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Origin of the Marian Dogmas: Where Do Catholic Scholars Say The Four Dogmas of Mary Came From?

By COGwriter

Having been baptized and raised Catholic, I have long been taught about the one known as Saint Mary,

mother of Jesus, or sometimes referred to as mother Mary. Currently, there are four Marion adopted

dogmas according to official Catholic sources, with the adoption of another advocated by some.

Where did each of the Marian/Marion dogmas come from? When were they adopted by the Church of

Rome? What do Catholic and other scholars teach about their origins? What is the fifth proposedMarian dogma?

This article will provide documented Catholic approved evidence of where each of the Marian dogmas

came from.

(Bible Version Abbreviations: DRB: Douay-Rheims Bible; NJB: New Jerusalem Bible; NKJV: New King

James Version; KJV: King James Version--the first two are Catholic versions of the Bible, while the last

two are Protestant versions. Multiple versions are shown in this article to show the consistency of

translation of certain biblical passages related to Mary.)

Dogma 1: Divine Motherhood

This dogma and its origin are a bit tricky in a couple of ways. All who actually believe the Bible realize

that Mary was the mother of Jesus (John 2:1,3) and that Jesus is divine (John 1:1). The New Testament

specifically refers to her as "Mary the mother of Jesus" (Acts 1:14, DRB/NJB/KJV/NKJV).

Although Elizabeth referred to Mary as "mother of my lord" (Luke 1:43, DRB/NJB/KJV/NKJV), no passage

in sacred scripture actually refers to Mary as the "mother of God." In the Bible Mary is mainly referred

to simply as Mary.


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While Mary is honored by the Greco-Romans more than other early saints, the reality is that early

writings had more positive titles for the original apostles, like the Apostle John (e.g. Polycrates' Letter;

Harris Fragments; Irenaeus Fragments 2,3; Irenaeus Against Heresies, V, 18:2), than they did for Mary.

Despite claims to the contrary concerning Mary, the expression Mother of God is never used by early

church fathers like Ignatius, Irenaeus, or Tertullian nor is it directly found in scripture

(DRB/NJB/NJB/NKJV).

Second century writings show that Mary was mainly simply called Mary with no additional descriptions

(cf. Ignatius to Ephesians, 7,18,19; Ignatius to Trallians, 9; Fragments from the Lost Writings of Irenus,

52; Irenaeus Against Heresies, V, 1:2-3; 25:5; 31:1). She is sometimes also called the virgin Mary (e.g.

Irenaeus Against Heresies, V, 19:1; Justin's Dialogue, 100, 113, 120) (Note: the context of the use of the

term virgin Mary was at the annunciation and birth, and all who believe the Bible accept that Mary wasa virgin then; the expression's context did not suggest perpetual virginity).

The first time, outside of falsified documents (falsified documents are those whose claimed date and

authorships' are false--and the falsity of them is normally accepted by Catholic and other theological

scholars), that the term "His mother Mary" appeared seems to have been around the beginning of the

third century (Tertullian. On the Flesh of Christ, 7). And it is correct to call her Mary, mother of Jesus or

His mother Mary.

However, several centuries after Mary died, some decided to go a little beyond that. Here is what may

be the earliest declaration (there was a pre-311 Alexandrian church that had something similar but I

have not been able to locate more specific details, as well details regarding a mid-third century claim

involving Dionysius of Alexander):

Pre-328 Alexander of Alexandria calls Mary Theotokos ("God-Bearer"). (McNally TJ. What Every

Catholic Should Know about Mary. Xlibris Corporation, 2009 , p. 186).

In 430, a Catholic bishop essentially warned:


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If Mary is called the Mother of God, she will be made into a goddess, and the Gentiles will be

scandalized. (Chapman, John. "Nestorius and Nestorianism." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 10. New

York: Robert Appleton Company, 1911. 4 Aug. 2011 )

The bishop preferred a term indicating bearer of Christ (Ott L. Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, 4th ed .

TAN Books, Rockford (IL), Nihil Obstat: Jeremiah J. O Sullivan. Imprimatur: Cornelius, 7 October 1954.,

Printed 1974, TAN Books, p. 196).

Despite his objections, the term Theotokos seems to have become more widely accepted in the 5th

century:

Mary's divine motherhood was proclaimed at the Council of Ephesus in 431...Mary's Divine

Motherhood was not the object of an independent or exclusive dogmatic declaration. The statement is

embedded in texts defining the person and natures of Jesus Christ. (The Four Marian Dogmas. Catholic

News Agency, http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=424 viewed 08/26/11)

Yet, even the 431 statements about Mary referred to her as Theotokos literally translates as one who

bore God, as opposed to Mother of God. (McNally, pp. 186-187).

A Catholic writer, and admitted goddess enthusiast, reported:

Many scholars believe that Mary was declared the Mother of God and allowed to be venerated

because of the need of the Hellenistic world for a heavenly feminine principle. They say it was a

compromise with pagans in order for Christianity to become acceptablethis is quitetrue(Rozett E.

Mother Mary and the Goddess. http://www.interfaithmary.com/pages/mary_goddess.html viewed

08/05/11)

No wonder some opposed this in the fifth century as they felt this could make a goddess out of Mary.


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The semi-official adoption in the fifth century of the Theotokos title, which is now called the "Mother of

God" dogma in the English language, was an innovation as it is not from sacred scripture nor the earliest

traditions of the Christian church.

Dogma 2: Perpetual Virginity

The Catholics of Rome and even many of the Protestant Reformers have believed in the idea of the

perpetual virginity of Mary.

Notice:

Surprisingly, the Protestant reformers affirmed their belief in Marys perpetual virginity. Forexample, Martin Luthers (1483-1546) was true to the Catholic tradition when he wrote: It is an article

of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. . . . Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb

left perfectly intact.

The French reformer John Calvin (1509-1564) was not as profuse in his praise of Mary as Martin

Luther, but he did not deny her perpetual virginity. The term he used most commonly in referring to

Mary was Holy Virgin.

The Swiss reformer, Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), wrote, on the perpetual virginity of Mary: I firmly

believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of

God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin. Elsewhere Zwingli

affirmed: I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary; Christ was

born of a most undefiled Virgin. (Bacchiocchi S. MARIOLOGY. ENDTIME ISSUES NEWSLETTER No. 191,

2007).

But where did this come from?

Well, it did not come from the Bible. Here is some of what two Catholic-translations of scripture teach

about Mary and her family:


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25 And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and called his name JESUS (Matthew

1:25, DRB).

55Is not his mother the woman called Mary, and his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and

Jude? 56 His sisters, too, are they not all here with us? (Matthew 13:55b-56a, NJB).

3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joseph, and Jude, and Simon?

Are not also his sisters here with us? (Mark 6:3a, DRB)

So, perpetual virginity for Mary is not explicitly part of sacred scripture. Since Jesus was Marys first born

sonthe implication, which is confirmed in scripture, is that she had other sons.

While some have argued that the term for brothers in Matthew 13:55 may mean cousins, the Greek

expressions for brothers (adephos) and sisters (adelphe) are what is in the Greek texts. The Greek terms

in those verses do not mean cousins (Danker FW, ed. A Greek-Lexicon of the New Testament and other

Early Christian Literature, 3rd ed. University of Chicago Press, Chicago, p. 18 ). The Greek terms that

better convey "cousin" are suggenh/suggenes/anepsios (Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers

and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc.

and International Bible Translators, Inc.). And those terms are the only ones that are translated as

"cousin" in the Rheims New Testament (Luke 1:36 DRB; Colossians 4:10 DRB). Mark 6:3 also uses the

Greek expression for sisters (adelphe), and does not use the one that convey more distant kin like

cousins. Thus, even Catholic translators seemingly admit that Jesus had brothers and sisters, and that

cousin comes from different words. If the terms in koine Greek clearly was understood to have meant

cousins, then most of those who professed Christ and lived in the first century or so after His incarnation

would have realized that. But that was not their position.

Furthermore, notice the following:

56 Among whom was Mary Magdalen, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of

the sons of Zebedee. (Matthew 27:56, DRB)

The above clearly states that Mary was the mother of James and Joseph. And this is the Mary, mother of

Jesus (Mark 6:3; John 2:1)--the Greek term for mother, meteer, is the same as the one in John 2:1


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where Mary is referred to as Jesus' mother). James and Joseph were not Jesus' half-brothers from a

sometimes claimed prior marriage for Joseph, Mary's husband. This is not just my opinion. Notice what

Catholic Priest and scholar Bagatti has published:

Of the relatives of the Lord mention is made in the Gospels; four are called "brothers of Jesus",

namely James, Joseph (Josuah), Simon and Jude. The first two have Mary as their mother Matt. 27, 56).

(Bagatti, Bellarmino. Translated by Eugene Hoade. The Church from the Circumcision. Nihil obstat:

Marcus Adinolfi. Imprimi potest: Herminius Roncari. Imprimatur: +Albertus Gori, die 26 Junii 1970.

Franciscan Printing Press, Jerusalem, p.52)

Hence, since the Bible does not say Mary would remain a virgin and it shows that Mary was the mother

of at least two of Jesus' brothers, there is no biblical reason to accept the doctrine of Marys perpetual

virginity (but many still do).

Basically, scripture only says that she was a virgin UNTIL Jesus was born. All real Christians believe that

Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived inside of her by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35) and that she

remained a virgin until some time after Jesus was born (Matthew 1:25; 13:55-56).

Apparently, the earliest claim as to Mary's so-called perpetual virginity comes from a false document

known as the Protoevangelium of James (McNally, p. 73). Why is it false?

This "gospel" falsely claims to have been written by James in Jerusalem and in the first century (The

Protoevangelium of James. Translated by Alexander Walker. From Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 8. Edited

by Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe. (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature

Publishing Co., 1886.) Revised and edited for New Advent by Kevin Knight.

). It states that a midwife checked, and found, intact

proof of Mary's viginity shortly after Jesus was born. The claims of its authorship and date of writing are

both being claims scholars realize are false (The Infancy Gospel Of James; Alternate title: The

Protovangelion. Geoff Trowbridge's Introduction. http://www.maplenet.net/~trowbridge/infjames.htmviewed 08/13/11; Kirby, Peter. "Infancy Gospel of James." Early Christian Writings. 2011. 13 Aug. 2011

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/infancyjames.html; Reid, George. "Apocrypha." The Catholic

Encyclopedia. Vol. 1. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1907. 17 Aug. 2011

).


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Thus, this perpetual virginity teaching seems to have started from false sources.

It may be of interest to understand that the idea of Mary being a perpetual virgin was denounced once it

started to become popular. The Catholic Encyclopedia notes:

Antidicomarianites An Eastern sect which flourished about A.D. 200 to 400...The sect denied the

formula "ever-Virgin Mary" used in the Greek and Roman Liturgies. The earliest reference to this sect

appears in Tertullian, and the doctrines taught by them are expressly mentioned by Origen (Homilia in

Lucam, III, 940). Certain Arians, Eudocius and Eunomius, were great supporters of the teaching.

(Shipman, Andrew. "Antidicomarianites." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 1. New York: Robert Appleton

Company, 1907. Nihil Obstat. March 1, 1907. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal

Farley, Archbishop of New York. 7 Oct. 2011 .)

the Antidicomarianites, maintained that the brethren of Jesus were His uterine brothers the sons

of Joseph and Mary (Bechtel, Florentine. "The Brethren of the Lord." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 2.

Nihil Obstat. 1907. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York.

New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1907. 10 Dec. 2008

).

That last article in The Catholic Encyclopedia also teaches that "St. Ambrose, St. Hilary, and St. Gregory

of Tours" held positions similar to the Antidicomarianites. Furthermore, another article in The Catholic

Encyclopedia states, "writers like Tertullian, Hevidius, and possibly Hegesippus disputed the perpetual

virginity of Mary." Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma adds that the perpetual virginity of Mary was also

denied in the Early Church by Eunomius, Jovian, Helvidus, and Bishop Bonosus of Sardica as well as

Christians with practices some considered to be Jewish (Ott, p. 204).

The Greco-Roman "Saint Basil the Great" in the fourth century wrote:

*The opinion that Mary bore several children after Christ+ ... is not against the faith; for virginity was

imposed on Mary as a necessity only up to the time that she served as an instrument for the

Incarnation. On the other hand, her subsequent virginity was not essential to the mystery of the

Incarnation. (Homilia in sanctam Christi generationem, PG 31:1468).


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(Cited in Cleenewerck L. His Broken Body: Understanding and Healing the Schism Between the Roman

Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches (An Orthodox Perspective). Euclid University Consortium Press,

Washington (DC), 2007, p. 409).

Therefore, the idea that from the beginning all believed that Mary was a "perpetual virgin" simply is

without real merit.

It, however, seemed to become formalized in the sixth and seventh centuries:

The Fifth General Council (553) gives Mary the title of honour "perpetual virgin" (Ott, p. 206).

Mary conceived "without any detriment to her virginity, which remained inviolate even after his birth"

(Council of the Lateran, 649). Although never explicated in detail, the Catholic Church holds as dogma

that Mary was and is Virgin before, in and after Christ's birth. (The Four Marian Dogmas. Catholic News

Agency, http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=424 viewed 08/26/11)

This dogma originated from a false source (a "gospel" that Saint James did not write). It was opposed

after it started to become popular. Catholic saints scholars, and others opposed it. There is simply no

evidence that it was taught by the apostles.

The dogma of the perpetual virginity of Mary is an innovation that is not from sacred scripture nor the

true earliest traditions of the Christian church.

Dogma 3: Immaculate Conception

What is the Immaculate Conception? The dogma of the Immaculate Conception is that Mary was

conceived differently from other humans and that she never sinned. It is not the teaching that Jesus was

conceived by the Holy Spirit inside the then virgin Mary.

The Living Church of God (LCG) correctly teaches:


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The Bible never refers to Marys "Immaculate Conception" (Winnail DS. The Lady of Nations.

Tomorrow's World, LCG Magazine).

Similarly, The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma teaches:

The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary is not explicitly revealed in scriptureNeither the

Greek nor the Latin Fathers explicitly (explicite) teach the Immaculate Conception of Mary. (Ott, pp. 201-

202)

LCG teaches that Mary was born like everyone else and did sin (the Bible teaches that all have sinned,

Romans 3:23, except Jesus, Hebrews 4;15). The Bible gives no indication that Mary's conception was

somehow different than others.

So where did this dogma seem to come from?

Well before the birth of Christ, the Iranian goddess Aredvi Sura Anhit, known as the Persian Diana

(Boyce A. A history of Zoroastrianism, Part 1. BRILL, 1982, pp. 202-203),was called the virgin, the

immaculate (Fischer-Hansen T, Poulsen B. From Artemis to Diana: the goddess of man and beast.

Museum Tusculanum Press, 2009, pp. 44-47). Kore-Persephoneia was also the immaculate Maidenand Virgin of the World who gave birth to a son for Zeus, and she is believed to be same goddess

Diana (Kingsford AB, Maitland E. Virgin of the World of Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus. Kessinger

Publishing, 1997, reprint, pp. xx-xxiii). Hence, it appears that at least some of the idea was part of

paganism associated with Diana goddess worship. In the late fourth century, some associated with

goddess worship transferred some of their practices to Mary.

Apparently because of pagan compromise, a sect of Christians called Collyridiansmade offerings of

cakes to the Virgin Mary as a Goddess and Queen of Heaven (Higgins G. Anacalypsis: an attempt to

draw aside the veil of the Saitic Isis : or, An inquiry into the origin of languages, nations, and religions,

Volume 1. Longman, Rees, Orme, Brown, Green, and Longman, 1836. Original from the Bavarian State

Library. Digitized Mar 29, 2010, p. 305) In the fourth century, the Catholic Bishop Epiphanius

condemned those Marian devotees (Epiphanius. Section VII, 23,4, p. 618). He claimed this idolatrous

sect (Epiphanius. Section VII, 1,7, p. 621) glorified her to excessand seemed worried that this would

spread (Epiphanius. Section VII, 1,4, p. 621). Some ignored that advice and sometimes call her Queen

Mary or Mary Queen of Heaven.


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Because Mary was a woman, Epiphanius then reported that Mary is not allowed to have any liturgical

function or to speak in church either (Epiphanius. Section VII, 3,1-3,7, pp. 622-623). Despite

Catholics considering the Collyridians heretics, the Queen of Heaven title seems to have entered the

Vatican itself by way of a private revelation in the 7th century (Henry, Hugh. "Regina Coeli (Queen ofHeaven)." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 12. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1911. 14 Aug. 2011

). Others picked it up in that and later centuries (Pius

XII, Pope. Ad Caeli Reginam Encyclical on Proclaiming the Queenship of Mary. Promulgated October 11,

1954 http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi12ac.htm viewed 08/14/11). (More on the Queen of

Heaven origin can be found in the article Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the Apparitions.)

Despite the fact that the goddess followers were condemned as heretics, their influence spread.

Many considered to be saints by the Greco-Roman churches did not accept the idea that Mary was

immaculate:

Origenthought that, at the time of Christ's passion, the sword of disbelief pierced Mary's soul; that

she was struck by the poniard of doubt; and that for her sins also Christ died (Origen, "In Luc. hom.

xvii").

* In the same manner St. Basil writes in the fourth century: he sees in the sword, of which Simeon

speaks, the doubt which pierced Mary's soul (Epistle 259).

* St. Chrysostom accuses her of ambition, and of putting herself forward unduly when she sought to

speak to Jesus at Capharnaum (Matthew 12:46; Chrysostom, Homily 44 on Matthew). (Holweck,

Frederick. "Immaculate Conception." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. Nihil Obstat. June 1, 1910. Remy

Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York. New York: Robert

Appleton Company, 1910. 28 Jan. 2011 )

A British monk Eadmer began to promote the idea of an Immaculate Conception of Mary in the 12th

century. When he did so, St. Bernard of Clairvaux(about 1140), warned the faithful that this was an

unfounded innovation (Ott, p. 201).


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So was the Catholic saint Bernard wrong condemning heresy here? Of course not! Others, at least as

late as the 17th century supported Bernards position on this (Obrecht, Edmond. "Crisstomo

Henrquez." The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 7. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1910. 14 Aug. 2011

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07219c.htm).

Yet, after claiming to see an apparition in Rue du Bac, Paris in 1830, the Catholic Saint Catherine Labour

claimed Mary was conceived without sin (Apostoli A. Fatima for Today. Ignatius Press, 2010, p. 7).

(More on the apparitions like this, Lourdes, Medjugorje, and Fatima, can be found in the article Mary,

the Mother of Jesus and the Apparitions.)

Essentially, after having a similar concept in pagan goddess worship, combined with a innovation from a

monk that was opposed by a Catholic saint, later combined with apparitions, this became dogma,

despite the fact that it was not from scripture or an original apostolic tradition. The Roman CatholicChurch teaches:

In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the

Blessed Virgin Mary 'in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by

God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all

stain of original sin.' (Immaculate Conception. Index of New Advent).

The Blessed Virgin Mary, in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace

granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the human race, was preserved

exempt from all stain of original sin. (Pope Pius IX. Ineffabilis Deus. December 8, 1854)

Interestingly, the Eastern Orthodox, like the Living Church of God, reject the dogma of the immaculate

conception of the Virgin" (Clendenin D.B. ed. Eastern Orthodox Theology, 2nd ed. Baker Academic,

2003, p. 67). Hence two groups that claim to trace themselves back to the original apostles (see

Apostolic Succession) do reject the later added doctrine that Mary was conceived in a manner different

than the rest of humanity.

The Orthodox in their Patriarchal Encyclical of 1895 declared:


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XIII. The one holy, catholic and apostolic Church of the seven Ecumenical Councils teaches that the

supernatural incarnation of the only-begotten Son and Word of God, of the Holy Ghost and the Virgin

Mary, is alone pure and immaculate; but the Papal Church scarcely forty years ago again made an

innovation by laying down a novel dogma concerning the immaculate conception of the Mother of God

and ever-Virgin Mary, which was unknown to the ancient Church (and strongly opposed at different

times even by the more distinguished among the Papal theologians). (As cited in Cleenewerck L. His

Broken Body: Understanding and Healing the Schism Between the Roman Catholic and Eastern

Orthodox Churches (An Orthodox Perspective). Euclid University Consortium Press, Washington (DC),

2007, p. 400)

So, the Orthodox Patriarchal Encyclical of 1895 and LCG agree on that there was no immaculate

conception of Mary and the idea that she was "ever-Virgin Mary" "was unknown to the ancient Church."

Hence, this dogma is clearly an innovation.

Devotion to the Immaculate Heart?

A related innovation is that many added is devotion to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Yet, it should be noted that, while a cardinal, Pope Benedict XVI has claimed that the only scripturally-

appropriate devotion of the immaculate heart, essentiall is to imitate Mary as she imitated Christ

(Ratzinger J, Cardinal. Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. The Message of Fatima:

Theological Commentary.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_m

essage-fatima_en.html viewed 04/12/2011).

He did not teach the unscriptual notion that Lucia of Fatima did that "Devotion to the Immaculate Heart

of Mary is the means of salvation God has bestowed to help the Church and the world through these

difficult times" (Bertone, p. 56).

Catholics and non-Catholics should immediately realize that according to the Holy Bible it is only through

Jesus that and no other (including Mary) any can be saved:


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10 Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of

Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God hath raised from the dead, even by him this man standeth

here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was rejected by you the builders, which is become

the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under

heaven given to men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:10-12 DRB)

There is no salvation in any other (Acts 4:12). Offering an alternative is a false gospel (cf. Galatians

1:8). According to the Bible, those that who offer a false gospel should be accursed (Galatians 1:9,

NKJV) or anathema (DRB).

Traditional Catholics would also do well to consider that the type of veneration of Mary that many

Catholics now participate in is not only NOT found in the Holy Bible, it is also NOT found in the earliest

traditions of the church. This is well known to Catholic scholars, and here is some of what The CatholicEncyclopedia admits:

Devotion to Our Blessed Ladyis not contained, at least explicitly in the earlier forms of the Apostles

Creedwe do not meet with any clear traces of the cultus of the Blessed Virgin in the first Christian

centuries (Herbert Thurston. Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume

XV. Published 1912. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1912. Remy Lafort,

S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York).

The reason that there are no clear traces of the cultus associated with Mary is because it was not an

apostolic tradition nor from the Bible. Notice what Saint Jude urged Christians:

3...I was under a necessity to write unto you: to beseech you to contend earnestly for the faith once

delivered to the saints. (Jude 3, DRB)

Catholics and non-Catholics should immediately realize that according to the Holy Bible it is only through

Jesus that and no other (including Mary) any can be saved:

10 Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ of

Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God hath raised from the dead, even by him this man standeth

here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was rejected by you the builders, which is become the


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head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven

given to men, whereby we must be saved. (Acts 4:10-12 DRB)

There is no salvation in any other (Acts 4:12). Offering an alternative is a false gospel (cf. Galatians

1:8). According to the Bible, those that who offer a false gospel should be accursed (Galatians 1:9,

NKJV) or anathema (DRB). We are not to call on, or turn to, Mary, but on the Lord God Jesus:

22 But flee thou youthful desires, and pursue justice, faith, charity, and peace, with them that call on

the Lord out of a pure heart. (2 Timothy 2:22, DRB)

12 For there is no distinction of the Jew and the Greek: for the same is Lord over all, rich unto all that

call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, shall be saved. (Romans 10:12-13,

DRB)

20 But to them first that are at Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and unto all the country of Judea, and to

the Gentiles did I preach, that they should do penance, and turn to God, doing works worthy of

penance. (Acts 26:20, DRB)

No verse in the Bible says to pray to, turn to, or call upon, the name of Mary. Notice also that the onlytwo times the DRB uses the term intercession it is referring to Jesus, not Mary:

34 Who is he that shall condemn? Christ Jesus that died, yea that is risen also again; who is at the right

hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. (Romans 8:34, DRB)

25 Whereby he is able also to save for ever them that come to God by him; always living to make

intercession for us. (Hebrews 7:25, DRB)

Mary is not the intercessor of the Bible, nor was she considered to be by the early Christian church.

Considering that Mary provides intercession is not biblically-proper and has other negative

consequences.


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I have long warned that devotion to, and appearances of apparitions claiming to be, Mary are likely to

be factors in the coming ecumenical religion that will not be good. It not be good for the Orthodox, the

Protestants, nor the Vatican (Revelation 17:15-17).

Dogma 4: Assumption of Mary

August 15th is a holiday known as the Assumption of Mary. It is now also a Marian dogma that Mary was

bodily assumed into heaven (while most early writings indicated that she died first, some teach that she

did not--whether or not she was dead or alive is not currently part of the dogma).

The Catholic News Agency teaches:

4) The Assumption...This dogma has no direct basis in scripture. (The Four Marian Dogmas. Catholic

News Agency, http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resource.php?n=424 viewed 08/26/11)

One Catholic writer noted:

Many people, even Catholics, dont believe in the assumption of Mary. (Rozett E. Mother Mary and

the Goddess. http://www.interfaithmary.com/pages/mary_rosary.html, viewed 08/15/2011)

The belief in the Assumption of Marythe teaching that she did perhaps did not die but went directly

to heaven (or was her body was assumed into heaven at or after death)is based on assumption,

mysticism, and apparently compromise.

Saint Mary's tomb has been claimed to have been in both Jerusalem and Ephesus, which suggests, at

least, that it was believed that she died and was buried.

The Catholic Encyclopedia admits:


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Regarding the day, year, and manner of Our Ladys death, nothing certain is knownThe dates

assigned for it vary between three and fifteen years after Christs Ascension. Two cities claim to be the

place of her departure: Jerusalem and Ephesus. Common consent favours Jerusalem, where her tomb is

shown; but some argue in favour of Ephesus. The first six centuries did not know of the tomb of Mary at

Jerusalem. The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De

Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It

is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious

letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite.(Holweck, Frederick. The Feast of the Assumption. The

Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 2. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1907. 26 Aug. 201114 Aug. 2010

)

So, according to The Catholic Encyclopedia the basis for the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary

is founded on the apocryphal texts which were claimed to be written by people (like the Apostle John

and Melito of Sardis) who did not write them. This makes no sense as a source for any dogma people

would hold to be true. Also, if the body of Mary was assumed into heaven 3-15 years after Christs

ascension in the Book of Acts, then why is it not mentioned in sacred scripture? All the books of the

New Testament were written at least 5 years after Jesus ascension and the last book (Revelation) was

apparently written over 60 years laterhence if this is a doctrine that God wanted His people to accept,

why is it not specifically mentioned in the Bible? The Catholic writer Epiphanius, in the late fourth

century, wrote:

Perhaps this [Rev. 12:13-14] can be applied to her; I cannot decide for certain, and I am not saying

that she remained immortal. But neither am I saying that she died. (Panarion of Epiphanius, 78.11.4. Ascited in Shoemaker S. The Ancient Traditions of the Virgin Marys Dormition and Assumption. Oxford

University Press, 2006, p. 12)

Notice what a Catholic translation of the scripture Epiphanius referred to actually states:

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman, who

brought forth the man child: 14 And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that shemight fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time,

from the face of the serpent. (Revelation 12:13-14, DRB).

Notice that the woman goes to the desert and here she is nourished for a time and times, and half

a time. Heaven is NOT a desert. Also understand that Catholic scholars tend to correctly believe that


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the expression a time and times, and half a time refers to 3 1/2 years in this passage (and even if that

was in error, this is a finite period of time, not nearly two thousand years). Thus, it makes no sense that

Revelation 12:13-14 could possibly apply to Mary. Epiphanius should have been able to decide for

certain that it did not, around 400 years after she was born. It should be clear that the idea of Marys

assumption was not a dogmatic belief centuries after she would likely have been expected to have

died.

Of course, the Bible was clear in the mid-late 1st century that only Jesus had immortality:

13 I charge thee before God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who gave testimony

under Pontius Pilate, a good confession, 14 That thou keep the commandment without spot, blameless,

unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Which in his times he shall shew who is the Blessed and

only Mighty, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, and inhabiteth lightinaccessible, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and empire everlasting. Amen.

(1 Timothy 6:13-16, DRB)

The above was written in approximately 63 A.D. (Ryrie Study Bible, p. 1847). That is more than 3-15

years after Jesus's ascension, and if Mary had obtained immortality by then, Saint Paul should have

mentioned that, but he did not.

Now I have often used the Catholic-approved Douay-Rheims translation in this article to show that these

ideas have support even within Catholic-approved writings. If Mary was immortal then, then the Apostle

Paul would not have been inspired to write that.

Concerning Mary, the Catholic saint Augustine wrote of her death (Augustine. Tractates on the Gospel

of John (Augustine) > Tractate 8, Chapter 9. Translated by John Gibb. From Nicene and Post-Nicene

Fathers, First Series, Vol. 7. Edited by Philip Schaff. (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Publishing Co.,

1888.) Revised and edited for New Advent by Kevin Knight.). Thus, the idea of Mary dying was an old concept.

Dr. Douglas Winnail made the following observation:


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The Bible never refers to Marys... Assumptionthe doctrine that Mary was bodily transported to

heaven. Rather, Scripture clearly states that no one has ascended to heaven except Jesus (John 3:13).

(Winnail DS. The Lady of Nations. Tomorrows World, LCG Magazine. Nov-Dec 2003).

So where did the idea of Marys assumption come from? Basically, from apocryphal literature in the

fourth century (or possibly as early as the late third century)but mainly even later than that. Although

Epiphanius tried to investigate it, he was uncertain as to when it really first developed.

Interestingly, the ancient Romans had a 1-3 day festival for the goddess Diana. On the first day she

allegedly came to earth and on the third day, August 15, they apparently celebrated her assumption into

heaven as the queen of heaven. This is the same day of the Catholic feast of the assumption of Mary.

Some do not consider this to be coincidental. (Green CMC. Roman religion and the cult of Diana at

Aricia, Volume 0, Issues 521-85150. Cambridge University Press, 2007, p. 62; Frazer JG. The Magic Artand the Evolution of Kings V1, Volume 1. Kessinger Publishing, 2006, pp. 14-17). Diana was known as

the revered virgin (Fischer-Hansen T, Poulsen B. From Artemis to Diana: the goddess of man and

beast. Museum Tusculanum Press, 2009, p. 56) and the Lady Artemis (Davidson HE. Roles of the

northern goddess. Psychology Press, 1998, p. 18); also as the virgin (Morford MPO, Lenardon RJ.

Classical mythology, 6th edition. Oxford University Press US, 1999, p. 141).

There is a suspected connection between Diana and how many view Mary (Fischer-Hansen, p. 49). Yet,

the Catholic saint Augustine specifically referred to Diana as one of several false and lying deities

(Augustine. The Harmony of the Gospels, Book I, Chapter 25. Translated by S.D.F. Salmond. From

Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, First Series, Vol. 6. Edited by Philip Schaff. (Buffalo, NY: Christian

Literature Publishing Co., 1888.) Revised and edited for New Advent by Kevin Knight.

). Hence, it would seem wise that Catholics

consider the wisdom in observing the date of her claimed assumption into heaven.

Marys assumption apparently became more of an issue after the death of Mohammed. Wikipedia

notes:

John of Damascus, from this period, is the first church authority to advocate the doctrine under his

own name; he had been brought up in an environment in which a corporeal ascent of Muhammed into

heaven was official policy, since he, and his father before him, held the post of imperial chancellor of the

Islamic empire of the Umayyads, and Muhammeds ascent into heaven is the subject of the Night


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Journey, a Surah in the Quran. His contemporaries, Gregory of Tours and Modestus of Jerusalem, helped

promote the concept to the wider church.

So, it may be that the assumption became a Catholic-equivalent of not only the pagan Diana, but the

Muslim Muhammed. Furthermore, perhaps I should mention that Muslims teach that Muhammed's

daughter Fatima also was assumed into heaven. Some have considered that how certain Muslims

venerate Fatima is very similar to how some Catholics venerate Mary.

Of course, since Mary is mentioned in the Quran, there is some Islamic veneration of her as well.

A Catholic writer posted:

The occasion and the site are sacred to Muslims and Christians alike. Every Sunday at least some

Muslims come here before Hazreti Meryem Ana, Her Majesty Mother Mary and attend mass.

(Rozett E. Mother Mary and the Goddess. http://www.interfaithmary.com/pages/mary_Islam.html,

viewed 08/15/2011)

Apparently because the Muslims claimed that Muhammed (and Fatima), and Greco-Romans that the

goddess Diana, went to directly to heaven, certain Catholics began to promote the idea about Mary in a

widespread manner.

However, it should be pointed out that even the place of the assumption changed. Wikipedia reports:

In some versions of the story the event is said to have taken place in Ephesus, in the House of theVirgin Mary, although this is a much more recent and localized tradition. The earliest traditions all locate

the end of Marys life in Jerusalem


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So, the earliest accounts claimed Jerusalem, but that was later changed to Ephesus by some. If Mary

died 3-15 years after Jesus, then she likely did not die in the area near Ephesus. Another article in The

Catholic Encyclopedia mentions:

As to tradition, there is some testimony for Marys temporary residence in or near Ephesus, but the

evidence for her permanent home in Jerusalem is much stronger In Panaghia Kapoli, on a hill about

nine or ten miles distant from Ephesus, was discovered a house, or rather its remains, in which Mary is

supposed to have lived. The house was found, as it had been sought, according to the indications given

by Catherine Emmerich in her life of the Blessed Virgin In 451 Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, testified to

the presence of Marys tomb in JerusalemAnother witness for the existence of a tradition placing the

tomb of Mary in Gethsemani is the basilica erected above the sacred spot, about the end of the fourth

or the beginning of the fifth century It has been seen that we have no absolute certainty as to the

place in which Mary lived after the day of Pentecost. Though it is more probable that she remained

uninterruptedly in or near Jerusalem, she may have resided for a while in the vicinity of Ephesus, and

this may have given rise to the tradition of her Ephesian death and burial. There is still less historical

information concerning the particular incidents of her life. (Maas, Anthony. The Blessed Virgin Mary.

The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 15. New York: Robert Appleton Company, 1912. 26 Aug. 201114 Aug.

2010 )

Of course, the presence of a tomb suggests that one was buried within it, not assumed directly to

heaven. Others have claimed her body left the tomb:

In the eighth century, St. John Damascene was known for giving sermons at the holy places in

Jerusalem. At the Tomb of Mary, he expressed the belief of the Church on the meaning of the feast:

Although the body was duly buried, it did not remain in the state of death, neither was it dissolved by

decay. . . . You were transferred to your heavenly home, O Lady, Queen and Mother of God in truth.

(Stevens C, Priest. Assumption of Mary. Catholic Heritage, July-August 1996.

http://www.ewtn.com/library/answers/aofmary.htm)

S. Shoemaker also claims that the earliest accounts of the assumption state it occurred in Jerusalem, butlater Ephesus:

Nevertheless, the earliest evidence of any such belief appears only in the ninth century, in a Syriac

manuscript, copied in 874 which reports that Mary accompanied John to Ephesus, where she died and


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was buried. (Shoemaker S. The Ancient Traditions of the Virgin Marys Dormition and Assumption.

Oxford University Press, 2006, p. 75)

The idea that Marys house was specifically in Ephesus allegedly began to gain acceptance because of

visions that the mystic nun Anne Catherine Emmerich claimed to have had in the early 19th century.

Because of her visions,one or more priests went to Ephesus and found a house apparently matching her

descriptions (Shoemaker, p. 76). Some in the local area confirmed the location as Marys last house. And

while some may claim that is proof it was Marys home, I should also add that Anne Catherine Emmerich

claimed to have seen Limbo in her visions, yet the current Pontiff (Benedict XVI) has indicated that there

is no such place as Limbo (What is Limbo? Is There Such a Place as Limbo? What Happens to Babies

When They Die?). Despite this, on October 3, 2004 Anne Catherine Emmerich was beatified by Pope

John Paul II.

But irrespective of what location may have been Marys house, the historical accuracy of the

assumption of Mary, is at best an assumption that seems to contradict scripture. Although some have

claimed that the apostles originally reported the assumption there do not appear to be any pre-fourth

century documents that state this (and even the apostolic claim was from testimony in the mid-fifth

century by Juvenal, see The Catholic Encyclopedia Assumption of Mary).

The assumption position mainly seems to be have been accepted because people want to believe it as

opposed to basing it upon reliable historical documentation:

In view of the striking absence of early historical evidence, the Vatican proceeded to establish the

Assumption dogma primarily on a dogmatic rather than a historical basis. It was determined that despite

the complete lack of any historical evidence for early belief in the Virgins Assumption, the dogma

should still be proclaimed(Shoemaker S. The Ancient Traditions of the Virgin Marys Dormition and

Assumption. Oxford University Press, 2006, p. 15)

Wikipedia also noted:

Protestant theologianscite the fact that the idea did not gain acceptance in the church until the sixth

century, after Gregory of Tours accepted the apocryphal work Transitus Beatae MariaeCatholic

theologian Ludwig Ott stated, The idea of the bodily assumption of Mary isfirst expressed in certain

transitus-narratives of the fifth and sixth centuries. The first Church author to speak of the bodily


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assumption of Mary, in association with an apocryphal transitus B.M.V., is St. Gregory of Tours.The

Catholic writer Eamon Duffy goes further, conceding that there is, clearly, no historical evidence

whatever for it.

In Ludwig Otts Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma he states that the fact of her death is almost

generally accepted by the Fathers and Theologians, and is expressly affirmed in the Liturgy of the

Church, to which he adduces a number of helpful citations, and concludes that for Mary, death, in

consequence of her freedom from original sin and from personal sin, was not a consequence of

punishment of sin. However, it seems fitting that Marys body, which was by nature mortal, should be,

in conformity with that of her Divine Son, subject to the general law of deathThe point of her bodily

death has not been infallibly defined, and many believe that she did not die at all, but was assumed

directly into Heaven. The dogmatic definition within the Apostolic Constitution Munificentissimus Deus

which, according to Roman Catholic dogma, infallibly proclaims the doctrine of the Assumption leaves

open the question whether, in connection with her departure, Mary underwent bodily death; that is, it

does not dogmatically define the point one way or the other, as shown by the words having completed

the course of her earthly lifeMany Catholics also believe that Mary first died before being assumed,

but they add that she was miraculously resurrected before being assumedThis doctrine was

dogmatically and infallibly defined by Pope Pius XII on November 1, 1950, in his Apostolic Constitution

Munificentissimus Deus.

The holiday, then, is an assumption based upon mystic literature like the Transitus Mariae, essentially

combined with a dogmatic declaration in 1950.

Now, the Transitus Mary was allegedly an account from an apparition claiming to be Mary. Yet, Catholics

need to realize that in the early 6th century, a papal decree, Decretum Gelasianum, classified the

Transitus Mariae writings as apocryphal (The Transitus Mariae Non-canonical Account of Marys passing.

http://www.bibleprobe.com/transitusmariae.htm). Anyway, the Transitus Mariae claims that John was

in Ephesus and the Holy Spirit transported him to Mary in Bethlehem (Smith Lewis A. Apocrypha syriaca:

the Protevangelium Jacobi and Transitus Mariae, with texts from the Septuagint, the Corn, the Peshita,

and from a Syriac hymm in a Syro-Arabic palimpsest of the fifth and other centuries. C.J. Clay and sons,

1902, p. 25) and that Mary was taken in to heaven from her house in Bethlehem (p. 33) and that was

within the jurisdiction of the governor of Jerusalem (p. 36).

Now, having been to Ephesus a couple of times, I would like mention the Islamic Turks in that area

actually do celebrate the assumption of Mary as well. Not because it is mentioned in the Quran (it


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does not seem to be), but because Mary is mentioned in the Quran more times than Jesus. Certain

Muslims venerate Mary to a degree.

Perhaps I should add that August 15th is considered by certain Catholics to be Marys heavenly

birthday. However, perhaps it should be pointed out that early Christians did not observe birthdays

(Did Early Christians Celebrate Birthdays?), hence the birthday into heaven position also was not a

position of early Christians.

Notice what the Catholic news agency Zenit reported on the dogma:

Why adogmatic pronouncement on the Assumption? Because the Vicar of Christwas inspired to do

so to bring forth a new outpouring of grace for the Church through the intercession of the Queen of

Heaven the Mediatrix of all graces who was newly honored by a solemn papal proclamation of her

parting earthly prerogative

One objection voiced during the months preceding the 1950 definition by a group of theologians was

that the new Marian definition would wreak havoc to ecumenical efforts newly initiated with other

Christians. The late Cardinal Edouard Gagnon who lived through the years preceding and proceeding the

Assumption definition, repeatedly testified to the opposite that immediately following the papal

proclamation of Our Ladys Assumption, the Church experienced its greatest ever advancement in

ecumenism in Church history up to its time, which consequently led to its historic flourishing at the

Second Vatican Council.

Mothers unite. They do not divide. (Our Lady and Dogmas: Pondering the Assumption. ZE10081612

2010-08-16. Permalink: http://www.zenit.org/article-30069?l=english)

So, the dogma is for the eventual ecumenical plans of the Church of Rome. But it was not an original

dogma (it was adopted in 1950), it is in conflict with sacred scripture, and it was not an original apostolic

tradition.

Proposed Dogma 5: Co-Redemptrix

Some have wanted the Church of Rome to adopt a fifth Marian dogma to give Mary the title of co-

redemptrix. One of the strongest advocates was Lucia of Fatima.


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The Bible tells of only one redeemer, and the Redeemer is male:

25 For I know that my Redeemer liveth...(Job 19:25a, DRB)

34 Their redeemer is strong, the Lord of hosts is his name (Jeremiah 50:34a, DRB)

16...I am the Lord thy Saviour, and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob. (Isaiah 60:16b, DRB)

Furthermore, on this co-redemptrix title for Mary, Cardinal Bertone wrote:

One of the main ideas of Sister Lucias book (which, I should add, she presents in a very somber

fashion) is that the Church ought to acknowledge Mary as the Co-redemptrix of humanityBoth the

Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith and the Pontifical International Marian Academy had already

raised some critical points about the idea of co-redemption. (Bertone T Cardinal, with De Carli,

Guiseppe. The Last Secret of Fatima. Doubleday, 2008, p. 35)

Of course, if this were to be adopted in the 21st century, it too would clearly be an innovation that was

not part of the Bible nor the original apostolic traditions. Some have proposed "co-mediatrix."

From isle of Ireland, Dr. Douglas Winnail wrote of a related title:

In the last century, apparitions and their supporters have promoted Mary as the "Mediatrix of All

Mercies" (thus diminishing Jesus Christ's true role as revealed in the Bible), and as the "Queen of Peace,"

though the Bible never refers to her this way. (Winnail D. The Lady of Nations. Tomorrows World, Nov-

Dec 2003, pp. 24-28)

The Bible teaches:


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5 For there is one God, and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus: 6 Who gave himself a

redemption for all, a testimony in due times.(1 Timothy 2:5-6, DRB)

The biblical fact that there is ONE mediator, who is Jesus, means that there is not another, like Mary.

This historically has been the teaching in the true Church of God (and this was also confirmed, for

example, in 1705 via William Gibson, September 8, 1705; Cited in Dugger AN, Dodd CO, pp. 275-277).

The Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma states in its section about Mary being the Mediatrix, Express

scriptural proofs are lacking (Ott, p. 214).

Thus, Catholics who do not wish to deviate from what the Bible teaches would do well not to promote

non-biblical titles and attributes to Mary. Furthermore, the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma teaches:

The mystical interpretationbecame prominent in the West in the late Middle Ages...Express

testimonies, though few in number, to Marys position as mediatrix of grace are found since the eighth

century. (Ott, p. 214)

Notice that calling Mary the mediatrix of grace was not from the Bible, was espoused by few, and that

no one really started promoting it until the 8th century. Surely this shows that it WAS NOT a belief ofthe early church. The fact that Lcia de Fatima wanted it promoted surely shows that she was not

keeping with the teachings of the Bible nor the practices of the early church. (More on the apparitions

can be found in the article Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the Apparitions.)

Concluding Comments on the 'Dogmas of Saint Mary'

Marian dogmas (other than the virgin birth) and Marian devotion were absolutely not part of the

original apostolic faith that the saints were given. The true Christian faith was not to be changed by

heresies often called innovations.

None of the four dogmas for the one known as Saint Mary, mother of Jesus, were original. As far as can

be reasonably determined, all originally came from falsified documents, seers of apparitions who

reported error, and/or pagan practices. The fifth proposed one has similar problems and origins. None

came from the Bible nor were the part of the earliest traditions of the church.


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Nor, perhaps it should be added, are statues of Mary--they were not part of the original apostolic

traditions (What Did the Early Church Teach About Idols and Icons?). (More on Mary statues can be

found in the article Mary, the Mother of Jesus and the Apparitions).

Basically, Catholic and secular history shows that there was opposition to certain titles and practices

various heretics introduced about Mary. The opposers were often Catholic bishops, Catholic saints,

Catholic scholars, as well as Christians with and/or who supported, original apostolic practices. Despite

the opposition, many of those heretical titles and practices later became adopted as traditions, despite

the fact that they were innovations, as not early apostolic traditions.

Of the early saints, Mary ended up with more titles than any by the Greco-Romans. Yet, there is nothing

in scripture nor in the earliest (non-falsified) writings that suggested that early Christians honored her

more than saints, like for example, the Apostle John.

For more information, consider checking out Fatima Shock! What the Vatican Does Not Want You to

Know About Fatima, Dogmas of Mary, and Future Apparitions. Whether or not you believe anything

happened at Fatima, if you live long enough, you will be affected by its ramifications (cf. Isaiah 47;

Revelation 17). Fatima Shock! is a highly documented book by Bob Thiel for those interested in the real

truth about Fatima, Marian doctrines, and how apparitions may affect the future.

Thiel Bob, Ph.D. Origin of the Marian Dogmas: Where Do Catholic Scholars Say The Four Dogmas of Mary

Came From? www.cogwriter.com/saint-mary-dogmas.htm (c) 2011/2012 0511

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