbodiesarechangingsomuchthatthefatthatyoueatasamotherwhenyou'rebreastfeedingissoimportant.Youdon'teatdamagedfats,youwanttogiveyourkidsgoodfats.Ifyoudothat,theirchancesofhavinghealthyhormoneswhenthey'regoingthroughpuberty,andintherestoflife,itgoesupdramatically.Whenyoujustgivekidsfat.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,beforeImetyou,yearsandyearsago,myolderdaughterwhois11,usedtojusteatbutter.Everybodywouldbelikeyoushouldstopher.Youknow,kidskindofjustknowwhattheyneed,theremustbesomethingintherethatsheneeds,I'mfinewithit.She'snotobese,shedoesn'thavehealthproblems,haveatit.Shejustloveditwhenshewasyoung.
DaveAsprey: WhatIlearnedisthatwe'veallhadkidswhosayI'mnotgoingtoeatthat,right?Ifit'sbeforesixyearsold,it'susuallynotthatI'mrebelling,sortofthing,it'sactuallytheirbodytellingthemthattheydon'twanttoeatit.MostofthetimewhenImademykidseatsomethingthattheysaidtheydidn'twantwhentheywerereallyyoung,Iregrettedit.They'dbelike...theygotarash,theywerefussy,theywerewhiny.Theyhaveabuilt-inradaraboutfoods.Conversely,ifthey'relikeImusthavethat,andit'snotsugar,becausetheygethookedonsugarlikeeveryone.Imusthavethat.Really?Youwantedthe90percentdarkchocolate?Fineyoucanhavealittlebit,butnotbeforebed.Youwantedtoeatastickofbutter?
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WhenAnnawasthree,shesatonSanta'slapforthefirsttimeatthelocalthing,andhe
sayswhatdoyouwantforChristmaslittlegirl?Shegoes,Iwantmyownstickofsalty,grass-fedbutter.SantalooksatmelikeI'msomekindofbadparent.I'mlikeyeah.Hegoesokaylittlegirl.Christmasmorningshehasherbike,andallthisstuff,shetakesthelittlestickofKerrygoldbutter,andsheunwrapsitandsheholdsitaboveherhead,andsherunsaroundthehouselikeanOlympictorch.ShetearsoffthetopandshetakesabitelikeaSnickersbar.Shekeptitinthefridgeandanytimeshewantedshecouldopenthedoorandjusttakeabite.Iswearthatthelevelofjoythatthatstickofbutterbrought,waslikeokay,that'swhatherbodyneeds,I'mnotjudging.It'stotallycool.
TamiMeraglia: Well,youknow,Ilovethatyouwerelisteningtoyourkids.Itellmyparentpatientsyourchildneeds13tastesbeforetheyreallyknowwhethertheylikesomething.Iencourageyoutoifthey'reonlylikingwhitefood,whitepasta,whiteeverything,thenmaybetheirtastebudsarealreadyruined,soyouneedtoencouragethem.Ifeelreally,reallybad,Iforcedmydaughterwhenshewasreallyyoungtoeatsalmon,becauselikesalmon,right?
DaveAsprey: Right.
TamiMeraglia: Shethrewup.
DaveAsprey: Ohno.
TamiMeraglia: Iknow,it'slikeherbody,uh-uh,thisisnotforus.Yeah,thereissomethingtobesaidaboutthatinnateknowledge.
DaveAsprey: Yeah,there'salsosomethingtobesaidaboutgettingusedtoeatingreallygoodfoods.Mysonwascomplainingaboutbreakfastatsomepoint.DrLanagetsalittlebitfrustratedandshegoes,look,somekidsaren'tsoluckytohaveamothermakethemahotbreakfastbeforeschool.
TamiMeraglia: True.
DaveAsprey: Somekidsonlygetanapplebeforeschool.Helookskindofconfused,andsomekidsdon'tgetanythingbeforeschool.Helookshorrified,hegoes,youmeantheirmommiesdon'tmakethembaconandduckeggs?Duckeggs.
TamiMeraglia: Mygosh.
DaveAsprey: Wehaveaduckfarmnearby,wegetduckeggs,andthey'rehugeyolks,andthey'recreamyanddelicious.Likethelevelofexpectation,justtotakethatforgranted.It'sprettyfunny,butyouteachyourkidstolikewhattheylike,andtheywilltellyouifit'snotokay.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah.
DaveAsprey: Wegotoffthetopicofhormones,becausefatmakeshormones,andyougottofeedkids
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fatsotheycanmakehormones.
TamiMeraglia: Right,andthelecithin.
DaveAsprey: Yeah.We'recomingupontheendoftheshow,andIwanttoaskacouplemorequestions.Oneofthemisifsomeoneislookingforadoctorwhocanhelpthemwithhormones,besidesyou,whatarethethreequestionsthattheyshouldaskadoctortojustknowthatthey'redealingwiththerightperson?
TamiMeraglia: Beforeyou'reaskingthequestions,youneedtoembracethefactthatyourdoctorworksforyou,andyoucanfireyourdoctor.Youknow?
DaveAsprey: It'sliberating.You'refired.I'vesaidthat.
TamiMeraglia: Yeah,exactly,youaretheCEOofyourownhealth,andyoumaketheexecutivedecisionswiththeguidanceofsomebody.You'retheCEOofyourcompany,butyoumightnotknowalltheminutiaabouteverydetailofeveryavenue.Youmightnotknowthemakingsofthenewequipmentthatgoinyourrestaurant.Youjustknowithastobethere.Youtrustthatthatexpertoverthereishandlingthat,that'sthesameway.Yourdoctoristheexpert,butyouaretheCEO.Embracethefactthatyoucanfireyourdoctoratanytime,andgolooking.Thenaskyourdoctoronefirstquestion.That'sreallyallyouneedtoknowwhetheryoushouldwalkoutthedoor,orstayandasktherest.Whateffectdoesnutritionhaveonmyhealth?Ifthedoctorsaysnone,leave.Realsimple.
DaveAsprey: Itshouldbereallyeasy,becausethedoctorshouldbe40poundsoverweightiftheyanswerthatway.
TamiMeraglia: Notalways.
DaveAsprey: Justkidding.
TamiMeraglia: Thesecondquestionis,whatdoyouthinkaboutthedifferencebetweennormallabranges,andoptimallabranges?That'sgoingtosaydotheyevenknowwhatthatis?Aretheyeducatedaboutit?Cantheylookatmefromanoptimalpointofview?ThenthethirdiswhatdoyoudoifwhatI'mtellingyou,doesn'tmatchthelabresults?What'smoreimportant,whatI'mtellingyou,orwhatthelabsays?Forexample,ifyousayI'mconstipated,myskinisdry,I'mexhausted,andI'moverweight,butmythyroidtestisnormal.Whodoyoutrust?Thepatient.
DaveAsprey: Thatisaseriouslylegitimatelistofquestions,I'veneverheardanyonesayitthatway,butthatisprobablythebestsortingfactorIcanthinkof.Ifyoumissthose,thefulltranscriptforthisisfreeontheBulletproofwebsite,soyou'llbeabletogoup,andIwouldactuallyprintoutacopyandpastethosethings.Literallyhavethemonyourphone,orprintthemoutandaskyourdoctorthat.Ifullyendorsethosequestions,thatisreallyelegant,sothankyouforthat.
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TamiMeraglia: Happytoshare.
DaveAsprey: NowthefinalquestionIwanttoaskyouis,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrow,inyourpracticeornot,andjustsaidIwanttokickassateverythingIdo,whatarethethreethingsIneedtoknow?Thethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyouhaveforme,whatwouldyousay?
TamiMeraglia: Hormonesfirst.Hormonesallowyoutofunctiondifferently,andtheyallowyoutohaveyourenergyataplacewhereyoucanpickyournutritionbetter.You'llhaveenergytocook.Firstofallgetyourhormoneschecked,andmakesureyou'reintheoptimalrange.Rememberyourhormonesareasymphony,theyallhavetoworktogether.Don'tpickandchoose,don'tjustpickyourtestosteronebecauseyouwanttobebuff,andenergetic,orwhatever.Youhavetolookatthemall.Theyallworktogether.
Thesecondthingisnutrition.Whatyoueatalldaylongmatters,andevenmoreimportantly,andthisissomethingthatIcan'tstressenough,andIdon'tknowverymanypeoplewhotalkaboutit,iswhenyoueatmatters.Youhavegottohonoryourcircadianrhythm,you'vegottostartyourdaywithsomething.Whetherit'sputtingproteininyourcoffee,orhavingashake,orhavingeggsyou'vegottostartyourdaywithprotein.Thenthesecondimportantpartisthatafternoonsnack,whereyou'renaturallyhavinganadrenaldip,butyoudon'twantthediptobeadive.Youwanttohaveanothersnackthere,sowhenyoueatisjustasimportantaswhatyoueat.
Thenthethirdthingissleep.Onlylessthan10percentofusthriveonsixorlesshoursofsleep.Youmightbeoneofthem,you'relisteningtothis,asyouknow,thisisme,that'sgreat.Themajorityofus,ourbrainsliterallyshrinkinsizeifwegetlessthansevenhoursofsleepanight.Insomethings,sizematters,andyourbrainisoneofthem.
DaveAsprey: Benignshrinkageisnotsomethinganyofuswant.
TamiMeraglia: No.That'sgood.
DaveAsprey: Onthatnote,wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourbook,andaboutyourpractice?
TamiMeraglia: Ihaveawebsite,it'sDrTami.com,andifanybodyisinterestedinthemembershipthatweweretalkingabout,andhavingavirtualappointment,theycanemailusatsupport@drtami.com.Wehaveanumberofpractitionershere,soIjusthiredabrandnewpractitioneraftertrainingherforoversixmonths.Shewasn'tallowedtoseeanypatientsforsixmonths.Nowshe'sready,andshe'sgotacoupleofappointmentsavailable,sowe'rereadyforsomemorepatients,andreadytochangesomelives.
DaveAsprey: Cool.Haveanawesomeday.ThanksforbeingonBulletproofradio.
TamiMeraglia: Youtoo,andIjustwantedtodoaplugaboutyourcookbook,becauseInowhaveasignaturesaladatmyhouse,anditsfromyourbook.It'sthearugulaone,withthepearsand...
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DaveAsprey: Thechocolateone?
TamiMeraglia: Ohmygosh.
DaveAsprey: Thatwasthemostsurprisingrecipeever,that'ssocoolyoumadethatone.
TamiMeraglia: Absolutely,ifyourlistenersdon'thaveyourcookbook,theyneedtogetitjustforthat
recipe,it'samazing.
DaveAsprey: Beautiful.
TamiMeraglia: Thanksforyourtime.
DaveAsprey: ThanksDrTami,bye.
TamiMeraglia: Bye.
DaveAsprey: Ifyoulikedtoday'sshow,youknowwhattodo,headonovertoiTunes,andsayhey,Ilikedthisshow.Whileyou'reatit,youmightconsiderheadingovertotheBulletproofwebsiteandcheckingoutourbrandnewInstamix.ThisactuallyjustarrivedatmyhousebyspecialovernightdeliverysoIcouldshootavideoofit.Itliterallyjustcameout,checkthisout.It'slikereal,it'samazing,andyou'regettingyourBrainOctane,andyourbutter,andallthegoodstuff,andit'sportable,andit'snotliquid.Whichmeansyouprobablywon'tspillit,butitalsomeansthatTSAwon'tharassyouaboutit,andyou'vegotyourbutterwithyou,andit'sshelf-stable,itdoesn'tneedarefrigerator.Thisisdestinedtochangethefutureofyourtravel.Youdothis,andtheBulletproofcollagenbars,andwhatyou'vegotisprettymuchfreedomfromfastfoodfortherestofyourlife.Haveanawesomeday.