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Episode170:UsingBiologicalMedicine&UncommonTherapiestoHelpwithChronic
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Katie:Helloandwelcometo"TheHealthyMoms"podcast.I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com,andIamheretodaytotalkaboutbiologicalmedicineandmanyaspectsofthatwithDr.JeoffDrobotwhoisoneofthefoundersandmedicaldirectorsoftheAmericanCenterforBiologicalMedicineinScottsdale,Arizona.ItisthelargestandmostcomprehensiveinNorthAmericaandaplacethatIwannagoonvacation,personally.Itlooksawesome.Jeoffhasspentthelast20yearslearningfromthebestandseekingoutcuttingedgescienceandtechnologytoassessandamplifyhumanbiologyandphysiology.Heworkscloselywithamateurandprofessionalathletesaswellasorganizationsandcompaniesinterestedinpeakperformanceandlongevity.He'sconsideredaleadingauthorityintheworldinbiologicalmedicineaswellasinchronicandautoimmuneconditionsandtreatments,detoxification,hormonalimbalanceandcorrection,andevencustomizedsportsmedicineandnutrition.So,obviouslyhe'sawealthofknowledge.AndDr.Drobot,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.Jeoff:Thanksforhavingme.Katie:Well,likeIsaid,Ithinkthisisgoingtobeaninformation-packedepisode,becauseyourknowledgeissovast,butIthinktostart,itwouldbehelpfulifyoucouldexplainthedifferencebetweenbiologicalmedicineandfunctionalmedicine,becauseIfeellikethosetermscansometimesgetinterchanged,andthere'snotalotofknowledgeaboutthedifferences.Jeoff:Right.Sothere'ssystemsofmedicineandeverymedicine,oreverymedicalsystemisbasedonsomekindofpremise.Andhowitallstartedwaswesaidallopathicmedicine,they'reallsupposedtobebasedonanatomyandphysiology,andthenwekindofgotintosomebiochemistryandpharmacologyintheend.Sowekindofgroupthesesystems,orthesewe'llsayfamiliesofmedicine.Wesaid,"Hereiswhatallopathic
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medicineis,andthenfunctionalmedicine."BiologicalmedicinewaskindofplayingaroundinEuropeforalongperiodoftime.Ofcourse,everybodyknowsChinesemedicinetoothathasitsoriginsinAsia.Andso,webroughtfunctionalmedicineasawaytodoallopathicmedicine,butalsodomostlybiochemistry.AndIthinkthatwasthebigdifferencebetweenwhatfunctionalmedicineandbiologicalmedicineis,isfunctionalmedicineisalotofgreatstuff,butmostlylabtestsbasedonbiochemistryandbiologicalmedicineandhasallofthat.Soitdoesalotofthefunctionalmedicinestuff,orhasthatincorporated,butalsoincorporatesphysicsinit.Sothere'shomeopathy,there'sabunchofmachineryandtechnologythat'snotjustbasedonlabworkandnutritionalsupplementation.There'salotofmachinerythat'sinvolvedinbiologicalmedicine.ButIthinkanotheroneofthebigtenetsofbiologicalmedicineendsupbeingfromtopdown.Andthatwasoneofthethingsthatkindof,Isay,attractedmetoit,wasitalsohadadentistrycomponentinthat,orittookthewholeheadineffect.Normallyinmedicine,wegoneckdown,that'swhywekindoflookatit,andweleavetherestfordentistsandneurologists,andbiologicalmedicinesaid,"Hey,everysingleoneoftheseteethisconnectedtoanacupuncturemeridian,whichisbasicallyitsownorgan.Sowhatyouputinyourmouth,whetherit'sdentalmaterialorrootcanalsactuallyhasanimpactontherestofthebody.Andso,thatkindofwasinterestingtomeasIwasgoingthroughlookingatsomeoftheassessmentsandtheywouldshowyouthat,youknow,andweknewbackfromtheolddaysthat80%ofchronicinfectionsendedupinthehead.Wejustdidn'taddressitinmedicine.Andso,Iguessthatwouldbethebiggestdifferentiationbetweenbiologicalmedicineandfunctionalmedicineisthephysicsandthefactthatwedolookatdentistryalotinbiologicalmedicine.Butfunctionalmedicineiswonderful,anditdoesincorporateawholebunchofthingsthat,ofcourse,aredirelyneededintoday'schronicdisease-infestedworld.Katie:Yeah,absolutely.Ithinkmaybemorepeoplearefamiliarwith,orhaveatleastheardthetermbiologicaldentistry.So,that'sagoodsegueintobiologicalmedicine.Butyoumentionedchronicdiseaseacoupletimes.AndIthinkalotoflistenerspotentiallyhavethat,orhavestruggledwiththat.IpersonallyhaveHashimoto'sandthat'sbeenmyjourney.ButI'dlovetogetyourtakeonwhydoyouthinkwe'reseeingsuchariseinchronicdiseaseintoday'stimes?Jeoff:Ithinkthattheenvironmenthasgottenchronicallyworsethanitusedtobe.Evolutioniskindofslowforhumansinthesensethatwedon'thave...everythingissupposedtobesetandwe'resupposedtogothroughthisprocessofevolutionwherethere'ssomethingthathappensintheenvironment.Wegetacoupleofgenerationstoadapttothatenvironment,andwe,justintheindustrialrevolution,justexperimentedandputawholebunchofmanmadechemicalsintoabiologicalsystemthatwasnotusedtoit,didnotknowaboutit,andconfusedalotofthebiologicalprocessesthatnormallyoccurinthebody.Sowecouldprobablyblame80%,90%ofcancersdefinitelyontheenvironment.Wecouldprobablyblame,jeesh,98%ofautoimmunediseaseontheenvironment.And,Imean,chronicdiseasekindofisavariationofthosetwo.It'slike,howlongcanthebodydoitsnormalnaturalprocessesbeforesomething,kindof,preoccupiesitorsomethinginterfereswiththat,andithastodosomethingdifferenttotrytogetridofsomething.Theproblemis,wedon'treallyhave,let'ssaytheenzymesystemsandallthemachinerytogetridofmercurywhenit'sjustleakinginourmouthorgetridofplastics.So,it'snotthateverythingisterribleandwe'redoomed,it'sjustthingsbecomebusy.Andinthegoodolddays,itwaslikeyoujusthadtoworryaboutapieceofbroccoli.Andnow,you'vegottaworryabout15differentchemicalsthatwekindofmadethatstayinconnectivetissueforalongtimeandjustconstantlyoccupyanimmunesystemthatusedtobeabletojust
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dealwiththingsdaily.Andnowthesethingshavehalf-livesoflike100years.Sotheydon'tgetout,forexample,likemercuryandleadorcadmium.Theydon'tgetoutunlesswegoandchelatethemout.Sotheycanjustsitthereforever,andwebio-accumulatethesethings,andweknowthatit'snotlikeoneequalsone.It'slikeyougotacoupleofmetalsandthenthat'slike1plus1equals10.So,ourbodiesareconstantlyhavingtodealwithexogenousthings,andthatleavessomeoftheendogenousproductstobeleftontheshelf,andwejustnevergetaroundtoit.Katie:Thatmakessense.Whataresomeoftheconditionsyouguysareseeingthemostinyourclinicrightnow?BecauseIknowfromthestatsprettymuchalloftheseconditionsareontherise.So,I'msureyou'reseeingallofthem.Butarethereanytrendsyou'reseeingasfarasconditionsthatappearmoreoften?Jeoff:Well,lotsofendocrinedisruptors,Hashimoto.Soalotofautoimmunedisease,infertility,ofcourse,ismassive,obesity,justagainfromendocrinedisruptors,isup.Andhourcliniciskindofaspecialtyfly-inclinic,soI'musuallyeverybody's300doctors.SoIgettoseethemostcomplicated,thecomplicated,justbecausewemighthavemoretoolsandmoreteststhatgiveusmoreinformationandwehaveawholebunchoftherapies.ButIdefinitely,inmylast10years,youseeatonofautoimmunediseasestartingtocomeup,andyouseeatonofendocrinedisruptorsbothinmalesandfemales,andwhichareaffectingthyroidsandanabolichormones.Butthosearesensitiveglands.Immunesystems,neurologicalconditionsarestartingtocomebackup.SoweseelotsofAlzheimer's.Butthenervoussystemisprettyslowsothingscanaccumulateinthatprolongedperiodoftime.Troublewiththenervoussystemisalsoslowtotreat.So,bythetimethatkindofsetsin,it'shardertotreatthanautoimmunediseases,whichactually,youknow,whenyoukindoflearnwhat'scausingitandhowtodealwithit,itisn'toverlyimpossibletotreat,it'sjustaprocess.Katie:Yeah.Iwouldlovetodelveintothatmorebecause,likeIsaid,Ithinkthat'sahugepainpointforalotofpeoplewhoarelistening.AndIthinkyouguyshaveareallyuniqueapproachthatseemstobereallysuccessful.So,kindof,let'sstartatthebeginning.Ifsomeonecomesintomeetwithyou,whataresomeofthediagnosticproceduresandteststhatyoutakethemthrough?Jeoff:Sowestillliketosee,Iliketosee,alltheallopathiclabs.Sobloodworkisstillimportant.Ijustdon'tthinkwedocomprehensiveenoughbloodwork.Wehavetorememberthatbloodworkisonlyonetimeofdayatoneperiodofamonth.SoI'dliketoseecomprehensivebloodwork.SoalltheCBCs,chempanels,alltheendocrinehormones,freeT3s,allthethyroidpanels,andalltheinflammatorymarkers.Wehavesomeviraltiters.Andthen,wenormallydostoolcultures,because80%oftheimmunesystemendsupinthedigestivetrack,micronutrientpanels,and24-hourhormoneassessments.That'susuallywhatwegetwhentheycomein.Andtheninsideourclinicwehavethreedifferentkindsofheartratevariability.WehaveEEGbrainneuroscansthatwedo.Wedoawholebunchofassessmentsonthelymphaticsystemsandconnectivetissues,fullbodythermographies.Sowegettoget...Iliketolookunderthehood,andIliketohavethemosttoolstolookunderthehood,becauseI'mjustlookingforwheretheholesinthebucketare.And,youknow,Iusedtotrytogetintothebalancingallthebiochemistry,and1,1,1andbythetimetheyweredone,theywereon150supplements.Anditworkssometimes,butsupplementsaren'tmagicbeanseither.Sobythetimesomebodyisprettyindeepinchronicdisease,theycan'tabsorbalotofthingsandtheycan'tdetoxalotofthings,whichiswhyIkindofwenttotechnologyandsaidmaybethere'sfaster,betterwaystodoit.Buttheassessmentisreallylookingandseeingwhat'sworking,whatisn'tworking,andwhatorgansystemistheweakestoutofthose.
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Because,forexample,yourHashimoto's,we'llcallthatanimmunesystemcondition,butit'salsoaninnerconsistentcondition.It'salsoadigestivecondition.Sowehavetolookateverysingleoneofthosesystems,andwefindoutwhichsystemsaretheweakest,andthenI'mlazy,soI'lljustgowiththesystemthat'stheweakestandI'llgetthemostbangforthebuck.Katie:Gotcha.Soyou'vementionedtechnologyacoupletimes.AndIknowthatlikeme,you'reabigfanofusingtechnologytoimprovehealthwhenpossible.So,I'dlovetohearsomeoftheexamplesofhowyouaredoingthisin-office.Jeoff:So,normally,whensomebody...justtakechronicdisease,forexample.Again,Icomefromalonglineage.Mygradefivesciencefairprojectwasoncolorlightsandmuscletesting.Somymomwasanursingprofessor,andthisishowwekindofwereraisedtodealwithsupplementation,andtokindoflookatthese,youknow,innovativetechnologiesthatwouldcomeup.Andso,IjuststartedincorporatingwhenIwasinmedicalschoolinPortland,itwaslovelybecausePortlandiskindoflikeahubofalternativemedicine.Soeveryweekendsomebodywouldcomeinlikeacircustoutingtheirwares,soyougetaprettygoodlookattechnology.AndIwentovertoEuropeatonoftimesandwentovertoGermanyanddifferentplaces,andkindoffoundthebestthatwouldworkinNorthAmericaandbroughtitback.Andso,atthebase,we'rejusttryingtogetenergyinacellandstuffawayfromconnectivetissue.IfIcouldsaytwothingsaboutchronicdisease,itgetsthestuffoutandstarttogetmitochondriatoproduceenergy.Howeveryouwannadothat,ifyouaccomplishthosetwothings,thenbiologykindofwilltakecareofitself.Sointheclinic,wedocolonicsandwedoallthat,butwealsodotonsofhighaltitudeoxygentraining.Wehavelasers.Wedotonsofpulsedelectromagneticfields,becausewe'rejusttryingtogetenergyproducedinthecell.Soweneedoxygen,thyroidhormone,glucoseandsomeelectrons.Sotheoxygenwilldobloodozonetherapy,orhighaltitudeoxygentherapies.Fortheelectronswe'lldotonsofthepulsedelectromagnetictherapies,aboutthreeorfourdifferentkinds.Andthen,togetthesestuffout,weendupdoingtonsofusinglymphaticmachines,soweuseSTAs,lymphstars,andcolonichydrotherapy,andlotsofvisceralmanipulation.So,Imean,there'sprobably25differentmachinesthatweendupusing,buttheyallgetbasedonwhatisthebiggestneedasfaraswhathappenswiththeassessment.Soit'sindividualizedmedicineatitsbestbecausewe'refindingoutwhatdoesn'twork.Andwe'regivingthepatientlotsofinformationbecauseyoudon'twannabeapatient.Ialwayssayyouwannabeaparticipantinyourhealthbeforeyoubecomeapatient,becauseapatient,bythattime,there'sthingsthatyouhavetodo,andyouwantedtoknowjustthingsthatyoushoulddo,sothatyouneverbecomeapatient.AndIthinkthat'swheretechnologyisabsolutelywonderfulthesedaysiseventhoughthatit'snotthatingrainedinmedicineyet,youcanfindoutalotofinformation10,15yearsbeforeyougetpathology,andyoucancertainlygetperformancealotbetterwhenyouknowhowyourcellsandhowyournutrientlevels,wherethey'reattoday.Insteadofjustgoingondietsandpracticingandtaking,likeIsaid,lotsofsupplements,kindofwannaknowwhatyou'redoing.Katie:Yeah,exactly.AndIthinkyou'resoright.Ithinkthat'swherethedifferentiationissoimportant,becausetheconventionalmedicineintheU.S.,ithasitsmanystrengths,certainly.AndlikeI'vealwayssaid,ifIwasgonnabe,forinstance,ifIwasgonnabeinacaraccidentandneededimmediatetraumacare,weareinanamazingplaceforthat.Andif,youknow,youbreakabone,we'reinagreatplaceforthatintheU.S.,buttheyhaven'tquiteadaptedtoachronicdiseasemodel.Andso,Ilovethatyouguysarelookingatitearly.AndIalsoalwayslovetosaythatnomatterwhowe'rehiring,doctorsespecially,they'rejustaconsultantinour
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health.AndIlovethatthebiologicalmodelseemstoreallylikeencouragepeopletotakeautonomyfortheirownhealthandtomakechangesandtobeacompletepartnerinthatprocessratherthanjust,kindof,outsourcingandexpecting,too,likethedoctortosay,"Justdothis,takethis,"andthat'sall.Youguysreallydotakeamuchmorecomprehensiveapproach,whichIlove.AndyoumentionedthePEMF,Ibelieve,inwhatyouwerejustspeakingabout.AndI'dloveifyoucoulddelveintothat,becausethathasbeenanareaofresearchformeinthelastcoupleofmonths.I'vebeenfascinatedbytheideasbehindit,andthedifferenttypesavailable.So,ifyoucould,formyownknowledge,justkindofgothroughthat,Iwouldlovethat.Jeoff:Yes.Sothere'stwo...Imean,attheendofthedaywe'rejusttryingtoproduceelectricity,right?Weallknowthatifwehavelotsofelectricitythen,andwegetthecellmembranepotentialacertainamount,Imean,itfunctionsprettywell.Sothingslikevitaminsarejustcatalyststogetthatelectricitywherethoseelectronscouldbeproduced.Sothebetteroptionistobasicallyusebatterychargers.Soweknowthatwecantakeatissuethat'sinflamed,orwecantakeatissuejusttogenerateit,anditdoesn'thavethesamecellpotentialasnormalcells.Forexample,cancercellshaveself-potentialofnegative40millivolts,whichisallkindofweirdtalk.Butnormalcellshavenegative70millivolts,sotheyhavealotmoreelectronsinthesystem.Andthat'swhereyoukindofheardthecrazeofalkalinediet,we'regonnadoallthisalkalization.Alkalinityisjustbasicallyaddingelectronstosomething.You'rejusttryingtogoaheadandputalltheselittleelectronsinthere,becausetheychargebatteries.That'swhyeverybodyknowsaboutanalkalinebattery.Andso,theyusefoodwithhighmineralcontentwithlotsofelectrons,andthatwouldchargeabatteryout.Well,alongtimeagophysicsalreadyfiguredthatoutandsaid,"IfIusedilutepulsedfields,Icanusethembecausethecellsarelikelittlebatterychargers.Icangoaheadandusefrequenciesandvoltage,andIcangoandincreasethevoltageinthecellmembrane,numberone,andthenfrequenciesalsobasicallytellthecellwhattodo.Sothingslikeourearth,whichlikeSchumannfrequenciesare7.8hertz.That'swhythingslikeelectromagneticfieldsandstufflikethataresodisruptive,becausethey'resonoisyforourcells,sonoisyforthenervoussystemthatwecan'tgetcellstocommunicatewitheachotherbecausethere'sallthisscreaminginthebackground.Pluswhenourbody'sdealingwithhertz,andwe'redealingwithgigahertzasfarastechnologyisconcerned,it'sabigdrainonourbattery.Sothedifferentkindsofpulsedelectromagneticfieldtherapy,somearepassive,whichmeansyoujustlaydownandthere'sacurrentthatyoucan'tevenfeel.Almostlikeearthing,youknow,thatmovementwhereyoujustkindoflayondirtandtheearth'smagneticfieldoflike9.8hertzjustkindoffillsyourbodyandittellsyourbodywhattodoagain.That'swhywhenpeoplegocampingtheycomebacksorefreshed,becausetheirbodyhaskindofhadthatlittlepulsethatit'seducateditselfonwhattodoagain.It'skindofrecalibratingitssystem,andwehaven'thadalotofnoise,orsayelectricalnoise,thathaskindofexhaustedus.Sothepassivematch,youlaythere,yousetafrequency,andthefrequencybasicallywilldodifferentthings,someareanti-inflammatory,somedealwithspecificorgansinthebody.Butweusesomeofthose,andthentheactivepulsedelectromagneticfieldsgiveoffacharge,whichiskindofsimilartoaTeslacoil.Andso,theyactuallyproduceelectrons,andit'saninterestingtherapytofeelbecauseitfeelsalittlebitlikeyou'reonacattlefence,butitdischargesactualvolts.Soyoutakeatissuethatneedssomeelectricityandyouputvoltsinit,andyouprettymuchjustbypassedalltheneedforsupplementation.Andthebodywillholdthosevoltsforacertainperiodoftime.So,forexample,ifsomebodycomestotheclinicandtheyhavesomekindofchronicdisease,whateverwe
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wannasay,orthey'rejustfatigued,orchronicfatigued,we'lldoalotofelectricalworkbecauseattheendoftheday,whenwegoaheadandmaketheircellmembranepotentialnormalandwhentheyhaveelectricity,theyjustfeelsbetter.Andthen,liversworkandkidneyswork.Andsure,wemightneedtolookatsomehormones,butyoumakeenoughcells,oryouturnenoughlightsoninthebody,andchargehappensagain.Sopulsedelectromagneticfieldtherapyisatremendouslybeneficialthingforanybodytodo.Thetechnologyjusthasn'tcometotheplaceyetwherewecanreallyhaveitthatit'sthataffordable.Katie:Yeah.I'mhopefulthatitwillbeinfutureyears.ButlikeIsaid,it'sbeenanareaoffascinationformerecently.Ireadthebook,"TheBodyElectric,"whichreallykindofdelvesinto...andIknowthatmanypeoplerealizeweareverymuchelectricalbeings.There'ssomuchgoingoninthebodyonthatlevel.Andso,Ithinkit'sfascinatingtohearyouandliketheperspectiveofbiologicalmedicineaddressinglikethatonthekindofphysicslevelversusalsochemistryandbiologyandhowtheyallinteracttogetherandhowthat'simportantforthewholepicture.Isthereadifferenceineffectivenessbetweentheactiveandthepassivethatyoumentioned?Orwhatwouldbesomecaseswhenyouwoulduseoneversustheother?Jeoff:Soforalltheproathletes,Imean,theylovethoseactivetherapiesbecauseit'sadefiniteregenerationofwe'llsayreplenishmentoftheelectronsthatyoumighthavelost.Thepassiveiskindofnicebecauseit'slikemicrocurrent.Youknow,microcurrentwillincreaseATP,whichislikeenergy,willincreaseitlikeathousandtimes.Youjustdon'tfeelit.Butit'sjustthispassivewaytokindoftellthebodytoproducesomething.AnactivePMFjustgoesaheadanddoesit.Now,thethingwithactivePMFisitcancauseadetoxreaction,becauseyourpulsingchargethroughthebodyandit'smovinglymphaticsthatneverusedtomovebefore.It'smovingtissuethatneverhadchargebefore.Soit'skindofturningsomelightson,butit'spushingsomestuffoutfirst.So,that'swhyweuseacombination.Ifeverybodydidjustdilutepulsedelectromagneticfieldtherapy,whichIthink,youknow,we'recreatingalittledevice,forexample,becausethetechnologyhasjustcomearoundsowonderfullythatyoucancreateinatinylittlespace,whereitdoesn'thavetobethesebigmatsthatproduceallthestuffanditdoesn'thavetobe$8,000.Itcanbe300bucks.Itjusttakesalittlewhileandtechnologytoproduceit.Soanybodythatsensitive,youkindofusepassivepulsedelectricomagneticfieldtherapyfirst.Andthen,onceyougetitintoaclinicalsettingoronceyougetintoaplacewhereyoucantoleratehavingthecharge,kindoflikewhenyouhavechronicdisease,youprobablycan'tgoaheadanddovigorousexerciseyet,eventhougheverybodywouldsay,"Hey,whydon'tyougoforajogaroundtheblock?"You'relike,"Hey,that'sprobablygonnaputmeinbedforfivedays."Sothere'sdifferentmodalitiesjustdependingonwhatthetolerancethatyouhaveforthatparticulartherapy.Becauseit'snotthetherapywe'relookingfor.It'sreallywhat'syourresponsetothattherapy?Canyourespondtothatwonderfultherapy?Andifyoucan't,theneventhoughtherapymighthavebeenbeneficial,yourbodyjustwasn'treadytorespondtothat.Katie:Gotit.Okay.Thatmakesperfectsense.AndI'mhopeful,likeyou,andthat'samazing,actually.Keepmeinthelooponthatlessexpensiveoption,becausethat'sdefinitelysomethingIcansharewithmylistenerswhenyougettothatpoint.I'mhopefulthataswelearnmoreaboutthis,thatthesearethingswecanalsoallincorporatejustintonormaleverydaylife,becauseit'seasytojustseethenegativesintechnology.ButifweincorporatedthesethingsoutjustlikewedoaWiFirouterintoahouse,forinstance,thatwewereallgettingtheseinapassiveway,Ifeellikewecouldreallymovetheneedleinsomeinterestingwaysaswelearnmoreandmoreaboutthesethings.AndanotherthingIknowthatIsawonyourwebsitewasozonetherapy.Andthat'soneI'veresearchedalittlebitaswell.ButI'dloveifyoucoulddelveintowhatozonetherapyis,andwhenit'sindicatedforuse.
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Jeoff:Soozonetherapy,wedosomethingcalledmajorautohemotherapyhere,whichistakingthebloodout,ozonatingit,andputtingitbackinthebody.SoozonetherapyisO3,andeverybodyknowsoxygenisO2,sowhatitdoesisitkindoffloodsthebodywithanextraoxygenradical.Andso,it'sviciouslyeffectivetokilloffchronicviralinfections,sochronicfatigue,itoxygenatestissues,anditalsodoesaprettygoodjobofdetoxing.It'smyfavoritetherapytopersonallyget,becauseIgetthemostbangformybuckoutofozonetherapybecauseitjustmakesyoufeelgood,itoxygenatestissues.Ialsolikehighaltitudetherapies,whichthat'sanicewaytodoit.Weusedtodoitwithhyperbaricoxygen,asyouknow.Butyouhavetositinthereforanhourandit's30treatments.Soit'salittleslower,butozone,likeIsaid,forchronicinfections,chronicdisease,isoneofthebestthings.Forcancer,it'soneofthebestthingsthatyoushoulddo.Andinotherpartsoftheworld,becauseit'ssocheap,it'sreadilydoneforchronicinfectionsandit'sabsolutelywonderful.Thetroubleis,likeIsaid,it'scheapandyoudon'thavetodoitthatmuch.Soit'snotsuchanannuityforthemedicalsystem,sowejustdon'tincorporateithere.Butifanybodyhasacoldorflu,orifanybodyhaschronicviralinfections,thentonotdoozoneisarealshame.Ijustthinkit'soneofthebesttherapiesthatprobablywe'veeverhadavailable.AndnowinNorthAmericawerestartingtodo10-passozone,whichistakingalotmoreblood,oxygenatingalotmoreblood,andwhenit'sinthetissuesthatoxygenhits...inthebloodstreamithitsthetissues,anditkillsoffalotofvirusesordeactivatesalotofviruses,anditalsocoupleswithalotoftoxicitytogoaheadandrenderitinertsothatitcanmoveoutofthetissue,plusitaddselectrons,likeIsaid,tocells.Soit'soneofthoseraretherapieswhereitreallyishardtodoharmwithit,anditisreallyhardnottofeelbetterfromit.Katie:Yeah.AndIfeellikeitgotkindofmaybeabadrapjustbyassociation,becausepeoplekindofassociatethewordozonewithlikeclimatechangeandenvironmentalproblems,andIthinkthat'sanimportantdistinctiontorealize.Likeithassomereallycoolbiologicaluseswhenusedcorrectly,correct?Jeoff:It's,kindoflikewhenwesayit'stheoldthingwithhormones,right?Wherewesay,"Well,hormonesarebad."It'slike,"No,syntheticbirthcontrolpillsarebad."Idon'tknowthatbiologicalhormonesreallydidanythingexceptwhattheyweresupposedto.It'shardtosayreproductivecancersarecausedbyestrogen.It'slike,nah,they'reprobablycausedbythingsthatlooklikeestrogen,butyouknow,ifwejustleftbiologicalmoleculesthesameandstopmakingthingsthatlooklikebiologicalmoleculesthenwe'dhavealotofdifferenteffectsandwe'dhaveprobablyalotbetterhealthsystemthanwehavenow.Soozonekindof,getsintothesamerapwherewehear,"Well,it'sozone,andtheozonelayer.Andifyoubreatheitit'saharmfultoxin."Andit'slike,"Yeah.That'strue.Butthere'salsoalotofbiologicaluseswhenyouputitinthere."Sowhereonethingis...it'slikefood,right?It'spoisonforoneperson,it'sacureforanotherperson,soitjustdependstheapplicationthatyouusewiththem.Katie:Yeah.Andhowtrueisthatforsomanythingsinlife?YouguysalsotalkaboutIVtherapyonyourwebsite.AndthisisanotherthingI'mfascinatedwith,andI'veneverbeenabletotryonthelong-termscale.ButIhavereadaboutitquiteabit,andforinstance,likealternativecancertreatmentsandusingvitaminCintravenouslyandthingslikethat.ButI'dloveifyoucouldgiveamorecomprehensivepictureofwhatIVtherapyisandwhenitcanbeusedandforwhat.Jeoff:Sure.So,again,someofthesub-populationsofpeoplethatwehaveafterwedotheassessment,thefirstthingtousuallybreakdowninchronicdisease,orwe'llsayeveninfatigue,isthedigestivesystem.Just
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becauseit'sthelargestorganinyourbody,youknow,yoursmallintestinesarethesizeofatenniscourt,yougotathousanddifferentkindsofbacteriainit,you'vegotsixpoundsofbacteriainit,andyouhaveabout80%ofyourimmunesystemthatresidesinthere.Sochronicstress,orchronictoxicity,orimmune,we'llsaybattlesorfoodsensitivities,theyusuallyeffectthatbiggestorganfirst.Andbecauseitwasthemostvitalorgan,yourbodyprotectsittotheend.Andonceitrunsoutofresourcesforthat,that'swhenyoureallystarttogetintotheimmunecompromizationand,youknow,fatigue.Andwejusthavetofindwaystobypassthatdigestivetractbecauseputtingoralsupplementationiniskindoflikeputtingfoodin.Wethenhavetorequirethatdigestivetracttohaveenoughpower,whichagain,iswhyweuseourelectricalmachines,becausethat'samassivemuscleonceitrunsoutofjuice.I'mnotbigintopatience,soIcan'twaitforit.SoIliketogoaheadandchargethosemusclesbackup.Butsupplementationororalsupplementationhastoworkthroughthatdigestivetract.Andwhenit'scompromised,wedon'tgetthesameeffectofforalsupplementationthatweshould.So,wehavetobypassthatdigestivetractandthat'swhywegotoIVtherapy.SoIVtherapyputsthosevitaminsandminerals,andofcoursewedoozonetoo,rightdirectlyintothecells,sowedon'treallyhavetogothroughthedigestivetrack.Sowedeliveramassiveamountofthenutrienttothecell,whichiswherewe'realltryingtogetit.Itdoesn'treallydothatmuchinthedigestivetractunlessit'sprobiotics.We'retryingtogetallthosevitaminsandmineralsandantioxidantsandallthegoodstufftothecellbecausethat'swherealltheactionis.Orwe'retryingtogetthestufftothecellsothatwecanpullsomeoftheotherstuffoutlikeelationtherapy.Sotodothesekindofthings,it'smuchmoreeffectivetobypassthatcompromiseddigestivetract,whichweallkindofhaveacompromiseddigestivetractbecausenobodyrotatesthefood,oreverybody'sdoingpaleothismonth,ketogenicnextmonth,andveganthenextmonth.Soitchangessomuchintheintegrityofthedigestivetracteventhoughit'sthefastestregeneratingtissuethatwehave,itreplacesitselfeverythreeweeks,getscompromised.SoIVtherapyisawaytobypassthat,putallthevitaminsandnutrientsrightintothecellwheretheyneedtoinaveryshortperiodoftime,andindosesthatthere'snowaywecouldorallyaccomplish.Katie:Thatmakesperfectsense.AndIwasn'tactuallygonnadelvetoodeepintonutrition,butsinceyousaidthat,Iwouldlovetogolikealittlebitonatangentwiththat,becausethat'smybackground.AndI'veseen,likeyou,alltheseverypolarizingdietary,kindof,groupsrecently.Andit'samazinghowdogmaticpeoplecangetaboutpaleoorketoorveganordifferentthings,whenIliketosay,forone,wehave95%incommon.Likemostofusagreethatyoushouldbeeatingseasonalplantsandchoosinglocalfoods.There'salotincommon.ButIalsohavebecomeincreasinglymoreconvincedthatpersonalizationanddietvariationaresomeofthebiggestkeys,andthatmaybewe'reactuallyallright.Maybeketoworksgreatforsomegenetictypesorguttypesorwhateverthatmaybe,anditdoesn'tworkforothers.Andmaybethekeytoallofitisaverypersonalizedapproach.ButI'mcurious,whatapproachdoyoutake?Jeoff:Soagain,thebackgroundinexercisephysiologysays...andnobody'stestedmore...beforecrossfitbecamecrossfit,Itestedamilliondifferent...thisiswhenpaleostartedtocomeontherise.Andso,wetestedabunchofpeoplethatwerejustdoingexclusiveproteindiets,orproteinizationdiets.Andyou'denduptoseeovertime,betweenthecombinationofproducingatonoflacticacidinthetissueandtakinginatonofaminoacidinthediet,youclogupthelymphaticsinaveryshortperiodandoftime.And,ofcourse,withfullbodythermographiesinsomeoftheassessments,weseeit.Sotherearesomepeoplewhereweneedtogoahead,becauseyourbodyaccumulatesthings,weallunderstandthis.Andso,we'relike,there'snowheredone...andIusedtostudythesekindofthings,andtherewasnowhereinhistorywherewejusteatabuffaloeverysingle
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day.Likewejustdidn'tdoit.Andthere'snodaywherewejusteatfatalldayforthenext12months.Organsystemsaren'tdesignedtobeabletoaccomplishthat.So,you’reright,we'reallhavingthesethingsincommonandit'sgoodtodoloadingdiets,andthenit'sgoodtodounloadingdietsatthesametime.Sotheperfectdietwouldbe,goaheadandfigureoutwhatyourfoodsensitivitiesare,becauseyou'rejusttryingtogetproteins,carbohydrates,fats,andsomevitaminsoutofthisstuff.Andthat'ssupposedtorotatetoo,whichagain,inthegoodolddays,wewouldn’thavefoodsensitivitiesbecausewewouldn'thavegeneticallymodifiedfood,andifweweresensitivetotomatoes,theywereonlythereforthreemonthsandtheyweregonefornine,soalltheantibodiesgotoutofthereinthatperiodoftimeandwecanreloadagain.So,yoursystemandyourconnectivetissueisdesignedtoloaduponsomething,andthenwe'resupposedtoutilizeit.Sowe'resupposedtoloadupwithinthespringandsummer,andthenwe'resupposedtorecycleitoutoftheconnectivetissueinthefallandwinter.Andso,wegetintoanissuewiththesedietswhenwejustsayI'mgonnapoundthisdogmainhereandI'mgonnaoverloadbecausetheconnectivetissueisallwe'vegot.Soit'sfunny,justrecently,youknow,evenmedicinesaid,"Hey,there'sthismassiveneworgancalledtheinterstitium."Andit'slike,"Well,everybodykindofknewthatalongtimeago."Thatwascalledconnectivetissue,whichjustmeansthere'salotofspacethatwestorethesethingsin.Now,thesedayswestorealotoftoxicityinthosespaces,whichkindofbaysthecellsandsuffocatesthecells.Butwealsostoredproteinsinthem.Sowhenweoverloadedwithprotein,weendupsuffocatingthecellsandtime.Andthat'swhenweflip,again,totheveganpartofit,whichisloadingandunloading.Soconstantlywithmychronicdiseasepeople,I'mlookingandseeing,whatdoestheirlymphaticsystemlooklike,andifI'vegottaunloadit,weallareveganforalittlebitbecausewedoknowproteindiets,whichwillhorrifysomepeople.Butagain,ifweputabunchofaminoacidsinthere,Ican'tgetthechargethatIwanttointheconnectivetissuebecauseIneednegativechargesandaminoacidsarepositivecharges.Soweusuallydeloadthechronicdiseasepersonforalittlebit,andthenwehavetobuildhormonesandtissuesagain.So,that'swhenwestartaddingproteinagain.Soit'sveryflexible,asyousaid,andit'sallbasedonwhereareweatnow?ButIthinktheperfectdietwouldobviouslybeifwedidn'thavetogotothegrocerystoreandreadbooks,andwejustkindofboughtwhatwasthere,we'dprobablywoulddoprettywellwithit.Whichmeanstherewillbesometimeswe'dhavelotsoffruitsandlotsofglucose.Andothertimeswe'dhavemoreprotein,andothertimeswewouldn'thavealotofanything,andweutilizewhatwe,kindof,squirreledawayforthewintertime.Andthatway,youknow,allthecellsandallthetissuekindofloadedatcertainpointsandtheyunloadedatcertainpoints.Andalltheimmunesystemsawonethingatacertainpoint,andsawsomethingdifferentatadifferentpoint.Sodietsarelikereligionsforpeople.Theygetreallytieduponit.Buttheproofofthepuddingis,Imean,wehavetechnologythatcantellyouwhetheryourwhitebloodcellsarereactingtoafoodornot.Soifit'sthemostorganicbroccoliintheworldandyouhave,youknow,eitheranIGGorimmunesystemreactiontoit,thensimplyit'sjustnotgonnadowhatyouwantoutofit.Soyouneedtotakeit...it'srestcyclesandloadingcycles.That'showit'salwaysbeen,andthat'sprettymuch,youneedtodeterminewherethebody'sat,andyouneedtogoaheadandflexitlikethat.Katie:Yeah.Thatseemssological.AndI'vebeenkindofexperimentingwiththatthelastcoupleofyears,tryingtobuyprettymuchonlythingsthatgrowinmyareaatthatcertaintime.Andit'sbeenareally
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interestingexperiment,andI'venoticedmoreandmorethatItendtostartcravingthethingsthatareactuallyseasonalwhereIlivethemoreIdoit.So,forinstance,rightnoweverythinggreenisgoingcrazyandI'vebeencravinglikekaleandcilantro,pesto,andthingslikeit'sgoingoutofstyle.Butthosearethethingsthatareseasonalanddesignedtobegrowingrightnowwherewelive.It'sjustfascinatingformetoseethat.Andso,youmentionedazeroproteindieter,whichwouldbebydefault,avegandiet.Butalsothatwouldbeasimilartoafastingmimickingdiet.Isthatright?BecauseIknowthatlikeDr.ValterLongoandsomepeoplelikethatuseasimilartypeconcept,andithasamazingclinicalresearchbehindit.ButI'mcuriouswhatyourthoughtsareonbothfastingmimicking,andalsofastingingeneral,becausethat'ssomethingI'vebeenexperimentingwithaswelllately.Jeoff:So,again,formypatientbasethatwehave,fastingisawonderfulthing.Imean,weusedtodoalotmoreofit.Here'saproblemthatIfoundwithfastingthesedaysisthat,whenwe'relooking...andagain,wehavetechnologiessothatwecanlookatpatientsandwecheatalittlebittoknowelectricallywherethey'reatandwhattheycandealwith.Fastingusedtobeagreatthingbecauseyourestedthedigestivetract,andthentherestofthecellskindofgotgoingandtheygotintothatdetoxificationphase.Andthatusedtobe...Imean,it'sbeendoneforaslongashumanshavebeenaround.Butnow,withsomeofthemore,we'llsay,chemically-sensitivepeopleandsomeofthemore...we'llsay,thewaythatwedesignchemicals,sometimesyoudon'twantthatalloutatthesametime.Sometimeswedon'tneedtoflood,takeeverythingofftheshelf.InChinesemedicinethat'scalledshakingthetiger'stailwhenthey'reinthecage.Andsometimesyoujustdon'twannadothat.Therehastobesomethingthat'salittlebitmoregentle.Andthat'swhyIsaidtherehastobesomecaloriecomingin.Alotofpeoplewilldodifferentdietsormodifiedfasting,whichisgreatbecauseyourestthesystem.Weallknowcaloricrestrictionincreasedlongevity.Butwe'renotplayingthesamegameanymore.We'resayingifwelookatthatconnectivetissueandwestopsomethingthat'scomingin,normallyweincreasewhat'sgoingout.Wereallyneedthat72hoursbeforewestarttoseethatconnectivetissuestartdumping.SoIalwaysliketofuelthesystemalittlebit.Iknowintermittentfastingiskindoflikethatpaleothingnow.Everybodyissaying,"Well,I'mjustgonnadointermittentfasting."Butit'saninterestingthingwhenyou'relookingatcortisollevelsandendocrinologytosayifyou'regonnadoa12-hourfast,youshouldprobablydothat12...youshouldprobablyeatbreakfastandthendothe12-hourfastafterthat.Butnobodydoesitthatway,becausethedigestivetract...likethethyroid,forexample,isthehighestmetabolicallyatabout2:00intheafternoon,becausethat'swhencortisolisthehighestinthemorning.Soeverybodykindofdoesthisintermittentfastwherewefastfromdinnertothenextlunch.Andthat'slike,youknow,that'sputtingtoomuchstresshormoneandtoomuchofthesympatheticnervoussysteminplayatthetime.Andunlesstheperson'sgonnadothatalsowiththeirlifestyle,andnotworkinthemorning,becausethatwouldbeatrueintermittentfast,right?Fastingusedtomeanresting.Andthenallofasuddenwesaid,"Well,fastingjustmeansnoteating."Andso,ifyoulookattheoldwaytheliteraturesaid,itwaslike,"Ifyou'regonnafast,youstayhome,yourest,andyouletyourbiologicalprocessesdowhatthey'resupposedtowithouthavingtocompetewithfood."Andso,IthinkwemessedthatupinNorthAmericaalittlebitwherewewerejustlike,"Justnotgonnaeat."It'slikewell,you'regoingtogotowork,orevenworse,you'regonnaworkout.Nowpeoplelikenowjusttoworkoutwhiletheydointermittentfasting,becausethey'relike,"Ilosealotofweight."It'sbecauseyoujustreleasedalotofstresshormone.Andso,you'regonnapayforthoughinthenext,youknow,onetothreeyearswhenyoukindofburnthathormoneout.SoIlikefasting.Ijustlikefastingthewaythatfastingwasmeanttobedone,whichislikeresteverything.You
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know,stayathome,don'teat,oryoucandotheoldmastercleanse,whichiscalledthemirrorcleansenowadays,whereyouhavealittlebitoffuelcomingin,soyou'refuelingsomeoftheliverandkidneyssothattheycanactuallygetsomemoreenergy,sothattheycanfiltersomeofthisnastinessthatwe'rejustreallygettingoutofourconnectivetissues.SoIthinkfastingandresting,weneedtorevisitthatlogicandsay,youknow,"IfI'mjustnotgonnaeat,butI'mgonnadoeverythingelseinmylife,probablyhormonallyI'mputtingmyselfinaveryinterestingsituation.Katie:Thatmakesperfectsense.AndIhaveneverfeltgreatonintermittentfasting,andthat'sprobablywhy.AlthoughIhaveexperimentedwithwhatyoumentionedwhereyouactuallyneedthat72hoursforthebodytoactuallyreallystartseeingchanges.I'veexperimentedwithmorelikeafivetoseven-daywaterfastundertheguidanceofadoctor,andseenreallycoollabchangesfromthat,obviouslywatchingthyroidhormonesverycarefully.Butthatwasinterestingtohearyousaythat,becauseIknowthatthereissomeresearchontheautophagy,andlikestemcellproduction,thingsthatrampuponalongerwaterfast,butIthinkwhatyousaidissokey.That'snotatimeyoushouldberunningamarathonorevenworkingout.AndthoseformearetimeswhenIjusttakeafewdaysoffandgettorelaxandjustreadbooksinbedwithmykids.Because,likeyousaid,there'salotgoingonevenwhenyou'renoteating,especiallyprobablywhenyou'renoteating.Jeoff:Yeah.You'resupposedtojustlaydownandputabunchofblanketsandrestbythefireasyouincreaseyourmetabolicrateandyouhadafever.Andthenyouwakeupandyou'dkindofcomeoutofitandyou'dfeellike,"Oh,there'sanicecatharsisthere."Andintermittentfasting,orfastingaswe'vedoneittoday,that'sjustkindofanotherstressthatyou'reputtingonthebody,andwe'renotvalidatingtheprocessthatissupposedtobegoingon.We'rejustsaying,"I'mnotgoingtoputcalorieinthere.SoI'mgoingtogetthisextraeffectoffofit,"butit'slike,ugh,that'sthesamethingthatwekindofseewithlikemarathontrainingbackinthedaywhenyouneverusedtorest.It'slike"Yeah.Reallylooksgoodonpaper.You'rereallytrackingalotofmilesdown."Andthenwhenyourunoutofcartilageit'slike,"Well,thatdidn'tlooksogood."Youknow.Sotherewasthingsthatyouweresupposedtodowithrestcycles,andthat'sthewaythebiologykindofwroteitup.Andaslongasyou'renotgonnaeat,Imean,youarerestingoneorgansystem,butyou'realsoputtingworkontheotherorgansofdetoxification.Soyoujusthavetopaycredencetothat'swhatyou'redoing.Worksrealwellatthestart,andthenyourealize,likeIsaid,downtheroadthatyoureallydonated...thatwasaheavytaxandyoudonatedalotofgreatthings.Andthereasonwhywegetincreasedgrowthhormoneandincreasestemcellsisbecauseofstressonthebody.Andthat'sanapplication,orit'sareactiontothatstressonthebody.Butitwasn'tsupposedtobereplicatedthatoften.Youknow,we'resupposedtogointoourcave,havefast,andthebodysaid,"Great.NowIhavetimetorecycle.Andalltheincreaseingrowthhormonebecausewe'regonnautilizesomethingsweneverhad,webetterprepareandwebetterincreaseinstresshormone,andwebettergoaheadanddothesethingsandregenerate."Buttherewasveryfewtimesthatthatwasdoneelectively.Youknow,usuallyiswealwaysgobacktothispaleo,andit'shardtofindlikeaguythatwasjustwatchingabunchofdeercrosstheroadandbelike,"IthinkI'mjustgonnarestforaboutsevendayshereandnoteat."Sowhenyoudiddothat,thatwasacueforyourbodytodotheseotherthings,anditwasjustmeanttobedoneinarestfulstate.SoNorthAmerica'skindoffunnybecausewe'rejustlike,"Ifitlooksgoodonpaperanditlooksaggressive,thenwe'lljustputitintoplay."Andagain,ifyoudon'tgetassessmentsandyoudon'tknowhormonallywhatyou'regoingintothatintermittentfastingwith,youcanbeprettyshockedattheresultsyouendupwith.Katie:Yeah,100%agree.
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Katie:AndanotherareaI'dlovetotouchonwithyou,soI'vementionedthataprettylargesegmentofthelisteningaudiencehassomeformofchronicdiseaseorautoimmunedisease,andthat'swhythey'reinterestedinhealthandfindinghealthanswers.ButIknowbasedonouragedemographics,andI'mspeakingformyselftoo,thatagingistopofmindforalotofwomen.Andso,I'mcurious,iftherearewaysthatwecanusesomeoftheseprinciplesofbiologicalmedicinetoaffectagingnotjustonthevisuallevelandhowwelook,butalsoonacellularlevel,becausewenowknowIthinkwithtelomeresandalotofdifferenttests,that'ssomethingwecanactuallysomewhattrack,butI'dlovetohearyourtakeonthat,becauseIknowthatcanbealittlebitcontroversial.AndI'mcuriouswhatadviceyouwouldgivetoslowaginginagentle,natural,biologicalway.Jeoff:SoImean,thefirstthingwewannalookatagainisifwetookmyproathletes,forexample,whoaren'tthemosthealthyspecimensbythetimeyoubreakdownbiochemistry,butwesaidifwetookproathletesorwetookpeoplethatactuallywereoptimalperformersandwelookedatsomeoftheirbiochemistry,we'dseethatnormallywe'reintheupper70thpercentileonthingslikevitaminsandthingslikehormones,andwe'reonthelowerpercentilesfarasthingswithtoxicity.Sothosearethetwoareas,andwe'rejustlookingforcellaging.Youknow,howmuchworkdoesacellhavetodoandwhatenvironmentdoesithavetodoitin?AndweknowthatDNAhasaremarkablecapacitytoliveaverylongperiodoftimewithreplicationaslongasitdoesn'thavetocompetewithanything.Soifwehavelotsofniceanabolic,youthfulhormonescominginandwedon'thavetodealwithsomeoftheseotherbyproductsofhavingtodowelltoprocessesgoingout,weendupwithdoingreallywellforareallylongperiodoftime.Soasyougetridofthewasteandyoukeephormoneshigh,whichisaninterestingthingtodothesedays,Imean,everybodyhasthiscontroversialthingof,well,shouldwedohormonesorshouldn'twedohormones?Andaslongasyourhormonesarebelowthe50thpercentile,andforexample,someoneyouragehashormonesof50-year-old,or40-year-old,it'sreallyhardtoperformatthelevelthatyouwanttoforanincreasinglylongperiodoftime.Andso,it'sallabouttheenvironmentthatthecelllives.Ifyouhave
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hormones...andI'mtellingyou,welookatinfertility,forexample,thesedaysandwesayspermcountsinmalesaregreatlyreducedfromwheretheywereat50yearsago.Andthat'sanagingofthepopulation,notachronologicalagingofthepopulation,butabiologicalagingofthepopulationsayinghumansjustcan'tseemtoproducewhattheshould,andtheycan'tseemtogoaslongastheyshouldwithouthavingsomethingthatbreaksthemdownlikeacar.Sowhenyou'relookingatthat,you’relookingatmicronutrientlevels,lookingatvitaminlevels,lookingatantioxidantlevels,andlikeyousaidwithtechnology,nowwecancheat.Andwecansay,"Hey,ifIcan't,youknow,producevitaminC,orifIcan'tabsorbvitaminC,that'swheresupplementationcomesin.AndIputallmymarkersinthetop70thpercentileandIpromiseyouwhenyoudothattoanybody,they'regonnaperform,andthey'regonnabealotlessadaptto,we'llsay,breakingdown,oraging,oroxidation,ordegeneration.Wejustknowthatwhenwedothatinphysiologythatifwemakeeverythingreallygoodandweputitatthetopend,andeverythingcanrepairreallyfast,pluswegetridofsomeofthestuffintheconnectivetissuethatmaybecompeting,orwegetridoflymphaticstagnationsowecangetoxygenandelectronstothecellsandwasteproductsaway,itworkseverysingletimeandwegetalotmorelongevity.Justlikeoutofacarifyoutakethecarinandyoumakesureallthepartsarekindofnew,andyouchangetheoil,andyouputgoodgasolinein,itrunsalongtimeanditrunsprettyfast.Sohumanphysiologyhasn'tbeenanydifferentforalongperiodoftime.Wejusthavetheabilitytolookatitnowandsay,"Ifwehavetheminerallevelinourfoodthatwas20%ofwhatitusedtobe100yearsago,organicornot...andwecan'texactlygobackandaskafarmertorestthefieldsthesedays,becausecommercially,Imean,thatwouldbesuicideforthem.Sowejusthavetosaythat'swherethesupplementsandsomeofthatotherworldcomesin.Findoutwhatyouarelowin.Goaheadandmakethatinthetop70thpercentilewhereitshouldbe.Lookatallyourhormones,becausethat'swhatyou'redoingthisaginggamewith.Findoutwhichonesarelow,andeitherfindawaytomakethembetterbytakingthemorremovethebarriersthatarepreventingthemfrombeingwheretheyshouldbe,andthenetresultwillalwaysbeamagicalthing,whichendsupbeingthatpeoplelookyounger,theymovedifferently,theythinkdifferently,andtheyactdifferently.Katie:Ilovethat.AndaquestionIlovetoasktowardstheend,especiallysomeonewithavastknowledgelikeyou,obviouslythoseofuswithchildren,especiallythoseofuswithhealthconditionswhohavechildrenhavinggonethroughthemourselves,andanymotherespeciallydoesn'twanttheirchildtoeverhavetogothroughthesethingsaswell.SoI'dlovetoaskifthereareanyspecificthingsthatyousuggestregularlytokindofkeepkidshealthyastheygrowandtoavoidsomeoftheseproblems,especiallyifthereareanystrategiesthatwomenandmomscantakeathomeeveniftheydon'thaveaccesstoyourcliniclocations,althoughwewannatalkaboutthatinaminutetoo.Butjustthingsthatarekindofmorewherechildrenarebuildingtheirfoundationforlife,likethat,thingsthatwecandotosupportit.AndIknowmylistincludesthingslikegettingenoughdailysunshineandspendingtimeoutdoorsandeatingseasonalfood.ButI'dlovetohearanysuggestionsyouhaveaswell.Jeoff:So,Ijusthaveatwo-month-oldathomesoit'sfun.Andtheinterestingthingwaswe...youknow,Itakeitfrompre-conceptionallthewaytopregnancy,becausealotoftimesduringpregnancywejustsay,"Well,wecan'tdoanything."Butwhenit'syourownfamilyyoucandowhateveryouwant.Andso,Ireallytakeanactiveroleinsayingthisisasmuch...beforepregnancyisareallyimportanttimeforthoseprospectivemothersouttheretogetthosenutrientlevelstothepointthattheyneedtobeat.Andthenduringpregnancy,likeyousaid,allthestuff.Butthen,onceababy,forthisfirstsevenyearstheydevelop
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personalitiesandtheadrenalsaredevelopinginthefirstyear,andthethyroiddevelopsuptoyearthree,andthenwegotreproductivehormonesdevelopafterthat.Andit'svitallyimportantthatwejustgoahead...organicfoodisjustanecessarythingforraisinglittlepeople,becausetheybio-accumulatethingssomuchmorethanadultsdo,andthey'vegotsomuchbiggerofagrowthcycleandtheyhavesomuchmoreactionthanwehave.So,Ialwaysliketosupplementmineralsinlittlekids.Ialwaysliketosupplementhumanprobioticsbecauseprobioticsaretransient,andlittleonesdon'treallyhavecellularimmunesystemsdeveloped,againuntiltellaboutseven,eventhoughattwoitkindagetsformed.Soprobiotics,goodbalanceofessentialfattyacidsandminerals,andtherestofitisorganicfood,alotoffun,andalotoflove,andyoucangetalotofthingsdonewiththat.Kidsstillneedalot.Iusedtovolunteeratastreetkids'clinic.AndIwasalwayslike,you'relookingbackandyou'rejustwatchingsomeofthesestoriescomein,andI'mseeingsomeofthedietsthatthemomsareeating,"andI'mlike,"There'snowaythatkid..."Andthentheybringthatkidback,andI'dholdthatkid,anditlookedalotlikethebabyIjusthad.Thetroubleischronicdiseasesetsinafterthat,becausewhatyou'redevelopingwith,you'rekindofdoomedtolivingoffoffortherestofyourlife.Now,geneticsandeverythingcanchange,butlikeIsaid,minerals,becauseyoucan'tgetenoughfromfood,andkidsneedthosetogrow.Probiotics,whichhumanstrainsjustsitintherealittlebitbetterforkids.AndalotoftheactionishappeninginthingscalledPeyer'spatches,whichisinthesmallintestines,soanythingthatyoucandotoencouragethatdevelopingofthatimmunesystem,yougreatlyreducethechanceofchronicdisease.Andthenwealwaysgetintotoxicitywithvaccinationsandstufflikethat,whicheverybodyasksmethatquestionandI'dsay,"That'saloadedquestion."Andyoualwayskindawaituntilyouhavethingsinmedicine.Waittogetintomedicine.You'llhaveyourchancestogetintomedicinewhentheyfalloutoftreesandstufflikethat.Butinmyopinion,buildthingsfirst,andthenusemedicinesoyougetthebestresponsesoffmedicinelater.So,there'snothingbetter.There'snothingIenjoymorethanmypediatricpatientsbecausetheyjusthealsomuchfasterthanusoldfogiesandthey'requicktoabsorbthingsandyougetgreatbenefitsinaveryshortperiodoftime.Katie:Agreed.Kidsareamazing.AndI'dlovetohear,aswefinishup,withyourvastexperienceandallofyourresearchhistory,whatdoyouseeasthefuturemedicine?Becauseyou'vealreadyseenalotofchangesduringthetimethatyou'vepracticed,butI'mreallycuriouswhatyouseeandhopeforthefuture?Jeoff:Now,whatI'dliketosee.Here'swheremedicine...So,Ihavealotofdoctorsaspatients,whichisalwaysfunny,becausewealwayssitaround,Iusedtositonhealthboards.Andmedicine'sinaveryterriblespotrightnowwherewedon'treallypaydoctorsenoughforthemtospendtimeorgetXtraining.Sothey'llsaytomeinaconsult,they'llbelike,"I'dlovetodoallthisstuffbutIonlygetpaidforfiveminutes."It'slike,"Ican'tblameyou.You'renotgettingpaidtolearn."Iknowthatsoundslikeacopout.Butwhenyoustillhavetokeepyourlightson,youknow,medicineisinaweirdspacewherewe'rekindofrunningmedicinewithinsurancecompaniesandtheinsurancecompaniesdon'tnecessarilypayyoutogetbetter,theyjustpayyoutoseepeople.Andthenthepharmaceuticalcompanies,whichwehaveto,becauselikeyousaid,ifyougetoverthatrolloveraccidentinyourcar,youhavetoasksomebodytopayforthat.So,weneedalltheselittlefacets,whicheverybodylooksasthedevilinoneturn,buttheyplayaroleintheecosystemofmedicine.Wheremedicineshouldbegoinginthenextlittlebit,whichiswhereIwouldlovetoseeitgo,there'salotlessoutofbiochemistryandalotmoreintophysics.Imeanifwewouldhavesaid,"Ifyouwouldhavetoldme20years
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agothatI'dstillbetalkingaboutcortisoneandantidepressants,Iwouldbedepressedmyself."IfwelookatiPhonesandwesay,"Whatwasavailable15yearsago?"andI'mstillpoppingaTylenol,we'vegotthisbiochemistrymodelwhichwejustsay,"Wehavetosellthisamountofbiochemistrybecausewehavetokeepthemedicalsysteminplayandifweintroducedthistechnology,ortheseassessments,orthisphysics,itwilllimittheabilityforustomakemoneyofbiochemistry."AndIunderstandthebusinessofit.ButI'dsureliketoseealotmoreoftechnologybeingimplementedwherewesay,"Whyaren'tweusingsomethingthat'ssloppy,hassomeeffectsbutalsohassideeffects?"Whydon'twejustusethistechnologythatdoesn'thavesideeffects?"Wedoitanassessmentallthetime.WeuseMRIs.Youknow,we'reusingalltheseother,youknow,guidedultrasounds.We'redoingallthiswonderfulthingindiagnostics.Whyarewejustdoingallthisantiquated...whyarewedoingallthisancientstuffintreatment?Andit'sbecausewegetpaidmonthlytodotreatment.Likewhyarewestillkindadoingchemotherapy?Imeanit'sgotlike2%effectiveandit'snotagreattherapy.It'snotgreat,butwegeneratesomemoneyoffofit,andthatpaysforraising,youknow,a1.5-poundbaby,whichisamiracle.BackwhenIstarted20yearsago,Imean,thatneonatalcareand,we'llsay,surgeryororthopedics,thosehavedonemiraculousthingsinthelast...ifyouhaveagripeaboutallopathicmedicine,youshouldgoaheadandspendsometimeinthosewards,becauseyouseemiracleshappeneverysingleday.Unfortunately,whenwe'retalkingabouthealthorchronicdisease,wedon'treallyseeanyadvancesinit,becausewe'renotwillingtosay,"I'mgonnagiveupthis,we'llsay,biochemicalmodel,"andsupplementationisnutrition.Youknow,nutritionalsupplementsfallintothatplaytoo.YougotoEuropeandeverything'sbehindacounter.Soyoucan'tgotheretoWholeFoods,forexample,andgetloadsandloadsofnutritionalsupplementationandpracticeonyourself.Youhavetogotoapharmacysoit'satleastcontrolled.AndmedicinewiththeimplementationofDr.Google,andthefactofthingsthatwe'redoingrightnow,there'salotmoreexposure,andIthinkthat'sgreatbecauseitpushestheenvelopeonwhatpeopleareexposedtoandwhattheylearn.Doctors,unfortunately,we'vekindatakethatabilityforthemtolearnrightout,becausewejustkindofgrindthemdownwith50patientsaday.Butyouknowwholearnsreallywell?Thepersonthathasacondition,andtheystartlearningaboutanatomyandphysiology,whichiskindofwhyImade...youknow,mynewwebsiteisdrdrobot.com,andit'sallquestionandanswers.That'sallIencouragebecauseIdon'thavealotoftimetodopresentations.Andsoyoujustgothere,yougototheFacebookpageandyoujustaskquestionsbecausethat'soneofmyhobbies,isjustansweringquestions.Andwehavethatinmedicinewherewewe'resaying,"We'renotgettingalotofthequestionsanswered,sopeoplearestartingtogototechnologytofindsomesolutions,butthentechnology,Ihope,comesintotreatment,becauseIthinkwe'llseealotofthings.Ihopebythetimemylittlekidsaremyage,whichis43,Ihopethatwedothingsalotdifferentlybyusingphysicsinsteadofjustpharmacologyandbiochemistry.Katie:I100%agreewithyouonthat.AndIthinkyou'resoright,IhopeaswellthatthetechnologicaladvancesandtheriseofDr.Google,asyousay,willleadtoamorebalancedapproachinthefuture,becauseIsayitjokingly,butI'mactuallynotjokingthatneverdoubtthataconcernedmomwithachildwithahealthproblemcandobetterresearchthantheFBI.Andit'strue.Ifyouorsomeoneyoulovehasahealthcondition,youhaveaverystrongmotivationtolearnaboutthatandtoexperienceanypotentialoptionsthatwouldhelpyou.So,Ithinkthat'sgonnabehopefullyareallygoodthingthatwe'llseeinthefutureofmedicine.AndIalso100%echoyourpointsabouttherearesomanystrengthsofallopathicmedicine.Ihadplacentapreviawithmythird,endedupwithanemergencyC-sectionandlostatonofblood,andheandIarebothalivetoday,thanks
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toallopathicmedicine.Icertainlydon'tdiscountitandIthinkthatthefuture...likeyou,Ihopethefutureisaverygoodcombinationofthetwoandworkingtogetherandusingthestrengthsofboth.SoIthinkyousaiditsowell.AndIwantyoutowrapupbysayingwherepeoplecanfindyourclinicsandalsoyourwebsite.Mentionitonemoretime.Jeoff:Yeah.Sothenewwebsiteisdrdrobot.com.Youcangothereandit'sallFacebook-based.So,FacebookLive,youaskquestions,I'llgivetheanswers.AndthentheclinicsthatwehaverightnowareourbigoneinScottsdale,that'stheAmericanCenterforBiologicalMedicine.Andthenthere'sanotherAmericanCenterforBiologicalMedicineandDentistrygoingupinProvidence,RhodeIsland.ThatwillprobablybeopeninSeptember.Sothat'llbe15,000squarefeetofbiologicalbutt-kickingclass.Wehaveabiologicaldentistry.ThenwealsohaveaprojectgoingoninacommunitycalledAlbanyintheBahamas,wherewe'llalsobedoingsomebiologicaltreatment.So,IalsohavemyCanadianclinicupinCalgary,Alberta.Soyoucanfindmeeverywhereandnowhereatthesametime,butifyougoonthatwebsiteandstartaskingquestionsI'dlovetostartgivingyouanswers.Sothat'sprettymuch,that'llfillmeupforthenext45yearsprobably.Katie:Thereyougo.Andallthoselinks,foranyonelistening,willbeintheshownotesatwellnessmama.fm.Ifyou'redrivingpleasedon'ttrytowritethemdownwhileyou'redriving.Thosewillbethereforyoutofindwhenyou'reinasafeplace.Butthankyousomuchforyourtimeandbeinghere.Youarewealthofknowledge.ThiswassuchafunconversationandIknowitreallyhelpedalotofpeople.Sothankyou.AndthankstoallofyouforlisteningandIhopetohearyounexttimeon"TheHealthyMoms"podcast.Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.
