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Episode129:ChildhoodCancer–Avoidance,

TreatmentandUnderstandingtheOddswithMyKidCuresCancer

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Child:WelcometomyMommy’spodcast.

Thispodcastisbroughttoyoubymyobuddy.Thisthingisoneofmydailygo-to’sforrelaxationbecauseitcombinesthebenefitsofinfraredheat,percussivemassageandvibrationaltherapyforwhatIcanonlydescribeasamixtureofdeeptissuemassageandmyofascialreleaseallinonedevice.IthasreallyreducedmymuscletensionandmyneedformassageandmanypeoplewithconditionslikeMS,chronicfatigue,etcareusingthisformusclerelief.Also,manyathletesuseitforfasterrecovery.Ipersonallyfindthebiggestbenefitforrelaxationandforfasciawork,butyoucantryitoutatwellnessmama.com/go/myobuddyandmakesuretochecktheshownotesforaspecialdiscount.

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Katie:Helloandwelcometo"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."IamKatiefromwellnessmama.comandI'mheretodaywithanamazingpowercouplewhoI'vemetrecentlyandjusthadtosharetheirstory.RyanandTeddySternagel,I'mhopeI'msayingthatright,startedMyKidCuresCancerayearaftertheirsonRyderwasdiagnosedwithstage4neuroblastoma,whichisacancerofthenervoussystem,andIdon'twanttogettoomuchintotheirstory.Iwanttoletthemtellit,butbasically,theyhavebeenonthisincrediblejourney.Theirsonisnowhealthyandvibrantandamazing,andtheynowareinspiringmanychildrenandparentsaroundtheworldtotaketheirhealthseriouslyandtogethealthier.SoRyanandTeddy,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.Ryan:Hey,Katie.Teddy:Hey,thankssomuchforhavingus.Katie:I'msoexcited.LikeIsaidIgettomeetyouguysinpersonandyou'rejustanamazinginspirationandyourstoryisincredible,soI'dlovetostartthere.IfyoucankindofjusttakeusthroughthewholejourneyandhowyouendedupnowwiththisamazingwebsitecalledMyKidCuresCancerandthesadstorythatledtothat.Teddy:Sure.Well,Iguessit'sbeenjustoverthreeyearsnow,butjustoverthreeyearsagooursonRyder,whowasjustabouttoturnoneatthattime,wasdiagnosedwithstage4cancer,anditwas...Ryan:It'sneuroblastoma.Teddy:Neuroblastoma,right.Ryan:It'scancerofthenervoussystem.SoTeddywas...Idon'tknowwhat,wereyounursinghimonedayand

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youjustfoundabiglumpstickingoutofhisback,orhehadtobebentoverintherightwaybutyoucoulddefinitelyfeelit,anditwasactuallyalotofbackandforthactuallyjusttryingtogetthediagnosis.Yeah,yeah,pediatriciantoldusit'sokay,thephysician'sassistantinthehospitaltoldusokay,adoctoratthehospitaltoldusit'sokay,andfinallykeptpressing,keptpressing,andyouknow,finallyhetalkedthemintogettinganultrasound,andsureenoughtherewasamass,andthenthatledtoanMRI.Andwhenwe,youknow,whenwegottheMRIitwassupposedtotake,what,likeahalfhour,andthenlikeanhourgoesby,anhourandahalfgoesby,andalmosttwohourslaterwedefinitelyknewsomethingwaswrong.Andthedoctorandthenursecameintotheroomandtheybothhadtearsintheireyesandtheysaid,"Thelumpyoufeltwasjustthetipoftheiceberg,andhe'sgotamassivetumorthat'sbiggerthanhiskidneysinsideofhisspinalcord,therearesecondarytumors,andtheyhadallmetastasizedintohisbones."Sothatwasnotthegreatestdayofourlivesbut,youknow,wehadalreadybeenfairlyhealthconsciousandwe'rejustinterestedinalotofnaturalremedies,stufflikeyouwriteaboutandjust,ingeneral,hadseenalotof,youknow,alternativeorholisticapproachestodealingwithcancerandthatsortofthing.Sowewere...Idon'tknow.Whenanyonegetsdiagnosedwithcancertheydefinitelytryto,youknow,sayyouneedtostartonconventionaltreatment,chemotherapy,yesterdayit'sthisveryrushedthing,andweknewwewantedtohaveallthefactsandwewantedtoreallyunderstandeverythingandgetsecondopinionsandthatsortofthingbeforerushingandeverything.Sowedid...initially,wetookhimhome,anditwasatoughdecisionnottojustjumprightinbutwedidtakehimhomeand...Butweagreedtogetalineputin,likeanessentiallinewheretheywoulddochemotherapyjustincase,andweweregonnado,Idon'tknow,there'salternativetreatmentslikeintravenousvitaminCandDMSOandgoodstufflikethat,sothat'skindofwhatwe'replanningon.Heendedupfromthatlinegettingabloodstreaminfection,astaphinfectioninhisblood,andthatbroughtusrightbacktothehospital.Andsowedid...atthatpoint,wewereinthehospitalandhehadamassivetumorinhisspinethatwasthreateningtoparalyzehimatanyminute,sowewentthroughwithchemotherapyoneround,butinthemeantime,wewereimplementingeverything...doyouwanttosaysomething,baby?Teddy:Yeah,Imeanjustwhatyou'resaying.Imean,whenwehadtobringRyderbacktothehospitalandevenwhenwetookhimhome,wehadbeendoingresearch,evenleadinguptothediagnosissinceitdidtakehimsolongtogetdiagnosedonwhatwecouldbedoingathometosupporthisbodyandifitwascancer,theworstnewsthatwhatwecouldbedoingtoactuallyfightthecancerandmitigatesideeffectsfromconventionaltreatments.Sothat'swhatwedid,westartedrightaway,andwhenwehadtheofficialdiagnosiswefoundanamazingnaturopathiconcologistinourareawhosupportedus,andwewereabletousetheportthatRyderhadformorethanjustchemotherapy.WewereabletouseitforIVDMSOandvitaminC,andhereallydidsowellduringtreatment.Andoneoftheotherthingsthatwegotrightawayforhimwasafeedingtube.Sowewereactuallyabletogivehimcold-pressjuicesthatwe'remakinginourhospitalroom,whichnobodywasreallyeverdoing,andtonsoftonsofsupplements.Sohedidgreat,andthatwasreallytheinspirationforourwebsite,mykidcurescancer.com.Wejustreallyfelttheneedtodocumentwhatweweredoingandtoshareitwithotherfamilieswhowereinsimilarpositionsaswewereandjustgetthemessageoutthatthere'ssomuchmorethanwecanbedoingthanjustthestatusquoconventionaltreatmentinourkids.Wecannotonlyhelpthemthrivebutjustgivethemsuch,like,bettersuccessrates,andwe'llgetintojustthesuccessrateofchildhoodcancertooI'msurelaterintheepisode.Butthatwasreallytheinspirationforoursiteand,youknow,it'sledtoamuchbiggermovementthanweimaginebecausenowwe'rejustreachingsomanypeople

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whojustaretakingmattersintopreventingcancerandjustleadingthehealthiestlifepossibleintotheirownhands.Soit'sbeenreallypowerfulandreallyamazingforusandsupertherapeuticatthesametime.Katie:Ibet.Imeanthathastobeobviouslyoneofaparent'sworstnightmares,istohavetogothroughthat,butIlovethatyouguyshavetakenitandsharedyourexperiencesothatothersarebenefitingaswell.Andjusttomakesuretoclarify,likeRyderisdoinggreatnow,right?He'sthriving,he'shealthy,he'samazing,andthat'sjustanincredibletestamenttoyouguys.AndIthinktheinterestingpart,especiallythatI'dlovetodelvedeeperon,ishowyoufigureoutwhatyoucoulddo,especiallywithachild.BecauseI'veseenalotofalternativecancertreatmentinformationoutthere,butyou'reright,noneofitisgearedtowardschildren.Sohowdidyouguysnavigatethatandfigureoutwhatyoucoulddowithhimandwhatyoucouldn'tandhowtodothatwithsomeonesoyoung?Teddy:Ittookalotofresearch,justnonstophours,Imean,wewereupallnightandsomuchtrialanderror.Wewereovernightshippingsupplementstousandjustreallytryingoutsomuchonourownandhavinganaturopathiconcologistfromprettymuchdayonesupportingus,andwewouldbringhimprotocolsthatweputtogetherandhewould,youknow,tweakthemquiteabitandtelluswhat'sactuallygoingtobehelpfulduringchemotherapy,whatweshouldstopdoingbecausesomethingsdon'tmixwell.Andsoitwasdefinitelyalotoftrialbyfire.Therewasalotofpressureon,andwejustknewthatwehadtodosomethingforhim.Wecouldn'tjustsitandwatchhelplessly.Andlikeyousaidthere'ssomuchresearchoutthereonalternativetreatmentsforadults,andthat'sreallywhywejustknewthatwehadtoactuallyputouttheinformationforkids,too.Ryan:Well,yeah,andtheotherthingis,youknow,there'stonsofalternativecancerblogsornaturalcancerblogsandthatsortofthingandthey'reallwrittenintermsofadults.Butintermsofresearch,it'sactuallyinteresting,youcangetontoPubMedwheretheypublishedjust,youknow,basicallyeveryscientificstudythat'severbeendone,there'salotofthem,andstart,youknow,searchingthesethingsthatyou'refindingoutfromtheholisticornaturalcancerworldandincombinationwiththechildhoodcancerthatyou'redealingwithandyouactuallygetalotofstuff.SoImean,likewesaid,intravenousvitaminCwasabigthingearlyon.I'vefoundabunchofstudieson,youknow,ascorbicacidorvitaminCbeingtoxictoneuroblastomacells.AndIdon'tknow,say...Teddy:VitaminA?Ryan:Yeah,juicing,youknow,carrotjuiceisabigdeal.YoucanlookintotheGersonTherapyandthere'salottoit,butthemainthingeveryoneknowsitforiscarrotjuiceand,yeah,beta-carotene.Therearestudiesonbeta-carotenekillingneuroblastomastemcells,andstemcellsareliketheworsttypeofcancercell,theonesthatyoureallywanttogetridof.Soyeah,that'swhatwealwaystrytoencourageparentsistojust,youknow,one,gotooursitebutthen,two,Imeanallthestuffyou'rereadingabout,youcandiveintotheresearchandstartsearchingyourspecificcancer.Andmorelikelythanthatyou'regonnafindsomegoodstuffandthat,youknow,thatwasalwaysreallyempoweringtous.It'sjustknowingthatthere'sactualpublishedliteratureoutthereonwhatwe'redoing.Katie:Yeah,that'sgreatthatyouguyswereabletofindthatandtofindwhatworksforhim.AndI'mcurious,sowhatwashisprognosisasfarastheconventionaltreatmentandthenlikewhatwas,asfarasthenaturopathiconcologist,wasthereadifferenceinwhattheyexpectedandweretheysurprisedathis

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recovery?AlsoI'mcurioushowlongdidittakeforhimtostartshowingimprovement?Teddy:Sohisprognosiswasprettygood.Hehadatthehighestrisklevelof...it'scalledintermediate-riskneuroblastoma,whichismuchbetterthanhighrisk,believeitornot,andsohisprognosis,Ithink,wasinthe80%range.Ryan:Itwas...Sointermediateriskwithconventionaltreatment,it'sinthe80sto90spercent.Butthefunnythingaboutneuroblastoma,inparticular,isoneofthebigfactorsonhowtheystageit,theriskgroupsisageofdiagnosis.Andanythingthatgetsdiagnosedafterone-year-oldautomaticallyjumpsintothehigh-riskgroup,whichthosekidsgetawholelotmoreconventionaltreatmentand...Teddy:AndsoRyderwasactuallydiagnosed11daysbeforeheturnedone,sothat'swhatputhimintothisintermediateriskgroup,whichwasahugeblessing.AslikeRyansaid,hadhebeendiagnosed11dayslaterhistreatmentplanwouldhavebeencompletelydifferent.Andasitwas,welackedalotofchoices,butwewouldhavereallybeenjuststrippedawayfromprettymuchallchoiceinthematter.So,withRyder,becausehewasintheintermediategroup,hisprotocolwasactuallysetforeightroundsand...Ryan:Ofchemotherapy.Teddy:Ofchemotherapy,andthentheywoulddorescanandpotentialformoreroundsaswell.Andweknewrightawaythatwewantedtoseeifwhatwearedoingincombinationwiththechemotherapycouldgethimlesstreatment.SowepushedreallyhardaftertworoundstogetanMRIandeverythingwasshrinkingsomuchfasterthanwhatwasexpected,soweactuallytriedtohavethechemotherapystoppedafterthesecondroundbecausehehadalreadyexperiencedwellover50%reductionandthecancerfromhisboneshaddisappearedandthesecondarytumorswereprettymuchgoneatthatpointtoo.Butwereallydidn'thaveatonofchoicesowewentontodotwomoreroundsandwemovedstatesandfoundanotherteamtoworkwithwhowaswillingtotakeawaitandseeapproachwithRyder.Sohalfwaythroughtheprotocol,wemadethedecisiontostopandwescannedhimquitefrequentlyforthefirstyear,itwaseverythreemonthsofMRIs,justtomakesurethateverythingwasstayingstablebecausetheprimarytumorwasinthespinalcordandtherewasnoroomtogrowwithit.Itwasinaverylife-threateningposition,soitwasdefinitelynotaneasydecision,butwefeltthatRyderneededtohaveaslittlepoison,prettymuchthat'swhatchemotherapyis,toasmallbodyaspossible.Andiftherewasawaythatwecouldkindofjustgetthebestofbothworlds,conventionalandholistic,thenthat'swhatweneededtodoforhim.Sohe'sdoinggreat.Imeanhe'salmostfourandahalfandhe'srunningaround.Theydidn'tknowifhe'deverbeabletowalk.Hecouldn'tcrawlatthattime,hecouldbarelysitup.Soweneverknewifhe'dbeabletowalk,andit'samiraclethathe'swalkingandjumpingandbeingalittlekidthatheistoday.Katie:It'ssoincredible,andIthinkobviouslytheamazingmiraclethathe'sdoingsogreatnowisitsownwonderfulthing,andthenalsoIthinkwhatisamiraclereallythatyouguyswereabletonavigatethisalternativepathwayanddothishandinhandwithconventionaltreatmentbecause,likeyousaid,I'veheardsomanystoriesofparentswhohadachilddiagnosedwithcancerandtheywereneverreallyabletodothat.Iknowthemedicalsystemcanhavealotofreallystrictruleswhenitcomestochildhoodcancertreatment.SoI'dlovetoknow,like,howdidyounavigatethatpathsuccessfully.Didyoueverrunintoanyroadblocksorstruggles?Iknowyoumovestatessothat'sabigdealtochangethetreatment,butthefactthatyouwereabletoadvocateforhimlikethatisabsolutelyincredible.Somaybeyoucangivesomeadviceorencouragementto

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otherparentswhomaybenavigatingthatsamethingrightnow.Ryan:Yeah.Imeanattheendoftheday,Idon'tknow,wealwaysliketousethephrasethatyou'retheCEOofyourchild'sheath.Like,youmightnothavealltheanswersbutyouneedtobringinalltheappropriatepeoplethatdohavetheanswersandcometothebest,mostwell-formeddecisionyoucan.So,Imean,ontheconventionalside,yeah,youwillgettold,one,youdon'thavealotofchoiceastowhetherornotyou'regoingtoparticipateintheconventionalmedicalsystem.Teddy:Andyouwillfeelverythreatenedandverybelittledandlikeyourresearchdoesn'tevenhaveaplaceanditisscary.Andsoforusmovingstateswasabigdeal.WemovedtoUtahwherewehadnofriendsandfamilyatthattimeandwewereleavingourfamilyandfriends.Soitwasareallybigdeal,butweknewthatifwestayed,weweren'treallyseeingeyetoeye,andthebiggestthingwasthatatthetimewhenRyderstartedtreatmentwereallythoughtitwasgoingtobefourroundsofchemotherapy,whichwasareallybigdealtous,butwereallycametofindoutthattheroadmapwasfordoublethat.Andsofindingateamtoworkwiththatwasabletobealittlebitmoretransparentwasreallyimportanttous.Andinsteadofhavingateamofdoctors,wefoundasituationwherewewereabletoworkalotcloserwithourteam,sowefeltmuchbetteraboutit.Ryan:Yeah.AndImeantheotherthingthatwealways...youknow,Imeannoteveryparentisgoingtobeabletomoveand,youknow,maybelikeminimizetreatmentandallthat,butthethingwealwaystrytostressisitdoesn'thavetobeoneortheothereither.Imean,that'slikeIwasstartingtosaywhenyougetintothat,thatworldofconventionaltreatment,theywillprettymuchtrytotellyounottodoanythingontheside,butthenthey'llalsotellyoutofeedyourkidwhatevertheywantanditdoesn'tmatter,nutritiondoesn'tmatterwhatsoever,justgivethemMcDonalds,andwhateverhewantstoeatthat'sfine,milkshakes,anything,butwealsotrytotellpeopleitdoesn'thavetobeoneortheothereither.Imeanwewereliterally,youknow,wehadajuicerinthehospitalroom,likeTeddysaid.Wewere,youknow,shovingsupplementsdownhistube.Andattheendoftheday,wetooktheadviceoftheconventionaloncologistasfarasstartingoutwiththeirtreatmentbutwealsotooktheadviceofournaturopathiconcologistwhoworkshandinhandwithpeoplegoingthroughconventionaltreatmentthatdoeswanttobedoingeverythingtheycanontheside,andthey'vedonealotmoreresearchthan,say,aconventionaloncologisthasinthatregard,andsoit's...Teddy:Andanaturopathiconcologistisstilldifferentthananaturopath,liketheirspecialtyisoncology.Sojustwantto,youknow,makeclearthat,youknow,reallyimportantdifference.Ifthereisaparentofachildwithcancer,thatfindinganaturopathiconcologistversusjustanaturopath,Ithink,isjustsokeybecausethey'rereallygoingtobeabletotellyouwhat'sokaytododuringconventionaltreatment,what'snot,andhave,like,thebestanticancerstrategies.Andalotofthemwillactuallybeabletoworkalongwithyourconventionalteamifyourconventionalteamisopentoit.Andwerecentlytalkedtoanotherchildhoodcancerorganizationthathadsomegreatadvice,thattalksaboutthequalityoflifeversus,"Hey,youknow,I'mgoingtojuiceandit'sgoingtofightthecancer."Youknow,andifyou'retalkingaboutthequalityoflifethat'ssomethingthateveryonecanreallygetbehind.Katie:That'sahugetip,yeah,tonotliketrytopresentitthatit'sgonnafixthecancer,butthatisyou'rejustdoingittohelptheirbody.Teddy:Exactly.

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Katie:Tostayhealthyandtofeelgoodwhilethey'regoingthroughit,that'sagreatkeypoint.AndI'dloveforyoutogointosomeofthestatisticstoo,becauseIhaveanotefromyouguysaboutthestatisticsofconventionaltreatmentasawholeasfarashowtheyareforchildrenversusadults,andIthoughtthatwasreallysurprising.Ididn'tevenknowthat.Sotalkaboutthat,howconventionaltreatments,evenifyoudon'twanttodothem,canbemoreeffectiveinchildren.Isthatright?Ryan:Yeah.So,Imean,it'sjustfunny.Whenyoustartlookingintoalternativeandholisticapproachestocancer,there's...youcomeacrossalotofpeople,verystronganti-conventionaltreatment,whatsoever.Andthere'sonestudy,inparticular,theythrowaround,thatthey...andIdon'tknowifit'strueforadultsornot,butthereisastudythatseemstoindicatethatchemotherapyasawholeisonlyeffectiveinadults2%to3%atthetime.AndI'mnot,youknow,I'mnotheretosaywhetherornotthatstudyistrueofadults,butIcertainlyknowit'snottrueofchildren.AndIdon'thave,like,Idon'thaveahardfactandIdon'tthinkanybodydoesintermsofhowexactlyhoweffectivechemotherapyis,butthesuccessratesarealotbetterwithchildrenasawholethantheyareinadults.Buttheotherthing,though,isthatIthinkastatisticthatdoesn'tgetenoughattentionintheconventionalworldisthatsomewherearound95%,I'veseenaslowastwo-thirdsupto95%ofchildhoodcancersurvivorswillbedealingwithasecondarychronicillnessbythetimethey're40,andthemajorityofthosewereactuallyanotherlife-threateningillness,beitcancerorsomethingelse.Teddy:Soalotofthesearefromthetreatmentsideeffectsthemselves,sothat'sreallywhyitwassoimportantforusknowingthestatisticsforRydertohaveaslittleconventionaltreatmentaspossiblethat,youknow,enoughtoshrinkthetumorandgethimoutofthewoods,butnotsomuchthatwewerejustturningintoanotherstatisticforhim.Becausereallyjust...it'ssomuchmorethansurvival.It's,youknow,survivalisyou'realivein,what,fiveyears?Ryan:Fiveyears.Teddy:Fiveyears,youknow.Andwhenyou'redealingwithkidsthat'snotgoodenoughforaparent.Ryan:Yeah.Soit's,one,minimizingthetreatment,but,two,justmakingsurethathewasjustasnutrifiedaswecouldpossiblymake,andthat'swhywewerejustshovingallsortsofgoodstuffdownthattubeprettymuchallday.Teddy:Andwestillare.Ryan:Andyeah,exceptthathedoesn'thaveatubeanymore,butyeah.Imeanhegetsthehealthieststuffpossible.Teddy:Samewithhissister.Ryan:Samewithhissister.Andthenwe'rebigonjustdetoxificationingeneral.Youknow,Ithinkalotoftimesadultswill...youknow,peopleintoholisticliving,likeI'msuremostofthepeoplethatlistentoyourshow,willlearnaboutdetoxificationandcertainthingstheycanbedoingtocleanthemselvesout,butdon'tnecessarilythinkaboutitfortheirchildren.ButImean,forcancersurvivors,inparticular,that's...youknowweneedtogetthatwhatevertreatmenthedidgetoranykidgets,weneedtogetabackoutofthem.Andthen,two,I

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meanevenforparentswhosechildren,thankGod,donothavecancer,theadultstatisticsare,what,oneintwomenandoneinthreewomenwilldevelopcanceratsomepointtheirlifetime.Youknow,it's...Itrytogetacrosstoeveryonethatjustbecauseyourchilddoesn'thavecancernowyoudoneedtobedoingeverythingyoucantohelpthembeattheoddsinthefutureofneverdevelopingcancer.Katie:Yeah,that'sahugepointandIlovethatyouguysareincorporatingthatwithyourdaughternowaswell,butlet'sdelveintothat.SotakemethroughsomeofthethingsyouguysdoonadailybasisorevenjustonearegularbasistohelpmakesureRyderstaysstrongandhealthybutalsotohelpavoidanyproblemsinthefuturewithyourdaughterorforyouguys.Teddy:Right.Sonoteverythinghastobecrazypumpingjuicesdownthefeedingtubeandsupplementsandthingslikethat.We'veactuallyincorporatedsomanythingsthatarefunforbothofourkids.Wehavearebounder,whichbothkidsnowdojumpings],justabout18months.SoshejumpsonatrampolineandRyderjumpsonatrampoline,andthenthat'sactuallymovingthelymphsystemaround,andit'sareallycheap,effectivewaytodetoxthebody,andit'soneofthebestwaystomovethelymphbecausetootherwiseyou'renotreallyevenmovingitaround.Sothatoneishuge.Thesauna,wehaveaninfraredsaunawhichRyanandRyderhavebeensittinginsinceprettymuchRyderwasdiagnosed,andthey'llgointherefiveorsixnightsaweekforaroundanhour.Andthesaunagetsupto,Iguess,itsays150degreesbutit'sinourbasement,soit'smorelikea140degrees,buthelovesit.Imeanthisissomethingthatkidscando,andadultsarealwaysshockedwhentheyseeRyderinthesaunawithRyan,buttheyloveit.Ryan:Yeah,yeah.We,youknow,playalotofgamesinthesauna.Rydercannowread,orexcuseme,henowlikespeak,hecancountto10inmultiplelanguages.Hecancountashighasyoulethim,andit'sfunnybecauseit'sjustlikethat'sourtimetolikelearnstuffandsingalongwithsongsandstufflikethat,soit'sfun.Andthenwealsojust,youknow,trytopreachlivingmoreofalifestyleofdetoxificationratherthanlike,youknow,thinkingyouhavetohavetheultimatedetoxificationprotocolworkedout.Sowewilljustkindof...we'llalwaysbethinkingaboutjusttryingnewthingsandnotnecessarily,sowewillmessaroundwithdifferentherbaltincturesormessaroundwithdifferentclays.Teddy:Andjuststartanoveralldiet,andourhomeenvironment,wejusttrytokeepeverythingashealthyaspossible.Ryan:Bathsaswell.Teddy:Oh,yeah,detoxbaths.Ryan:WedoEpsomsaltbathsanddetoxsaltbathsand...Teddy:Whicheverybody..everykidgetsabathanyway,soImeanturningitintoadetoxbathfromaregularbothisactuallyprettyeasy.You'rejustaddingsaltsandlettingthekidssoakandhaveagoodtime.Oh,andwhilethey'reinthebath,Ryderactuallydoescontrastshowerstoo,whichissomethingheisbecomingverygoodat,sowithicecoldwaterandthenmovingittowarmwateraswell.Ryan:Andyeah,that's...Sothatyeah,yougetintothemetabolism,whichiskindof,youknow,there'smanydifferenttheoriesofcancerbutoneofthemisyoubasicallywantthestrongestmitochondriawithinyourcellsasyoucan,andthatcellularmetabolismofhowyourcellsproduceenergy.Andprobablyyoudon'thaveto

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geekoutonthescience,butgoingbackandforthfromhottocoldorevenjustexposuretocoldingeneralreallygoesalongwaywithbuildingupyourcellularmetabolism.Andsothat's,Idon'tknow,itdefinitelywasn'tlike,youknow,somethingthathejustnaturallyloveddayone.Ithinkthere'sactuallyavideoonYouTubeoflikethefirsttimewetriedtodoacontrastshower.Itwasn'ttheprettiestbut...Teddy:Butwekeeptryingbecausenoteverythingistheprettiestondayone.Ryan:Yeah,but,youknow,andlongstoryshort,nowhelovesit.He'dactuallylooksforwardtoit.Teddy:Andthesamegoeswithevenfoods,youknow,thatwegiveourkidstoo.Like,iftheydon'tlikesomethingondayonewe'renotjustgivinguponthem.SoIthinkitjustgoesacrosstheboardwithanythingthatwedo.Andthey'restillkids,sothere'ssomedaysthatRyderjust,flatout,doesn'twanttodosomething,andwehavetobeokaywiththat.Ryan:Yeah,it'salsothathavinglikeoptions.Teddy:Right.Ryan:It'snotlike,okay,you'renotgonnadrinkyourgreensmoothie,here'ssomechickennuggets.Yeah.It's,let'strysalador,youknow,somethinglikethat.Teddy:Exactly.Katie:Yeah,that'sgreatadviceforallaspectsofparentsthatIfeellike.AndtheotherthingthatI'dlovetohearyouguysexplainin-depthiswhatyou'redoingasfarasyourhomeenvironment.Because,obviously,youhaveexposuretodifferentharmfultoxinsascontributortocancer,you'retryingtocreateashealthyofahomeenvironmentaspossible,andIthinkthat'sahugekeyforpreventionaswell,somethingI'vewrittenquiteabitabout.SoI'dlovetohearyourguys'takebothonwhatyoudidtomakeyourhomeenvironmenthealthyduringthattimeandthenwhatyou'redoingnowtokeepitthatway.Teddy:Sure,andweactuallyhaveachecklisttoothatweputtogethersowehaveitopenedinfrontofusbecauseit'sreally...Ryan:There'salot.Teddy:There'ssomuch,andit'ssomethingthatwejustgivepeoplerightawaywhentheyopt-inonourmailinglistatmykidcurescancer.com.Becauseitreally,there'ssomuchthatyoucanbedoing,andattackingthewholechecklistishardbutwetrytothinkofeasywaystodothings,likewehaveacategoryaboutair.Andsooneofthateasythingthatyoucandorightawayisbuyhouseplants,orRyanjustdiscovered$5HVACventfilters,andwealsohaveaniceairpurifier,too.SoImeanthere'salldifferentlevelsofairquality,andwe'rebuildingahouseoutinthemiddleofthewoodstoo.Sowe'regoingtohavethenextstepupor,Iguess,hopefullythisisthehigheststepupwherewe'regoingtohaveanairexchangeHVACsystem.Sobasicallywehaveaprettysmallbudgetonthehouse,butonthethingsthatwefeellikearegoingtomakethehousehealthier,that'swhereourwholebudgetisgoing.Ryan:Wherethemoneyisgoing.

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Teddy:Right.Sowe'reveryexcitedaboutthat.Andthenwehaveacategoryonwater.Andagain,whenwe'reliving...andthehousethatwe'rebuildingwillhavemoreofawholehomefiltrationsystem.Butinthemeantime,wehaveanROsystemunderneathoursinkwhichthenaddsminerals,andthosesystemsaren'tveryexpensive.Theysoundexpensivebutthey'rereally...youcangetaprettydecentoneforacoupleofhundreddollars,andshowerfiltersareonlybetween,like,$50to$70and...Ryan:Soourfiltersarebigonethat,Ithink,goesunnoticedornotrecognizedalot,butImeanevenifyou're,youknow,yougotareallynicewaterfilterthatyou'redrinkingoutof,yourskinis...youknow,itdetoxifiesbutitalsoabsorbsstuffaswell.Andifyou'reinanicehotshowerandyourporesareopenniceandwide,that'schlorineandfluoride,and,youknow,Godknowswhatelseisintheregulartapwaterthat'sgoingrightintoyou,andyou'reactuallyinhalingthatwateraswell.Whenyouseethesteamfromahotshowerthat's,youknow,you'rebreathingthatin,soyoucouldverywellbebreathinginchlorinegas,whichIdon'tthinksoundslikeagoodideatoanybody.Teddy:Yeah.AndwehaveEMFstoowhich,Ithink,nowaregettingmoreattention,theattentionthattheydeserve,whichisreallygood,electromagneticfrequentfields.Andsobasicallythisissomethingthat'sputofffromyourWiFirouters,smartmeters,evenyourcellphones,andthere'salotofthingsthatyoucandotoreduceyourexposuretothisradiation,whichhasbeenlinkedtocancer.AndactuallyinFrancethey'vedoneawaywithWiFiintheschoolsforchildrenbecausetheyknowthis.SohereintheU.S.,we'rereallyfarbehind,butinourhome,we'vehardwiredourinternet.Wedon'thaveasmartmeter.We'rerentingthehousethatwe'reinnow.We'verenteditforthelastthreeyears,butweactuallypickeditwithasmartmeterinourhandandwewentthrough...Ryan:We've…..Teddy:Ornotasmartmeter.Sorry,what'sitcalled?Ryan:Electrosmogmeter...Teddy:Right.Ryan:...Iguesswouldbethekindoftheslangforit.Teddy:TopickupEMFs.Ryan:ItmeasuresEMFs.Teddy:AndEMFmeters,right.Sowelookedkindofcrazygoingfromhometohome,butwefinallyfoundonethatdidn'thaveareading.Andsowhenwemovedintoit,wewereabletokeepitthatwaybyjustmakingdecisionslikehardwiringandkeepingourphonesonairplanemode.Wedon'tletourkidsplaywithtabletsorphonesand...Ryan:Andwekeepthephoneslike,youknow,atsomecornerofthehousealotoftimes.Teddy:Right.Andwedon'tsleepwiththemnexttoourhead,whichIthinkalotofpeople,IknowwhenIwas

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ateenagerorIdidevenincollege,soIdon'tthinkpeoplerealizetheharminthat.Soyeah,likeIsaid,ourlistishuge,andit'ssomethingthatwefeelreallystronglyabout,andthere'ssomanyeasythingstodoonit.Sowejustliketogetthattopeoplerightawayonoursite.Katie:Yeah,I'llmakesuretoincludethelinkssopeoplecanfindthatandtosignupforyouremailsandgetthat.

Thispodcastisbroughttoyoubymyobuddy.Thisthingisoneofmydailygo-to’sforrelaxationbecauseitcombinesthebenefitsofinfraredheat,percussivemassageandvibrationaltherapyforwhatIcanonlydescribeasamixtureofdeeptissuemassageandmyofascialreleaseallinonedevice.IthasreallyreducedmymuscletensionandmyneedformassageandmanypeoplewithconditionslikeMS,chronicfatigue,etcareusingthisformusclerelief.Also,manyathletesuseitforfasterrecovery.Ipersonallyfindthebiggestbenefitforrelaxationandforfasciawork,butyoucantryitoutatwellnessmama.com/go/myobuddyandmakesuretochecktheshownotesforaspecialdiscount.

ThisepisodeisbroughtyoutobyJoovvredlighttherapy,whichhasbecomeanintegralpartofmydailyroutineandhere’swhy.JoovvhasredlightswithspecificwavelengthsofredlightthatincreaseATP,whichisAdenosineTriphosphateProduction,inthebodybysupportingthemitochondria.NowsinceATPisresponsiblefornotjustyourenergythatyoufeel,butprettymucheverythingthathappensinyourbody,thisisabigdeal.Thistherapyisalsoknownasphotobiomodulationandithaswelldocumentedbenefitsforskinhealth,forenergylevels,forrecoveryafterinjuryorsurgery,forimprovingthyroidhealth(whichiswhatI’musingitfor),andevenasananti-agingdevicebecauseitincreasescollagenproductionandhairgrowthandreduceshairloss.Solotsofcoolbenefits.Youcancheckitout,theonethatIuse,atwellnessmama.com/go/joovv.Youcanalsocheckouttheshownotesformoreinformation.

Katie:You'rerightabouttheEMFs.Ireallybelievedthatthisisgonnabethenextwaveofresearchandwe'regonnastartfindingsomuchmore.EvenwhenIwasinSwitzerland,theyhavenaturalmedicineclinicsthereandtheyunderstandEMFtoxicitysomuchmorethanwedoandtheyevenhadwhattheycalledEMFrefugeesthere,peoplewhohadgottentothepointthattheywerehavinggrandmalseizuresfromEMFexposure,andsobasicallytheythentrytonavigatehowtorecoverfromthat.SoIthinkthisishugeandnottalkedaboutnearlyenough,andIlovethatyouguysareraisingawarenessaswell.Andthephonething,Ithink,ishugebecausethat'stheonepartthatalmostnobodyiswillingtopartwiththeirphone,butatleastatnightlikeputitonairplanemodeandthenyou'rereducinghalfofyourexposurerightthere.AndalsofromtheexpertsI'vetalkedto,it'sthedosemakesthepoison,andthefurtherawayyouarefromitthesaferitis,obviously.Soevenifit'sinthecornerofthehouseandlike10feetwayfromyou,that'ssomuchsaferthaninyourpocket.SoIthinkeventhoselittlethingsmakeahugedifferenceovertime.Ryan:Yeah.Andjustonthefrequencynote,it'skindofacloselyrelatedtangenttohavealight,ingeneral,isanotherthingwe'regettingprettybigintolately,andnotbeingexposedtoblue,youknow,awhitelightbulbisbluelightfrequenciesand...Teddy:Well,evenyourdeviceslikeyourphoneatnight.Ryan:Yeah,butwhenyouthinkaboutit,Imeanwe'remadetoonlybetakinginlightwhenthesungoesdownor,excuseme,whenthesunisupbutnowwehavethisartificiallylitenvironments24hoursadaypretty

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muchfromtheminutewewakeuptotheminutewegotobed.Andthere'salotofresearchfromthat,one,throwingyourcircadianrhythmintermsofjusthowgoodofasleepyouget,hormoneproduction,especiallymelatonin,whichis,youknow,happenstobeveryanticancer.Andifyou'regettingthat,ifyou'regettingthatcompletely,youknow,outofwhackthenthat'sahuge,youknow,cancerprotectant,naturalcancer,yeah,cancer-producing...cancer-protectinghormoneinsideyourbodythatyou'rejustcompletelymissingouton.And,youknow,the...whatamIlookingfor?Mitochondria,againbackto,youknow,whatyouneedtobeveryanti-cancer.Whenyougetthatlight,whenyougetexposedtothatlight,whenyou'renotsupposedto,it'sabadthing.Soweactuallyhaveredlightbulbsthatweusewhenthesungoesdown.Theredlightscomeonand,youknow,welookcrazytotheneighborsbutwe...Teddy:Andourspecialglassestoo,becausewe'realwaysuplateafterthekidsgotobedjustgetting,youknow,ourarticlesandpodcastup.Sowehavethespecialorangeglassesthatmakeusfeelreallycool,too.Butthekids,theycan'twearthem,andthat'swhywedidtheredlightsaroundthehouse.Katie:Yeah,I'mrighttherewithyouwiththe...wehaveliketheorangelightsinthelampsatourhouse,andsotheoverheadlightsarelikebrightdaylightspectrums,andthosegooffatsunset,andthenwejustturnonthelampswhicharewiththeorangehuesonlyandIweartheblueblockerstoo.Theyactuallydohavesomekidsblueblockersnow.Icanputalinkintheshownotes,butit'shardtogetkidstoactuallywearthembecausekidsdon'tliketobestill,buttheydomakethemnow.Teddy:Yeah.Ryan:Yeah.Well,ourkidsdon'tgetalotofscreentimejustformanyreasons.Sothat'snotahardthingforusbut...Teddy:Butwehavethesamesetupasyou.Ryan:Yeah,thelamps,it'sfunny,that'slikeRyder'sjobnowisto...hegoesaroundand...Teddy:Justturnsonallthelamps.Ryan:Heknowswhenit'stimetoturnonthelampsandturnofftheoverheadlights.Yeah,it'sfunny,it'sexactlywhatwedo.Teddy:Andit'ssuchaneasywaytodoit.Imeanit'slikethatwayyouhaveeverythingjustreadytogo.You'renotswitchinglightbulbsand,youknow,yougetthelightthatyouneedduringthatdayandatnightyou'vegotyourlampsalreadytogo.Sothat'sbeentheeasiestwaythatwefoundtoo.Katie:Yeah,andit'sfunnylikepeople,Ithinkit'seasytothinklike,"Oh,it'sjustlight.Itdoesn'tmakethatbigofadifference,"butI'mguessingyouguysprobablyhadasimilarexperience.Itreallydoesmakeaprettydrasticdifferenceinhowthekidssleep,andthenalsohowlikeIgettiredearlieratnightandsleepbetterwhenIdoit.AndifIforgetorifI'mataneventandthere'sthisfluorescentlighting,Ireallydonoticeabigdifferencefromit.Ryan:Yeah.Andit'sfunnylikeeven,youknow,ifyou'reinyourhousewhenyouhavealltheredlightsonand

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everythingandyou'rejustfeelingniceandcalmandthen,Idon'tknow,youopenthefridgeorsomethingwithoutyourblueblockersonandit'slike,"Ah,"youknow,youcan...that'swhenyoucanreallytellyou'renotsupposedtobegettingthatstuff,iswhenyoudogetawayfromitthat,yeah,itmakesabigdifference.Katie:Yeah,andIthinktheflipsidetoowithhavingthebrightlightsoninthehouse,butevenmoreimportantlyandIknowyouguysarehugeonoutdoortime,isgettingthekidsoutsideinthebrightlightduringthedaybecausethat'ssocriticalforthesignalingandthecircadianrhythmsandgettingthemelatoninproductiontogoupwhenthelightsgoout.Youhavetohaveitrightduringtheday.That'sbeenhuge.I'mlikeI'mverybigonmykidsarebeingoutsideasmuchaspossibleduringthedaybecauseitreallydoesmakeadifferenceintheirsleep.Teddy:Yeah,exactly.Andwe...it'sfunny,youknow,sowithparentsthatweworkwithgoingthroughcancerandwhatwedidwaswestart...wemadeascheduleforourselveswith...becausewe'retryingtogetallthesedifferentsupplementsandjuicesanddetoxificationmeasuresandinfraredsaunaandsoonandsoforth,andit'shardtoremember,youknow,togetallofthatstuffineverydayand,youknow,nailyourprotocoldayinanddayout.Andso,westartedlikewritingoutactualkindofminutebyminuteorIguessmorelike15orhalfhourminuteincrementswithallthesupplementsandstufflikethat,butthenwestartedaddingon,gettingoutdoors,getting...andweliterallywouldhaveoutsidetimekindofbakedintoourprotocolandpositivethoughtsandaffirmationsanddeepbreaths.AndsonowRyder...Teddy:Andonthegettingoutsidenote,weactuallyfoundaninterestingJapanesestudyofforestbathingraisingthe...whatwasit,thekiller...Ryan:Natural...Teddy:...naturalkillercellsforcancer.Soit'sanextremelyanticancerthingtoojusttogetoutside,andit'sgoodforyouandyou'rebreathingtheairandyou'reexercising.Soyeah,we'rehugeongettingoutsideeverysingleday.Katie:Ithinkthat'ssuchanimportantpointthatyouguysjustbroughtuptoo,aboutbalancingitall,andhowyouevenmentionedearlierthatliketherearedayswherehedoesn'twanttodoallthesestuffandyoujustdowhatyoucan.BecauseIknowpeopleespeciallystartingoff,that'sacommonfeeling,isthatthere'ssomuchtodo,it'sahugeechobattle,you'resupposedtomakeallthesechangesovernight.Andcertainly,inacancerdiagnosisyoudo,youmakethosechangesovernight,andyoudowhatyouhavetodo,butIthinkpeoplewhoarejusttryingtoslipintopreventionandtomakingsuretheirkidsarehealthyoverthelongterm,it'sokaythattoaddthingsasitworksandto,youknow,adaptyourlifestyleinasustainableway.AndIthinkthat'sagoodbalancepoint,istodowhatyoucanandtomakethesechangesthatlastanditstickwithouttryingtooverwhelmyourselfanddoitallinaweek,andthenburnoutintwoweeks,youknow.SoIthinkthat'sagreatthingthatyouguystalkaboutsomuchonyoursiteaswell.Teddy:Yeah,exactly.AndIthinkjusthavingtherightperspectiveandjustnotlookingatitlikewhatIcan'tdo,butit'sjustforusthishasbeensoempowering.Becausethere'snothingmoredisempoweringasbeingaparentandyourchildisdiagnosedwithalife-threateningdiseasethat,youknow,isliterallythreateningtotakethemawayfromyouandyoufeellikeyoucan'tdoanything.Andthen,youknow,allofasuddenyourealized,"Wow,there'ssomuchthatIcandoandIseethedifference,andheisthrivingandhe'sradiatinghealth,"youknow.Andforusthat'sbeenjustperspectivehasjustbeenhugeforus,andwetrytojusttell

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peoplethatreallyyourperspectiveissoimportantineverythingthatyoudo.Andevenyourkidsfeelingthatoffofyouandtheirwillingnesstodoitwithyouhappilyversusfeelinglike,youknow,you'retakingawayfunthingsfromthem,butyou'reactuallylikegivingthemfunthings.Because,Imeanthisisn't,youknow,it'snotmeanttobeapunishment,it'smeanttobethegreatestgiftthatwecangivethemasparents.Ryan:Yeah,Imeanit's,one,yeah,it'snot...Idon'tthinkit'sanaccidentthatRyderwasalwaysthebestlookingkidintheoncologyward,youknow,hedid...Teddy:AndRyandoesn'tmeanlikewhat'smy...Ryan:Thehandsomeboy,yeah.Teddy:Althoughwe'rebias,sowealways……Ryan:Yes,heisprettycute.Butyeah,noit'sjust...Idon'tknow,emphasizingthatmindsetthingiswealwaystrytohammerin.It'snot,youknow,you'renotdeprivingyourkidofthethings,thatyou'reprovidingforyourkidahealthylife.Teddy:Yeah.Becausewealwayshearlike,youknow,parentsfeelbadiftheycan'tgivetheirkidslikeMcDonaldsasareward.Like,"Well,I'mtakingthatawayfromthem,likethey'regoingthroughthistreatmentandtheyfeelterribleallthetimeandIjustwanttobeabletodosomethingniceforthem,andthat'swhattheylove."But,ifyoujustcankindofbroadenyourgazeintothefutureandjustrealizethatmaybeyoujustthoughtinitialfeelinggoodofgetting,forthesakeoftheexample,justthisfast-foodandthen...butjustknowingwhatthat'sactuallydoingtothemlateron,andthatthey'regoingtofeelcrappierforit.Soyou'rereallynotpunishingthemliketakingthingsawayfromthem.You'reactuallylikegiftingthem,youknow,feelingbetterinthelongrun.Andwe'refindingsomanyhealthytreatstoothatourkidslove.Like,ourkidsarenotdeprivedfromlikeatastestandpoint.Theyarehugefoodies,eatareallyfrighteningamount,buttheylikehavealotofhealthyoptions.Katie:Yeah,Ithinkthatwhatyoujustsaidiskeytoeveryoneandeveryaspectoflife,isthatwhenitcomestohealth,you'renoteverdepriving,it'snever...AndIthinkthatmindsetifwecanonlydoonething,ifwecanteachourkidsthatmindset,thatwillservethemsowellinlife.AndIthinkyou'rerightthat...Imeanculturetendstotellustorewardkidswithfast-foodorwithsugarorwithtreats,buthealthyfoodtastesgreattoo,andhealthinandofitselfisareward.AndIthinklikeyouguyshavedone,teachingthatatsuchayoungage,becauseyouhadtoandnowyoudoitbecauseyoucanandyouwanttoo,andIthinkthat'sanincrediblegifttogivethem.Andwhatalwaysstruckmeonyoursiteisyouhaveallthesevideosthatexplainallthedifferentthingsthatyou'vedone,andhe'ssohappy,Ryderissohappyinallthesevideos.You'recertainlynotlikeforcinghimtodrybrushorforcinghimtoreboundorallthesethings.He'slikesuperexcitedaboutitandhe'slikeabuddingTVpersonalityhimself,he'samazing.SoIthinkthataloneisagreatencouragementforallparentstojustletthekidsownit,letthembepartofit,andteachthewhy,anddon'tfeellikeyou'redeprivingthem.AndIthinkthat'sahugepoint,it'sjustthatalone.Ifyourmindsetisthat,they'regonnafeedoffofhowyoufeelandyourinteractionandthey'regonnalearnthosehealthyhabitsfortheirwholelife.Ryan:Yeah,andthat'stheotherthingis,youknow,youhavetobelieveitandyouhavetobepracticingitforyourself,youknow.Ifyou'reinafast-foodandthentryingtogetyourkidtoeathealthy,eveniflike...eveniftheydon'tseeyoueatingit,it'sjustgonnacomeoff.

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Teddy:Yeah.Ryan:Like,youknow,they'renotdumb.Theyhavetobeseeingtodothesamethingsthatyou'retryingtogetthemtodo.Katie:Yeah,forsure.SoIwanttorespectyourguys'time,butI'dloveforyoutokindofendwithanyadvicethatyou'dhaveforsomeoneespeciallyaparentwhohasachildwho'sstrugglingwithcancerrightnow,butalsojustanywordsofencouragementyouwouldhavetoanyparentwho'sgoingthroughevenaminorstrugglewithkids,whetherit'sjustnotwantingtoeathealthyfoodorwhateveritmaybe,becauseyouguyshavenavigatedthissuccessfully,andIthinkyou'resuchaninspirationthere.Teddy:Forus,thebiggestthingsarejustkeepgoing,andthatthere'salwayssomethingnewtotry,andhavingthatmindsetandjustknowingthatthere'salwayssomethingelsethatyoucantryisveryempowering.Because,ifonethingdoesn'tseemlikeit'sworking,especiallywithcancer,ifyou'renotseeingtheresultsthatyouwant,there'sstill...there'ssomuchmorethatyoucanalwaystapinto.Andattheendofthedayitjustcomesdowntojustnotgivingup,justkeepgoingnomatterwhat.Ryan:Yeah,andontheflipsideofthatI'dsay,youknow,don'tbeafraidtojust...toimplementsomethinganddon'tbeatyourselfupandfeellikeyouhavetohaveitallfiguredoutandyouhavetolikeunderstandthesignsbehindeverythingandjusthavetheultimateprotocolmappedoutandcompletelyjustnotknockeditoutoftheparkdayone.Imeanattheendoftheday,Iguesstheapproachwealwaystookwas,iftheoncologistsaren'tscaredtopumpabigbagofpoisonintooursontosaveourlives,we'renotgonnabescaredofmaybehimgettingacouple...toomanyvitaminsand….Teddy:Ortoomuchcarrotjuice.Ryan:Yeah.Teddy:Thathemightturnorangebut...Ryan:Hedidturnorangeactually.Teddy:Hedid.Hewasveryorangeforactuallyalmosttwoyearsbut...Ryan:But,yeah,it's,youknow,ontheonehand,there'salwayssomethingnewtotry,andontheotherhandit'sdon'tbescaredtojustjumpinandstartgoingatit.Teddy:Becausethereis,toRyan'spoint,Imeanthere'ssomuchfearmongeringgoingon.AndespeciallyI'mnotentirelysurewhybut,youknow,ifconventionalmedicinedoesn'tknowabouttheefficacyofsomething,they'lltypicallyjusttellyounottodoitandinputfearintoyou.Soweworkwithalotofparentsthatarescaredtogivetheirkidsjuicethattheymake,andwehavetolikereallykindofsitthemdownandsay,"Hey,like,you'renotscaredofchemotherapyandthe,youknow,the50otherprescriptionsthataregoingtocomewiththat."Like,"Pleasedon'tbescaredofgivingyourkidstoomanyfruitsandvegetables."Katie:Yeah,exactly,that'sagreatpoint.AndI'dloveforyouguystoalsoleteveryoneknowwheretheycan

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findyouonline.And,ofcourse,I'llhavelinksontheshownotesatwellnessmama.fmbutletpeopleknowwheretheycanfindyou.Especiallyifthey'rejustlisteningandcan'tclickontheshownotes,wherecantheylearnmoreaboutyourjourneyandfindyouguys?Ryan:Yeah,mykidcurescancer.comisthehomebaseandthenmykidcurescancer.com/healthy-homeiswhereyoucangetthatchecklist,butIthinkyoucanjustgetitonthemainwebsitethere,too.Teddy:Andwealsohaveapodcast.Ryandoesapodcasthimself.YoucangetitoniTunesandStitcher.We'reonFacebook,MyKidCuresCancer.WejuststartedanInstagram,whichisalotoffun,sothat'smoreofthedaytodaystuffthatwe'redoing,andwe'realsopostingpicturesofourhomegettingbuilttoandkindofwe'renotatthepointyetoflikeshowingthesuperhealthythingsthatwe'redoing,butwe'reclose,Ithink,inthenextweekorso,and...Ryan:YoumentionedYouTube?Teddy:AndYouTube,ohyeah.Ryan:Yeah,YouTubeislike,yeah.We're,youknow,youcanfindallthevideosofRyderandourdaughterChanningdoingallthesehealthystuffandit'swherewepostthepodcasttoo.AndthepodcastisMyKidCuresCanceraswellandthat's...Imeanthepodcastisnotspecifictochildhoodcancer,it'sI'mjustinterviewingallofthesevarious,youknow,healthexpertsnaturopathiconcologists,naturopathicdoctors,clinicowners,justonthevariouswaystogoaboutreversingcancer.Katie:Thankyouguyssomuch.Thishasbeenveryinformativeandsuperinspiring,andallthoselinksagainwillbeintheshownotessothatpeoplecanfindthemandfindyou.Butthankyousomuchforyourtimeandbeinghereandforalltheworkyou'redoingnotjustforkidsbutforeverybody.Teddy:Thankyousomuchforhavingus,Katie.Ryan:Reallygoodtotalktoyou,Katie.Thanks.Katie:Youguystoo,andthankstoallofyouforlistening,andI'llseeyounexttimeon"TheHealthyMomsPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.