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C O MM IT T EE M E MB ER S P RE S EN T

A r th ur H. R os en f el d, Co mm i ss io n er , P re si d in g M e mb er

R o be rt P er ne l l, C o mm is s io ne r , As s oc ia t e Me m be r

E l le n T ow ns e nd -S m it h, Co mm i ss io n er A d vi so r

J o hn W i ll ia m s, C o mm is s io ne r A dv i so r

G ar et S he an , H ea r in g O ff ic e r

M a jo r W il li a ms , J r. , H ea ri n g Of f ic er

S T AF F P RE SE N T

A r le ne I ch ie n , As s is ta n t Ch i ef C o un se l

P a ul K r am er

J a ck C as we l l

P U BL IC AD VI S ER

R o be rt a M en do n ca , P ub li c A dv i se r

M a ri a K ra pc e vi ch , A ss i st an t P ub l ic A d vi se r

A P PL IC A NT

E d B la ck f or d, Si te Ma na g er , A ES


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I N D E X

P ag e

P r oc ee d in gs 1

P r es id i ng M e mb er ’ s Op e ni ng Re ma r ks 1

H e ar in g O ff i ce r’ s P re s en ta t io n 2

A p pl ic a nt ’s Pr es e nt at i on 1 3

C o mm is s io n S ta ff Pr es e nt at i on 2 1

P u bl ic Ad vi s er ’s Pr es e nt at i on 2 8

C i ty o f H un t in gt o n Be a ch a n d Lo c al A g en cy Co mm e nt s

P a m J ul ie n H ou ch e n, M a yo r 3 2

B i ll W o rk ma n A s si st a nt C i ty A d mi ni s tr at o r 3 6

D u an e O ls en , F ir e M ar s ha l 3 7

M a lc ol m C . W ei ss , S pe c ia l C ou ns e l, Ci ty of H u nt in g to n B ea ch 4 2

M a tt he w L am b Ci ty of H u nt in g to n B ea ch 4 7

P u bl ic Qu es t io ns an d C om me n ts

M i ch ae l S ca vo , B us i ne ss Ag en t Lo ca l 2 50 5 0

E d K er in s , Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h T om or r ow 5 6

J o hn S c ot t, So ut h ea st Hu nt i ng to n Be ac h N ei g hb or h oo d A ss oc i at io n 5 8

M a rk W ol fe , C UR E 62

D o n Mc G ee 6 6

D o n Sc h ul z, S ur fr i de r F ou nd a ti on 70

D o ug la s W il l ia ms , I ro n wo rk e rs L o ca l 4 33 7 2


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I N D E X

P ag e

P u bl ic Qu es t io ns an d C om me n ts ( c on ti n ue d)

S t an S to se l , IB E W Lo c al 4 7 73

J i m B er ke y , IB E W Lo c al 4 4 1 7 7

R a nd y K ok al 8 0

G e or ge Ma so n , So u th ea s t Hu n ti ng t on Be ac h N ei g hb or h oo d A ss oc i at io n 8 2

D e an A lb ri g ht , B ol sa C hi ca La nd Tr us t 8 6

R o bi n T ay lo r , Re a lt or 8 9

D i an e L en ni n g 9 0

E d wa rd (E dd i e) B a rn es , L oc a l Un i on 2 5 0 9 6

A rm id a B ra sh e ar s 1 02

R i ch ar d L oy 1 0 4

I r wi n H ay do c k 10 6

M o ni ca G al lu c ci o, Ch ri s ti na G al lu c ci o, an d S op hi a G al lu c ci o 1 1 3

F r ed G al lu c ci o 1 17

C o nn ie B oa rd m an , M em be r , Ci t y Co u nc il 1 23

L i nd a S co tt 12 8

R o be rt a M en do n ca , P ub li c A dv i se r 1 3 0

J a n V an De r sl oo t 13 2

C l os in g C om m en ts 13 5

A d jo ur n me nt 13 9

C e rt if i ca te of R e po rt e r 14 0


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1 P R O C E E D I N G S

2 P R ES ID I NG M E MB ER RO SE N FE LD : We ha ve tw o

3 C a li fo r ni a E ne rg y C om m is si o ne rs he re to ni g ht . I’ m

4 A r t R os en f el d, th e P re si d in g M em be r o f t hi s

5 h e ar in g . A n d wi t h me is C o mm is s io ne r R ob e rt

6 P er ne l l.

7 I ’ m a r oo ki e h er e , an d a ls o I h a ve t o

8 l e av e a t 7: 3 0 to ca tc h a p l an e f or W a sh in g to n, so

9 I ’ m go i ng t o s ay a fe w w or d s, a n d wh e n I l ea ve at

1 0 7 : 30 R o be rt P er ne l l wi l l ke e p yo u g oi n g.

1 1 W e h av e t wo He ar i ng O f fi ce r s he r e. O n

1 2 m y r ig h t is G ar et S he an , w ho ’ s go i ng t o s ta r t of f

1 3 r u nn in g t hi n gs , a nd M a jo r W il li a ms .

1 4 O n m y l ef t i s Jo h n Wi l so n, my a d vi so r ,

1 5 a n d so m ew he r e on my r i gh t i s E ll ie T ow ns e nd -S m it h,

1 6 C o mm is s io ne r P er ne l l’ s a dv is o r.

1 7 I ’ m ho n or ed to s e e th a t we ha ve Ma yo r

1 8 P a m J ul ie n H ou ch e n he r e, f r om H u nt in g to n B ea ch ,

1 9 a n d se v er al Ci ty Co un c il m e mb er s . W e ’r e h on or e d.

2 0 S o t he En er g y Co m mi ss i on i s t he ag en c y

2 1 t h at h a nd le s t he pe rm i tt in g o f l ar ge po we r p la n ts

2 2 i n t he St at e o f C al if o rn ia . On De ce m be r 1 st , A ES

2 3 f i le d a n ap p li ca t io n w it h t he C o mm is s io n t o ob t ai n

2 4 a li ce n se t o r et o ol U n it s 3 a nd 4 of it s

2 5 H u nt in g to n B ea ch Ge ne r at in g S ta t io n t o pr o du ce 45 0


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1 b a dl y n ee de d m eg a wa tt s o f e le ct r ic it y .

2 A t t od a y’ s h ea ri n g we ar e g oi ng to t r y

3 t o p ro v id e y ou i n fo rm a ti on ab ou t t he pl an t , at

4 l e as t t he y a re . We ’r e g oi n g to de sc r ib e t he

5 C o mm is s io n’ s l ic e ns in g p ro c es se s i n r ev ie w in g t he

6 a p pl ic a ti on , a nd we ’l l h av e l oa d s of qu es t io ns

7 f r om t h e pu b li c, I’ m s ur e.

8 S o , G ar et S he an , a re yo u r ea dy to

9 p r es id e ?

1 0 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : La d ie s a nd

1 1 g e nt le m en , I w an t ed t o c om e o ut he re be ca u se w e

1 2 h a ve s o me i n tr od u ct io n s be y on d t ho se wh o a re h e re

1 3 a t t he da is . An d t o j us t g iv e y ou a fe el fo r w ha t

1 4 i s g oi n g to ha pp e n to d ay , a nd w h at i s g oi n g on in

1 5 t h e en t ir et y o f t he p r oc ee d in gs .

1 6 W e ’r e h er e u nd er un iq u e an d , I t hi nk ,

1 7 v e ry c h al le n gi ng ci rc u ms ta n ce s f or t h e En e rg y

1 8 C o mm is s io n. W e w an t t o la y b as i ca ll y a ll th e

1 9 c a rd s o ut f o r yo u , an d m ak e s ur e t he y ’r e a ll f a ce

2 0 u p s o y ou u n de rs t an d w ha t w e’ re de al i ng w i th , a nd

2 1 w e w an t y ou th en to g i ve u s t he ki nd of f e ed ba c k

2 2 t h at i s i mp o rt an t f or th e c om mu n it y t o te l l us

2 3 w i th r e ga rd to t h e li c en si n g ap p li ca t io n b y AE S .

2 4 A s C om m is si o ne r R os en f el d s ai d, AE S

2 5 f i le d t he ir ap pl i ca ti o n in De ce m be r. I t w as c l ea r


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1 t h at t h ey c o nt em p la te d t ha t t he r e wo u ld b e t he

2 s t an da r d Co m mi ss i on 1 2 -m on t h pr o ce ed i ng . An d i n

3 e a rl y F eb ru a ry , a t a B us in e ss M e et in g o f t he

4 C o mm is s io n, th e d oc um e nt w a s ac c ep te d a s d at a

5 a d eq ua t e by a vo t e of fo ur to o n e. A nd s h or tl y

6 t h er ea f te r, al mo s t da y s th e re af t er , t he G o ve rn o r

7 o f t he St at e o f C al if o rn ia de cl a re d a s ta t e of

8 e m er ge n cy , a nd e v er yt h in g t ha t w as o p er at i ng b y

9 s t an da r d pr o ce du r es i s n ow op er a ti ng by e m er ge n cy

1 0 p r oc ed u re s.

1 1 T h e Go v er no r ’s O f fi ce an d t ho se wh o w or k

1 2 i n t he st at e e ne r gy b u si ne s s be g an t o l oo k f or

1 3 o p po rt u ni ti e s fo r t he st at e t o p ro vi d e pe a ki ng

1 4 p o we r i n an t ic ip a ti on of a de fi c it o f s om e th in g o n

1 5 t h e or d er o f 5 ,0 0 0 me g aw at t s fo r t he su mm e r of

1 6 2 0 01 . Th is pa rt i cu la r p ro j ec t h er e, wh ic h i s a

1 7 r ep ow e r, a p pe ar e d to pr ov i de a p pr ox i ma te l y 45 0

1 8 m e ga wa t ts .

1 9 I t ’s m y u nd e rs ta n di ng , a nd th is is

2 0 h e ar sa y , fo r a ll th e r es t o f yo u l aw y er s, th at a

2 1 q u er y w en t o ut t o A ES to d e te rm i ne w h et he r o r n ot

2 2 t h ey c o ul d p ro vi d e po w er t o t he gr id in C a li fo r ni a

2 3 s o me ti m e in th e s um me r o f 2 00 1. T he i r an s we r w as

2 4 w e h ad pl an n ed o n 9 0 d ay s o f co n st ru c ti on in a n y

2 5 e v en t. I f w e ca n b e l ic en s ed w i th s u ff ic i en t


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1 r a pi di t y, w e b el i ev e t ha t w e ca n g et on li n e fo r

2 t h e su m me r o f 20 0 1.

3 W i th t h at , t he G o ve rn o r’ s d ec la r at io n s

4 o f e me r ge nc y g av e c er t ai n a ut ho r it y t o th e

5 C o mm is s io n w it h r es pe c t no t o nl y t o p ea ki n g

6 p l an ts , a nd th is is a wh ol l y di f fe re n t cl a ss , a s

7 w e ll a s r ep ow e rs . So w e ’r e h er e u nd er

8 c i rc um s ta nc e s th a t we di dn ’ t ex p ec t w he n t hi s w as

9 f i le d. A ES I do n ’t t h in k e xp ec t ed , o r di d n ot

1 0 p l an o n t he m . A n d we ’ re q u it e s ur e t he C i ty o f

1 1 H u nt in g to n B ea ch an d m os t o f yo u d id n ’t , e it he r .

1 2 B u t th a t’ s o ur s i tu at i on . An d i f it is

1 3 p o ss ib l e to do i t , it is c l ea r t ha t o pe ra t in g

1 4 u n de r t he G o ve rn o r’ s e me rg e nc y a ut ho r it y, th e

1 5 C o mm is s io n i s to , i f i n th e a bs e nc e o f an y f at a l

1 6 f l aw f o r th i s fa c il it y , mo v e it to wa r d li c en si n g,

1 7 a n d th e n it ’ s up to A E S to co ns t ru ct it .

1 8 T h at p u ts t h e Co m mi ss i on , b ot h t he

1 9 d e ci si o n ma k in g p or ti o n of th e C om mi s si on an d t he

2 0 C o mm is s io n S ta ff , w ho ar e d ow n h er e i n th e f ir s t

2 1 r o w, i n a v e ry u n us ua l p os i ti on . Or d in ar i ly , w e

2 2 h a ve a p pr ox i ma te l y 12 mo nt h s to ga th e r a l ar ge

2 3 a m ou nt of d a ta . Th is is t h e ki n d of fi li n g th a t

2 4 w e o rd i na ri l y ge t f ro m a n a pp li c an t, an d t ha t’ s

2 5 u s ua ll y b ac k ed u p b y a no th e r vo l um e’ s w or t h of


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1 i n fo rm a ti on an d a s et of q u es ti o ns a s ke d b y th e

2 S t af f.

3 W e d on ’ t ha v e th e l ux u ry o f t im e u nd e r

4 t h es e c ir cu m st an c es t o d o t ha t. S o w e’ re

5 l i te ra l ly i n t he po si t io n w he re we h a ve t o c om b in e

6 a co mb i na ti o n of in fo r ma ti o n th a t we ca n o bt ai n

7 f r om A E S, p l us t h e co m bi ne d e xp e ri en c e of th e

8 S t af f o f th e E ne r gy C o mm is s io n. I n m y ca s e, I ’ ve

9 b e en t h er e f or a l mo st 25 y e ar s. A nd ma ny of t h e

1 0 s t af f w ho a r e he r e to n ig ht ha ve be en th er e a s

1 1 l o ng , o r ne a rl y a s lo n g.

1 2 A n d co m bi ni n g th e i nf o rm at i on t h at w e

1 3 c a n ge t , an d w ha t w e k no w a bo ut th is ty pe of

1 4 f a ci li t y fr o m th e e xp e ri en c e th a t we ’ ve h a d

1 5 b e fo re , p lu s t he mo re re ce n t ex p er ie n ce w e ’v e h ad

1 6 w i th s o me o t he r s ea si d e ty p e pr o je ct s i n M or ro Ba y

1 7 a n d Mo s s La n di ng , a nd an ot h er o n e in El S eg un d o

1 8 w h ic h w il l b e on g oi ng , t he id ea he re is t o c om e t o

1 9 y o u as th e t hi rd ma jo r s ou r ce o f t he be st

2 0 i n fo rm a ti on th at we c a n pu t t og e th er to m a ke s u re

2 1 t h at w e h av e d el i be ra t ed a n y ac t io n t ha t w e ca n

2 2 t a ke a s t ho r ou gh l y as po ss i bl e i n th e t im e w e h av e

2 3 a v ai la b le . An d w e ha v e an t ic ip a te d t ho se th in g s

2 4 w h ic h e ss en t ia ll y m ay oc cu r a nd fo r w hi ch we n e ed

2 5 t o w ri t e co n di ti o ns s o t ha t i f t he y d o oc c ur , t he


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1 A p pl ic a nt ’s co nd u ct i s g ui d ed b y s om e s or t o f b ot h

2 r e as on , a s w el l a s a r ul e a s to wh at th ey ’ re t o

3 d o .

4 T h e co n di ti o n as p ec t o f th i s, I th in k ,

5 i s g oi n g to be t h e mo s t un u su al pa rt , b ec a us e

6 o r di na r il y, as I sa y, we g e t to de li b er at e i n

7 a d va nc e a nd es ta b li sh al l t he f a ct s i n ad v an ce .

8 N o w we ’ re g o in g t o be , a nd I th i nk y o u ma y h ea r

9 t h e St a ff s a y th i s, b a ck l o ad in g t he co nd i ti on s

1 0 i n st ea d o f f ro nt lo ad i ng t h e co n di ti o ns . If X

1 1 o c cu rs , w e w an t t hi s t o ha p pe n. I f Y o cc u rs , t hi s

1 2 i s t o h ap pe n .

1 3 T h at w a y, w e t hi n k th i s of f er s t he b e st

1 4 p r ot ec t io n n ot o n ly f o r th e c om m un it y a nd th e

1 5 e n vi ro n me nt , a nd th en do es th e j ob t h at t h e

1 6 g o ve rn o r an d t he pe op l e of th e S ta te of C a li fo r ni a

1 7 s e em t o h av e g iv e n to us , w hi ch is t o d o o ur v e ry

1 8 b e st t o p ro v id e a v ia b le r e so ur c e to th e p ub li c

1 9 f o r th e s um m er o f 2 00 1 , an d f or so me pe ri o d

2 0 t h er ea f te r.

2 1 S o w ha t w e’ r e go i ng t o g et to ni g ht i s a

2 2 p r es en t at io n i ni t ia ll y b y t he A p pl ic a nt . Th ey ’ re

2 3 g o in g t o we i gh i n t he i r pr o je ct to y o u. A nd m a ny

2 4 o f y ou we re at t h e si t e vi s it e a rl ie r i n t he d a y.

2 5 T h e St a ff i s g oi n g to fo ll o w up wi th an


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1 e x pl an a ti on of h o w th e y op e ra te in de p en de n tl y o f

2 t h e de c is io n m ak e rs i n o ur pr oc e ss t o p ro v id e t he

3 b e st t e ch ni c al i n fo rm a ti on th at we c a n to ba se ou r

4 d e ci si o ns o n . A n d th e y wi l l al s o id e nt if y f or yo u

5 t h e is s ue s t ha t o ur S t af f h as t o d at e f ou n d ar e o f

6 i m po rt a nc e t o th e - - t o th e c om m un it y .

7 N o w, l e t me sa y, we a l re ad y h av e a

8 f a ir ly go od id ea of w h y yo u ’r e h er e a nd w h at i s o f

9 c o nc er n t o y ou . An d i t’ s i mp or t an t t o ge t a l o t

1 0 o f t he de ta i ls , a nd I ’ m su r e we ’ re g o in g t o ge t

1 1 s o me o f t he pa ss i on a n d so m e of th e c on ce r n ai r ed

1 2 t o ni gh t .

1 3 W e k no w , fo r e xa m pl e, ab ou t t he wa te r

1 4 i s su e. T he qu es t io n o f th e c lo s ur e o f th e

1 5 b e ac he s , an d w he t he r o r no t t he ad di t io n o f a

1 6 t h er ma l p lu m e fr o m th i s un i t, p l us t h e o ut fa l l

1 7 f r om t h e wa s te wa t er t r ea tm e nt p l an t a re c o mb in i ng

1 8 t o c re a te a ci rc u ms ta n ce w h ic h f or y o u, a s a

1 9 c o mm un i ty , w he th e r yo u ’r e a b ea c hc om b er o r a

2 0 s u rf er or a la rg e d ev e lo pe r o n t he c o as t, is a

2 1 v e ry s e ri ou s t hi n g to yo u. A nd it i s a v e ry

2 2 s e ri ou s t hi n g to us .

2 3 W e a re al so aw ar e o f t he a i r qu a li ty

2 4 i s su es . Th e se a r e ol d u ni t s. T he y’ r e go i ng t o b e

2 5 r ep ow e re d a nd r e fu rb i sh ed in a wa y t ha t w il l m ak e


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1 U n it s 3 a nd 4 si g ni fi c an tl y c le a ne r.

2 A n d th e n th e re ’s th e q ue st i on o f

3 a e st he t ic s. U nq u es ti o na bl y , an d I - - i t w as

4 p r ov en to m e a s I d ro v e up he re , a nd th e l as t t im e

5 I wa s h er e w as f o r an Ed is o n pr o je ct 20 y e ar s a go ,

6 t h at a e st he t ic al l y, t h is t h in g i s ae s th et i ca ll y

7 c h al le n ge d.

8 ( L au gh t er .)

9 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : An d i t n ee ds

1 0 s o me h e lp . An d I t hi n k AE S i s, in a t te mp t in g t o

1 1 b e a g o od n e ig hb o r, i s w il l in g t o pr o vi de so me of

1 2 t h at h e lp . It n e ed s s om e d ir ec t io n f ro m t he

1 3 c o mm un i ty .

1 4 A n d so to ni g ht , a nd f o r th e r em a in de r o f

1 5 t h e pr o ce ss , I w o ul d a sk y o u, f o cu s i n on th os e

1 6 t h in gs th at yo u t hi nk wi ll ma ke th is a vi a bl e

1 7 p r oj ec t . T e ll u s w ha t y ou r c on c er ns ar e. D ea l

1 8 w i th t h e St a ff i n it ia l ly . Th e d ec is i on m a ke rs ar e

1 9 g o in g t o be ba ck in t h e co m mu ni t y in a sh o rt t i me .

2 0 B u t th e b es t p la c e fo r y ou no w t o fo c us p r ob ab l y

2 1 i s o n t he C o mm is s io n S ta ff af te r t he co nc l us io n o f

2 2 t o ni gh t ’s m e et in g .

2 3 I wi ll sa y t ha t, ju st so y o u’ re aw ar e o f

2 4 i t , th e s ch e du le on t h is p r oc ee d in g i s mo v in g

2 5 r a pi dl y . W e ’v e h ad i t n ow fo r a bo ut th re e w ee k s.


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1 W e ’v e h ad a n i ni t ia l w or ks h op o n i t. T he r e wi l l

2 b e t hi s e ve n in g h ea ri n g he r e, p l us m o re w o rk sh o ps

3 i n t he co mm u ni ty . Ul t im at e ly , t he re ’ ll b e a

4 h e ar in g b ef o re t h e de c is io n m ak e rs , a nd t h en

5 s o me th i ng b e fo re th e f ul l C om mi s si on in

6 S a cr am e nt o.

7 I f I u n de rs t an d c or re c tl y, th e

8 C o mm is s io n S ta ff fe el s t ha t t he y c an ha ve th ei r

9 f i rs t d oc um e nt o u t so m ew he r e in th e f ir st we ek of

1 0 M a rc h, th at wi ll gi ve to y o u, t h e pu b li c,

1 1 i n fo rm a ti on wi th re ga r d to th e p ro je c t an d t he

1 2 c o nd it i on s t he S t af f p ro po s es t o i mp o se u p on t h e

1 3 A p pl ic a nt . At t h at p o in t, yo u n ee d t o gi v e us as

1 4 m u ch o f y ou r v al u ab le fe ed b ac k a s yo u c an . An d

1 5 I ’ m qu i te s u re , g iv en th e - - th e i nv o lv em e nt

1 6 a l re ad y o f t he C i ty o f H un t in gt o n Be a ch , t ha t t he y

1 7 w i ll b e i n t he re fo r y ou .

1 8 N e xt , w ha t y ou s h ou ld kn ow is t h at t h e

1 9 s c he du l e th a t ha s b ee n d is c us se d c on t em pl a te s

2 0 a c ti on by t h e fu l l Co m mi ss i on s o me ti m e in th e

2 1 f i rs t w ee k o f Ap r il .

2 2 C o nd it i on s - - I g ue ss an ot h er t h in g y ou

2 3 s h ou ld kn ow ab ou t o ur Co mm i ss io n a nd ou r

2 4 d e ci si o ns . We w i ll i m po se , i f t hi s i s to be

2 5 b u il t, we w i ll i m po se co nd i ti on s t ha t w il l b e w it h


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1 r e ga rd to a i r qu a li ty . We wi ll at te m pt t o , si n ce

2 I do n’ t b el i ev e w e ca n f in d a s o lu ti o n no w t o t he

3 w a te r m at te r , bu i ld i n c on d it io n s th a t wi l l so l ve

4 i t . W e ’l l g et t h e be s t sc i en ce to t e ll u s w ha t

5 t h ey t h in k i s ha p pe ni n g, a n d wh e th er or n o t th i s

6 p a rt ic u la r p ro je c t is co nt r ib ut i ng t o t he ba ct e ri a

7 t h at ’s cl os i ng y o ur b e ac he s .

8 W e d on ’ t ha v e th a t be s t sc i en ce ye t. W e

9 p r ob ab l y co u ld n’ t h av e g ot t en i t i n t he y e ar i f i t

1 0 h a d be e n or i gi na l ly c o nd uc t ed a s f il e d. B ut I

1 1 t h in k w e’ re co nf i de nt th at we c a n ge t i t. W e

1 2 s p ok e y es te r da y t o As s em bl y ma n H ar mo n , an d h e i s

1 3 t e ll in g u s t ha t t he re ar e s tu di e s un d er wa y i n a n

1 4 a t te mp t t o f in d s om e a ns we r s wi t h re g ar d t o th e

1 5 b a ct er i a th a t’ s c au si n g th e c lo s ur es an d - - an d

1 6 t h e re l at io n sh ip be tw e en t h e wa s te wa t er t r ea tm e nt

1 7 a n d th e p ow e r pl a nt .

1 8 B u t on c e a c on di t io n i s in th er e , wh a t

1 9 y o u ne e d to kn ow is t h at t h e Co m mi ss i on j u st

2 0 d o es n’ t t ur n i ts ba ck an d w al k a wa y, an d l et A E S

2 1 d o w ha t i t c ho os e s. T he C o mm is s io n h as a ve ry

2 2 a c ti ve mo ni t or in g a nd co mp l ia nc e u ni t . S o me o f

2 3 o u r ap p li ca n ts t h in k i t’ s t oo a c ti ve . Bu t w e w il l

2 4 w a tc h e ve ry st ep of t h e wa y a s A ES c o ns tr u ct s

2 5 t h ei r p ro je c t an d t he n o pe r at es it . An d i t wi l l


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1 b e o pe r at ed ac co r di ng to t h e co n di ti o ns t h at w o ul d

2 b e i mp o se d b y th e d ec i si on . An d t ho s e co n di ti o ns

3 n o t on l y in c lu de th e t hi ng s t ha t w il l h ap p en h e re ,

4 b u t al s o re q ui re th e i np ut of t h e So u th C o as t A ir

5 Q u al it y M an a ge me n t Di s tr ic t , so th at yo u c an b e

6 a s su re d t ha t w ha t ev er is d o ne w i th r e sp ec t t o a ir

7 q u al it y w il l c om p ly w i th a l l th e l aw s t ha t a re

8 e n fo rc e d by th e A QM D.

9 S o w it h t ha t , le t m e j us t i de nt i fy s o me

1 0 o f t he pe op l e we ha ve he re . He r e’ s o ur C o mm is s io n

1 1 S t af f. W e h av e t he A p pl ic a nt h e re , a nd o v er i n

1 2 t h is c o rn er so me o ne w h o’ s e xt re m el y i mp or t an t t o

1 3 y o u. A ct ua l ly , t wo o f t he m w ho ar e i mp or t an t t o

1 4 y o u, a n d fi r st i s R ob e rt a M en do n ca . Sh e i s th e

1 5 C o mm is s io n’ s P ub l ic A d vi se r .

1 6 P U BL IC AD VI S ER M E ND ON C A: H i. I w an t ed

1 7 t o t ak e t hi s m om e nt t o s ay he ll o a nd we lc o me y o u

1 8 t h is e v en in g . A n d th i s is re al l y a t ru is m t ha t

1 9 t h e ea r ly b i rd g o t th e w or m . A n d by th at ,

2 0 n o rm al l y I b ri ng a se t o f b lu e c ar ds th at in di c at e

2 1 m e mb er s o f t he p u bl ic th at mi gh t w an t t o b e ma k in g

2 2 p u bl ic co mm e nt . We c o ll ec t t he bl ue ca rd s , an d i t

2 3 a l lo ws fo r a r at h er o r de rl y p re s en ta t io n o f pu b li c

2 4 c o mm en t .

2 5 W e ll , w e ra n o ut . So I’ m j us t p as si n g


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1 o u t li t tl e p ie ce s o f w hi te pa pe r . I f y ou wo ul d

2 p l ea se ju st pu t y ou r n am e o n it an d k in d o f th e

3 n a tu re of y o ur c o mm en t , an d h ol d i t u p, I ’ ll c o me

4 a r ou nd th ro u gh t h e cr o wd a n d co l le ct th em .

5 T h an k y ou v e ry m u ch .

6 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u,

7 R o be rt a . A n d le t m e i nd ic a te s h e al s o ha s - - o h,

8 I ’ m so r ry . Ma ri a .

9 A S SO CI A TE P U BL IC AD VI S ER K R AP CE V IC H:

1 0 I ’ ll j u st g o a he a d an d i nt r od uc e m ys e lf . My n a me

1 1 i s M ar i a K ra pc e vi ch , a nd I’ m t he A s so ci a te P u bl ic

1 2 A d vi se r .

1 3 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th e se t w o la d ie s

1 4 a r e ve r y im p or ta n t to yo u. T he y c an he lp yo u

1 5 e i th er th ro u gh a n 8 00 nu mb e r, g e t ad d it io n al

1 6 i n fo rm a ti on . An d w ha t I ’m go in g t o r eq ue s t th a t

1 7 y o u do , g iv e n th e r ap i di ty of o u r sc h ed ul e , is if

1 8 y o u ar e i nt e re st e d in ge tt i ng a d di ti o na l

1 9 i n fo rm a ti on an d y ou h a ve a n I nt e rn et co nn e ct io n ,

2 0 g i ve u s y ou r e -m a il a d dr es s , an d w e w il l p ut y o u

2 1 o n a n e le ct r on ic di st r ib ut i on l i st s o t ha t a s

2 2 t h in gs ar e h ap pe n in g a t th e C om m is si o n, y o u wi l l

2 3 k n ow a b ou t t he m l it er a ll y w it hi n m in u te s.

2 4 I f y ou do n’ t h av e a c o mp ut e r an d a n

2 5 I n te rn e t co n ne ct i on , g iv e u s yo u r sn a il m a il


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1 a d dr es s , an d w e’ l l do th e b es t w e ca n t o g et t h e

2 i n fo rm a ti on to y o u as ra pi d ly a s t he Un it e d St a te s

3 P o st O f fi ce wi ll do i t .

4 I f y ou wa nt to , t he re ’ s al s o a l is t

5 s e rv er . Ju s t go to t h e Co m mi ss i on ’s We b s it e,

6 w h ic h i s ww w .e ne r gy .c a .g ov , a nd yo u c an g e t so m e

7 a d di ti o na l i nf or m at io n .

8 S o w it h t ha t , I t hi nk yo u’ v e go t a

9 p r et ty go od la yo u t of wh at ’ s go i ng o n t hi s

1 0 e v en in g . W e ’r e g oi ng to h a ve t h e Ap p li ca n t ma k e a

1 1 p r es en t at io n , th e n th e S ta f f. A l it t le b i t mo r e

1 2 f r om t h e Pu b li c A dv is e r, f o lk s f ro m H un ti n gt on

1 3 B e ac h, yo ur Ma yo r a nd ot he r s, a n d we ’ re v e ry

1 4 g r at ef u l fo r y ou r h os p it al i ty t h is e v en in g .

1 5 A n d th e n we ’ ll o p en t h e mi c ro ph o ne . If

1 6 y o u’ ve gi ve n u s a b lu e c ar d , we ’ ll c a ll y o u. I f

1 7 y o u ha v e si g ne d u p on a wh i te s h ee t o f pa p er ,

1 8 w e ’l l c al l y ou . An d i f yo u ’v e d on e n ei th e r of

1 9 t h os e b ut w a nt t o h av e a n o pp or t un it y t o s pe ak ,

2 0 t h is m i cr op h on e i s he r e fo r y ou to ni g ht . We ’r e

2 1 v e ry a p pr ec i at iv e o f y ou r b ei ng he re , a nd we k n ow

2 2 y o u’ re ta ki n g ti m e ou t o f y ou r e ve ni n g to ex pr e ss

2 3 y o ur i n te re s t to us , a nd t h an k y ou v e ry m u ch .

2 4 W e ’l l g o wi t h th e A pp l ic an t n ow .

2 5 M R . LA M B: T he re wi ll be a Po we r P oi n t


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1 p r es en t at io n .

2 M R . BL A CK FO R D: G oo d e ve ni n g, e v er yo n e.

3 I ’ m Ed B la ck f or d. I ’m th e S it e M an ag e r at th e

4 p o we r p la nt af fe c ti on a te ly kn ow n a s A ES H u nt in g to n

5 B e ac h. I h a ve a br ie f p re s en ta t io n t on ig h t. I ’m

6 s u re a l l of yo u h av e b ee n r ea di n g th e a rt i cl es in

7 t h e ne w sp ap e r an d h av e a f a ir ly go od fe el fo r

8 w h at ’s go in g o n, bu t i n ca s e yo u h av e n’ t, I’ ll ru n

9 t h ro ug h q ui c kl y t on ig h t so m e of th e m aj or po in t s.

1 0 T h es e t wo u n it s w er e r et ir e d in 19 95 .

1 1 A t t ha t p oi n t in ti me , w hi c h do e sn ’t se em al l t ha t

1 2 l o ng a g o, t h e id e a wa s t ha t t he r e wa s p le n ty o f

1 3 p o we r s up pl y i n C al if o rn ia , a nd th es e u ni t s ne e de d

1 4 s o me s i gn if i ca nt re pa i r, b u t at th e t im e t ha t c os t

1 5 w a sn ’t ju st i fi ed . Si x y ea r s la t er , w e no w f in d

1 6 o u rs el v es i n a m a jo r p ow er cr un c h, a n d th i s on e

1 7 p r oj ec t o ut of a fe w t ha t c ou ld po te n ti al l y be on

1 8 t h is s u mm er .

1 9 W e h ad pr ed i ca te d t hi s s li d e on a 3, 0 00

2 0 m e ga wa t t sh o rt fa l l fo r t he su mm e r. T he se tw o

2 1 u n it s r ep re s en t 4 50 m e ga wa t ts , a bo ut 15 p e rc en t o f

2 2 t h e ex p ec te d s ho r tf al l f or th is su mm e r. F ou r

2 3 h u nd re d a nd fi ft y m eg a wa tt s , th e n or m al c o nv er s io n

2 4 w e u se is o n e me g aw at t s up p li es ab ou t a t h ou sa n d

2 5 h o me s. S o t he se tw o u ni ts wo ul d b e a bl e t o su p pl y


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1 a b ou t 4 50 ,0 0 0 ho u se ho l ds .

2 W e t hi n k th i s is a pr e tt y m uc h u ni qu e

3 o p po rt u ni ty . Ra t he r t ha n a p la n t ex p an si o n, w e

4 l o ok a t t hi s a s b ri ng i ng t h e pl a nt b a ck t o i ts

5 o r ig in a l co n fi gu r at io n . T h e un i ts t h er e o pe ra t ed

6 i n t he mo de of a l l fi v e un i ts o p er at i ng f o r

7 r o ug hl y 3 0 y ea rs . Th e i nf r as tr u ct ur e i s t he re .

8 S o t ha t i t a ll ow s u s t o be ab le to m e et t h e ne e d

9 t h is s u mm er .

1 0 N o w, a g ai n, th at ’ s no t t o s ay t h at t h er e

1 1 a r en ’t is su e s an d t he r e ar e n’ t c ha ll e ng es . Bu t w e

1 2 f e el t h at t h es e u ni ts ca n b e br o ug ht ba ck qu ic k ly ,

1 3 a n d in an e n vi ro n me nt a ll y s af e m an ne r .

1 4 T h er e’ s a p i ct ur e o f t he s i te . We ’v e

1 5 a l re ad y h ea r d a l it tl e b it ab ou t t he vi su a l

1 6 i m pa ct . An d g ra n te d, th e p la nt is q u it e a

1 7 m o nu me n t th e re a t t he -- a t t he sh or e li ne . Bu t i n

1 8 b r in gi n g th e se u n it s b ac k, we ’l l b e b as ic a ll y

1 9 m a in ta i ni ng th e s am e s ky li n e, s o t o s pe ak , i f y ou

2 0 l o ok a t i t t ha t w ay . Th e m aj or pa rt of t h e da m ag e

2 1 t o t he un it s i s i n th e l ow e r po r ti on , s o t ha t w il l

2 2 b e b as i ca ll y r ep l ac ed in e n ti re t y wi t hi n t he

2 3 s t ru ct u re t h at y o u se e .

2 4 U n it s t ha t - - or po rt i on s t ha t w il l b e

2 5 a d de d, th e e nv ir o nm en t al c o nt ro l s to br in g t he m u p


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1 t o t od a y’ s s ta nd a rd s w il l a ga in fi t i ns id e

2 e x is ti n g du c t wo r k, s o t ha t t he vi su a l im p ac ts of

3 t h e pl a nt w i ll n o t be ad ve r se ly af fe c te d.

4 W e ’v e a lr ea d y be e n ta l ki ng wi th th e

5 c i ty , a nd t h er e h av e b ee n o th er ar ti c le s i n th e

6 p a pe r o n th e e nv i ro nm e nt al up gr a de s f or t h e

7 e x is ti n g Un i ts 1 an d 2 . A n d in th at wo rk , t ha t

8 s h ou ld co mm e nc e s ho rt l y, w e ’v e b ee n w or ki n g wi t h

9 t h e ci t y an d h av e a lr e ad y a gr ee d t o a n um b er o f

1 0 v i su al ty pe up gr a de s, al on g w it h t ha t p ro j ec t, th e

1 1 w i de ni n g of N ew la n d Av e nu e, an d d ev el o pm en t o f a

1 2 l a nd sc a pi ng pl an ar ou n d th e p er i me te r o f t he p l an t

1 3 t o h el p s of t en t h e -- th e i mp ac t o f t he p l an t i n

1 4 i t s cu r re nt lo ca t io n.

1 5 S o w e’ v e al r ea dy st ar t ed d o wn t h at p a th .

1 6 W e c on t in ue to w o rk w i th t h e ci t y as fa r a s

1 7 f u rt he r w or k t ow a rd s o ft en i ng t h e vi s ua l i mp ac t .

1 8 A co up l e mo r e sh o ts h e re . Ag ai n , yo u

1 9 k n ow , f ro m t he y a rd , U ni ts 3 an d 4 , t he t u rb in e

2 0 d e ck i s i n t he f r on t, an d y ou h a ve t h e bo i le r

2 1 s t ru ct u re i n t he ba ck .

2 2 A n ot he r p ic t ur e f ro m a d if f er en t

2 3 s t an dp o in t.

2 4 N o w, w e t al k a bo u t br i ng in g t he s e un i ts

2 5 u p t o t he - - t he cu rr e nt t e ch no l og y f or a i r.


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1 F i rs t o ff , a n um b er o f p eo p le s a y we l l, t h es e a re

2 o l d un i ts . Wh y a re y o u sp e nd in g m on e y on th is ol d

3 t e ch no l og y. T he r e is so me tr ut h t o t ha t. T he s e

4 u n it s w er e p ut o n li ne in t h e ea r ly s i xt ie s .

5 T h ey ’r e 4 0- y ea r o ld u n it s. B ut th e s ta rk re al i ty

6 i s t ha t t he s e un i ts r e pr es e nt a b ou t 5 0 pe r ce nt of

7 w h at ’s op er a ti on a l in Ca li f or ni a , so th ey ar e

8 c o mp et i ti ve . As we r e fe r t o th e m, t h ey ’r e m id -

9 m e ri t u ni ts . Yo u k no w , al l t he ga s p la nt s t ha t

1 0 E d is on an d o th er s h ad bu il t i n t he e a rl y s ix ti e s

1 1 a r e al l r ou g hl y t he s a me t e ch no l og y, sa me

1 2 e f fi ci e nc y.

1 3 T h es e a re i n t he sa me ra ng e a s U ni ts 1

1 4 a n d 2, wh ic h o pe r at e a ll t h e ti m e. S o wh i le t h ey

1 5 a r e no t t he mo st ef fi c ie nt un it s , th e y ar e s ti l l,

1 6 y o u kn o w, r e pr es e nt at i ve a n d co m pe ti t iv e i n th e

1 7 m a rk et p la ce .

1 8 N o w, i n o rd e r to ma ke th em up t o t od a y’ s

1 9 s t an da r ds , w e’ re lo ok i ng a t a n u mb er of

2 0 i m pr ov e me nt s f ro m a n e nv ir o nm en t al s t an dp o in t.

2 1 T h e bu r ne rs wi ll be r e pl ac e d. T he se wi ll be n e w

2 2 l o w N Ox b u rn er s , an d a ls o f ro m a s i de li g ht ,

2 3 t h ey ’r e a ls o l ow ca rb o n mo n ox id e b ur n er s. W e’ l l

2 4 b e p ut t in g i n a f lu e g as r ec ir c ul at i on l o op , w hi ch

2 5 m i ni mi z es t h e us e o f o ut si d e ai r , r ec ir c ul at e s th e


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1 a i r th a t’ s a lr ea d y be e n th r ou gh th e c om bu s ti on

2 p r oc es s , an d i t, to o, te nd s t o r ed uc e N Ox

3 f o rm at i on .

4 I n t he ba ck en d, on ce th e f lu e g as e x it

5 t h e bo i le r, we ’l l b e a dd in g t he se le c ti ve

6 c a ta ly t ic r e du ct i on t y pe t e ch no l og y. T hi s i s t he

7 s a me t h at w e w il l b e a dd in g o n U ni ts 1 an d 2 .

8 T h is r e du ce s N Ox e m is si o ns b y 9 5 p er ce n t, s o t ha t

9 i n st ea d o f c ur re n t op e ra ti o n, w h ic h i s re f le ct i ve

1 0 o f U ni t s 1 a nd 2 , w he r e yo u h av e 1 00 pa rt s p er

1 1 m i ll io n o f N Ox g o in g t o th e a tm o sp he r e, t h is w i ll

1 2 b e d ow n t o - - to fi ve pa rt s p er mi ll i on .

1 3 W e w il l b e u si ng th e s am e t yp e

1 4 t e ch no l og y o n Un i ts 3 an d 4 t ha t w e’ r e in th e

1 5 f i na l p er mi t ti ng st ag e s on Un it s 1 a n d 2, wh ic h

1 6 e n co mp a ss es a pr o ce ss th at wh il e a mm o ni a i s us e d

1 7 f o r mo s t SC R t ec h no lo g y, w e ’r e p ut ti n g in a ne w

1 8 s y st em th at ut il i ze s u re a, wh ic h c om m on ly is u s ed

1 9 a s a f e rt il i zi ng ty pe ma te r ia l, bu t w e’ ll ge ne r at e

2 0 t h e am m on ia on si t e on l y as we n e ed i t , so th at

2 1 t h er e w il l n ot b e a mm o ni a t ru ck e d th r ou gh th e

2 2 c o mm un i ty o r s to r ed o n si te .

2 3 W e h ad ac tu a ll y g on e t hr ou g h th e a ir

2 4 d i st ri c t ea r li er th is ye ar wi th sp ec i al p e rm it s t o

2 5 p i lo t t hi s p ro ce s s at an e x is ti n g SC R a t o ur


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1 A la mi t os f a ci li t y, s o t he s e tw o u ni t s re p re se n t,

2 a l on g w it h U ni ts 1 an d 2 , s o th e se f o ur u n it s,

3 e x cu se me , w il l r ep re s en t t he f i rs t a pp li c at io n o f

4 t h at t e ch no l og y a ny wh e re .

5 S o t ha t ’s r i gh t o n th e c ut t in g e dg e a s

6 f a r as be in g r es p on si v e. K no wi n g th a t am m on ia

7 s t or ag e o r t ra ns p or t t hr ou g h a c om mu n it y i s a

8 c o nc er n , we ’ ve g o ne a n d, y o u kn o w, l o ok ed at t h is

9 t e ch no l og y, ma de su re it m a de s e ns e, an d a re g o in g

1 0 t o b e u ti li z in g i t.

1 1 A l so , w e’ ll be p u tt in g a C O c at a ly st on

1 2 t h e ba c k en d o f t he b o il er , s o t ha t C O em i ss io n s

1 3 w i ll b e r ed u ce d d ow n t o th e f iv e p ar t s pe r m il l io n

1 4 r a ng e. T ha t w il l m ak e t he s e tw o u ni t s th e

1 5 c l ea ne s t bo i le rs , f ro m a n e mi ss i on s t an dp o in t, of

1 6 t h at t y pe , g as -f i re d s te am vi nt a ge . I do n ’t k n ow

1 7 o f a ny w he re el se in t h e co u nt ry wh er e C O c at al y st

1 8 i s b ei n g em p lo ye d o n u ni ts of t h at n a tu re . It ’ s

1 9 u s ed o n t he ne we r g as tu rb i ne t e ch no l og y, bu t

2 0 t h is ’l l b e t he f i rs t a pp li c at io n o n t he se bo il e rs

2 1 t o m ak e t he m a s c le an as w e c an .

2 2 T h e co n ti nu o us e m is si o ns m o ni to r in g,

2 3 t h at ’s pr et t y mu c h a s ta nd a rd . Th at ’ s ex p ec te d ,

2 4 s o t ha t w e c on st a nt ly re co r d, t r an sm i t th e d at a t o

2 5 t h e ai r d is t ri ct , s o t ha t w e’ re in c o mp li a nc e a nd


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1 a l l th o se p r om is e s we pu t u p to ar e l iv ed up t o o n

2 a n h ou r ly , d ai ly , w ee k ly , b as is .

3 A g ai n, I al r ea dy ta lk e d ab o ut t h at a

4 l i tt le bi t. U si n g th e u re a p ro c es s, th at wa y w e

5 d o n’ t h av e t o tr u ck t h e am m on ia th ro u gh t h e

6 c o mm un i ty . Th e b ig ge s t pa r t of th e p il ot pl an t

7 t h er e w as o n c on t ro l. T he ch em i st ry it se l f is --

8 i s p re t ty m u ch k n ow n. I t’ s n ot a ve r y in t en se

9 p r oc es s . I t ’s a c tu al l y th e r ev e rs al of t h e

1 0 f o rm at i on o f t he ur ea . Bu t t he bi g k ey w a s

1 1 w h et he r o r n ot t o da y’ s i ns t ru me n ta ti o n wa s

1 2 s o ph is t ic at e d en o ug h t o pr o vi de th e a mm on i a on

1 3 d e ma nd so t h at y o u co u ld k e ep y o ur e m is si o ns l o w,

1 4 a n d th a t th e s ys t em t r ac ke d . A n d we pi lo t ed f o r,

1 5 a g ai n, I’ d s ay a b ou t t wo m o nt hs , t o m ak e s ur e t ha t

1 6 t h is w a s ob v io us l y a s te p u p an d n ot an ot h er

1 7 p r ob le m .

1 8 A s I m e nt io n ed , t he u n it s w er e s ix ti e s

1 9 v i nt ag e , an d t he on e t hi ng we k n ew r i gh t a wa y w as

2 0 t h at t h e co n tr ol sy st e ms w o ul d a ll n e ed t o b e

2 1 u p gr ad e d, b r ou gh t t o t od ay ’ s st a te o f t he ar t,

2 2 d i st ri b ut ed co nt r ol t y pe s y st em . Wh i le o r ig in a ll y

2 3 t h es e u ni ts we re op er a te d w it h a s ep a ra te co nt r ol

2 4 r o om , w e wi l l be ta ki n g th e i ns t ru me n ta ti o n an d

2 5 c o nt ro l s ba c k to th e e xi st i ng c o nt ro l r oo m s o t ha t


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1 t h e op e ra to r s wi l l ha v e co n tr ol of a l l un i ts f r om

2 o n e ce n tr al po in t .

3 T h is m a ke s m os t s en se fr om a ma n po we r

4 s t an dp o in t, an d a ls o f ro m b ei ng ab le to k n ow h o w

5 t h e un i ts i nt er r ea ct ; t ha t t he co nt r ol i s t ak e n

6 c a re o f a t o ne p o in t.

7 A l th ou g h th e t ur b in e g en er a to rs ar e - -

8 b a si ca l ly h a ve b e en d i sm an t le d, as m o st o f y ou sa w

9 o n t he to ur to da y , an d b as i ca ll y b e r ea ss e mb le d t o

1 0 t h ei r o ri gi n al c o nd it i on , w e’ re al so ad di n g ne w er

1 1 u p gr ad e d se a ls t o g et a be t te r e ff ic i en cy ou t o f

1 2 t h os e t ur bi n es , a s we l l.

1 3 A n d th a t’ s p re tt y m uc h i t.

1 4 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u.

1 5 L e t’ s g o to th e C om mi s si on St af f .

1 6 M R . CA S WE LL : Hi . My na me ’ s Ja c k

1 7 C as we l l, a n d I’ m t he Pr oj e ct M a na ge r f or th e

1 8 E n er gy Co mm i ss io n f or th is pr oj e ct .

1 9 I wa nt to e x pl ai n t o y ou t h at w e w or k a s

2 0 a n i nd e pe nd e nt e n ti ty fr om th e C om mi s si on e rs a n d

2 1 t h is C o mm it t ee . Wh at we d o i s w e ga t he r t he d a ta ,

2 2 a n d it is t h e te c hn ic a l St a ff t h at d e ve lo p s th e

2 3 S t af f A ss es s me nt an d p ro vi d es t h at a s a g u id e t o

2 4 t h e Co m mi tt e e fo r t he m t o d ra w a n ed u ca te d

2 5 a s se ss m en t o f th i s pr o je ct , a nd th e d et ai l s


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1 i n vo lv e d in th at .

2 A t t hi s s ta g e of th at pr oc e ss , w e ha v e

3 d o ne a da ta ad eq u ac y, an d t ha t w as a -- a n e ar l ie r

4 p h as e w he re we l o ok ed at t h e in f or ma t io n, an d i t

5 w a s th i s ap p li ca t io n, to s e e if it h a d en o ug h

6 i n fo rm a ti on fo r S ta ff to r e vi ew th at ap pl i ca ti o n.

7 A n d it wa s d el ay e d fo r a p e ri od of t i me b e ca us e

8 t h er e w as - - t he St af f f el t t ha t i t n ee de d m or e

9 i n fo rm a ti on .

1 0 A t a h e ar in g a bo u t th r ee w e ek s a go - -

1 1 o r , a B us in e ss M e et in g , it wa s d ee me d d at a

1 2 a d eq ua t e, a n d we we nt fo rw a rd a t t ha t t im e .

1 3 A s w e l ef t t ha t p ha se of t h at , t ha t

1 4 p r oc es s , we we nt to I s su e I de nt i fi ca t io n R ep or t ,

1 5 a n d da t a re q ue st s . A n d I c am e i n a l it tl e b it

1 6 l a te r t ha n a l ot of y o u, a n d on th is ta bl e h er e b y

1 7 t h e ov e rh ea d p ro j ec to r a re th e r ep or t , th e I ss u e

1 8 I d en ti f ic at i on R e po rt , a s w el l a s da t a re q ue st s .

1 9 A n d on th e b ac k o f th e I nf o rm at i on R e po rt , t he r e’ s

2 0 a sc he d ul e t ha t I ’v e w or ke d w it h o th e r St a ff h e re

2 1 a t t he En er g y Co m mi ss i on t o d ev e lo p t he 6 0 d ay

2 2 p r oc es s .

2 3 I ’ ll t e ll y o u a l it tl e b it of h o w we

2 4 r e co mm e nd ed th is 60 d a y pr o ce ss . We lo ok e d at th e

2 5 n e ed o r s ho r tf al l t hi s s um m er , w hi ch wa s a bo ut


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1 5 , 00 0 m eg aw a tt s. W e l oo ke d a t r ea di l y av a il ab l e

2 r e so ur c es f o r th a t. T hi s p la nt ha pp e ns t o b e - -

3 f a ll i n t ha t c at e go ry . An d t he ti me it w o ul d t ak e

4 t h e Ap p li ca n t to ge t t ha t o nl in e . A n d th e n we

5 l o ok ed at w h er e w e we r e at to da y , an d t he ma th

6 j u st w o rk ed ou t, he y, yo u’ v e go t 6 0 d ay s, if y o u

7 w a nt t o , fo r r ea l it y c he ck he re , i f y ou w a nt t o

8 t r y to ge t a J ul y 1 st da te , y ou ’ re g o in g t o ge t a

9 6 0 d ay re vi e w he r e.

1 0 T h at ’s ba se d o n t ha t e xe cu t iv e o rd er , o r

1 1 a pr ov i si on in t h at e x ec ut i ve o r de r, D2 2- 0 1. A nd

1 2 t h at ’s th e e me rg e nc y p ro ce s s.

1 3 W h at w e d o i n th i s pr o ce ss is t h at S t af f

1 4 - - t hi s i s a n op e n pu b li c p ro ce s s. E ve n t ho ug h I

1 5 u n de rs t an d t hi s e xp ed i te d p ro ce s s li m it s y ou r

1 6 p a rt ic i pa ti o n, I wa nt yo u t o kn o w th a t my go al

1 7 h e re i s t o g at he r a s m uc h i nf or m at io n f ro m y ou ,

1 8 t h e ci t y, a n d I’ v e ta l ke d e xt en s iv el y w it h t he

1 9 c i ty a n d wi l l co n ti nu e t o d o th a t, f o r in p ut i n to

2 0 t h is d o cu me n t. Y ou ’r e g oi n g to ha ve to l i ve w i th

2 1 t h is p l an t. I u n de rs t an d t ha t. I u n de rs t an d t he

2 2 s i tu at i on h e re v e ry c l ea rl y , as we ll as t h e

2 3 b r oa de r p ic t ur e f or t h e en t ir e s ta te . An d I ’m

2 4 t r yi ng to w o rk a s r ea s on ab l e a d ea l, or f e as ib l e

2 5 d e al a s p os s ib le to - - t o m ee t c on di t io ns wi th th e


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1 c i ty , t he c o mm un i ty , a nd t h e Ap p li ca n t, t o p ro v id e

2 t h is n e ed f o r ge n er at i on , a s we l l as wo rk in a n

3 e n vi ro n me nt a l co n ti nu i ty h e re .

4 W e h av e n’ t m ad e a c om p le te de ci s io n o n

5 w h er e o ur d o cu me n ts a r e go i ng y e t, b e ca us e w e’ r e

6 s t il l i n th a t di s co ve r y ph a se . We ’r e f in d in g o ut

7 n e w in f or ma t io n o f so m e th i ng s t ha t w er e - - we r e

8 - - t ha t w e d id n’ t k no w - - t ha t w e di d n’ t k no w,

9 b a si ca l ly . Yo u k no w, th er e ’s - - a s y ou s t ar t t o

1 0 r e se ar c h wh a t’ s i n th i s AF C , th i s Ap p li ca t io n f or

1 1 C e rt if i ca ti o n, w e d is c ov er e d th a t, y o u kn o w,

1 2 t h er e’ s s om e t hi n gs i n h er e t ha t w er e n’ t

1 3 a d dr es s ed , a nd w e ’v e h ad a wo rk s ho p h er e o n th e

1 4 1 5 th , a nd t h er e w as s o me d i sc us s io n f ro m t he

1 5 p u bl ic .

1 6 T h er e’ s a h o me ow n er s a ss oc i at io n t ha t

1 7 b r ou gh t u p s om e i ss ue s t ha t w e w er e - - ab o ut a

1 8 p ea ke r g en e ra ti n g pi e ce o f e qu i pm en t o n t hi s. I t

1 9 w a s de s cr ib e d in th e A FC , b ut i t w as no t d is cu s se d

2 0 i n a - - v er y e xt e ns iv e ly , a nd s o w e’ r e lo o ki ng

2 1 i n to t h at a s - - a s on e o f t he i s su es .

2 2 O n e of th e o th er th in g s is al th o ug h t hi s

2 3 i s a n o pe n p ro ce s s, t h e co o rd in a ti on of

2 4 i n fo rm a ti on ha s t o ha v e so m e co n ti nu i ty t o i t, in

2 5 o r de r t o -- to e x pe ct so me re as o na bl e r es p on se to


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1 y o ur n e ed s. T ha t n ee d s to co me to m e b y e -m ai l ,

2 o r w ri t te n d oc um e nt at i on , a s Ro b er ta di sc u ss ed .

3 Y o u ha v e ca r ds o r s li p s, a n d a - - an d a

4 i n fo rm a ti on , p ub l ic h e ar in g i nf o rm at i on . If y o u

5 c a n co o rd in a te t h at t h ro ug h - - a nd y o u’ re wi th th e

6 p u bl ic , c oo r di na t e th r ou gh Ro be r ta , i t wo u ld b e

7 v e ry h e lp fu l t o k ee p s om e c on ti n ui ty to t h e

8 i n fo rm a ti on fl ow .

9 T h e ci t y, a s w el l a s t he A p pl ic a nt , a nd

1 0 a g en ci e s, l e t me go i n to t h at a li tt l e bi t . S o me

1 1 o f t he -- t h e gr o up s t ha t a re i n vo lv e d in th is

1 2 p r oc es s n ot on ly ar e t he C o mm is s io n S ta ff , a nd th e

1 3 c i ty , a nd t h e co u nt y, an d y ou r - - yo u r ai r

1 4 d i st ri c ts a n d yo u r wa t er d i st ri c ts , a nd t h e

1 5 C o as ta l C om m is si o n, b u t al l t he st at e a ge n ci es an d

1 6 s o me f e de ra l a ge n ci es , a s w el l a s EP A . A l l ar e

1 7 o n li ne ri gh t n ow , a nd ha ve be en on li n e fo r s om e

1 8 t i me o n t hi s p ro j ec t, si nc e t he da y t he

1 9 a p pl ic a ti on wa s f ir st su bm i tt ed , w hi c h is th e 1 st

2 0 o f D ec e mb er .

2 1 E v er yb o dy ’s up a n d ru n ni ng , r ea l iz in g

2 2 t h at - - t ha t t he r e’ s t hi s p ro je c t, a n d th e i ss u es

2 3 t h at a r e re l at ed to t h at . Wh at we ’r e h op i ng t o d o

2 4 i s , ag a in , i t’ s a t ou g h de a l fo r t he s e ag e nc ie s t o

2 5 p u t ev e ry th i ng a s id e a nd a d dr es s t hi s i ss u e, b u t


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1 t h at i s h ap p en in g . T h er e’ s - - t he re is c o nt in u it y

2 a m on g s ta te ag en c ie s t o ad d re ss th e i ss ue s .

3 A g ai n, I’ m g oi ng to t r y to re me m be r.

4 S o me o f t he -- w h at I ha ve is a sl id e s ho w t ha t I

5 u s ua ll y d o a p re s en ta t io n, th at is o n o ur pr oc e ss .

6 B u t th e p ro c es s i s di f fe re n t on th is pr oj e ct .

7 S i xt y d ay s. I t’ s n ot on e y ea r, it ’s no t s ix

8 m o nt hs . An d I ’m th e o ne t h at k i nd o f c am e u p w it h

9 t h er e’ s t he be nc h ma rk s w e h av e t o hi t i n o rd er to

1 0 e x pe ct so me re as o na bl e s uc c es s i n th i s pr o ce ss .

1 1 S o me o f t he -- I ’ ll t e ll y o u ab o ut o u r

1 2 a u th or i ty . Ou r a ut ho r it y i s -- is o v er t h e

1 3 t h er ma l p ow e r pl a nt s 5 0 me g aw at t s or gr ea t er . An d

1 4 r e la te d f ac i li ti e s to th os e f ac i li ti e s, o b vi ou s ly ,

1 5 a r e tr a ns mi s si on li ne s , na t ur al ga s p ip el i ne s,

1 6 w a te r s up pl y l in e s, w a st e d is po s al , a nd - - a nd

1 7 a c ce ss ro ad s . W e h av e a ut h or it y o ve r t ho s e

1 8 a n ci ll a ry f a ci li t ie s. S o - - an d w e c oo rd i na te

1 9 w i th , a ga in , t he ci ty , t he co un t y, a n d ot h er

2 0 a g en ci e s th a t ha v e au t ho ri t y in th at ge ne r al a r ea .

2 1 A t t hi s t im e i t’ s - - i t’ s b as ic a ll y - -

2 2 i t ’s g o in g t o be a to u gh , t ou gh pr oc e ss h e re .

2 3 I t ’s - - I h a ve g r ea t c on ce r n ab o ut h o w to ge t t hi s

2 4 d o ne . I be l ie ve it c a n be do ne , a nd we d o h av e a

2 5 g a me p l an , a nd w e ’v e d is cu s se d t ha t a ga in , h ad


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1 e x te ns i ve t a lk s w it h M at t L am b. I ’v e t al k ed w i th ,

2 y o u kn o w, t h e ot h er m e mb er s o f t he c i ty , a s we l l

3 a s t he Ap pl i ca nt , a nd we ’r e t ry i ng t o d ev e lo p a

4 m i nd se t t ha t h el p s us co me up w i th a -- a pr oc e ss

5 h e re w i th in th e 6 0 da y s th a t se r ve s e ve ry b od y’ s

6 n e ed s, if p o ss ib l e.

7 A t t hi s t im e , af t er t h is h e ar in g ,

8 t h er e’ s g oi n g to be a co nt i nu at i on o f a w o rk sh o p

9 t h at w e s ta r te d b ac k i n Sa c ra me n to o n t he 15 th ,

1 0 a n d we ad dr e ss ed ba si c al ly th e I ss ue s

1 1 I d en ti f ic at i on R e po rt , a nd we d i d no t r ea l ly g o

1 2 t h ro ug h t he da ta re qu e st s. A nd th e d at a r eq ue s ts ,

1 3 w e ’l l p ic k u p on th at .

1 4 T h er e i s al s o an ag en d a on th e t op o f

1 5 t h at o v er he a d. W e’ ll pi ck up t h at - - u si n g th a t

1 6 a g en da we ’l l - - w e’ ll st ar t t hi s w or k sh op , a nd

1 7 w e ’l l p la n t o co n cl ud e a t m id ni g ht , i f it ta ke s

1 8 t h at l o ng .

1 9 A n d ba s ic al l y wh a t th e p ro c es s o f th i s

2 0 w o rk sh o p is , i s i t’ s m or e i nf or m al t h an t h is

2 1 h e ar in g . I t ’s f o r te c hn ic a l da t a, a n d -- an d

2 2 S t af f, te ch n ic al St af f , to ex ch a ng e i de as an d t o

2 3 c l ar if y t he s e da t a re q ue st s . S o t ha t a ga i n, w e

2 4 c a n wr i te o u r St a ff A s se ss m en t w it h s om e c la ri t y

2 5 a n d ge t t he Ap pl i ca nt , a s w el l a s th e c it y , to be


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1 a b le t o r es p on d t o so m e of th es e q ue s ti on s o r

2 i s su es th at ar e b ro ug h t up in t h e da t a re q ue st s .

3 A n d ag a in , t ha t’ l l fo l lo w s ho rt l y af t er

4 a br ie f b re a k fo r s om e th in g t o e at r i gh t a ft er

5 t h is h e ar in g .

6 A n d if yo u w an t t o kn o w th e e xa c t

7 e x pe di t ed p r oc es s , th e s ch e du le , i t i s on th e b ac k

8 o f t he Is su e I de n ti fi c at io n R ep o rt . An d y ou c o ul d

9 a s k qu e st io n s ab o ut t h at .

1 0 S o t ha t ’s a b ou t i t fo r m e, an d t ha nk

1 1 y o u.

1 2 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Ok a y. T ha nk

1 3 y o u, M r . C as we l l.

1 4 M s . M en do n ca , d id y o u wa n t to -- g i ve

1 5 t h es e f ol ks a li t tl e b it m o re i n fo rm a ti on .

1 6 M S . KR A PC EV I CH : Hi . As I sa id be fo r e,

1 7 m y n am e i s M ar ia K ra pc e vi ch . I’ m t he As so c ia te

1 8 P u bl ic Ad vi s er f r om t h e Ca l if or n ia E n er gy

1 9 C o mm is s io n. A nd I’ d l ik e t o we l co me ev er y bo dy

2 0 t o ni gh t , es p ec ia l ly s u ch a go od tu rn o ut f r om t h e

2 1 p u bl ic .

2 2 W e w el c om e a ll y o ur c o mm en t s, w h et he r

2 3 y o u’ d l ik e t o sp e ak t o ni gh t o r w he th e r yo u ’d l i ke

2 4 t o o ff e r wr i tt en co mm e nt ar y . I t ’s a v ai la b le

2 5 e i th er wa y. W e h av e f or ms th er e o n t he t a bl e.


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1 A n d I’ d j us t l ik e t o g o ov e r wh a t th e

2 P u bl ic Ad vi s er ’s ro le is . Th e P ub li c A dv i se r’ s

3 r o le i s t o a ss is t t he pu bl i c in un de r st an d in g t he

4 E n er gy Co mm i ss io n ’s s i ti ng pr oc e ss , a nd t o - - a nd

5 t o a ss i st t h e me m be rs of t h e pu b li c w ho w a nt t o

6 p a rt ic i pa te in t h e pr o ce ss .

7 O u r of f ic e i s in Sa cr a me nt o . W e d o h av e

8 a to ll - fr ee nu mb e r at 1- 80 0 -8 22 - 62 28 , o r y ou c a n

9 r e ac h u s by e- ma i l at p ao @e n er gy . st at e .c a. u s.

1 0 Y o ur - - y ou ha ve a ve r y im p or ta n t pa r t

1 1 i n t hi s p ro c es s. Y ou ha ve th e r ig ht to

1 2 p a rt ic i pa te an d t o co m me nt on t h e pr o po se d

1 3 H u nt in g to n B ea ch Ge ne r at in g S ta t io n R et oo l

1 4 P r oj ec t . T h e En e rg y C om mi s si on en co u ra ge s p ub l ic

1 5 p a rt ic i pa ti o n an d w el c om es al l t yp es of c o mm un i ty

1 6 i n pu t. H op e fu ll y , ma n y pe o pl e w il l w an t t o of f er

1 7 t h ei r o pi ni o ns a n d co m me nt s o n t he p r op os e d

1 8 p r oj ec t . T h es e o pi ni o ns a n d co m me nt s w il l f or m a n

1 9 i m po rt a nt s o ur ce of i n fo rm a ti on as t h e En e rg y

2 0 C o mm is s io n S ta ff pe rf o rm s t he ir in de p en de n t

2 1 a n al ys i s of th e p ro po s al .

2 2 L e t me br ie f ly e x pl ai n t ha t t he r e ar e

2 3 s e ve ra l t yp e s of pu bl i c pa r ti ci p at io n . Y o u ca n

2 4 p a rt ic i pa te in fo r ma ll y , wh e re y o u wo u ld f i ll o u t

2 5 t h e ye l lo w s he et to o f fe r w ri tt e n co m me nt a ry , o r


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1 t o s pe a k to n ig ht . Or yo u c an b e co me mo re fo rm a ll y

2 i n vo lv e d in th e s it in g c as e t hr o ug h a p ro c es s

3 c a ll ed In te r ve nt i on .

4 M e mb er s o f t he p u bl ic , a nd so me t im es

5 p u bl ic ag en c ie s, wh o d ec id e t o i nt er v en e b ec om e

6 p a rt ie s t o t he s i ti ng ca se . In th e e ar ly ph as e s

7 o f t he si ti n g ca s e, t h er e’ s n ot a lo t o f

8 d i ff er e nc e b et we e n th e i nf o rm al an d f or ma l

9 p a rt ic i pa ti o n. H ow ev e r, w h en t h e ca s e re a ch es th e

1 0 p o in t t ha t t he d e ci si o n ma k er s, th e t wo m e mb er s o f

1 1 t h e En e rg y C om mi s si on Si ti n g Co m mi tt e e, a r e re a dy

1 2 t o l is t en t o f or m al e v id en c e on th e m an y s it in g

1 3 c a se i s su es , t he di ff e re nc e i s m or e a pp ar e nt .

1 4 I n t he fo rm a l he a ri ng of t h e ev i de nc e ,

1 5 i n fo rm a l pa r ti ci p an ts ca n c om me n t an d o ff e r

1 6 o p in io n s. O n th e o th e r ha n d, t h e fo r ma l

1 7 p a rt ic i pa nt s w ho ar e t he p a rt ie s t o t he c a se c a n

1 8 p r es en t w it n es se s , of f er s w or n t es ti m on y, an d

1 9 c r os s e xa mi n e wi t ne ss e s.

2 0 I br ie f ly m e nt io n ed i n te rv e ni ng to

2 1 b e co me a pa r ty i n t he si ti n g ca s e. A nd i f y ou

2 2 w o ul d l ik e t o be c om e a n I nt er v en or , w e h av e a

2 3 g u id e t o th e i nt e rv en t io n p ro ce s s ri g ht h e re .

2 4 I t ’s t h at y e ll ow bo ok l et t h er e, ne xt to t h e

2 5 o v er he a d. A nd t h er e i s a p et it i on t o f il l o ut


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1 t h at y o u wo u ld f i le w i th u s . Y o u wo u ld m a ke a

2 c o py f o r -- fo r t he C o mm is s io n i ts el f , an d t he n

3 a l so s e nd a ha rd co py to - - t o o ur o f fi ce . An d

4 t h en , i f yo u a re ap pr o ve d, th en yo u w il l b ec om e a

5 f o rm al pa rt y t o t he p r oc ee d in gs .

6 I al so wa nt to p o in t o ut t h at

7 I nt er v en or s h av e t he sa me re sp o ns ib i li ti e s an d

8 s h ar e t he s a me b e ne fi t s as th e o th er pa rt i es i n

9 t h e ca s e. F or e x am pl e , I nt er v en or s m us t r es p on d

1 0 t o r eq u es ts fo r i nf or m at io n , de l iv er th ei r

1 1 d o cu me n ts a n d co m me nt s t o t he o t he r p ar ti e s, a n d

1 2 b e a va i la bl e f or cr os s e xa m in at i on .

1 3 N o w, i f y ou wo ul d l ik e m or e i nf o rm at i on

1 4 o n h ow to r e ce iv e n ot i ce s o f wh a t is ta ki n g pl a ce ,

1 5 i n t er m s of ot he r h ea r in gs an d w or ks h op s, pl ea s e

1 6 f i ll o u t th e s ig n -u p s he et he re , a nd we c a n

1 7 c o nt ac t y ou th ro u gh e - ma il or - - o r w e ca n d ro p

1 8 y o u a l in e i n th e m ai l .

1 9 A n d al s o, t h er e a re t w o fu r th er po in t s

2 0 I ’ d li k e to co ve r .

2 1 F i rs t, th e i mp or t an ce of g e tt in g o n t he

2 2 E n er gy Co mm i ss io n ’s i n te re s te d p er so n s ma i li ng

2 3 l i st , s o th a t yo u c an re ce i ve t h es e p ub li c

2 4 n o ti ce s . A n d al s o, i f y ou ne ed mo re in fo r ma ti o n,

2 5 y o u ca n g o t o th e t hr e e li b ra ri e s he r e in


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1 H u nt in g to n B ea ch . No w , Ro b er ta an d I d id go t o

2 t h e li b ra ri e s. U nf or t un at e ly , t he A F C, t h e

3 A p pl ic a ti on fo r f il in g C er t if ic a ti on , w as no t o n

4 h a nd y e t, b u t we wi ll ma ke su re th at a co p y is

5 a v ai la b le . Th is is a t t he Ba nn i ng B r an ch , t he

6 m a in l i br ar y , as we ll as t h e ce n tr al li br a ry . An d

7 t h is i s w he r e yo u c an go t h ro ug h t ho r ou gh l y wh a t

8 t h e pr o je ct is a b ou t.

9 A n d if yo u w ou ld li ke to c o nt ac t u s,

1 0 a g ai n, yo u c an f i ll o u t th e i nf o rm at i on t h at ’s

1 1 t h er e o n th e t ab l e, o r y ou ca n c al l o ur 8 0 0

1 2 n u mb er , o r y ou c a n co n ta ct us t h ro ug h t he e- ma i l.

1 3 T h an k y ou .

1 4 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th e C it y o f

1 5 H u nt in g to n B ea ch ha s a sk ed to h a ve s e ve ra l

1 6 s p ea ke r s, s t ar ti n g wi t h yo u r Ma y or , I b el i ev e, bu t

1 7 - - M r. We is s , is th at ho w y ou ’d li ke to d o i t?

1 8 M a da m M ay or , t ha n k yo u . A n d th a nk y o u

1 9 f o r yo u r ho s pi ta l it y. W e’ v e ap p re ci a te d b ei ng

2 0 h e re , a nd I lo ve yo ur hi gh te ch se tu p .

2 1 M A YO R H OU CH E N: G ee , t ha nk s .

2 2 G o od e v en in g . W e lc om e t o o ur C i ty o f

2 3 H u nt in g to n B ea ch . My na me is P a m J ul ie n H ou ch e n,

2 4 a n d I a m Ma y or .

2 5 W e ’r e v er y p le as e d to ha ve th e


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1 C a li fo r ni a E ne rg y C om m is si o n Co m mi tt e e pr e se nt

2 h e re i n H un t in gt o n Be a ch t o l is t en t o o ur ve ry

3 s e ri ou s c on c er ns an d o bj ec t io ns of t h e re o pe ni n g

4 o f U ni t s Nu m be r 3 a nd 4 in th e A ES e l ec tr i c

5 g e ne ra t in g p la nt .

6 F i rs t, I wi s h to fo rm a ll y a ck no w le dg e

7 t h at H u nt in g to n B ea ch re co g ni ze s t he cr it i ca l

8 s i tu at i on t h at t h e St a te o f C al i fo rn i a fa c es w i th

9 t h is e n er gy cr is i s. P oo rl y p la n ne d r eg ul a ti on ,

1 0 s t ra te g ic e r ro rs by e l ec tr i ca l u ti li t ie s, an d

1 1 p r ic e g ou gi n g by en er g y pr o du ce r s ha v e pl a ce d t he

1 2 s t at e i n tu r mo il .

1 3 T h e Co m mi ss i on w i ll p l ay a ke y r ol e i n

1 4 e n su ri n g ef f ec ti v e en e rg y c on se r va ti o n ef f or ts , a s

1 5 w e ll a s c re a ti ng ad di t io na l s ou r ce s o f en e rg y t ha t

1 6 a r e se n si ti v e to pr ot e ct in g p eo p le a n d th e

1 7 e n vi ro n me nt . My re ma r ks t o y ou ar e f oc us e d on

1 8 p r ot ec t in g t he p e op le an d t he e n vi ro n me nt . Th i s

1 9 i s b ec a us e A ES h a s a f as t t ra ck ap pl i ca ti o n be f or e

2 0 y o u th a t ha s t he po te n ti al fo r s te am r ol li n g,

2 1 a g ai n, th e p eo pl e a nd th e e nv ir o nm en t o f

2 2 H u nt in g to n B ea ch .

2 3 M o re s p ec if i ca ll y , Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h

2 4 w a nt s a ns we r s, a n sw er s i n d ir ec t r es p on se to t h e

2 5 r e al p r ob le m s th a t we fa ce . Ai r q ua l it y. A ES ha s


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1 s i gn if i ca nt ne ga t iv e i mp ac t o n t he q u al it y o f a ir

2 o f t he co mm u ni ty , e sp e ci al l y in th e a dj ac e nt

3 n e ig hb o rh oo d .

4 O c ea n w at er qu al i ty . Th e A ES p l an t i s

5 n o w be i ng l i nk ed to o c ea n c on ta m in at i on p r ob le m s

6 f o rc in g p os t in gs an d c lo su r es o f o ur be ac h es .

7 F a ci li t y bl i gh t. T he AE S p la nt is

8 u n si gh t ly a n d af f ec ts th e v al ue s o f a ll p r op er t ie s

9 s u rr ou n di ng th e p la nt .

1 0 F a ci li t y sa f et y. A ES pl an t i s a m aj o r

1 1 i n du st r ia l c om pl e x wh i ch r e qu ir e s a s pe ci a l pl a n

1 2 r e vi ew an d i ns pe c ti on th at mu st be d o ne b y t he

1 3 c i ty .

1 4 F u tu re fa ci l it y p la ns . Th e A ES pl an n er s

1 5 h a ve n o t de t ai le d t he i r fu t ur e p la ns fo r t he s i te ,

1 6 o r c om m it te d t o b ui ld i ng a co nt e mp or a ry l o w

1 7 p r of il e e nv i ro nm e nt al fr ie n dl y f ac il i ty s u ch a s

1 8 t h e En e rg y C om mi s si on ha s a pp ro v ed f o r M or ro Ba y.

1 9 C a li fo r ni a p ow er gr id . AE S h as no t m ad e

2 0 a co mm i tm en t t ha t t he po we r c re a te d i n Hu n ti ng t on

2 1 B e ac h, Ca li f or ni a , wi l l st a y in Ca li f or ni a t o b e

2 2 u s ed o n t he Ca li f or ni a g ri d .

2 3 ( A pp la u se .)

2 4 M A YO R H OU CH E N: L as tl y , th e C it y o f

2 5 H u nt in g to n B ea ch ob je c ts t o t he 60 d a y ti m et ab l e


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1 b e in g u se d f or t h is p r oj ec t . H o w ca n t he r e be an y

2 l e gi ti m at e p ub li c p ar t ic ip a ti on , a ss e ss me n t of

3 d a ta , a nd r e al m i ti ga t io n c re at e d fo r t hi s

4 p r oj ec t ? T h e pe o pl e a nd t h e en v ir on m en t a re a t

5 j e op ar d y as th is tr ai n r ac e s do w n th e t ra c k.

6 T h at c o nc lu d es m y r em a rk s. T ha n k yo u .

7 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u ve r y

8 m u ch .

9 ( A pp la u se .)

1 0 C O MM IS S IO NE R P ER N EL L: M ad a m Ma y or , I

1 1 w o ul d l ik e t o al s o, o n b eh a lf o f t he Co mm i ss io n ,

1 2 t h an k y ou f o r yo u r ho s pi ta l it y, an d t ha nk yo u f or

1 3 y o ur c o mm en t s.

1 4 L e t me ju st sa y t ha t w e wi l l ta k e th o se

1 5 c o mm en t s un d er a d vi se m en t, an d t he S t af f w il l b e

1 6 w o rk in g w it h t he ci ty . We un de r st an d w ha t y ou r - -

1 7 w e u nd e rs ta n d wh a t yo u r co n ce rn s a re , a nd we w a nt

1 8 t o m ak e s ur e t ha t t he y a re ad dr e ss ed .

1 9 A n d I w il l l ea ve my c a rd , w ou ld li ke to

2 0 l e av e i t wi t h yo u , an d y ou ca n c al l a t an y t im e .

2 1 A g ai n, th is is n o t -- we ’r e n ot he re to

2 2 a d ve rs e ly a f fe ct th e e nv ir o nm en t . T h er e i s a

2 3 c h al le n ge i n C al i fo rn i a, a n d we al l n ee d t o st e p

2 4 u p . A n d I t hi nk Hu nt i ng to n B ea c h is do in g t ha t ,

2 5 b u t we wa nt to d o i t i n a w ay t h at i s


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1 e n vi ro n me nt a ll y f ri en d ly , b ut a l so p r od uc e t he

2 p o we r.

3 Y o ur p o in t o n po w er g e ne ra t ed i n

4 C a li fo r ni a s ho ul d g o t o Ca l if or n ia ns fi rs t , I

5 t h in k i s a g oo d o ne . Bu t a ga in , w e a ll n e ed t o

6 w o rk t o ge th e r on th is is su e , an d I t h in k t og et h er

7 w e c an so lv e t hi s p ro b le m.

8 A n d I w an t t o th a nk y o u ag a in o n b eh a lf

9 o f t he Co mm i ss io n f or yo ur ho sp i ta li t y he r e.

1 0 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Mr . W or k ma n.

1 1 A S SI ST A NT C I TY A D MI NI S TR AT O R WO R KM AN :

1 2 G o od e v en in g . M y n am e i s B il l W or km a n. I ’m t h e

1 3 A s si st a nt C i ty A d mi ni s tr at o r fo r t he Ci ty of

1 4 H u nt in g to n B ea ch .

1 5 C u rr en t m ar k et c o nd it i on s a re d r iv in g a

1 6 s u pe r a cc el e ra te d p ro c es s f or r e vi ew an d a pp ro v al

1 7 o f t hi s p ar t ic ul a r pr o je ct . Th e r us h i s t o de a l

1 8 w i th t o da y’ s f ac i li ty . Th e C it y C ou n ci l a nd t h e

1 9 c i ty s t af f u rg e t he C o mm is s io n t o de a l wi t h

2 0 t o da y’ s i ss u es , b ut e q ua ll y i mp o rt an t i s t o de a l

2 1 w i th t o mo rr o w’ s i ss ue s .

2 2 M o re s p ec if i ca ll y a nd cl ea r ly , w e ne e d

2 3 t h e -- th e C om mi s si on to c o nd it i on a n y ap p ro va l o f

2 4 t h is r e to ol pr oj e ct w i th a ti me ce rt a in r e mo va l o f

2 5 t h e ex i st in g o ld fa ci l it y h er e i n Hu n ti ng t on


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1 B e ac h. W e e xp ec t r ep l ac em e nt o f t he ex is t in g

2 f a ci li t y wi t h a n ew , l ow p r of il e , ef f ic ie n t,

3 e n vi ro n me nt a ll y s en si t iv e n ei gh b or ho o d fr i en dl y

4 p r oj ec t , su c h as th e M or ro Ba y p ro je c t, w h ic h t he

5 M a yo r a ll ud e d to ju st a fe w m in u te s a go .

6 W e r ec o gn iz e t ha t t he el ec t ri ca l

7 f a ci li t y is a g ra nd f at he r ed u s e, b u t we ’ re l o ok in g

8 f o r a l on g- t er m s ol ut i on f o r th e c om m un it y a nd fo r

9 A E S. T o da t e, A E S ha s n ot co mm i tt ed to r e pl ac i ng

1 0 t h at f a ci li t y wi t h a c on te m po ra r y fa c il it y . T h is

1 1 p e rm it pr oc e ss p r ov id e s th e o pp o rt un i ty f o r th e

1 2 C o mm is s io n t o so l ve t h is s i tu at i on , b ot h o n th e

1 3 s h or t t er m a nd o n t he lo ng te rm .

1 4 T h an k y ou .


1 6 M r . Ol s en .

1 7 F I RE M A RS HA L O LS E N: P ow er Po in t

1 8 p r es en t at io n .

1 9 G o od e v en in g . M y n am e i s D ua ne Ol se n ,

2 0 I ’ m th e F ir e M ar s ha l h er e i n th e C it y o f

2 1 H u nt in g to n B ea ch fo r t he F i re D e pa rt m en t.

2 2 T o ni gh t I ’m go in g t o g iv e m or e o f a

2 3 t e ch ni c al r e vi ew , a b r ie f t ec hn i ca l r ev ie w o f t he

2 4 o p er at i ng p l an t a nd s o me o f o ur su gg e st io n s fo r

2 5 t h at .


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1 A n d wh a t it is , h er e i s th e f ir e f lo w

2 a n d op e ra ti n g re q ui re m en ts fo r t he A E S el e ct ri c al

3 g e ne ra t in g p la nt . An d I - - I m e nt io n o pe r at in g i n

4 t h er e, be ca u se w e ’r e c ur re n tl y r ev ie w in g t he u r ea

5 t o a mm o ni a d es ig n s ys t em a n d th e f ir e p ro t ec ti o n

6 r e qu ir e me nt s f or th at sy st e m, w h ic h m ay i n cl ud e

7 a d di ti o na l w at er su pp l ie s.

8 T h is - - t hi s p re s en ta t io n i s a r es ul t o f

9 t h e Fi r e De p ar tm e nt ’s re sp o ns e t o A ES ’s le tt e r,

1 0 w i ll s e rv e l et te r , fo r w at e r, a n d it ’ s ba s ed o n

1 1 t h e fo l lo wi n g. P ro je c t im p ac ts to t h e ci t y’ s

1 2 p u bl ic wa te r s ys t em , a bi li t y to me et fi re -- t h e

1 3 f i re p r ot ec t io n n ee ds , a nd fa ci l it y f ir e f lo w

1 4 r e qu ir e me nt s .

1 5 T h e de f in it i on o f f ir e f lo w h er e i s t ha t

1 6 f i re f l ow i s d es i gn ed , o r i s de f in ed as t h e -- th e

1 7 f l ow r a te o f w at e r su p pl y m ea su r ed a t 2 0 p si

1 8 r e si du a l pr e ss ur e t ha t i s a va il a bl e f or

1 9 f ir ef i gh ti n g. A nd e s se nt i al ly wh at th at me an s i s

2 0 t h at y o u ne e d ad d it io n al w a te r s up pl y a va i la bl e

2 1 a b ov e t he d o me st i c ne e ds t o f ig h t fi r e, a n d th i s

2 2 i n cl ud e s ou r h an d l in e s th a t we ne ed , f ix e d

2 3 s y st em s , fi x ed a p pl ia n ce s o ns it e , th a t ma y b e

2 4 r u nn in g a ll at t h e sa m e ti m e in th e e ve nt of a

2 5 m a jo r c on fl a gr at i on .


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1 M e et in g A ES pl an t f ir e f lo w r eq u ir em e nt s

2 c a n be ac co m pl is h ed b y o ne or a co mb i na ti o n of th e

3 f o ll ow i ng m e th od s . A b ov e- g ro un d w at e r st o ra ge

4 t a nk s a nd p r es su r e un i ts . An d w ha t I m ea n b y

5 p r es su r e un i ts a r e th a t yo u n ee d s om e k in d o f a

6 p r es su r e sy s te m i n or d er t o m ak e t ha t w at e r fl o w,

7 a n d ge n er al l y it ’ s pu m ps .

8 U n de rg r ou nd wa te r s to r ag e t an ks an d

9 p r es su r e un i ts . Re se r vo ir s a nd pr es s ur e u ni ts ,

1 0 a n d/ or th e c it y w at er su pp l y. A nd i t c ou l d be a

1 1 c o mb in a ti on , l ik e t he y i nd i ca te d , of on e, or a

1 2 c o mb in a ti on of - - o f a ll o f t he s e th i ng s.

1 3 T h e AE S p la n t is de ca d es o l d, a n d ha s n o

1 4 e x is ti n g re c or ds , s ta n da rd s o r r eq ui r em en t s fo r

1 5 p l an t f ir e f lo ws . We di d s om e r es ea r ch o n t hi s

1 6 p r io r t o th e m ee t in g, an d t he p l an t w as

1 7 e s se nt i al ly , o r t he a r ea w a s es s en ti a ll y d ee de d t o

1 8 t h e ci t y in 19 45 . Th e re ’s no b u il di n g pe r mi ts

1 9 t h at c u rr en t ly e x is t. T he si te wa s c on st r uc te d i n

2 0 1 9 58 t o 1 96 0 , th a t Mr . B la ck f or d a ll ud e d to

2 1 e a rl ie r .

2 2 H o we ve r , ba s ed o n n o b ui ld i ng p e rm it s ,

2 3 i t c am e m os t l ik e ly u n de r t he j u ri sd i ct io n o f a

2 4 s t at e a ge nc y o r a c ou n ty a g en cy .

2 5 T o a de q ua te l y ev a lu at e a nd an al y ze t h e


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1 i n op er a ti ve un it s , 3 a nd 4 , f ir e f lo w s

2 r e qu ir e me nt s , th e F ir e D ep a rt me n t is pr op o si ng th e

3 f o ll ow i ng a c ti on pl an .

4 W e w an t t o c on du c t a s ys te m at ic an d

5 c o mp re h en si v e re v ie w b y th e F ir e D ep a rt me n t

6 s e le ct i ng a co ns u lt an t r eg a rd in g o ns i te f i re f l ow

7 r e qu ir e me nt s , an d d o t hi s w it hi n 3 0 d ay s. T he

8 c o ns ul t an t’ s r ev i ew w o ul d i nc lu d e st u dy c u rr en t

9 a n d pa s t fi r e fl o w re q ui re m en ts as - - a s

1 0 d e te rm i ne d b y th e s ta t e an d f ed e ra l a ge nc i es .

1 1 E v al ua t e on s it e w at er st or a ge c a pa ci t y. E va lu a te

1 2 t h e fi x ed w a te r s pr ay sy st e ms t h at a r e cu r re nt l y

1 3 i n p la c e. E va lu a te t h e fo a m su p pl y s ys te m s th a t

1 4 a r e cu r re nt l y th e re . Ev al u at e t he f i re h y dr an t

1 5 l o ca ti o ns , t he ir ty pe s , an d - - a nd a l so t h ei r

1 6 l o ca ti o ns , w hi ch we c u rr en t ly d o n’ t h av e

1 7 i n fo rm a ti on on , b ut w e ’r e c ur re n tl y g at he r in g t ha t

1 8 i n fo rm a ti on .

1 9 A n d th e n ot h er o p er at i ng r e qu ir e me nt s

2 0 t h at w e w an t t o l oo k a t, c o ns id e ri ng th at we ’r e

2 1 l o ok in g a t U ni ts 3 an d 4 n o w, b u t we al so wa nt to

2 2 c o ns id e r Un i ts 1 an d 2 i nt o t hi s - - i nt o t hi s

2 3 s y st em . An d t ha t i s t he w a te r s er vi c e de m an d

2 4 w o ul d a ls o n ee d t o be co ns o li da t ed w i th t h e Un i ts

2 5 3 an d 4 u re a t o a mm on i a sc r ub be r s ys t em d e ma nd s


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1 c u rr en t ly b e in g d es ig n ed a n d fi n al iz e d by AE S i n

2 U n it s 1 a nd 2.

3 A n d th a t co n cl ud e s th e F ir e D ep a rt me n t’ s


5 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u, M r .

6 O l se n.

7 D o y ou ha ve a qu e st io n ?

8 C O MM IS S IO NE R P ER N EL L: I h a ve a

9 q u es ti o n. I s -- Mr . O ls en -- M r . Ol s en .

1 0 F I RE M A RS HA L O LS E N: Y es .

1 1 C O MM IS S IO NE R P ER N EL L: W he n y ou ta lk

1 2 a b ou t t he w a te r s up pl y , th a t is no t f or o p er at i ng

1 3 o f t he fa ci l it y, ju st fo r t he f i re p r ot ec t io n?

1 4 F I RE M A RS HA L O LS E N: W e we r e ta l ki ng

1 5 a b ou t t he f i re f l ow r e qu ir e me nt s . T h at ’s se pa r at e

1 6 f r om t h e do m es ti c s ys t em w h ic h i s re q ui re d b y t he

1 7 p l an t, th e - - th e u ni t s in or de r t o o pe ra t e.

1 8 S e pa ra t e sy s te m j us t f or f i re r e qu ir e me nt s . N o t

1 9 n e ce ss a ri ly is i t a s e pa ra t e sy s te m, bu t i t ne e ds

2 0 t o b e c on si d er ed an d r ev ie w ed t o d et e rm in e w he t he r

2 1 o r n ot it n e ed s t o be a se p ar at e s ys t em f o r fi r e

2 2 f l ow r e qu ir e me nt s .

2 3 C O MM IS S IO NE R P ER N EL L: T ha n k yo u .

2 4 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Al l r ig h t. M r.

2 5 W e is s.


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1 M R . WE I SS : Ok ay . An o th er Po we r P oi n t


3 G o od e v en in g . M y n am e i s M al co l m We i ss .

4 I am f i gh ti n g a l it tl e b it of a co ld , s o h op ef u ll y

5 m y v oi c e wi l l st a y -- st ay in ta c t.

6 I ’ m Sp e ci al Co un s el t o t he ci ty . We ’ ve

7 b e en w o rk in g v er y c lo s el y w it h t he c i ty o n t hi s

8 i s su e. W e’ v e be e n at t en di n g th e v ar i ou s h ea ri n gs ,

9 a n d we -- w e d o r ec og n iz e t he o v er al l c on c er n

1 0 w i th in th e s ta te ab ou t t he -- a b ou t t he p o we r

1 1 c r is is , b ut we a l so h a ve s o me v e ry s e ri ou s

1 2 c o nc er n s.

1 3 O n b eh a lf o f t he ci ty , w e h av e f il ed a

1 4 m o ti on wh ic h d oe s o pp o se t h e St a ff r e co mm e nd at i on

1 5 t o m ov e t hi s p ro c es s f or wa r d on a 60 da y s ch ed u le .

1 6 T h at s e em s t o be an a s su mp t io n t ha t e ve ry b od y i s

1 7 w o rk in g w it h , bu t a s I u nd e rs ta n d it , i t h as n o t

1 8 b e en a p pr ov e d by th e C om mi t te e, no r h as i t b ee n

1 9 a p pr ov e d by th e C om mi s si on . So we h a ve a c tu al l y

2 0 f i le d a m ot i on o b je ct i ng t o t ha t 6 0 d ay p r oc es s .

2 1 T h e re a so n - - th i s sl i de d o es s h ow w h y

2 2 t h e ci t y op p os es th e S ta ff re co m me nd a ti on on t h e

2 3 6 0 d ay pr oc e ss .

2 4 I ’ m no t g oi n g to go o v er t h e is s ue s.

2 5 E v er yb o dy ’s al re a dy h e ar d a t le a st t h e ve r y ti p o f


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1 t h e ic e be rg of w h at t h os e i ss ue s a re . Bu t t hi s

2 f a ci li t y is in a n u rb a n lo c at io n . I t s pr o xi mi t y

3 t o t he be ac h i s i t’ s r ig ht cr os s P CH . An d w e a re

4 v e ry c o nc er n ed t h at m e an in g fu l r ev ie w c an n ot b e

5 h e ar d w it hi n t he 60 d a y pe r io d.

6 L e t me gi ve yo u a l it t le b i t of

7 b a ck gr o un d. O n F eb ru a ry 7 t h, t h e Co m mi tt e e de e me d

8 t h is a p pl ic a ti on da ta ad eq u at e. T he r e wa s s om e

9 c o nc er n a bo u t th a t, a n d th e re w a s a d is se n ti ng

1 0 v o te . No ne t he le s s, t h e Co m mi tt e e di d d ee m i t d at a

1 1 a d eq ua t e. B ut t h e Co m mi tt e e wa s a ls o v er y

1 2 s p ec if i c th a t an y c ha n ge t h at - - t ha t t he sc he d ul e

1 3 m u st - - t ha t a ny ch an g e to th e s ch ed u le o f a 1 2

1 4 m o nt h p er io d f or re vi e w ne e de d t o be ap pr o ve d b y

1 5 t h e Co m mi ss i on .

1 6 W h en i t w as ap pr o ve d a s da t a ad e qu at e ,

1 7 i t w as ap pr o ve d o n a 1 2 mo n th t i me fr a me , b ec au s e

1 8 i t d id n ’t e v en q u al if y f or a si x m on t h fa s t tr a ck .

1 9 A da y l at er , t he go ve r no r i ss ue s h is ex ec u ti ve

2 0 o r de r, an d t he n e xt d a y we he ar th at th is ha s a ll

2 1 o f a s u dd en mo ve d t o a 6 0 d ay p r oc es s .

2 2 T h er e’ s b ee n s om e d is c us si o n ab o ut t h e

2 3 e x ec ut i ve o r de r. I p u t th e r el e va nt la ng u ag e - - I

2 4 p u t th e r el e va nt la ng u ag e o n th e s li d e. A nd I do

2 5 w a nt t o l ea d e ve r yb od y t hr o ug h t ha t, be ca u se I


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1 t h in k i t’ s i ns tr u ct iv e . I ca n’ t f in d w he r e th a t

2 e x ec ut i ve o r de r i s su p po se d t o i mp ac t t hi s p ro c es s

3 a n d th i s pr o je ct in t h e wa y t ha t i s b ei ng cl ai m ed .

4 W h at t h e or d er s a ys i n r el e va nt pa rt is

5 t h at t h e En e rg y C om mi s si on sh al l e xp e di te , t o t he

6 e x te nt fe as i bl e, th e p ro ce s s of ap pl i ca ti o ns , a nd

7 t h at t h e En e rg y C om mi s si on is a u th or i ze d, no t

8 r e qu ir e d, b u t au t ho ri z ed t o r ed u ce t h e ti m e in

9 w h ic h t o co n du ct a re a so na b le r e vi ew .

1 0 A d di ti o na ll y , th a t re a so na b le r e vi ew

1 1 m u st b e c on s is te n t wi t h th e o bj e ct iv e s of th e - -

1 2 o f e nv i ro nm e nt al pr ot e ct io n a nd th e p ro te c ti on of

1 3 p u bl ic he al t h an d s af e ty .

1 4 W e ’r e n ot s e ei ng , i n t hi s l an gu a ge ,

1 5 w h er e S ta ff is a b le t o u ni l at er a ll y m ak e a

1 6 d e ci si o n to fa st tr ac k t hi s p ro c es s o n a s up er

1 7 f a st t r ac k o f 60 da ys .

1 8 W e b el i ev e t he re ar e s om e d ef ic i en ci e s

1 9 i n t he ap pl i ca ti o n, a n d th o se d e fi ci e nc ie s i n t he

2 0 a p pl ic a ti on , w hi c h is on ly a ma t te r o f pa p er , d o

2 1 h a ve p o te nt i al ly re al im pa c ts . Th e S ta ff st at e s

2 2 t h at t h es e p ro bl e ms w i ll b e m it i ga te d b y

2 3 a d dr es s in g - - by ad dr e ss in g t he m i n c on di t io ns

2 4 o n ce t h e pe r mi t i s is s ue d. R ig h t no w , we do n’ t

2 5 h a ve a n y co m fo rt -- w e d on ’ t ha v e an y c on f id en c e


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1 t h at t h e pr o ce ss ti mi n g is go in g t o a ll ow th at to

2 o c cu r i n a m ea ni n gf ul wa y.

3 W e ’r e v er y c on ce r ne d t ha t w e -- we d o n’ t

4 e v en k n ow w h at s o me o f t he is su e s ar e . A s o f l es s

5 t h an a we ek ag o S ta ff wa s u na wa r e of ei gh t j et

6 e n gi ne s a t t he p e ak in g u ni t t ha t w er e a t t he

7 f a ci li t y. H ow m u ch m o re i s S ta f f un a wa re of ?

8 ( A pp la u se .)

9 M R . WE I SS : We b e li ev e t ha t t he r e is an

1 0 i n ad eq u at e r ev ie w p er i od . We b e li ev e t ha t t he

1 1 i s su es ne ed to b e i de n ti fi e d ve r y co n sc ie n ti ou s ly .

1 2 T h e Ap p li ca n t ne e ds t o p ro v id e a pp ro p ri at e d at a i n

1 3 r e sp on s e to th e r eq ue s ts f o r in f or ma t io n t ha t t he

1 4 C o mm is s io n, th e c it y, ot he r a ge n ci es , l oc a l,

1 5 f e de ra l a nd st at e , an d t he pu bl i c ne e d to ha ve

1 6 e n ou gh ti me to e v al ua t e th i s pr o ce ss .

1 7 W e ’v e h ea rd ab ou t a 6 0 d ay pr oc e ss .

1 8 W e ll , I ’m n o t su r e th a t it ’ s re a ll y a 6 0 d ay

1 9 p r oc es s . T o da y i s Fe b ru ar y 2 1s t . H e ar in g s on

2 0 t h is m a tt er ar e g oi ng to s t ar t M ar ch 14 th . I l oo k

2 1 a t t ha t a s a bo ut a th r ee w e ek p r oc es s t o h av e m os t

2 2 o f t hi s i nf o rm at i on - - t he qu es t io ns ev en

2 3 c o ns id e re d, th e i nf or m at io n r eq u es ts wr it t en , t he

2 4 A p pl ic a nt t o b e a bl e t o re s po nd , a nd fo r t he re to

2 5 b e a ny so rt of m e an in g fu l r ev ie w o f t hi s


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1 i n fo rm a ti on , i t’ s s up p os ed to r e al ly oc cu r i n

2 t h re e w ee ks . We l l, a g ai n, we t h in k t ha t’ s t oo

3 s h or t.

4 W h at d o w e p ro po s e? W e pr o po se th at th e

5 v o te o f t he Co mm i ss io n n ot to f a st t r ac k t hi s

6 p r oj ec t b e u ph el d . T h at ’s wh y w e fi l ed o u r

7 m o ti on .

8 S i mi la r ly , w e wa n t a d en ia l o f t he S t af f

9 r e co mm e nd at i on f o r a 6 0 da y r ev i ew p e ri od . We

1 0 w a nt t o e st a bl is h a r e as on a bl e r ev ie w s ch e du le in

1 1 l i gh t o f th e e ne r gy c r is is . Th a t on l y ma k es

1 2 s e ns e. B ut we n e ed t o a ls o l oo k a t d ev el o pi ng

1 3 a p pr op r ia te pe rm i t co n di ti o ns , a s ha s a lr e ad y b ee n

1 4 d i sc us s ed , a nd t h os e c on di t io ns do n e ed t o b e

1 5 c o mp re h en si v e in or de r t o p ro te c t he a lt h, sa fe t y

1 6 a n d th e e nv i ro nm e nt .

1 7 W e n ee d t o h av e t ha t p ro ce s s oc c ur w i th

1 8 e n ou gh ti me so t h er e c an b e m ea n in gf u l pu b li c

1 9 i n pu t.

2 0 I ap pr e ci at e y ou r a tt e nt io n . I f y ou

2 1 h a ve a n y qu e st io n s, I ’ ll b e h ap p y to an sw e r th e m.

2 2 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R W IL LI A MS : Si r, if y o u

2 3 c o ul d, an d i f al l t he sp ea k er s w ho c o me u p t o t he

2 4 p o di um , f or th e s ak e o f th e c ou r t re p or te r , if yo u

2 5 h a ve a bu si n es s c ar d, we w o ul d a pp re c ia te it i f


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1 y o u co u ld d r op i t o ff to h e r. T ha t’ l l he l p he r

2 w i th t h e sp e ll in g o f t he n a me s, an d s o fo r th .

3 M R . WE I SS : An d I d o h av e c op ie s o f t he

4 m o ti on th at we f i le d, in c a se y o u ha v en ’t al re a dy

5 r e ce iv e d it .

6 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Co u ld I as k M r.

7 W e is s, in y o ur m o vi ng pa pe r s, i n y ou r r em a rk h e re

8 y o u in d ic at e d th a t yo u w er e s ug g es ti n g th a t th e

9 C o mm is s io n a ba nd o n th e S ta f f’ s s ch ed u le , o r at

1 0 l e as t n ot a d op t i t, a n d go to s o me th i ng t h at y o u

1 1 c o ns id e r to be m o re r e as on a bl e.

1 2 I n y ou r m ov i ng p a pe rs , d o y ou d i sc us s

1 3 w h at y o u th i nk , f ro m t he c i ty ’s po in t o f v ie w,

1 4 w o ul d b e mo r e re a so na b le ?

1 5 M R . WE I SS : Th e p ro ce s s ha s b ee n m ov i ng

1 6 t o o fa s t in so me re sp e ct s. M at t , I d on ’t kn ow , I

1 7 c e rt ai n ly w o ul d l ik e t o gi v e yo u t he op po r tu ni t y,

1 8 a s w el l , to ad dr e ss t h at q u es ti o n.

1 9 W e - - w e ha v e no t c om e t o a

2 0 r e co mm e nd at i on a s t o w ha t w e th i nk w o ul d b e mo r e

2 1 r e as on a bl e. B ut it i s a bs o lu te l y cl e ar t h at t h e

2 2 6 0 d ay pe ri o d is ju st to o s ho rt .

2 3 M R . LA M B: Y es . Ma tt La mb , w it h t he

2 4 C i ty o f H un t in gt o n Be a ch .

2 5 I n g en e ra l, ou r t ho ug h t pr o ce ss wa s t ha t


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1 w e - - b as ed up on th e C om mi s si on ’ s re a di ng of t h e

2 a p pl ic a ti on , t ha t y ou di dn ’ t fi n d fo r s ix mo nt h s,

3 a n d yo u f ou n d fo r 1 2 m on th s . S o c er t ai nl y i n o ur

4 g e ne ra l i de a , we wo ul d t hi n k th a t at le as t a s i x

5 m o nt h p ro ce s s, i n o rd e r fo r t he r e to be a t l ea s t a

6 c o up le da ta re qu e st e x ch an g es f o r us to e v en l o ok

7 a t i nf o rm at i on , t o ev e n be -- e v en t h e ba r es t

8 p a rt ic i pa nt in t h is p r oc es s , a s ix m o nt h p ro ce s s,

9 t o m e, se em s , at le as t a t t he m i ni mu m , a s ta rt .

1 0 I th in k i f w e we r e -- if y o u we r e to

1 1 g i ve d i re ct i on t o S ta f f, w e c ou l d wo r k wi t h th e m

1 2 t o c ra f t a m or e m ea ni n gf ul sc he d ul e t ha t w ou ld be

1 3 m o re p a rt ic i pa to r y, a n d al l ow u s , th e c it y a nd

1 4 o t he r a ge nc i es , t o re a ll y u nd er s ta nd an d - -

1 5 i n st ea d o f j us t t ry in g t o p ut b a ck l o ad

1 6 c o nd it i on s, wh ic h m ay be v e ry b r oa d, it w o ul d

1 7 a l lo w u s to re al l y pu t s om e e ff o rt o n t he fi ne r

1 8 p o in ts . I’ m n ot ev en ta lk i ng a b ou t s pe nd i ng a lo t

1 9 o f t im e o n f in al , s ma l l li t tl e t it -t a t th i ng s, bu t

2 0 r a th er ve ry sp ec i fi c i ss ue s .

2 1 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Al l r ig h t. L et

2 2 m e j us t i nd i ca te fo r t he a u di en c e th a t’ s h er e, th e

2 3 C o mm it t ee w i ll s c he du l e a r ev ie w o f t he m o ti on , s o

2 4 a t s om e p oi n t in th e n ea rl y i mm e di at e f ut u re ,

2 5 w e ’l l g et c o mm en t s fr o m ot h er p a rt ie s a nd


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1 p a rt ic i pa nt s . A n d ag a in , i f yo u w il l s ig n u p o n

2 e - ma il or o n t he U. S. ma il li st , w e’ l l ke e p yo u

3 i n fo rm e d of wh at ’ s go i ng o n .

4 M R . WE I SS : I ap p re ci a te i t . T h an k y ou

5 v e ry m u ch .

6 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u.

7 T h at c o nc lu d es t h e re m ar ks fr om th e

8 c i ty . Is t h er e a ny o t he r g ov er n me nt a l ag e nc y

9 t h at ’s he re th at wo ul d l ik e t o a dd re s s th e

1 0 C o mm it t ee ?

1 1 A l l ri g ht . Th en I ha v e a s ta ck of b l ue

1 2 c a rd s, wh it e p ie c es o f p ap e r, a n d ot h er t h in gs

1 3 l i ke t h at , f or m e mb er s o f t he p u bl ic wh o h av e

1 4 a s ke d t o ha v e an op po r tu ni t y to sp ea k .

1 5 I t a pp e ar s t ha t w e ha v e so m et hi n g on th e

1 6 o r de r o f ab o ut 2 0 . W e ’r e n ot g o in g t o pu t a t i me

1 7 l i mi t o n it , b ut fo r t he p u rp os e o f u nd er s ta nd i ng ,

1 8 i f y ou ha pp e n to be l u ck y e no ug h , an d I - - I h a ve

1 9 t r ie d t o ta k e th e se i n t he or de r t ha t t he y h av e

2 0 b e en b r ou gh t u p t o us , t o b e on th e t op a n d no t o n

2 1 t h e bo t to m, if y o u co u ld j u st k e ep i n m in d t ha t

2 2 y o ur f e ll ow ci ti z en s a nd c o mm un i ty m e mb er s a re

2 3 h e re w i sh in g t o s pe ak , a nd ei th e r tr y n ot to b e

2 4 r e pe ti t iv e o f wh a t’ s b ee n s ai d b ef or e y ou , a nd as

2 5 d i re ct an d t o th e p oi n t as po ss i bl e.


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1 I th in k n ot on ly wo ul d i t h el p t he

2 p r oc ee d in gs , b ut it ’s a -- it ’s a fi n e co u rt es y t o

3 y o ur f e ll ow Hu nt i ng to n B ea c h ci t iz en s .

4 A l l ri g ht . We h a ve M r . Mi c ha el S ca vo ,

5 i s i t? Si r .

6 M R . SC A VO : He ll o . M y n am e i s M ik e

7 S ca vo . I’ m a B u si ne s s Ag e nt f o r Lo c al 2 5 0. B ut

8 f i rs t a nd f o re mo s t, I am a ci ti z en o f H un t in gt o n

9 B e ac h, bo rn an d r ai se d i n H un ti n gt on Be ac h , we n t

1 0 t o P ar kv i ew S c ho ol , M ar i na H i gh S c ho ol , G ol d en

1 1 W e st C o ll eg e , an d I ’m a gr a du at e o f L on g B ea ch

1 2 S t at e.

1 3 I ca me do wn ba si c al ly to s p ea k a bo ut

1 4 s o me u n io n i ss ue s , bu t w e’ r e go i ng t o l et th os e

1 5 s l id e s o I’ m n ot go in g t o t al k a bo ut ho w t he y’ r e

1 6 p a yi ng mo re mo ne y t o b ri ng ou t o f st a te p e op le in

1 7 t h an i t w ou l d co s t to br in g u ni o n pe o pl e i n. S o

1 8 I ’ m go i ng t o t ak e m y j ac ke t o ff , a nd I’ m g oi ng to

1 9 t a lk a b ou t t he i s su es of H u nt in g to n B ea ch .

2 0 T h is i s a d e re gu l at io n i ss u e. A nd w h at

2 1 d e re gu l at io n m ea n s is th er e i s n o on e y ou ca n c al l

2 2 t o t o sa y s te p u p t he e n er gy , l ik e t he r e us e d to

2 3 b e w he n - - w he n t he re wa s o nl y E di so n a nd PG &E ,

2 4 a n d th e y ha d t o t ur n t he e l ec tr i ci ty on . Th ey

2 5 c a ll u p n ow , a nd th ey sa y w e ne e d mo r e en e rg y, an d


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1 t h ey s a y we ca n’ t m ak e i t.

2 T h ey t a lk a b ou t h ow t h ey ’r e a g o od

3 n e ig hb o r. W el l, if t h ey w e re a go od ne ig h bo r,

4 t h en t h ey w o ul d’ v e le t e ve r yb od y k no w w ha t w as

5 g o in g o n wh e n th e y ha d t he cu rt a in s u p ar o un d

6 t h ei r p la nt , a nd th ey we re ta ki n g pi p e do w n an d

7 t h ey w e re t a ki ng al l k in ds of s t uf f d ow n w it ho u t

8 p e rm it s . I fi rm l y be l ie ve , a ft e r th e v is i t th a t I

9 s a w to d ay , t ha t t he y w er e p la nn i ng o n b ui l di ng

1 0 t h is t h in g w it ho u t pe r mi ts un ti l s om e bo dy st op p ed

1 1 t h em . I do n ’t k n ow w h at t h e st o ry i s , bu t t he r e’ s

1 2 p i pe a l l ov e r th e p la c e. T he re ’ s tu b es a l l ov e r

1 3 t h e pl a ce . Th ey ’ re a s ki ng fo r p er mi t s, a n d al l

1 4 t h is s t uf f i s al r ea dy in p l ac e.

1 5 M y c ol l ea gu e , Te r ry M o rt on , a nd I ca m e

1 6 d o wn t o M r. Wo rk m an ’s of fi c e th e o th e r da y , an d w e

1 7 d i sc us s ed t h e -- th e f ac t t ha t m ay be we c o ul d s lo w

1 8 d o wn t h is p r oc es s b ec a us e t he re ’ s a c og en si tt i ng

1 9 o v er o n K ra m er A v en ue in A n ah ei m t ha t ’s b e en

2 0 d o rm an t f or ab ou t t en ye ar s , an d m ay b e th e y co u ld

2 1 b e a sk e d to fi re th at c og en up t o r el i ev e s om e o f

2 2 t h e pr e ss ur e t ha t H un t in gt o n Be a ch h a s, l i ke t h e

2 3 b r ow no u ts a t c it y h al l , an d a ll th at .

2 4 W e ’r e s ti ll wo rk i ng o n t ha t . T h at ’s a

2 5 p r oa ct i ve m o ve . Th at ’ s th i nk in g a he a d.


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1 I ju st jo tt e d do w n so m e no t es t h at t h ey

2 w e re t a lk in g a bo u t. A nd r e al ly , t he tr ut h r ea l ly

3 i s , is wh at th ey we re su pp o se d t o br i ng i n a nd

4 w h at t h ey w e re s u pp os e d to br in g i n w as d e mo li s h 3

5 a n d 4, pu t i n a c le an bu rn i ng n a tu ra l g as

6 f a ci li t y, a e st he t ic al l y co r re ct , y ad a, y ad a, y ad a,

7 a n d al l o f a s ud d en h e re c o me s t he e n er gy cr is i s.

8 T h is w a s on th e t ab le tw o y ea rs ag o. A ll ri gh t .

9 D e re gu l at io n c am e a ro u nd t h re e y ea rs ag o, if I ’ m

1 0 n o t mi s ta ke n . T h en t h er e’ s a n e ne rg y c ri s is . No w

1 1 w e h av e t o b ui ld a di n os au r . N o w we ha ve to r e do

1 2 a di no s au r.

1 3 A n d wh a t I’ m s ay i ng i s t hi s . A m az in g ly ,

1 4 t h e Ci t y of So ut h ga te do es no t w an t t he c l ea ne s t

1 5 b u rn in g n at u ra l g as p o we rh o us e i n th e ir c i ty . Ye t

1 6 w e , wh o a lr e ad y h av e a p ow e r ho u se i n o ur ba ck

1 7 y a rd , h av e t o se t tl e f or w h at ev e r th e y te l l us

1 8 t h at w e h av e t o b ri ng in .

1 9 I fi nd th at ap pa l li ng . I h av e q ui te a

2 0 f e w me m be rs of m y l oc a l un i on t h at l i ve i n t hi s

2 1 t o wn h e re , a nd w h il e t he y’ r e br i ng in g m em b er s i n,

2 2 o r p eo p le i n f ro m o ut of s t at e - - th e y’ ve al re a dy

2 3 b r ou gh t t he m i n, th ey ’ re c a ll in g a ll ov er th e

2 4 c o un tr y r ig h t no w , to ma n t hi s j ob , a t mo r e mo n ey

2 5 t h an t h e un i on s m ak e, th ey ’ re a c tu al l y pu t ti ng th e


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1 i n fr as t ru ct u re o f t hi s c it y o ut of w o rk . An d i f

2 m y m em b er s c ou ld st an d u p, I’ d r ea ll y a pp r ec ia t e

3 i t .

4 T h es e a re t h e pe o pl e t ha t p ay t h e ta x es

5 o f C al i fo rn i a.

6 ( A pp la u se .)

7 M R . SC A VO : Th es e a re th e p eo pl e t ha t

8 b u y th e ir c a rs i n H un t in gt o n Be a ch . Th es e a re th e

9 p e op le th at ha ve ho us e s in Hu nt i ng to n B ea c h. A nd

1 0 t h es e a re t h e pe o pl e t ha t b ui lt th is ci ty . Al l

1 1 r i gh t. A nd we w o rk f o r le s s mo n ey t h an w h at ’s

1 2 i n si de th at pl an t r ig h t no w . N o t an is su e t od a y.

1 3 W h at I am s a yi ng is t h is . Th e i ss ue is

1 4 t h is , l ad ie s a nd ge nt l em en . I d o no t hi ng bu t r ea d

1 5 t h e pa p er s, an d I u nd e rl in e s tu f f, a n d I h av e a

1 6 n i ce b i g fi l e th a t if th is go es to a fo rm a l

1 7 h e ar in g t ha t I ’l l b ri n g up . Bu t y ou kn ow wh at I

1 8 r e ad i n t he pa pe r o ne da y? T ha t t he y ’r e s en di n g

1 9 t h ei r p ow er to T e xa s, an d t he y’ r e br i ng in g i t b ac k

2 0 t o C al i fo rn i a. S o do th ey re al l y ca r e ab o ut t h e

2 1 C i ty o f H un t in gt o n Be a ch ?

2 2 I do n’ t k no w . M a yb e t he y c an a n sw er

2 3 t h at w h en t h ey g e t th e ir t i me o n t he fl oo r , bu t

2 4 I ’ m ju s t -- th at do es n ’t m a ke s e ns e t o me . Ok a y.

2 5 I t j us t d oe s n’ t m ak e s en se .


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1 Y o u ta l k ab o ut - - t he ge nt l em an go t u p

2 a n d ta l ke d a bo ut ho w t hi s i s go i ng t o b e t he

3 c l ea ne s t bu r ni ng po we r h ou s e of it s t yp e. O f

4 c o ur se . It ’ s 40 ye ar s o ld . We wa nt a po w er h o us e

5 i n h er e t ha t ’s b r an d- n ew , t ha t b as ic a ll y i s go i ng

6 t o r un wi th o ut u s in g s ea w a te r f or c o ol in g w at e r,

7 o r t he y w ou l dn ’t be p u tt in g i t i n So u th ga t e or ou t

8 i n t he de se r t, a n d pl a ce s l ik e t ha t. T he r e’ s a

9 b u nc h o f th e m be i ng b u il t r ig ht no w. A nd th ey ’ re

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1 4 f r om g o in g o n th e w ay it s h ou ld be g o in g o n.

1 5 Y o u ha v e an ou t o f st a te c o mp an y . A E S

1 6 i s o ut of V i rg in i a, t h ey c a me i n u nd e r

1 7 d e re gu l at io n . A n d th e y’ re tr yi n g to pu ll th e w oo l

1 8 o v er y o ur e y es . Ma yb e t he r e is an e n er gy

1 9 s h or ta g e. T ha t’ s f or th e g ov er n or a n d ev e ry on e

2 0 e l se . Bu t w ha t I ’m s a yi ng is t h is . To f a st t r ac k

2 1 a n o ld po we r h ou s e li k e th i s, w h en t h e pr o mi se wa s

2 2 t o b ri n g in cl ea n b ur n in g, ae st h et ic a ll y b ea ut i fu l

2 3 p o we r t ha t’ s a lr e ad y i n ou r b ac k y ar d , I f ee l t ha t

2 4 w e ’v e b ee n d ec ei v ed .

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1 t o ur t o da y o f th a t pl a nt a n d se e w ha t ’s b e en d o ne ,

2 a n d to se e w ha t’ s l ay i ng a r ou nd ou t t he re . An d

3 I ’ m so r ry , I m ad e a w r on g t ur n a nd I en de d u p i n

4 t h e fa t s ho p o ut th er e , an d I s e e wh a t th e y’ re

5 p r ep ar e d to do . Ok ay .

6 I wa nt th e t ru th fr om AE S. I w a nt t h em

7 t o c om e u p, or s o me on e t o c om e u p an d s ay th at

8 t h is p o we r i s go i ng t o g o t o Ca l if or n ia . Be ca u se

9 i n t he ne ws p ap er , T he Re gi s te r t ha t I r ea d , an d

1 0 I ’ ll b r in g i t up , I ’v e g ot it i n m y c ar , i t sa y s

1 1 t h at i t ’s g o in g t o Te x as f i rs t.

1 2 I s t ha t p ro a ct iv e ? I do n’ t k no w w ha t

1 3 t h at i s . T h at ’s -- t h at ’s fu nn y t o m e. I - - I ’m

1 4 j u st a no rm a l ci t iz en he re , a nd I’ m j us t t al ki n g

1 5 o f f th e s ea t o f m y pa n ts . Bu t w ha t I ’m s a yi ng is

1 6 t h is . I li v e in th is to wn . An d t he el ec t ri c

1 7 b i ll s a re c o mi ng ou t. T he r e’ s a lt er n at iv e w ay s o f

1 8 d o in g i t. T he re sh ou l d be de al s m ad e o n t he o t he r

1 9 s i de s o w e c an s l ow ly bu t s ur el y g et in to th is .

2 0 A n d wh a t I’ m s ay i ng i s t hi s . M y t ou r

2 1 t o da y a t Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h w as a n e ye - op en e r,

2 2 b e ca us e i t’ s e ve r yt hi n g th a t I k ne w w as o u t th e re ,

2 3 b u t th e y ju s t wo u ld n’ t l et me i n t he ga te to s e e.

2 4 I th an k y ou ve ry mu ch fo r y ou r t im e.

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3 M R . KE R IN S: G oo d e ve n in g. T ha n k yo u

4 f o r co m in g t o th e C it y o f H un ti n gt on Be ac h , an d w e

5 l o ok f o rw ar d t o y ou r c on ti n ue d w or ks h op s h er e i n

6 t h e ci t y.

7 M y n am e i s E d K er in s , an d I r e pr es e nt

8 H u nt in g to n B ea ch To mo r ro w, wh ic h i s a c iv i c ac t io n

9 g r ou p c on ce r ne d w it h t he q u al it y o f l if e f or t h e

1 0 c i ti ze n s of Hu nt i ng to n B ea c h.

1 1 O u r ma j or c o nc er n t ha t t hi s p ro j ec t w il l

1 2 b e a pp r ov ed an d c on st r uc ti o n st a rt ed wi th o ut t h e

1 3 c o nd it i on s o f ap p ro va l t ha t w il l a ss u re t h e

1 4 m i ti ga t io n o f ai r , wa t er , a nd e c on om i c im p ac ts

1 5 t h at t h is p r oj ec t w il l c au s e.

1 6 T h e ci t y ha s d oc u me nt e d th e se c o nc er n s.

1 7 I re vi e we d t he ir do cu m en ta t io n, an d y ou h a ve t h em .

1 8 S o y ou kn ow wh at th e p ro bl e ms a r e.

1 9 W h il e p ar ti c ip at i ng i n t he En er g y

2 0 C o mm is s io n’ s t el e co nf e re nc e w or k sh op he ld la st

2 1 w e ek i n S ac r am en t o, t h e En e rg y C om mi s si on St af f

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2 A c t.

3 T h is a l so i n di ca t es t o u s t ha t o ur

4 c h il dr e n an d t he i r ch i ld re n c ou l d be su bj e ct t o

5 t h e im p ac ts of t h is 5 0 y ea r o ld te ch n ol og y f or

6 a n ot he r 5 0 y ea rs . We ca n’ t l et th at ha pp e n.

7 H u nt in g to n B ea ch To mo r ro w r ec om m en ds th e

8 f o ll ow i ng . Th at AE S c om mi t t o a n ew pl an t w it h

9 m o de rn te ch n ol og y t o r ep la c e th e c ur r en t p la nt ,

1 0 w h ic h i s 40 ye ar s o ld , a s s oo n a s po s si bl e . T h is

1 1 s h ou ld be a co nd i ti on of a p pr ov a l by th e E ne rg y

1 2 C o mm is s io n.

1 3 S e co nd l y, t h at t h e En e rg y C om mi s si on

1 4 d e fe r m it ig a ti on -- o r t he re to o li ng ap pr o va l

1 5 u n ti l a ll e n vi ro n me nt a l im p ac ts ar e k no wn , a nd

1 6 m i ti ga t io n m ea su r es d e te rm i ne d.

1 7 T h ir d, if y o u ch o os e t he f a st t r ac k

1 8 p r oc es s , pe r t he go ve r no r’ s d ir e ct io n , th e n AE S

1 9 s h ou ld pu t i n X m il li o ns o f d ol l ar s i nt o a

2 0 m i ti ga t io n a cc ou n t, w h ic h v ar io u s ag e nc ie s a nd AE S

2 1 c a n us e f or mi ti g at io n p ur p os es .

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2 4 O r n ew eq ui p me nt to p e rf or m a dd i ti on a l tr e at me n t

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3 d o n’ t k no w. B ut wh at e ve r t he s t ud ie s s ho w t ha t

4 s h ou ld be d o ne . An d a ll o f t hi s c os t s mo n ey .

5 W i th ou t a ss u ra nc e t ha t m it i ga ti o n

6 m e as ur e s wi l l be in p l ac e b ef or e t he ex pa n de d

7 p l an t o pe ra t io n b eg in s , le g al r e co ur s e to st op th e

8 p r oj ec t w il l b e i n or d er . Wh en th e A me ri c an

9 t r ad er sh ip sp il l ed o i l on ou r b ea ch e s he r e a

1 0 c o up le of y e ar s a go , t he c o ur t r en de r ed a n $ 18

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1 2 w e re c l os ed . We su gg e st t h at t h e En e rg y

1 3 C o mm is s io n a vo id th is po ss i bi li t y by as su r in g t ha t

1 4 a l l en v ir on m en ta l i mp a ct m i ti ga t io n m ea su r es a r e

1 5 i n p la c e pr i or t o p la n t re t oo li n g.

1 6 T h an k y ou .

1 7 ( A pp la u se .)

1 8 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u, M r .

1 9 K er in s .

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2 2 p e rs on so rt of s t an di n g by he re .

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2 4 W ol fe .

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2 N e ig hb o rh oo d A ss o ci at i on .

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4 r e co rd as o p po si n g th e f as t t ra c k of th is

5 p e rm it t in g p ro ce s s. T he y b el ie v e th a t th e

6 i n te re s t of ou r m em be r sh ip wo ul d b e b es t s er ve d i f

7 i t t oo k a n o rm al co ur s e.

8 W e f ir s t me t w it h A ES in t h e fa l l of

9 1 9 98 , a nd i n t ha t m ee t in g w e we r e of th e

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1 3 O c to be r , la t e Oc t ob er of 2 0 00 , w e fo u nd o u t th a t

1 4 r a th er th an a st a te o f t he ar t n ew p l an t, wh at we

1 5 w e re g o in g t o ge t w as a fi x o f t he o l d pl a nt . AE S

1 6 h a d tw o y ea r s to de te r mi ne wh at wa s i n th e b es t

1 7 i n te re s t of -- o f t he i r co m pa ny , a nd no w w e, t h e

1 8 p e op le th at li ve in t h e sh a do w t ha t t ha t p la nt ,

1 9 a r e gi v en 6 0 d ay s t o d et er m in e w ha t’ s i n t he ir

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7 A Q MD s a ys t h at w e ll , t ha t’ s n ot th e

8 w h ol e s to ry . Yo u h av e t o k no w h ow m u ch t h e pl a nt

9 i s g oi n g to op er a te b e fo re yo u c an b e gi n t o

1 0 u n de rs t an d t he l e ve l o f po l lu ti o n. A nd s o i n

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1 6 a 19 54 st ea m t ur b in e p la nt in M or ro Ba y. T he y

1 7 e x pe ct to s p en d $ 60 0 m il li o n br i ng in g t he la te s t

1 8 t e ch no l og y t o th a t, a n d th e y’ re pl an n in g a 4 0

1 9 p e rc en t r ed u ct io n i n - - in po ll u ti on . So it ’s

2 0 d i ff ic u lt f o r us to r e al ly un de r st an d w ha t i s t he

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2 2 i m pr ov e u s?

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2 4 t h at t h e in f or ma t io n g oi ng ou t i s le a di ng pe op l e

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2 t h in k t ha t’ s t he ca se . Bu t I t h in k t ha t’ s o ne of

3 t h e th i ng s t ha t a l on g er p r oc es s w ou l d he l p us to

4 u n de rs t an d.

5 A -- a ho me o wn er th es e d ay s w ho wa tc h es

6 h i s wa t er h e at er bu rn e r fl i ck o f f an d o n

7 u n de rs t an ds wh at it t a ke s t o ra i se a 40 g a ll on

8 t a nk 2 0 d eg r ee s i n te m pe ra t ur e. I t t ak es a lo t o f

9 e n er gy . I t hi nk we c a n ge t s om e u nd e rs ta n di ng of

1 0 w h at a di no s au r t hi s p la nt is b y l oo k in g a t th e

1 1 a m ou nt of e n er gy th at ’ s wa s te d. E ve r y da y 3 00

1 2 m i ll io n g al l on s o f wa t er i s r ai s ed 2 0 d eg r ee s a nd

1 3 t h en i t g oe s o ut to t h e oc e an . Wh at a wa s te o f

1 4 e n er gy in a da y w he n o ur c o un tr y i s c ry in g t o b e

1 5 e n er gy in de p en de n t. I t wo u ld s e em t o m e t ha t a s a

1 6 m a tt er of c o ns ci e nc e, we c o ul dn ’ t go fo rw a rd w i th

1 7 t h is o l d, a r ch ai c t ec h no lo g y.

1 8 A E S is su rr o un de d b y 5 0 mi l es o f c it y o n

1 9 t h e no r th , t he e a st , a nd o n t he we st . An d o n t he

2 0 s o ut h, we h a ve a mi le of b e ac h t ha t i s cl o se d a

2 1 g o od m a ny d a ys o f e ve r y ye a r. I t se e ms t o m e t ha t

2 2 i f e ve r a s i tu at i on c r ie d o ut f o r th e l at e st

2 3 t e ch no l og y, fo r t he m o st u p t o d at e s ci en c e, f o r

2 4 t h e mo s t po l lu ti o n fr e e pl a nt , i t wo u ld b e t hi s

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1 I wo ul d c lo s e ag a in i n s ay i ng t h at A E S

2 h a d tw o y ea r s to de ci d e wh a t wa s i n t he ir be st

3 i n te re s t. F or G o d’ s s ak es , g iv e u s a t le a st s i x

4 m o nt hs .

5 ( A pp la u se .)

6 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : An d b eh i nd M r .

7 W ol fe wi ll be M r . Do n M cG e e.

8 M R . WO L FE : Go od ev en i ng , C om mi s si on e rs ,

9 m e mb er s o f t he C o mm it t ee . Ma rk W ol fe , o n b eh al f

1 0 o f C UR E .

1 1 F i rs t, we ’d ju st li ke to s a y th a t we

1 2 w a nt t h e li g ht s t o be on t h is s u mm er , a s w el l, an d

1 3 t h at w e w il l s up p or t t he E n er gy Co mm i ss io n ’s

1 4 e f fo rt s t o m ak e s ur e t ha t h ap pe n s, s o l on g a s i t’ s

1 5 c o ns is t en t w it h t he l a w as wr it t en .

1 6 N o w, a l on g t ho se li ne s , I’ d l ik e t o

1 7 o b se rv e t ha t G ov e rn or Da vi s i ss u ed s e ve ra l

1 8 e x ec ut i ve o r de rs a co u pl e o f we e ks a g o. O ne o f

1 9 t h em a u th or i ze d t he C o mm is s io n p oi nt e dl y, I

2 0 t h ou gh t , to su sp e nd e n ti re l y th e p ro v is io n s of th e

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2 2 a m en dm e nt s. A pp l ic an t s th a t al r ea dy ha ve li ce n se s

2 3 t h at w a nt t o a me n d th e l ic e ns es to i n cr ea s e

2 4 c a pa ci t y do n ’t n e ed t o g o t hr ou g h th e p ro c es s.

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1 d o t he sa me fo r t he s i ti ng pr ov i si on s o f W ar re n

2 A lq ui s t, a s t he y a pp l y to re to o l pr o je ct s s uc h a s

3 t h is o n e. M ay be he s h ou ld ’ ve . We c o ul d a rg ue

4 a b ou t t ha t a ll w e w an t ed . Bu t t he p o in t r em ai n s,

5 t h e En e rg y C om mi s si on , a lt h ou gh au th o ri ze d t o

6 e x pe di t e th e p ro c es s, ca nn o t su s pe nd it , a nd

7 t h er ef o re m u st m a ke t h e ex a ct s a me f i nd in g s wi t h

8 t h is p r oj ec t a s i t wo u ld h a ve t o i n a ny 1 2 m on t h

9 o r s ix mo nt h p ro j ec t. T he su bs t an ti v e re q ui re m en t

1 0 o f f in d in gs ha ve no t c ha ng e d.

1 1 A n d so th e q ue st i on b e fo re us i s c an we

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1 3 w e ek s t ha t c an s u pp or t t he sa me fi nd i ng s t ha t m us t

1 4 b e m ad e u nd e r Wa r re n A lq ui s t, n o t to me nt i on C E QA ?

1 5 I t d oe s n’ t l oo k l ik e t ha t’ s g oi n g to be p o ss ib l e.

1 6 A n d I w ou ld po in t o ut th at de fe r re d m it ig a ti on ,

1 7 a p pr ov i ng a pr oj e ct a n d th e n re q ui ri n g fu t ur e

1 8 s t ud ie s i s a b ig no -n o u nd e r th e C al i fo rn i a

1 9 E n vi ro n me nt a l Qu a li ty Ac t, as w e s ho u ld k n ow .

2 0 O u r co n ce rn is t h at i f t he Co mm i ss io n

2 1 e m ba rk s o n t hi s p ro ce s s of es se n ti al l y co m pl et i ng

2 2 a 12 m o nt h A FC i n 6 0 d ay s, th e p er ma n en t d am ag e

2 3 w i ll b e n ot ju st to t h e en v ir on m en t h er e, bu t t o

2 4 t h e in t eg ri t y of th e W ar re n A lq ui s t pr o ce ss .

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1 w i ll s a y li s te n, yo u e xp ed i te d i t fo r t he m , wh y

2 n o t ex p ed it e i t f or u s ?

3 W e ’r e a ls o c on ce r ne d t ha t t o ap p ro ve th e

4 p r oj ec t i n 6 0 da y s co u ld o n ly b e d on e w it h

5 f u nc ti o na ll y a w i nk a n d a n od a t W ar r en A lq ui s t,

6 a n d we th in k t ha t t ha t w ou l d un d er mi n e th e E ne r gy

7 C o mm is s io n’ s c re d ib il i ty w h ic h s o fa r h as be en

8 b e yo nd re pr o ac h, qu it e f ra n kl y. A nd we w o ul d h at e

9 t o s ee a se n se i n t he st at e , no t j us t i n

1 0 H u nt in g to n B ea ch bu t e ls ew h er e, th at Wa rr e n

1 1 A lq ui s t is no t b ei ng en fo r ce d b y th e E ne r gy

1 2 C o mm is s io n.

1 3 S o w ha t c an we d o ? W e w ou l d in v it e t he

1 4 C o mm is s io n t o co n si de r a n a pp ro a ch t h at w o ul d t ak e

1 5 t h e fo l lo wi n g fo r m. N ow , w e ha v en ’t re se a rc he d

1 6 t h is i n d et a il . As su m in g t ha t t he f e de ra l p er m it s

1 7 c a n be se cu r ed b y t he be gi n ni ng of t h e su m me r, an d

1 8 t h at i s a b i g as s um pt i on , w e al l k no w t ha t t hi s

1 9 p r oj ec t c an n ot b e gi n c on st r uc ti o n wi t ho ut a

2 0 f e de ra l P SD pe rm i t, w h ic h i n tu r n ca n ’t b e i ss u ed

2 1 u n ti l E PA c o mp le t es i t s co n su lt a ti on wi th th e F is h

2 2 a n d Wi l dl if e S er v ic e. B ut le t’ s a ss u me t h at t h at

2 3 c a n be do ne be fo r e th e s um m er .

2 4 W e w ou l d su g ge st so me fo rm of

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1 p e rm it t ed t o c on s tr uc t t he pr oj e ct a n d op e ra te it

2 o n ly d u ri ng th e s um me r o f 2 00 1, an d o nl y w he n t he

3 s t at e’ s o pe r at in g r es e rv es fa ll be lo w 1 .5 pe rc e nt .

4 A n d ev e n th e n, a l l po w er m u st b e s ol d i n s ta te to

5 g r id s s er vi n g Ca l if or n ia u t il it i es a t r ea s on ab l e

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1 5 s a me f o ot u p si de th ei r b ac k si de .

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8 c o ns id e ri ng th e A ng el s , mi g ht n o t be al l t ha t

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3 M R . SC H UL Z: G oo d e ve n in g. T ha n k yo u

4 a l l fo r i nv i ti ng me h e re , g iv in g m e t he

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9 W e ’d l i ke t o s ee it b u il t w it h t he m o st

1 0 h i gh ly sk il l ed , t ra in e d wo r ke rs th at ca n b ui ld

1 1 t h is p l an t, be ca u se i f f ai l ur es re su l t fr o m

1 2 i m pr op e r cr a ft sm a ns hi p i n b ui ld i ng i t , th e e nt i re

1 3 s t at e’ s g oi n g to pa y t he p r ic e. W it h t he pr of i ts

1 4 t h at t h es e o ut o f s ta t e ge n er at o rs a r e ma k in g,

1 5 t h ey c a n ce r ta in l y pa y a re a s ta n da rd pr ic e s to th e

1 6 w o rk er s w ho wo rk in t h is a r ea .

1 7 R e me mb e r, i f i t - - if it d o es n’ t d o t he

1 8 j o b ri g ht , t he re ar e o th er pl an t s in Ca li f or ni a .

1 9 T h e -- th e p ri ce s o f e le ct r ic it y t ha t a re st il l

2 0 b e in g g en er a te d a re g o in g t o be hi gh e r. A nd w h o’ s

2 1 g o in g t o pa y t ha t p ri c e? I t’ s g oi ng to b e t he

2 2 C a li fo r ni a c on su m er , a ga in , a nd ag ai n , an d a ga i n.

2 3 T h an k y ou v e ry m u ch .

2 4 ( A pp la u se .)

2 5 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : We ha ve ab ou t a


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1 d o ze n o r so , d oz e n to 15 m o re r e qu es t s. I t’ s

2 q u ar te r t o s ev en . We ne ed ju st a br i ef b r ea k u p

3 h e re a t 7 :0 0 o ’c l oc k, so w e ’r e g iv in g y ou ab ou t a

4 1 5 m in u te h e ad s u p. N ot a s ki ng an yb o dy t o

5 c o mp le t e ev e ry th i ng b y 7 :0 0 o ’c l oc k, bu t j us t s o

6 w e c an ge t a l it t le r e li ef he re , a nd we h a ve t o

7 t a ke a b ou t a t en mi nu t e br e ak a t 7 :0 0 o ’c l oc k.

8 B u t, M r . B er ke y , wh y d on ’ t yo u g o a he ad ,

9 p l ea se , s ir .

1 0 M R . BE R KE Y: A ll ri gh t . I do n’ t b el i ev e

1 1 t h at I ne ed 15 m i nu te s .

1 2 ( L au gh t er .)

1 3 M R . BE R KE Y: B ut th an k s fo r t hi s

1 4 o p po rt u ni ty . My na me is J i m B er ke y . I ’ m

1 5 A s si st a nt B u si ne s s Ma n ag er of t h e In t er na t io na l

1 6 B r ot he r ho od of E l ec tr i ca l W or ke r s, L o ca l 4 41 , h er e

1 7 i n O ra n ge C o un ty . Th e re ’s ab ou t 1 80 0 o f u s

1 8 e l ec tr i ci an s h er e i n O ra ng e C ou n ty , m an y o f wh i ch

1 9 l i ve h e re i n H un t in gt o n Be a ch .

2 0 O u r co n ce rn s a re , f or th e r et oo l in g o f

2 1 t h is p l an t, ar e w it h A ES . We w o nd er ho w g oo d a

2 2 n e ig hb o r AE S i s g oi ng to b e , in li gh t o f t he - -

2 3 s o me o f t he th in g s th a t th e y ha v e ha d a cr o ss t h e

2 4 s t at e. Y ou ’ ve h e ar d - - he a rd t h os e b ef or e , th e

2 5 $ 1 .7 m i ll io n a ss e ss me n t to th e a ir m a na ge m en t - -


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1 b y t he ai r m an ag e me nt qu al i ty f o r th e p la n t up

2 n o rt h.

3 S o me o f u s l ea rn e d to d ay , d ur in g t he

4 t o ur , t ha t t he w o rk p e rf or m ed s o f ar do wn he re on

5 t h is p l an t h as b e en d o ne w i th ou t p er m it s. I

6 p e rs on a ll y j us t l ea rn e d th i s ev e ni ng th at , f ro m

7 o n e of th e p re vi o us s p ea ke r s, t h at i n f ac t t hi s - -

8 t h is o p er at i on h a s be e n go i ng o n s in c e Oc t ob er ,

9 w e ll b e fo re th is , q uo t e, t i me o f e me r ge nc y h er e i n

1 0 J a nu ar y a nd Fe br u ar y.

1 1 T h e ar e a st a nd ar d s fo r c on s tr uc t io n

1 2 e x pe ct s t he em pl o ye rs -- o r t he em pl o ye es , I

1 3 s h ou ld sa y, to b e f ro m t he ar ea . Th a t’ s o ne o f

1 4 t h e ar e a st a nd ar d s. A nd a r ea s t an da r ds a l so

1 5 e x pe ct th e e mp lo y ee s t o be qu al i fi ed cr af t

1 6 p e rs on n el . In s u rv ey i ng t h e -- th er e a re qu it e a

1 7 f e w em p lo ye e s al r ea dy on s i te d o in g t he w o rk h e re

1 8 o n t hi s p ro j ec t. I n s ur ve y in g t he v e hi cl e s th a t

1 9 a r e tr a ns po r ti ng th e w or ke r s th e re , w e ob s er ve d

2 0 o v er a do ze n o ut of s t at e v eh ic l es , n ot m e et in g a n

2 1 a r ea s t an da r d fo r c on s tr uc t io n.

2 2 A l so , n ot m e et in g s ta t e la w r eq u ir em e nt

2 3 t h at w h en a pe rs o n co m es t o w or k i n t he S t at e o f

2 4 C a li fo r ni a, th at th ey mu st im me d ia te l y re g is te r

2 5 t h ei r v eh ic l e wi t h th e s ta t e.


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1 A s f ar as f o r th e q ua l if ie d e mp l oy ee s ,

2 w e w ou l d ho p e th a t th o se e l ec tr i ci an s o n t ha t j ob

3 a r e, i n f ac t , qu a li fi e d. W e do n ’t k n ow t h at , w e

4 d o n’ t k no w w ho t h ey a r e. L oc al 44 1 h er e i n Or a ng e

5 C o un ty ha s h ad a n a pp r en ti c es hi p p ro g ra m s in ce

6 r i gh t a ft er Wo rl d W ar 2, t o t ra i n el e ct ri c ia ns .

7 O u r pr o gr am is a st at e a pp r ov ed ap pr e nt ic e sh ip

8 p r og ra m . W e r un it i n - - a lo ng wi th th e R an ch o

9 S a nt a - - Ra n ch o S an ti a go C o mm un i ty C o ll eg e , wi t h

1 0 t h at c e rt if i ca ti o n, i n o rd e r to be a b le t o h av e

1 1 q u al if i ed c ra ft s pe rs o ns i n t he el ec t ri ca l t ra d e

1 2 o u t th e re .

1 3 T h er e’ s a n a pp ar e nt - - I h a te t o s ay

1 4 t h at t h er e w as a co ns p ir ac y o r w ha t n ot , i n ou r

1 5 e n er gy cr is i s, b u t th e re - - t he r e ar e a c e rt ai n

1 6 a m ou nt of p e op le th at th in k t ha t t he r e ha v e be e n

1 7 m a ni pu l at io n s. I w ou l d ho p e th a t AE S i s p ar t o f

1 8 t h e so l ut io n a nd no t p ar t o f th e p ro b le m. B ut on e

1 9 o f t he th in g s th a t -- th at we h a ve r e ad i n t he

2 0 l a st m o nt h, wh en th e s to ck re po r ts c a me o u t, i s

2 1 t h at a l l of th es e e ne r gy s u pp li e rs a r e ha v in g 1 00 ,

2 2 1 5 0 pe r ce nt in cr e as es in p r of it s , at , I b e li ev e ,

2 3 t h e ex p en se of - - o f t he r a te pa y er s h er e i n th e

2 4 S t at e o f Ca l if or n ia .

2 5 A g ai n, ou r c on ce r n is wi th AE S h er e, an d


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1 t h ei r a bi li t y or wi ll i ng ne s s to be a go od

2 n e ig hb o r.

3 T h an k y ou .

4 ( A pp la u se .)


6 W e h av e R an d y K ok al , i s i t? S in ce he

7 h a s a y ou ng so n t o ge t h om e t o b ed w e ’l l t ak e h im ,

8 a n d th e n ma y be o n e mo r e, a n d ta k e ou r b re a k.

9 M R . KO K AL : Th an k y ou ve ry mu ch . I

1 0 a p pr ec i at e b um pi n g me up .

1 1 I wa nt to t a lk t o a - - t o y ou f o r a f ew

1 2 m o me nt s a bo u t ci v ic p r id e. W e’ v e go t 2 00 , 00 0

1 3 p e op le he re wh o l iv e i n Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h. A nd we

1 4 a r e be i ng a s ke d t o sa c ri fi c e th e q ua l it y o f ou r

1 5 a i r, o u r wa t er , a nd p e rh ap s o ur co as t al h e al th an d

1 6 o u r bu s in es s e nv i ro nm e nt i n o rd e r to pr ov i de

1 7 w i nd fa l l pr o fi ts fo r A ES .

1 8 T h e pl a nt i s b ig . It ’ s hu g e. I t’ s

1 9 u g ly . An d i f th a t’ s n ot b a d en o ug h, th e p ow er

2 0 p r od uc e d fo r - - b y it do es n ’t s t ay h e re , a nd

2 1 t h er e’ s n o g ua ra n te e t ha t t he p o we r p ro du c ed b y

2 2 U n it s 3 a nd 4 wh e n th e y go on li n e ar e g oi n g to

2 3 s t ay h e re , e it he r . B u t ye t w e a re b e in g a sk ed to

2 4 s a cr if i ce .

2 5 L a st y e ar , A ES g o t a t ax b r ea k o f $1 . 5


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1 m i ll io n , an d t he y g ot re co r d pr o fi ts th is ye ar .

2 T h e an s we r f or a l l th e se p r ob le m s is fo r A ES t o b e

3 a go od ne ig h bo r, th e k in d o f pe o pl e t ha t y ou w a nt

4 t o h av e l iv e n ex t d oo r , th e k in d o f p eo pl e y ou ’ d

5 w a nt i n y ou r h om e ow ne r a ss o ci at i on o r y ou r

6 n e ig hb o rh oo d . I re co m me nd th at we p u rs ue th e k in d

7 o f p ro g ra m t ha t’ s g oi n g to al lo w i n 2 0 ye a rs a n d

8 3 0 y ea r s cl e an a i r an d c le a n wa t er f o r ou r

9 f a mi li e s.

1 0 I ’ m he r e to n ig ht be ca u se I ’ m co n ce rn e d

1 1 a b ou t t hi s i ss ue . I’ m c on c er ne d w ha t i t’ s g oi n g

1 2 t o l oo k l ik e i n t he n e xt 2 0 y ea r s if th e p la nt

1 3 d o es n’ t g et d em o’ d a nd re to o le d. T he am az i ng

1 4 t h in g a bo ut a sl o we r t ra ck pr oc e ss , n ot t h is t h re e

1 5 w e ek p r oc es s t ha t w e’ v e be e n ta l ki ng ab ou t , is

1 6 t h at w e h av e t he ti me to i n ve st i ga te wh at th e

1 7 p r ob le m s ar e l ik e ly t o b e, we h a ve t h e ti m e to

1 8 f i gu re ou t j us t w ha t i t’ s g oi ng to c o st , a nd w e

1 9 c a n st i ll p r ov id e q ua l it y o f li f e an d e co n om ic

2 0 h e al th fo r H un ti n gt on Be ac h .

2 1 T h an k y ou v e ry m u ch . I re a ll y

2 2 a p pr ec i at e y ou r t im e.

2 3 ( A pp la u se .)


2 5 M r . Ge o rg e M as on . An d b eh i nd h i m, D e an


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1 A lb ri g ht , a nd t h en w e ’l l t ak e o ur b r ea k.

2 M R . MA S ON : Go od ev en i ng . My n a me i s

3 G e or ge Ma so n , an d I ’m on t h e Ex e cu ti v e Bo a rd o f

4 t h e So u th ea s t Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h N ei gh b or ho o d

5 A s so ci a ti on . We ha ve a me m be rs h ip a r ea o f a bo u t

6 1 7 00 h o me s w it hi n a q u ar te r t o o ne a n d a q ua rt e r

7 m i le s o f th e g en e ra ti n g st a ti on .

8 O u r me m be rs h ip h a s be e n li v in g w it h t he

9 g e ne ra t in g s ta ti o n fo r m an y y ea r s no w , an d w e d o

1 0 n o t ha v e a n ot i n m y b ac k y ar d m en ta l it y. T he

1 1 g e ne ra t in g s ta ti o n is al re a dy i n o ur ba ck ya rd s ,

1 2 b u t we do d e ma nd th at it b e a r e sp on s ib le

1 3 n e ig hb o r. W e re c og ni z e th e re i s a p o we r s ho rt a ge

1 4 i n C al i fo rn i a th a t mu s t be re so l ve d, bu t r es ol v in g

1 5 t h e po w er c r is is on t h e ba c ks o f t ho s e of us t h at

1 6 h a pp en to l i ve i n c lo s e pr o xi mi t y to ex is t in g

1 7 g e ne ra t in g s ta ti o ns t h ro ug h t he us e o f ac c el er a te d

1 8 e x pa ns i on w i th l e ss t h an n e ed ed ov er s ig ht is n o t

1 9 j u st if i ed a n d ca n no t b e al l ow ed by t h e CE C .

2 0 I ’ m co n ce rn e d ab o ut t h e so u rc e o f fu e l

2 1 c u rr en t ly b e in g u se d a nd e x pe ct e d to co nt i nu e

2 2 b e in g u se d f or t h e Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h G en er a ti ng

2 3 S t at io n . I wa s a p ar t ic ip a nt b y p ho n e in th e C EC

2 4 w o rk sh o p on th e s ub je c t pr o je ct on 1 5 F eb r ua ry . A

2 5 p a rt ic i pa nt in t h e wo r ks ho p m en t io ne d t ha t


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1 H u nt in g to n B ea ch us es na tu r al g a s fr o m th e

2 o f fs ho r e oi l p la t fo rm s n ea r H un t in gt o n Be a ch , i n

3 a d di ti o n to na tu r al g a s fr o m So u th er n C al i fo rn i a

4 G a s Co m pa ny . Th e p ip e li ne ap pa r en tl y c om e s as h or e

5 a t e it h er W a rn er or G o ld en We st St re e ts a n d

6 P a ci fi c C oa s t Hi g hw ay , a nd is r o ut ed al on g P ac i fi c

7 C o as t H ig hw a y di r ec tl y t o t he g e ne ra t in g s ta ti o n.

8 T h e pa r ti ci p an t i n th e w or k sh op st at e d

9 t h e na t ur al ga s i s of su ch hi gh su lf u r co n te nt

1 0 t h at S o ut he r n Ca l if or n ia G a s Co m pa ny wi ll no t

1 1 a c ce pt th e g as f o r di s tr ib u ti on in t h ei r p ip el i ne

1 2 s y st em .

1 3 T h e So u th C o as t A ir Q u al it y M an a ge me n t

1 4 D i st ri c t, a Mr . A ma yo , c on f ir ms th at Hu nt i ng to n

1 5 B e ac h i s in d ee d u si ng ga s f ro m o ff sh o re t h at i s

1 6 s u pp li e d by a co m pa ny by t h e na m e of EI RA En er g y.

1 7 A se ar c h of te le p ho ne an d I nt er n et r e so ur c es c o ul d

1 8 l o ca te no c o mp an y b y t ha t n am e.

1 9 A ES ’s Ap pl i ca ti o n fo r C er t if ic a ti on

2 0 s t at es in m a ny p l ac es in t h e do c um en t , Se c ti on s

2 1 1 . 33 , 3 .4 6, 3. 4. 6 , 3. 7 .1 a n d 4. 3 .3 , t ha t a ll

2 2 n a tu ra l g as is o b ta in e d fr o m So u th er n C al i fo rn i a

2 3 G a s Co m pa ny , a nd ma ke s n o m en ti o n of an y o th er

2 4 s o ur ce of f u el f o r th e p la n t. I t is ap pa r en t t ha t

2 5 t h e AF C m is s ta te s t he ac tu a l so u rc e o f fu e l fo r


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1 t h e Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h G en er a ti ng St at i on .

2 I re qu e st t h at t h e CE C d ir e ct S t af f t o

3 i n qu ir e i nt o t he ac tu a l so u rc e o f fu e ls u s ed a t

4 H u nt in g to n B ea ch Ge ne r at in g S ta t io n i n bo t h Un i ts

5 1 an d 2 a nd in t h e p ea ke r u ni t .

6 S o ut h C oa st Ai r Q ua li t y Ma n ag em e nt

7 D i st ri c t st a te s t ha t A ES t o ld t h em t h at o n ly

8 S o ut he r n Ca l if or n ia G a s Co m pa ny su pp l ie s n at ur a l

9 g a s us e d in th e p ea ke r u ni t , bu t t ha t g as us ed in

1 0 U n it s 1 a nd 2 is mi xe d f ro m b ot h s ou r ce s. T hi s

1 1 p ea ke r u ni t h as be en a ma t te r o f co n ce rn to o u r

1 2 n e ig hb o rh oo d . I t e mi t s de n se c l ou ds of y e ll ow

1 3 e x ha us t a nd ca n b e di s ti nc t ly h e ar d i n ne a rb y

1 4 n e ig hb o rh oo d s. T he e x pl an a ti on fr om AE S w it h

1 5 r e sp ec t t o t he y e ll ow cl ou d h as be en th at it ’s a

1 6 v i si bl e c on s eq ue n ce o f n it r ou s o xi de s e mi t te d

1 7 d u ri ng th e c om bu s ti on pr oc e ss . We n o w su s pe ct it

1 8 m a y be fr om th e u se o f h ig h s ul f ur f u el s c au si n g

1 9 e m is si o n of su lf u r -- of s u lf ur ox id e s.

2 0 A p pa re n tl y t he e x ha us t f ro m t he p ea ke r

2 1 u n it i s n ot re qu i re d t o be mo ni t or ed . Bu t f or th e

2 2 p u rp os e s of th is pr oj e ct a p pl ic a ti on , w e s tr on g ly

2 3 r e co mm e nd t h at e x ha us t g as e s be an al y ze d a s pa r t

2 4 o f t he co mb i ne d m ax im u m em i ss io n f ro m n ot on ly th e

2 5 f o ur b o il er s , bu t a ls o t o i nc lu d e th e p ea ke r u ni t ,


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1 s i nc e t he re ar e u nd ou b te dl y p er i od s d ur in g w hi c h

2 a l l fi v e un i ts w i ll b e o pe r at in g a t p ea k o ut pu t .

3 A co mb i ne d a ss es s me nt of a i r qu a li ty

4 i m pa ct s i s e xt re m el y i mp or t an t t o th e h ea l th a n d

5 s a fe ty of t h os e o f us li vi n g ne a r th e g en e ra ti n g

6 s t at io n . O p ac it y t es t in g b y So u th C o as t A ir

7 Q u al it y M an a ge me n t Di s tr ic t o n t he p ea ke r u ni t

8 e x ha us t i nd i ca te s a r e ad in g o f t we lv e a nd a ha l f

9 t o t we n ty -s e ve n a nd a ha lf pe rc e nt o p ac it y . T h es e

1 0 r e ad in g s ar e t ak e n pe r pe nd i cu la r t o t he p ea ke r

1 1 e x ha us t w hi c h em i ts f r om t w o se p ar at e s ta c ks . In

1 2 r e al it y , th e se o p ac it y r ea d in gs sh ou l d be ta ke n i n

1 3 l i ne w i th b o th s t ac ks , s in c e th e p ea ke r u ni t

1 4 e i th er ru ns al l e ig ht tu rb i ne s a t on e t im e o r i s

1 5 s h ut d o wn .

1 6 T h e tw o s ta c ks a r e no t f ro m s ep a ra te

1 7 u n it s, bu t r at he r a re si mp l y tw o e xh a us ts fr om on e

1 8 s o ur ce , n am e ly t h e on e p ea ke r u ni t . A s s uc h , th e

1 9 o p ac it y m us t b e r ea d c ol le c ti ve l y an d n ot

2 0 s e pa ra t el y. I f t hi s w er e d on e, th e e mi ss i on

2 1 o p ac it y f ro m t he p ea ke r u ni t w ou l d mo s t li k el y

2 2 e x ce ed th e 3 0 pe r ce nt li mi t a ll o we d b y So u th C o as t

2 3 A i r Qu a li ty Ma na g em en t D is t ri ct , a nd th e u ni t

2 4 w o ul d b e re q ui re d t o h av e e mi ss i on c o nt ro l s

2 5 i n st al l ed . Th is ne ed s t o b e ex a mi ne d , al o ng w i th


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1 t h e ot h er c o ll ec t iv e i mp or t s -- im pa c ts b e in g

2 a n al yz e d by CE C S ta ff .

3 A s a n a si de , t he So ut h C oa s t Ai r Q ua l it y

4 M a na ge m en t D is tr i ct i s c on d uc ti n g a w or ks h op a t

5 t h ei r o ff ic e s in Di am o nd B a r on 28 F e br ua r y, t h at

6 p r op os e s ch a ng es to t h e re g io na l c le a n ai r

7 i n ce nt i ve s m ar ke t . T h e go a l of th is wo rk s ho p

8 a p pa re n tl y i s to fi nd wa ys to e x em pt po we r

9 p r od uc i ng f a ci li t ie s f ro m a ir q u al it y s ta n da rd s

1 0 b e ca us e o f t he e n er gy cr is i s. I t wo u ld s e em

1 1 a p pr op r ia te th at CE C h av e a r ep r es en t at iv e a t t ha t

1 2 w o rk sh o p so th os e p ro p os ed ch an g es c a n be fa ct o re d

1 3 i n to t h e th o ug ht pr oc e ss es of t h e CE C r el a ti ve to

1 4 a p pr ov a l or di sa p pr ov a l of Hu nt i ng to n B ea c h

1 5 G e ne ra t in g S ta ti o n’ s A pp li c at io n f or Re to o li ng an d

1 6 i t s po t en ti a l ai r q ua l it y i mp ac t s on th e

1 7 s u rr ou n di ng co mm u ni ty .

1 8 T h an k y ou .


2 0 M a so n.

2 1 ( A pp la u se .)

2 2 M R . AL B RI GH T : G o od e v en in g ,

2 3 C o mm is s io ne r s. M y na m e is De an A lb ri g ht , a nd I ’ m

2 4 w i th t h e B ol sa C hi ca La nd Tr us t , as a me m be r.

2 5 I to ok th e t ou r t od ay , a nd on e o f th e


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1 t h in gs th at -- o n t he to ur th at I sa w , th e y

2 d i sc us s ed t h e p ea ke r p la n t. A nd w h en t h e

3 i n di vi d ua l h ad m e nt io n ed s o me th i ng a b ou t u si ng JP

4 - - o r u si ng a -- a sp e ci al oi l o r fu e l, I ’ d as k ed

5 h i m if it w a s JP 5 , an d h e s ai d i t wa s J P4 . My

6 e x pe ri e nc e w it h t he - - t he Na vy as a n e le c tr ic i an ,

7 I wo rk e d on bo ar d t he sh ip s w he r e no w m os t o f o ur

8 m o de rn wa rs h ip s h av e 7 47 g a s tu r bi ne en gi n es f o r

9 p r op ul s io n, th ey ha ve sm al l er g a s tu r bi ne en gi n es

1 0 f o r ge n er at i on o f e le c tr ic -- e l ec tr i ca l p ow er .

1 1 O n e of my - - m y j ob s w as b u il di n g th e

1 2 w a st e h ea t b oi le r s wh i ch w a s to ge ne r at e t he s t ea m

1 3 f o r th e h ea t in g o n th e s hi p , to ge ne r at e f re sh

1 4 w a te r, an d i n so m e ca s es g e ne ra t e el e ct ri c it y.

1 5 T h e Na v y us e s th e J P5 be ca u se i t ’s a cl ea n er

1 6 d i st il l at e f ue l. I w a s wo n de ri n g wh a t th e

1 7 d i ff er e nc e w as b e tw ee n J P5 an d J P4 . I as k ed t h e

1 8 i n di vi d ua l w ha t t he d i ff er e nc e w as , a nd h e d id n ’t

1 9 k n ow . An d i f I c an g e t so m e of th at in fo r ma ti o n.

2 0 B u t th e N av y u se s J P5 be ca u se i t i s a

2 1 c l ea ne r f ue l . I t c an ’ t af f or d t o ha v e an y th in g g o

2 2 o u t th e s ta c k, e s pe ci a ll y o ut a t s ea .

2 3 T h e ot h er t h in g i s th e - - t he P o se id o n

2 4 C o mp an y . I he ar d s om e th in g a bo u t th e P os e id on

2 5 C o mp an y . I s i t p os si b le t h at t h e Po s ei do n C om p an y


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1 i s g oi n g to be u s in g t he w a rm w a te r c om in g f ro m

2 t h e AE S p la n t? I f th a t’ s t he c a se , t he n i t’ d h el p

3 m i ti ga t e th a t wa r m wa t er g o in g i nt o t he o c ea n t o

4 i n fl ue n ce t h e se w er p l um e.

5 O n e of th e t hi ng s t ha t w as -- I ha d

6 a s ke d t od ay on t h e to u r wh a t th e t em p er at u re o f

7 t h at w a te r w as , a nd h e s ai d i t w as a b ou t 8 0

8 d e gr ee s . E i gh ty de gr e es i s n’ t r ea ll y t ha t w ar m ,

9 b u t co m pa re d t o t he o c ea n w at er it i s w ar m .

1 0 B e ca us e y ou ca n p ut a th er m om et e r in yo ur co ld

1 1 w a te r t ap a n d it wo ul d b e a ny wh e re b e tw ee n 7 5 a nd

1 2 8 0 d eg r ee s. S o I w as wo nd e ri ng if t h e Po s ei do n

1 3 p l an t a ls o w ou ld be h e lp in g t o m it ig a te a n y

1 4 c o nf li c t or an y i nf lu x w it h t ha t s ew a ge p l um e.

1 5 T h e ot h er t h in g I ’v e h ea rd is t h e --

1 6 f o rm in g a m i ti ga t io n a cc ou n t. A nd t h at i s t o

1 7 e s ta bl i sh a ta x t ha t’ l l go in to th e m it ig a ti on

1 8 a c co un t t o m it ig a te t h e ai r p ol l ut io n a nd wh at

1 9 n o t. O r, I ’ ve h e ar d t ha t p os si b ly m a yb e t he c i ty

2 0 w i ll g o b ac k f or th e A ES t a x bi l l, w h ic he v er w o ul d

2 1 b e b et t er . I do n ’t k n ow .

2 2 B u t th e o th e r th i ng i s t ha t w ou l d it be

2 3 f e as ib l e to ha ve el ec t ro ni c p re c ip it a to rs al so in

2 4 t h e st a ck s.

2 5 T h an k y ou .


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1 ( A pp la u se .)

2 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Wi t h yo u r

3 f o rb ea r an ce , w e’ l l ta k e a b ri ef te n m in ut e b re a k.

4 W h en w e c om e b ac k w e h av e R ob in Ta yl o r an d D ia n e

5 L en ni n g.

6 ( T he re u po n a r ec e ss w a s ta k en .)

7 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : We l l, t h e st a ck

8 k e ep s g ro wi n g, s o w e h av e M s. T a yl or an d t he n M s.

9 L en ni n g, a n d th e n Mr . B ar n es .

1 0 M S . TA Y LO R: H i. I ’m he re as a

1 1 c o nc er n ed c i ti ze n o f H un ti n gt on Be ac h . I ’ m al s o a

1 2 h o me ow n er i n t he So ut h S id e t ra c t, w h ic h i s --

1 3 C O MM IS S IO NE R P ER N EL L: E xc u se m e . C o ul d

1 4 y o u st a te y o ur n a me f o r th e r ec o rd , p le as e ?

1 5 M S . TA Y LO R: O h, I’ m s or ry . Ro b in

1 6 T a yl or . An d I ’m al so a re a lt or in H u nt in g to n

1 7 B e ac h.

1 8 I to ok a to u r of th e p la nt to da y a nd

1 9 s e ve ra l i ss u es c a me t o m in d . T h e fi r st o n e be i ng

2 0 h o w wi l l yo u e ve n f in d p ar t s to fi x t hi s o ld

2 1 e q ui pm e nt ? I me a n, i f i t’ s 4 5 y ea rs ol d, wh at ar e

2 2 t h e ch a nc es th at th e p ar ts ar e o ut t h er e t o ev e n

2 3 f i x th i s th i ng .

2 4 A n ot he r i ss u e th a t I t ho ug h t wa s k in d o f

2 5 i n te re s ti ng is w h y ar e t he em pl o ye es be in g


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1 r e cr ui t ed f r om o t he r a re as ? I t al ke d w it h t wo

2 o t he r e mp lo y ee s t ha t w er e b ro ug h t ou t h er e f ro m

3 t h e Fo u r Co r ne rs En er g y Pl a nt , a nd i t k in d o f

4 a p pe ar s t o m e th a t ma y be t h ey d o n’ t w an t l oc al

5 r e si de n ts t o k no w w ha t ’s g o in g o n in th at pl an t .

6 N u mb er Th re e , wh a t ha p pe ne d t o m ov in g

7 f o rw ar d w it h t ec h no lo g y in s te ad of b a ck wa r ds ?

8 A n d Nu m be r F ou r, th e e nv ir o nm en t al

9 i m pa ct . It se em s t o b e be i ng p u sh ed as id e t o

1 0 f i na nc e d er e gu la t io n s cr ew - up . Pl ea s e sl o w do w n,

1 1 r e co ns i de r t he 6 0 d ay s . I th in k i t’ s a j o ke t h at

1 2 - - t ha t w e t hi nk th at th is ca n b e do n e in 60 d a ys .

1 3 I f i t c an , t he n t ha t m ea ns a he l l of a lo t o f

1 4 o t he r t hi ng s a nd bu re a uc ra c y sh o ul d m ov e f as t, as

1 5 w e ll .

1 6 T h an k y ou f o r yo u r ti m e.

1 7 ( A pp la u se .)


1 9 M s . L en ni n g.

2 0 M S . LE N NI NG : Go o d ev e ni ng . I’ m D ia n e

2 1 L en ni n g. I a m a t hi r d ge n er at i on H u nt in g to n B ea ch

2 2 r e si de n t, f i ft h g en er a ti on Ca li f or ni a n, a n d I’ m a

2 3 h i gh s c ho ol te ac h er , t ea ch i ng s c ie nc e . I ’ d li k e

2 4 t o g iv e u s a d if f er en t p er s pe ct i ve t o ni gh t t ha n w e

2 5 h a ve h e ar d y et .


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1 I ga ve yo u a c op y o f a n ar t ic le th at wa s

2 j u st p u bl is h ed t h at I wr ot e i n t he L .A . T im es

3 C o mm un i ty F o ru m I nd ep e nd en t , wh i ch i s s om e o f w ha t

4 I ’ m sp e ak in g a bo u t to n ig ht . I c ou ld ad dr e ss a l l

5 t h e va r io us is su e s th a t ha v e be e n sp o ke n, bu t I ’d

6 l i ke t o h it so me of t h e ar e as t h at h a ve n o t be e n

7 a d dr es s ed . Pr ob a bl y s om e t ha t a re s o i mp o rt an t

8 t h at y o u wi l l be am az e d an d s ho c ke d a t so m e of th e

9 t h in gs I’ m g oi ng to s a y.

1 0 I ’ m go i ng t o a dd r es s t he e m is si o ns . I’ m

1 1 g o in g t o ta l k ab o ut t h e ai r p ol l ut io n , oc e an

1 2 p o ll ut i on , a nd s o me s o lu ti o ns t h at I ha ve co me up

1 3 w i th a s m y o wn h y po th e si s a s a s ci en t is t.

1 4 N i tr ou s o xi d e, a c et on e a nd fo rm a ld eh y de

1 5 a r e th r ee o f t he nu me r ou s t ox in s e mi t te d f ro m t he

1 6 s t ac ks . We kn ow sc ie n ti fi c al ly th at ni tr o us

1 7 o x id e, re fe r re d t o as N Ox t h is e v en in g , an d

1 8 a c et on e a re cl as s if ie d a s i nh al a nt s. T he y a re

1 9 d a ng er o us t o t he he al t h of pe op l e. B re at h ed i n

2 0 d i ff er e nt a m ou nt s , th e y ca n c au s e di f fe re n t an d

2 1 v a ry in g d eg r ee s o f nu m er ou s d is e as es . Th e y

2 2 d e fi ni t el y h av e a s ig n if ic a nt e f fe ct on t h e

2 3 n e rv ou s s ys t em . De pe n di ng on w h et he r y ou li ve in

2 4 H u nt in g to n B ea ch or i n i nl a nd c i ti es , y ou co ul d

2 5 g e t va r yi ng de gr e es . We n e ed t o r ea l iz e, to o,


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1 t h at t h is i s a c o un ty pr ob l em a n d no t j us t a c i ty

2 p r ob le m , be c au se of t h e ai r c ur r en ts th at ca us e

3 t h es e e mi ss i on s t o sp r ea d t o ou t ly in g c it i es .

4 S o me o f t he sy mp t om s I w ou l d li k e to

5 s h ar e w it h y ou t h at t h es e i nh al a nt s c au se yo u’ r e

6 f a mi li a r wi t h, i f y ou ’ re a dr in k er . On e i s

7 s i mi la r t o a lc oh o l in th at it c a us es re la x at io n ,

8 s l ur re d s pe e ch , e up ho r ia , h al lu c in at i on s,

9 d r ow si n es s, di zz i ne ss , n au s ea , v om it i ng , a nd

1 0 d e at h. L on g t er m c au s e -- ca n c au se me mo r y lo s s,

1 1 c o nc en t ra ti o n pr o bl em s , vi s ua l d is tu r ba nc e s,

1 2 b l in dn e ss , m ot or pr ob l em s, an d p er ip h er al ne rv e

1 3 d a ma ge . Pe r so na l ly , I d on ’ t wa n t to li ve in a n

1 4 a r ea a n d br e at he th at . I d on ’t kn ow ab ou t y ou .

1 5 P l us , t ha t’ s o nl y p ar t o f i t. I t ca n

1 6 a l so c a us e c ha ng e s in pe rs o na li t y, m e mo ry lo ss ,

1 7 a n d le a rn in g p ro b le ms . As a te a ch er , I h a ve

1 8 n o ti ce d w e h av e s ee n i nc re a se d l ev el s o f s tu de n ts

1 9 w i th l e ar ni n g pr o bl em s .

2 0 I ’ m al s o pa r ti ci p at in g i n a t en ye ar

2 1 s t ud y w it h U CL A w hi ch is s t ud yi n g th e h ig h

2 2 i n ci de n ce o f b re a st c a nc er am on g w om e n in Or an g e

2 3 C o un ty . We ha ve th e h ig he s t le v el o f b re a st

2 4 c a nc er in O r an ge Co un t y as co mp a re d t o an y o th e r

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1 A lz he i me rs . We ha ve in cr e as in g l ev e ls o f m an y

2 d i se as e s th a t ar e d ir e ct ly li nk e d to th e s ym pt o ms

3 c a us ed by i n ha la n ts o f t hi s t yp e .

4 W e h av e a s e ri ou s p ro b le m t ha t n ee ds to

5 b e a dd r es se d n ow . An d i f w e ar e g oi n g to be

6 r e sp on s ib le ci ti z en s a nd p e rs on s i n g ov er n me nt , w e

7 n e ed t o d o t ha t. A nd we w a nt y o u to kn ow th at we

8 a r e ve r y ha p py y o u ar e h er e t on i gh t t o he a r ou r

9 c o nc er n s, a n d th a t we wo ul d l ik e t o a nd b e v er y

1 0 h a pp y t o wo r k wi t h yo u i n s ol vi n g th e se p r ob le m s

1 1 i n t he fu tu r e.

1 2 P e rs on a ll y, I wo u ld l i ke t o s ee a lo n g

1 3 t e rm g o al o f w he r e we bu il d t he ne w p la nt s . B u t

1 4 w e a re go in g t o h av e t o ha v e so m e sh o rt t e rm g a p

1 5 m e as ur e s th a t we ’ re g o in g t o ha v e to do u n ti l w e

1 6 c a n re a ch t h at g o al . We n e ed t o h av e e ne r gy s o on ,

1 7 a n d we wa nt to d o o ur pa rt in h e lp in g t o

1 8 c o nt ri b ut e t o th a t ne e d, b u t no t a t t he e x pe ns e o f

1 9 o u r he a lt h a nd e n vi ro n me nt . So I’ m h op in g y ou

2 0 w i ll u n de rs t an d a nd r e me mb e r th a t, a n d re f er t o m y

2 1 a r ti cl e .

2 2 A l so , I w ou l d li k e to re fe r t o w ha t i s

2 3 c a ll ed ni tr o ge n f ix at i on , w hi ch I be l ie ve is a

2 4 m a in c u lp ri t i n c on tr i bu ti n g to th e o ce an

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1 w a te r p lu me co ul d n ec e ss ar i ly h a ve t h e ef f ec t t ha t

2 p e op le ar e s up po s in g. M y h yp ot h es is wo ul d f it

3 m o re i n t he id ea th at th e c ur re n ts f r om t h e

4 o ut fa l l pi p e ac t ua ll y b ri n g in th e s ew ag e . I wa s

5 a ch il d ho od su rf e r he r e, s w am o u t be y on d t he p i er ,

6 a l l of us d i d, a n d th e c ur r en ts ar e s tr on g . A n d

7 i f y ou ’ ve b e en o u t in th os e a s a p er s on y o u kn o w

8 t h ey ’l l b ri n g it in . We o f te n, wh en we g o t ti r ed ,

9 l e t th e c ur r en ts br in g u s i n.

1 0 S o t ha t i s m uc h m or e h ig hl y f ea s ib le

1 1 t h an t h is w a rm w a te r p lu me . Ho w ev er , I d o r ea l iz e

1 2 t h at t h e wa r m wa t er i s a d e fi ni t e co n tr ib u to r,

1 3 b e ca us e w e k no w t ha t w ar m w at er is a ne ed e d

1 4 e n vi ro n me nt fo r b ac te r ia t o p ro l if er a te q u ic kl y

1 5 a n d in la rg e n um b er s. S o i t is a fa c to r.

1 6 S o me o f m y i de as of s o lu ti o ns h a ve b e en

1 7 h i nt ed at , b ut n o t di r ec tl y s ta t ed o r p oi n te d a t.

1 8 W e n ee d t o c on si d er t h e di f fe re n ce b e tw ee n , fo r

1 9 e x am pl e , th e s cr u bb er s v er s us t h e bi o -f il t er s.

2 0 S o me s c ie nt i st s s ay t h at s c ru bb e rs o n ly g e t ri d o f

2 1 o d or s a nd t h at b i o- fi l te rs wi ll ge t r id o f a

2 2 h i gh er pe rc e nt ag e o f t he t o xi ns . Th a t is an e a sy

2 3 p o in t t o de t er mi n e. W e ca n d o s om e k in d o f a

2 4 c o ol an t s ys t em t h at a l lo ws th e w at er to b e

2 5 d i st ri b ut ed co ol , i ns t ea d o f ho t . Y o u’ re go in g t o


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1 r i gh t a wa y g et r i d of tw o c o- de p en de n t fa c to rs

2 t h at c a us e n it ro g en f i xa ti o n.

3 N i tr og e n fi x at io n ’s b y pr od u ct i s

4 a m mo ni a , an d i sn ’ t it in te r es ti n g th a t th e p la n t

5 n e ed s a mm on i a in or de r t o p ro ce s s wh a t th e y wa n t

6 t o d o i n th e f ut u re . Th es e a re fa ct o rs t h at a r e

7 f a ir ly ea sy sc ie n ti fi c al ly . Th i s wo u ld n o t ta k e a

8 l o ng i n te ns e s tu d y. T hi s i s ba s ic s c ie nt i fi c f ac t

9 a n d kn o wl ed g e th a t ha s b ee n a ro u nd f o r ye a rs . I’ m

1 0 a m az ed it h a s no t b ee n t ak e n ca r e of be fo r e. A nd

1 1 t h er e’ s n o r ea so n w e c an ’t do i t s oo n .

1 2 M y s ug g es ti o ns w i th w h at I ’ ve j u st

1 3 s t at ed , I w o ul d a ls o l ik e t o qu i ck ly in cl u de . I

1 4 t h in k a es th e ti ca l ly , t he re ’ s no re as o n th a t we

1 5 c a nn ot ha ve fa ca d es b u il t i ne xp e ns iv e ly t h at l o ok

1 6 n i ce , i nc lu d in g t he p a lm t r ee s. P al m t re e s an d

1 7 p l an ts ar e n ic e, bu t n ot g o in g t o be en ou g h. W e

1 8 n e ed t o c ov e r up an d h id e t he o p en ne s s of th e

1 9 a n ti qu a te d s ty le bu il d in g. A nd we h a ve p e rf ec t

2 0 e x am pl e s of wh at th ey ’ ve d o ne i n L on g B ea c h, w i th

2 1 t h e is l an ds , w hi c h th e y di d m an y y ea r s ag o .

2 2 S o me o f t he m a re mo re ex pe n si ve th an

2 3 o t he rs . We do n’ t h av e t o s pe nd a lo t o f m on ey if

2 4 w e c an in cl u de i n t he lo ng te rm go al th at we ’r e

2 5 g o in g t o bu i ld a ne w, hi gh e r te c h, e q ui va l en t w it h


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1 o u r te c hn ol o gi ca l a dv a nc es th at we h a ve t o da y.

2 T h at ’s wh at we w a nt . Th at ’ s ou r

3 u l ti ma t e go a l. T ha t’ s w ha t w e d es er v e. W e ar e i n

4 a ne w m il le n ni um . We ha ve th e e co no m y he r e th a t

5 i s a b a si c m ot iv a to r t o th i s co u nt y a nd t h is

6 s t at e, an d w e ca n b e a m od e l fo r y ou in w h ic h t o

7 s e e ho w t hi s w or k s. A nd w e ’d l i ke t o w or k w it h

8 y o u in th at fo rm a t, a n d we lo ok fo rw a rd t o i t.

9 G o od l u ck , a nd t h an k y ou .


1 1 ( A pp la u se .)

1 2 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Ok a y. W e ha v e

1 3 E d wa rd Ba rn e s, a n d be h in d h im , A rm id a B ra sh e ar s.

1 4 M R . BA R NE S: G oo d e ve n in g. T ha n k yo u

1 5 f o r th e o pp o rt un i ty t o s pe a k to yo u. T he En er g y

1 6 C o mm is s io n h as a ve ry la rg e t as k i n f ro nt of t h em .

1 7 M y n am e i s E dw ar d ( Ed d ie ) B ar ne s . I ’ m a

1 8 r e si de n t of Hu nt i ng to n B ea c h. I ’v e b ee n a

1 9 r e si de n t or at l e as t p ar t o f Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h f or

2 0 4 7 y ea r s. I w as se ve n y ea r s ol d w he n w e m ov ed to

2 1 G a rd en Gr ov e . S o me o f t he pe op l e he r e mi g ht k n ow

2 2 s o me o f t he na me s t ha t I m e nt io n . H er bi e

2 3 F l et ch e r, I su rf e d up an d d ow n t he c o as t. I c a n

2 4 r e me mb e r wh e n it wa s n ot hi n g bu t m ar s he s a nd

2 5 s w am ps in t h e sa m e ar e a wh e re t h ey b u il t t he p o we r


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1 h o us e.

2 I ’ m tr y in g t o gi v e yo u a l i tt le

3 b a ck gr o un d a nd l e ad in g u p t o I a ls o a m th e

4 B u si ne s s Ma n ag er of L o ca l U ni on 25 0, th e S te am

5 F i tt er s , Pi p e Fi t te rs , R ef r ig er a ti on Fi tt e rs ,

6 W e ld er s a nd Ap pr e nt ic e s lo c al u n io n, in L o s

7 A n ge le s a nd Ga rd e na , a nd a l l of Or an g e Co u nt y a nd

8 s o ut he r n Ca l if or n ia , w it h o th er lo ca l s in v ol ve d .

9 W h en w e s pe a k ab o ut t h e en e rg y c ri si s ,

1 0 I ’ d li k e to gi ve a li t tl e b ac kg r ou nd , s o p os si b ly

1 1 t h e au d ie nc e c an un de r st an d . I n 3 0 y ea rs of b e in g

1 2 i n t he cr af t t ha t I ’v e b ee n i n, I wa s f or t un at e

1 3 e n ou gh to b u il d t wo c og en e ra ti n g pl a nt s i n Ve r no n,

1 4 f o r Su n L aw Co rp o ra ti o n, f o r U. S . Gr o we rs an d

1 5 F e de ra l C ol d S to r ag e. A t t ha t t im e, wh ic h g ot us

1 6 i n to t h e cr i si s t ha t w e’ re ta lk i ng a b ou t, PG &T an d

1 7 S o ut he r n Ca l if or n ia E d is on wo rk e d on pu tt i ng a

1 8 m o ra to r iu m a ga in s t th e se c og en e ra ti n g pl a nt s. T he

1 9 b a si s b eh in d t ha t i s t he y c ou ld n ’t p a y fo r t he

2 0 h i gh e x pe ns e f or th e e le ct r ic al pr oc e ss . Th ey

2 1 d i dn ’t wa nt to p a y th e o ve r la p. S o w e pu t a

2 2 m o ra to r iu m f ro m a bo ut 19 88 on t h es e c og en e ra ti n g

2 3 p l an ts .

2 4 I kn ow th e a dm in i st ra t io n t od ay is n o t

2 5 a t f au l t fo r t he de re g ul at i on . I kn o w to d ay t h at


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1 t h ey ’r e d oi n g wh a t th e y ca n t o s it t h er e a nd

2 p r ov id e f or th e c om mu n it y.

3 I wa lk e d th r ou gh th e p la nt al so to da y ,

4 a n d lo o ki ng at i t , it ’ s a s ha mb l es . An d i f

5 t h ey ’r e n ot wo rk i ng o n i t, th en I do n ’t - - i n m y

6 3 0 y ea r s of wo rk i ng i n t he po we r h ou s e pl a nt

7 r e fi ne r ie s a nd i n du st r ia l i te ms is - - i s s ke we d .

8 T h ey ’r e d ef i ni te l y wo r ki ng on i t , an d t he y h av e

9 b e en f o r a w hi le .

1 0 I wa s i nv ol v ed i n t he pe rm i t pr o ce ss fo r

1 1 P a ci fi c P ip e li ne , w hi c h we n t ri g ht d o wn t h e

1 2 A l am ed a c or r id or , t hr o ug h t he c o mm un i ti es of

1 3 d o wn to w n Lo s A ng e le s. O ne of t h e co m mi tm e nt s t ha t

1 4 c a me f r om P a ci fi c P ip e li ne th ro u gh e v er y c it y,

1 5 t h ey h a d a r ev en u e th a t ca m e to th e c it ie s . O n

1 6 t o p of th at , t he y b ui l t co m pu te r c en t er s f or t h os e

1 7 t h at c o ul dn ’ t si t t he r e an d h av e t he ab il i ti es to

1 8 b e a bl e t o g et t o c om p ut er tr ai n in g a nd t h at t y pe

1 9 o f i te m s.

2 0 T h ey a l so h a d fu n di ng in t h os e a re as .

2 1 S u n La w C or p or at i on , w hi ch is b u il di n g a p ow er

2 2 h o us e a nd a s ki ng fo r p er mi t s in fr on t o f t hi s

2 3 C o mm is s io n i n So u th ga t e, h a s ma d e th e s am e

2 4 c o mm it m en ts in d i ff er e nt a v en ue s a s f ar a s h el p in g

2 5 t h e co m mu ni t y. T o my kn ow l ed ge , a nd ho pe f ul ly


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2 c o mm it m en t t o th e c om m un it y o th e r th a n th e y’ re

3 g o in g t o br i ng u s m or e p ow e r, p o ss ib l y, w i th ou t

4 a n y co m mi tm e nt t o t he -- f r om t h e po w er c o mp an y .

5 Y o u me t m y b us in e ss a g en t, Mi ke S ca vo .

6 W e l ov i ng ly ca ll hi m N o Ne c k. H e me n ti on e d th e

7 p e op le th at li ve in H u nt in g to n B ea ch . My me mb e rs

8 a r e 48 0 0 st r on g. I h a ve 2 , 00 0 o f th e m th a t li v e

9 i n O ra n ge C o un ty . To da te , w e h av e n o on e w or k in g

1 0 o n t ha t p la n t in th e s o- ca l le d t ak in g d ow n a nd

1 1 r e vi ew i ng o f t he pl an t t o s ee i f i t’ s g oi n g to be

1 2 v i ab le to s i t th e re a n d br i ng u s e le c tr ic i ty . We

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1 4 c o mm un i ty , e sp ec i al ly th is co mm u ni ty , b ec a us e a ls o

1 5 l i vi ng in t h is c o mm un i ty i s m y s on , m y

1 6 g r an dd a ug ht e r, m y g ra n ds on , t he r e ne e ds t o b e a

1 7 c o mm it m en t f ro m A ES i n a ll th es e r eg a rd s f or t h e

1 8 c o mm un i ty , t o wo r k th e p eo p le .

1 9 I f t he y d o g et t h e pe r mi t, an d t he

2 0 s h or te n ed p e rm it co me s a bo u t, t h at t h ey g e t th e

2 1 p e op le th at li ve in t h e co m mu ni t y to wo rk on t h ei r

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2 4 c a ll in g U ta h , th e y’ re ca ll i ng a n yw he r e th e y ca n

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1 00

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2 t h in gs th at th e C om mi s si on sh ou l d re v ie w, as t h ey

3 d i d wi t h Pa c if ic Pi pe l in e a nd t h e ot h er s, ma ki n g

4 c o mm it m en ts to t h e co m mu ni t y be f or e t he y b ui ld

5 a n yt hi n g.

6 E n vi ro n me nt a ll y, we s u pp or t a ll th e

7 e n vi ro n me nt a l is s ue s t o ma k e su r e it ’ s a p la nt

8 t h at ’s vi ab l e, t h at i n n o w ay w o ul d h ur t t he s e a,

9 t h e li f e, a n d th e p eo p le t h at l i ve a r ou nd it .

1 0 B e ca us e w e a re a l l fr o m th e c om m un it y , co m pl et e ly .

1 1 I sh or t en ed it b e ca us e a l o t of th e

1 2 i s su es ha ve be en ta lk e d up o n to th is Co mm i ss io n .

1 3 A n d yo u h av e a l o t th a t yo u h av e t o w ei gh . Bu t t o

1 4 s i t th e re a n d to ru sh to j u dg me n t to ge t u s po w er ,

1 5 w h en w e w ou l d no t b e a bl e t o ma k e a c om mi t me nt to

1 6 t h is c o mm un i ty f r om t h e po w er c o ns or t iu m, an d i f

1 7 w e r em e mb er ri gh t , wh e n So u th er n C al i fo rn i a

1 8 E d is on , P G& T g ot ou t o f th e b us i ne ss , t he i r

1 9 s t oc kh o ld er s m ad e m on e y. T he b r ok er s t od a y th a t

2 0 a r e se l li ng us e l ec tr i ci ty ag ai n a re ma ki n g mo n ey ,

2 1 a n d ra i se t h e co s t of el ec t ri ci t y.

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2 4 t h ey ’r e g oi n g to bu il d t he i r po w er h o us e h er e,

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1 01

1 i n vo lv e d in th e b ui ld i ng o f t he po we r h ou s e, a n d

2 t h e lo n g te r m. B ec au s e we in t h e un i on s t al k

3 a b ou t w e bu i ld t h em , a nd t h en w e m ov e o n t o

4 a n ot he r o ne . We ar e a l on g t er m r el a ti on s hi p. I t

5 i s n’ t j us t u ni on s , we ha ve ap pr e nt ic e sh ip

6 p r og ra m s. A l if e st yl e t ha t p eo p le c a n li v e an d

7 c o me b y . W e ’r e n ot j u st a ca r m ec ha n ic . We p u t

8 o v er $ 1 20 m i ll io n i nt o o ur ap pr e nt ic e sh ip . We

9 w o ul d l ik e t o se e A ES st ep up t o t he pl at e i n

1 0 t h os e a re as , o th e r th a n ju s t of f er in g e le c tr ic i ty .

1 1 W e t hi n k th a t’ s a c om m it me n t to th e c om mu n it y i n

1 2 e v er y a sp ec t .

1 3 N o rm al pr oc e du re s i s 1 2 mo n th s. W e

1 4 u n de rs t an d t he s i tu at i on t h at C a li fo r ni a a nd t h e

1 5 C o mm is s io n i s -- ha s a t ha n d as fa r a s br i ng in g

1 6 p o we r. W e w an t t o ma k e su r e -- on e t hi ng yo u

1 7 m i gh t n ot k n ow . Wi ll i am s i s a g as c o mp an y t ha t

1 8 s u pp li e s ga s . A l so p u t on yo ur ag en d a, m a ke s u re

1 9 t h at g a s su p pl y w il l s it t h er e a nd c o me t o t hi s - -

2 0 t o A ES , b ec a us e t ha t’ s t he tr ad e -o ff . Th e y su p pl y

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2 3 i n C al i fo rn i a.

2 4 I as k f or y o ur h e lp . I as k f or yo ur

2 5 h o ne st re vi e w to ma ke su re th at th e c om mi t me nt to


1 02

1 t h e co m mu ni t y is fu ll an d w ho le , a nd th at th is

2 c o mp an y s te p u p t o ma k e th e c om m it me n t to th e

3 p e op le to w o rk o n t ha t , an d a ls o s it th er e a nd

4 m a in ta i n it in m a in te n an ce , a lo n g wi t h co v er t h e

5 e n vi ro n me nt a l an d t he oc ea n , th e b re a th in g , so my

6 g r an dk i ds w i ll h a ve a ni ce pl ac e t o l iv e, su ch as

7 I di d 4 7 ye a rs a g o, h a ve e n jo ye d f or th e l as t 4 7

8 y e ar s.

9 T h an k y ou .

1 0 ( A pp la u se .)


1 2 A rm id a B ra sh e ar s, an d R ic ha r d L oy ,

1 3 b e hi nd he r.

1 4 M S . BR A SH EA R S: I ’m A rm id a B ra sh e ar s.

1 5 I ’ ve l i ve d h er e i n Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h f or 4 5 y ea r s.

1 6 I mo ve d i nt o a n a ll e l ec tr i c ho m e 45 ye ar s a go

1 7 b e ca us e i t w as s u pp os e d to be t h e wa v e of th e

1 8 f u tu re , a nd no w w e se e t he wa ve ha s o ve rt a ke n u s.

1 9 I wo ul d - - I w ou l d no t b e o ne t o

2 0 a d vo ca t e th a t th e A ES pl an t n ot ge ne r at e e ne rg y .

2 1 I kn ow we a l l ne e d en e rg y. I h a ve a co mp u te r, I’ m

2 2 s u re m o st o f u s h er e h av e o ne , a nd w e l ik e t o h av e

2 3 a li gh t o n s o we do n’ t s tu m bl e i n th e d ar k . B u t I

2 4 d o b el i ev e t ha t, li ke ot he r s he r e, w e d o n ee d t o

2 5 p a y at t en ti o n to th is pr oj e ct t o b e s ur e t ha t


1 03

1 a b id e b y th e c ur r en t a cc ep t ab le ru le s f or po we r

2 g e ne ra t io n.

3 W e w ou l d -- we w o nd er wh y i t is n ’t b e in g

4 e n fo rc e d fo r t he m t o h av e t he n e w lo w p ro f il e

5 g e ne ra t in g e qu ip m en t. A nd th ey ap pa r en tl y h av e

6 w a it ed fo r t he o p po rt u ne t i me t o p us h s om e th in g

7 t h ro ug h t ha t w il l n ot re qu i re t h em t o d o t ha t.

8 I ag re e t ha t t he r e ha s b ee n - - t he re ’ s a

9 l o t of ev id e nc e o f co l lu si o n, b e ca us e t he po we r

1 0 g e ne ra t or s a re b e in g s ue d b y a c la ss ac ti o n su i t

1 1 t h at s a ys t h at t h ey h a ve - - t he y h av e m an i pu la t ed

1 2 t h e so u rc es of g a s su p pl ie s s o t ha t t he y c an h a ve

1 3 a ma ni p ul at e d sh o rt ag e o f g as s u pp li e s so th at

1 4 t h ey c a n ch a rg e m or e.

1 5 I ag re e w it h t he pe rs o n wh o s ai d t ha t w e

1 6 - - t hi s c an ’ t po s si bl y h av e p ro p er r e vi ew in 6 0

1 7 d a ys , a nd w e n ee d a l o ng er pe ri o d of ti me to

1 8 a d dr es s t he he al t h an d s af e ty i s su es . An d I a g re e

1 9 w i th t h e sp e ak er wh o s ai d t ha t t hi s - - th a t th e y

2 0 s h ou ld be i s su ed on ly a pr o vi si o na l a pp ro v al ,

2 1 d e pe nd e nt o n t he m m ee t in g a ll t h e pr o pe r

2 2 r e qu ir e me nt s , an d t ha t t he i r fi n al a p pr ov a l sh o ul d

2 3 d e pe nd on t h em m e et in g a ll th os e t hi n gs .

2 4 S o p le a se t a ke t h is i n to c o ns id e ra ti o n.

2 5 T h e pe o pl e a re d e pe nd i ng o n y ou . Yo u ’r e o ur


1 04

1 g u ar di a ns .

2 T h an k y ou .


4 C O MM IS S IO NE R P ER N EL L: T ha n k yo u .

5 ( A pp la u se .)

6 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Mr . R ic h ar d L oy .

7 B e hi nd hi m, Mr . I rw in H ay do c k.

8 M R . LO Y : G o od e v en in g . M y n am e i s

9 R i ch ar d L oy . I’ ve li ve d i n t he v i ci ni t y of th e

1 0 p o we r p la nt si nc e 1 97 4 .

1 1 W h at I wa nt e d to ad dr e ss t h is e v en in g i s

1 2 t h er e’ s f ou r s ch o ol s w it hi n p ro b ab ly a ha l f a m il e

1 3 t o a m i le o f t he po we r p la n t. N ow , t he e m is si o ns ,

1 4 i f y ou al lo w t hi s t o g o fo r wa rd , t he em is s io ns

1 5 t h at a r e go i ng t o c om e o ut of t h at p o we r p la nt , I

1 6 b e li ev e a re go in g t o h av e a s ev e re i m pa ct on t h e

1 7 h e al th an d s af et y a nd th e w el fa r e of th e c hi ld r en

1 8 o f t he s e di f fe re n t sc h oo ls .

1 9 I ha ve a fe e li ng th at th e t ra ck re co r d

2 0 o f A ES ha s n ot r e al ly be en as a fr ie n d to th e

2 1 c o mm un i ty . I do n ’t k n ow i f y ou ’ re a w ar e o f th i s,

2 2 b u t th e y we n t in th e l as t e le ct i on a n d ba s ic al l y

2 3 s p en t t ho us a nd s o f do l la rs so t h at t h ey w o ul d n ot

2 4 h a ve t o p ay ut il i ty t a x, a ta x w hi ch ev er y

2 5 b u si ne s s an d e ve r y ho m eo wn e r in th is ci ty ha s t o


1 05

1 p a y. B ut f o r so m e re a so n, th ey di dn ’ t fe e l th a t

2 t h ey w a nt ed to d o t ha t .

3 A l so , t he y h av e a s ub s id ia r y ca l le d C el l

4 T u rn E n er gy . It ’ s re g is te r ed o u ts id e o f t he

5 U n it ed St at e s, s o t he fa ct th at th ey do n’ t h av e t o

6 p a y an y U .S . t ax e s. N ot o n ly t h at , b ut t h ey ’v e

7 a l so i n t he pa st , w he n t he PU C r eq ue s te d d oc um e nt s

8 f r om t h em , t he y’ v e st o ne wa l le d t he m. S o i t se e ms

9 l i ke e v er yt h in g t ha t t hi s c or po r at io n h as

1 0 a t te mp t ed t o d o h as n o t re a ll y b ee n i n th e b es t

1 1 i n te re s t of -- o f o ur co mm u ni ty , o r e ve n o ur - -

1 2 o u r st a te o r o ur co un t ry . An d I ’m v e ry

1 3 d i sa pp o in te d .

1 4 T h e ot h er - - t he ot he r i ss u e th a t I’ d

1 5 l i ke t o b ri e fl y m en ti o n is I wa s p ar t o f t he

1 6 t e le co n fe re n ce l a st w e ek , a nd t h e th i ng t h at I

1 7 k e pt h e ar in g i s t ha t t he g o ve rn o r is pr es s ur in g

1 8 y o u, a s a C o mm it t ee , t o ge t t hi s t hi n g fa s t

1 9 t r ac ke d . A p pa re n tl y, th os e a re th e m ar ch i ng

2 0 o r de rs . We l l, a s a ny b od y t ha t’ s b ee n i n t he

2 1 s e rv ic e k no w s, t h os e m ar ch i ng o r de rs ca n b e

2 2 r e sc in d ed . An d p le as e d on ’ t al l ow y o ur se l ve s t o

2 3 b e p re s su re d i nt o m ak i ng a de ci s io n s im pl y b ec a us e

2 4 t h os e a re t h e or d er s t ha t m ay o r m ay no t e ve n b e

2 5 l e ga l b y fe d er al st at u te .


1 06

1 S o I ’m as ki n g yo u i nd i vi du a ll y t o -- to

2 s t ep o u t an d n ot al lo w y ou r se lf to b e p re s su re d

3 i n to a de ci s io n t ha t’ s - - t ha t’ s n ot go od fo r t he

4 - - f or th e - - fo r o ur co mm u ni ty .

5 T h at ’s pr ob a bl y a bo ut al l I h av e t o s ay

6 a t t hi s t im e . I t s ee m s li k e mo s t of th e o th er

7 i s su es ar e a lr ea d y co v er ed , a nd I ho p e yo u e nj o y

8 y o ur s t ay i n H un t in gt o n Be a ch . It ’s a wo n de rf u l

9 c i ty , a nd t h er e’ s a l o t of go od re st a ur an t s an d

1 0 t h er e’ s - - i t’ s j us t a w on d er fu l , wo n de rf u l pl a ce

1 1 t o l iv e .

1 2 T h an k y ou .


1 4 ( A pp la u se .)

1 5 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : An d D av i d

1 6 S te dm a n be h in d M r. H ay do c k.

1 7 D R . HA Y DO CK : My na me is I r wi n H ay do c k.

1 8 I ’ m a r es id e nt o f F ou n ta in Va ll e y. I ’m o n ly a

1 9 f o ur th ge ne r at io n C al i fo rn i an , b ut I ’ ve c r ea te d

2 0 t h re e o f th e f if t h an d e ig h t of th e s ix th .

2 1 ( L au gh t er .)

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2 4 w i ll b e o ka y . A n d I’ m a ls o w or r ie d a bo ut th e

2 5 o t he r h al f o f th e s an d wi ch , w hi c h is my 8 7 y ea r


1 07

1 o l d mo t he r a nd 9 1 y ea r o ld fa th e r wh o l iv e i n t he

2 B a y Ar e a, a n d wh o h av e g on e w it h ou t p ow er on m o re

3 t h an o n e oc c as io n .

4 W e h av e n’ t l os t p ow er he re , a nd so i t - -

5 i t ’s r e al ly ha rd to s e e ho w m uc h o f a c ri s is t h er e

6 i s . W e g ot th ro u gh C h ri st m as w i th ou t t ur n in g t he

7 l i gh ts ou t, an d n ow w e ’r e g et ti n g on to s u mm er

8 t i me . Bu t I t hi n k th a t we ne ed to b e c ar e fu l

9 a b ou t o ur r e so ur c es , a nd t h e be s t th i ng I co ul d

1 0 o f fe r t o yo u w ou l d be th at we s h ou ld co ns e rv e a

1 1 w h ol e l ot m o re t h an w e d o. W e’ r e go i ng t o h av e t o

1 2 l e ar n t o li v e wi t h le s s.

1 3 M y b ac k gr ou n d is as a n e co l og is t i n t he

1 4 m o st g e ne ra l s en s e of th e w or d. I ’m a tr a in ed

1 5 m a ri ne bi ol o gi st , a nd I ha v e sp e nt t h e pa s t 30

1 6 y e ar s d ea li n g wi t h wa t er a n d wa s te wa t er d i sp os a l,

1 7 p r im ar i ly i n t he oc ea n , an d t he im pa c ts o f m an in

1 8 s o ut he r n Ca l if or n ia , a nd h a ve w o rk ed fo r b ot h L os

1 9 A n ge le s C ou n ty a n d fo r O ra n ge C o un ty . I a ls o h av e

2 0 s o me c r ed en t ia ls in H u nt in g to n B ea ch . I w as t h e

2 1 C h ai rp e rs on of t h e En v ir on m en ta l B oa r d fo r a lm o st

2 2 a de ca d e in th e l at e s ev en t ie s a nd e a rl y e ig ht i es .

2 3 S o I d o u nd e rs ta n d th e p ro b le ms he re in H u nt in g to n

2 4 B e ac h.

2 5 I pr ob a bl y w il l m ak e e ve ry b od y e qu al l y


1 08

1 m a d, a n d if I ac h ie ve th at th ey ’ ll b e e qu a ll y

2 h a pp y, so I ’ ll b e h ap p y, w h en I sp ea k , be c au se I

3 t h in k w e ne e d el e ct ri c it y a ss ur a nc e, an d I ’m

4 a f ra id th at ba se d o n t od ay ’ s Ti m es , i t sa i d

5 t h er e’ s n ot en ou g h ga s i n t he p i pe li n e to po we r

6 t h is p l an t. S o I ’m n o t su r e ho w t he y ’r e g oi ng to

7 g e t po w er f o r it . Bu t i n a ny e v en t, I do be li e ve

8 i n ha v in g e le ct r ic it y s o t ha t m y pa r en ts ca n s ta y

9 w a rm a n d ke e p th e ir l i gh ts on , t oo .

1 0 T h e sh o re li n e po l lu ti o n I t hi nk is o n e

1 1 o f t he bi g i ss ue s t ha t I a m m os t f am i li ar wi th ,

1 2 a n d th a t’ s b ec au s e I w as t h e ma n ag er fo r t he

1 3 s a ni ta t io n d is tr i ct ’s oc ea n m on i to ri n g an d

1 4 r e se ar c h pr o gr am fo r a lm os t t en ye ar s . A n d I

1 5 t h in k I u nd e rs ta n d th e p lu m e an d w ha t i t d oe s, an d

1 6 h o w it im pa c ts t h e sh o re li n e. A nd I gu es s I - - I

1 7 f o un d i t ha r d to be li e ve t h at s u ck in g f ro m a

1 8 s i ng le st ra w o r a 4 00 mi ll i on g a ll on a da y

1 9 d i sc ha r ge c o ul d - - co u ld s u ck i n e no u gh w a te r t o

2 0 c a us e a p ro b le m.

2 1 B u t ev e n if it d o es , I d on ’ t th i nk w e

2 2 r e al ly ca n l ay t h at a t t he fe et of t h e po w er p l an t

2 3 p e op le . If th ey do ub l e th e ir - - t he i r di s ch ar g e,

2 4 m a yb e t he y’ l l in c re as e t ha t p ro b le m. B ut th e

2 5 p r ob le m i s r ea ll y c on t ro l o f th e s ou r ce , w he th e r


1 09

1 i t b e t he s a ni ta t io n d is tr i ct ’s pi pe l in e o r

2 w h et he r i t b e ru n of f f ro m - - fr o m in l an d, or b o th ,

3 w h ic h i t pr o ba bl y i s. S o I t hi n k if we c a n lo o k

4 t o t he sa ni t at io n d is t ri ct s f or th e l ea de r sh ip in

5 t a ki ng ca re of t h e ba c te ri a p ro b le m, on e o f th e

6 b i g is s ue s h er e i n Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h g oe s a wa y.

7 A n d it wa s a v er y b ig is su e i n 1 99 9.

8 I re al l y ha v en ’t se en an y a de qu a te

9 a n al ys i s of th at pa rt i cu la r p ro b le m, ho w t hi s

1 0 p i pe li n e ca n c au s e th i s ki n d of u pr ol l a nd ca n

1 1 s u ck i n w at e r fr o m of f sh or e . B u t th e o th e r pa r t

1 2 o f t he eq ua t io n i s th a t no w t ha t p eo p le k n ow t h at

1 3 t h ei r b ea ch e s ca n b e c on ta m in at e d an d c lo s ed ,

1 4 t h ey ’r e n ot go in g t o s ta nd fo r t ha t. S o t he re ’ ll

1 5 b e p le n ty o f h ea t t o a pp ly to t h at p r ob le m .

1 6 I th in k t ha t i n t er ms of m i ti ga t io n, yo u

1 7 k n ow , I d ri v e a ’ 71 V o lk sw a ge n v an , a nd a ’6 7

1 8 C am ar o . T h ey b o th n e ed s m og e v er y y ea r, an d t he y

1 9 s t il l d o pr e tt y w el l. S o I w ou l d im a gi ne th at as

2 0 l o ng a s t he -- a s t he po we r c om p an y c an m e et a l l

2 1 o f y ou r r eq u ir em e nt s, ca n p ut n e w eq u ip me n t on

2 2 t h er e t ha t w il l d ec re a se t h e po l lu ti o n by ab ou t 9 0

2 3 p e rc en t I t h in k I ’v e r ea d i n th e p ap e rs , a nd d o

2 4 a l l th e se o t he r t hi ng s , an d s ti l l br i ng a l mo st

2 5 h a lf a mi ll i on , o r 50 0 m eg a wa tt s o nl i ne , w hy ,


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1 t h at ’s a pr e tt y g oo d d ea l. A nd I th i nk t h ey c a n

2 d o i t i n -- in t h re e m on th s , or so me w ha t l on ge r .

3 Y o u kn o w, i f I h u rr y, I ca n g et ho me an d

4 w a tc h " Th e W es t W in g" . Th e y ma k e th e n at i on ’s

5 m o st c r it ic a l de c is io n s in an h o ur , m ay be tw o a t

6 t h e mo s t.

7 ( L au gh t er .)

8 D R . HA Y DO CK : I t hi nk th ey ca n d o th i s.

9 I wo ul d n’ t w an t t he m t o vi o la te an y - - an y o f t he

1 0 r e qu ir e me nt s t ha t y ou pu t o n th e m. B ut i f t he y d o

1 1 v i ol at e s om e th in g , I w ou ld sa y t ak e t ha t m on ey an d

1 2 a p pl y i t to pu rc h as in g t he we tl a nd s n ex t d oo r, an d

1 3 b u il di n g a qu ac u lt ur e f ac i li ti e s an d d oi n g a l ot o f

1 4 o t he r n ic e t hi ng s t ha t m ay be b u il di n g -- cl ea n in g

1 5 u p t he A sc on du mp s it e, wh ic h h as be en a nu i sa nc e

1 6 f o r de c ad es , a nd ma yb e e ve n h av i ng e n ou gh mo ne y

1 7 f o r a b al lp a rk f o r th e f ol k s wh o se k i ds p l ay i n

1 8 t h os e b ac k y ar ds do wn th er e .

1 9 I ’ ve s e en t h e pe a ki ng fa ci l it ie s a nd th e

2 0 y e ll ow cl ou d t ha t g oe s i nt o t he ai r w he n t he y t ur n

2 1 t h os e o n. T ha t’ s n ot fr eq u en tl y , an d t ha t ’s o n ly

2 2 i n a n e me rg e nc y, bu t t he re ar e p ro ba b ly w a ys t o

2 3 m i ti ga t e ev e n th a t. I d on ’ t kn o w wh e th er it ’s

2 4 h i gh s u lf ur or w h et he r i t j us t i s op a ci ty th at

2 5 c a us es th at , b ut it l o ok s t er ri b le w h en t h at


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1 h a pp en s . A n d ev e ry o n ce i n a w h il e t he p o we r

2 p l an t i ts el f w il l b el c h a b ig b l ac k c lo ud , w hi c h I

3 h a ve s e en o v er t h e pa s t tw o d ec a de s.

4 N o ne th e le ss , I t h in k t ak in g c ar e o f

5 t h os e t hi ng s , pr o mi si n g to ta ke ca re of t h em a n d

6 a c tu al l y ta k in g c ar e o f th e m, w e w ou l d be ok ay .

7 I gu es s , to th ro w a n e ve n l on ge r b al l , I

8 w o ul d s ay - - I w o ul d s ug ge s t th a t ma y be r a th er

9 t h an s u ck in g i n t ru ck l oa ds of f i sh , t he A E S po w er

1 0 p l an t w or k w it h t he c o un ty sa ni t at io n d is t ri ct to

1 1 p r ov id e a t y pe o f f ac i li ty th at co ul d s te r il iz e

1 2 t h ei r w as te w at er an d t he c o ol in g s ys t em w i th

1 3 m u lt ip l e pa s se s o ve r t he c o nd en s er s o t he y g et it

1 4 u p b ey o nd t h e 80 de gr e e wa r m wa t er . La ck i ng t h at ,

1 5 t h er e w as a n e xp e ri me n ta l d es al i ni za t io n f ac il i ty

1 6 t h at w a s pu t i n b y So u th er n C al Ed is o n a f ew y e ar s

1 7 b a ck . Ma yb e t ha t w ou l d be a wa y t o - - to he lp ou t

1 8 w i th o u r ne x t wo r st p r ob le m , wh i ch i s g oi n g to be

1 9 w a te r i n so u th er n C al i fo rn i a.

2 0 A s I s a id b e fo re , I b e li ev e w e s ho ul d b e

2 1 s e ri ou s a bo u t co n se rv a ti on , w he t he r i t be po we r ,

2 2 w a te r, or l a nd , a nd e s pe ci a ll y d ur in g t hi s l oo m in g

2 3 c r is is I wo u ld s a y yo u a in ’ t se e n no t hi ng ye t, in

2 4 t e rm s o f pr o bl em s .

2 5 T h is i s a p l an t t ha t c ou ld he lp wi th


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1 t h is c o mi ng su mm e r’ s s ho rt a ge s. I t h in k w e ne e d

2 t o d o i t, o r a t l ea st we n e ed t o s tr o ng ly co ns i de r

3 d o in g i t. B ut w e n ee d t o m ak e s ur e t ha t w e ar e

4 c a re fu l i n m ee ti n g al l t he pr om i se s m ad e t o ma k e

5 i t c le a ne r, ma ke it m o re f r ie nd l y, a n d ma k e it

6 m o re e n vi ro n me nt a ll y s en si t iv e. T he pl an t i s h ug e

7 a n d ug l y. I t is n ’t g o in g t o ge t a ny bi gg e r fr o m

8 t h is , a nd m a yb e t he y c ou ld ge t w ha li n g to pa in t

9 t h em a wh al e o r b ui ld a fa l se c o nd om i ni um ,

1 0 s h or el i ne c o nd om i ni um to c l ea n i t up . Bu t a s I

1 1 u n de rs t an d i t, p e op le th at li ve th er e h av e - - h av e

1 2 h a d to fa ce th is pl an t a nd th ey ’ re d o in g t he ir

1 3 p a rt b y a ll o wi ng us t o g en e ra te po we r t ha t w e a ll

1 4 n e ed a n d us e .

1 5 T h an k y ou .

1 6 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u ve r y

1 7 m u ch .


1 9 ( A pp la u se .)

2 0 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Da v id S te dm a n.

2 1 O k ay . Ji m L an e.

2 2 B i ll C u rt is .

2 3 O k ay . Fr ed G al lu c ci o. K ee p in g s om e

2 4 o t he r k id s u p la t e.

2 5 D R . GA L LU CC I O: A ct ua l ly , m y wi f e’ s t he


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1 n e xt o n e. I ’m g o in g t o le t h er go f i rs t.

2 M S . GA L LU CC I O: M y na m e is Mo ni c a

3 G al lu c ci o, an d I ’m a re si d en t i n Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h

4 s i nc e e ig ht ye ar s . A n d we ow n a h ou s e. A ct ua l ly ,

5 w e c an wa lk in a b ou t 1 5 mi n ut es to t h e oc e an .

6 O u r so l ut io n t o t he e n er gy cr is i s, o u r

7 p e rs on a l on e w as th at we h a d pl a nn ed si nc e a l o ng

8 t i me t o p ut p ho to v ol ta i c pa n el s o n ou r h ou s e, s o

9 t h at w e c an pr od u ce o u r ow n e ne r gy a n d ac t ua ll y

1 0 c o nn ec t i t w it h t he g r id , a nd i f w e p ro du c e mo r e,

1 1 l i ke i n t he su mm e rt im e , be c au se we d o n’ t n ee d a ir

1 2 c o nd it i on in g , so we c a n gi v e th a t po w er b a ck t o

1 3 t h e gr i d. A nd w e a lw a ys w a it ed un ti l w e h av e a

1 4 n e w ro o f, a ne w r oo f, a ne w r oo f , be c au se we h a ve

1 5 s h in gl e s an d y ou sh ou l dn ’t pu t i t on sh in g le s.

1 6 S o n ow we d e ci de d t o d o it an yw a y. W e

1 7 p u t in i n ou r s hi n gl es in t h e ga r ag e, an d i f it

1 8 d r ip s, ok ay , i t d ri ps in t h e ga r ag e. A nd I -- if

1 9 s o me bo d y wa n ts , a nd I wo ul d w is h t ha t r ea l ly m o re

2 0 h o me ow n er c a n do th at . It am or t iz es wi th th e - -

2 1 w i th t h e pr i ce s r ig ht no w. I n t en y e ar s, yo u h av e

2 2 p a id f o r th e i nv e st me n t. I f th e e le c tr ic i ty b i ll s

2 3 g o u p m uc h m or e, I’ m s ur e y ou h a ve - - y ou r

2 4 i n ve st m en t c om es ba ck fa st e r. B ut w e m ai n ly d i d

2 5 i t f or en vi r on me n ta l r ea so n s. A nd s o t ha t ’s o n e


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1 s o lu ti o n I t hi nk pe op l e ca n d o.

2 A n d an o th er so lu t io n, th e g en tl e ma n w ho

3 w a s wo r ri ed ab ou t h is 90 y e ar o l d pa r en ts , i f t he y

4 c a n af f or d t o do it n o w, y o u ac t ua ll y c an ha ve a

5 b a tt er y b ac k up . So i f t he r e is an o u ta ge , y ou ’ re

6 n o t -- by t h e ou t ag e, yo u h av e y ou r b at te r y

7 b a ck up . We de ci d ed w e w an t ed t o g iv e i t, al so

8 b e ca us e o f t he e n er gy cr is i s, b a ck t o t he gr id ,

9 a n d no t k ee p o ur ho me on ly sa fe an d k in d o f be

1 0 h a pp y. W e w an te d t o g iv e t ha t b ac k t o th e o th e r

1 1 p e op le . Th a t’ s o ne .

1 2 T h e se c on d, it w a s ta l ke d a l ot ab ou t

1 3 t h at w a st e o f en e rg y t o he a t up th is wa te r , an d I

1 4 k n ow f r om p o we r p la nt s i n A us tr i a, w h er e I a m

1 5 f r om , a nd a l so f r om h e re , t ha t i f th e re i s l ik e a n

1 6 o v er - - a nd ma yb e I ’m ju st si ll y , bu t m ay b e th e re

1 7 i s a s t ar t f or s o me p e op le wh o k no w s ci en c e an d

1 8 w h at ev e r, t e ch no l og y b et te r , th a t th a t he a t ca n b e

1 9 u s ed b u t on l y fo r l oc a l. I t’ s n ot h e at y o u ca n

2 0 s e ll t o T ex a s fo r l ot s o f d ol la r s, o r C al i fo rn i a.

2 1 T h at ’s he at th at yo u c ou ld us e t o ac t ua ll y , ye a h,

2 2 g i ve - - g iv e e le c tr ic i ty t o t he ho us e s ar o un d.

2 3 A n d I t hi nk th er e s ho u ld b e s om e t ho u gh t a bo ut

2 4 t h at . An d i f -- if t h at c a n be us ed .

2 5 T h en t h e th r ee - - I t h ou gh t i t w as


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1 5 0 0, 00 0 g al l on s o f wa t er a da y. T od a y I h ea rd

2 i t ’s 3 0 0 mi l li on s o f g al lo n s ev e ry d a y th a t ar e

3 g o in g h ea te d i nt o t he oc ea n . I am v e ry , v er y

4 c o nc er n ed a b ou t t ha t. A nd th e n ew s t ud ie s n ow

5 s h ow t h at i t w as no t t he b i rd - - t he bi rd po op an d

6 t h e ti d al m a rs h t ha t w as t h e re a so n f or t h e

7 c l os ur e s, t h at i t w as ma yb e t he -- t h e se w ag e, an d

8 t h at ’s an ot h er p r ob le m t ha t w e a s Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h

9 r e si de n ts h a ve t o p ic k u p t o wo r k wi t h th e

1 0 s a ni ta t io n d is tr i ct , t ha t t he y d on ’t pu t t he r a w

1 1 s e wa ge ou t i n th e o ce a n.

1 2 I th in k i t’ s - - i t’ s t er ri b le a n d -- to

1 3 d o i t, bu t t hi s i s no t t he to pi c h er e . B u t wa s

1 4 t h at p u tt in g o ut th at ra w s ew ag e , I t hi nk th er e i s

1 5 - - w ha t I r e ad , t he re is a co nn e ct io n w it h t he ho t

1 6 w a te r g oi ng ou t a nd t h e cu r re nt . Ma y be e v er yt h in g

1 7 t o ge th e r, b u t al s o th e h ot wa te r a nd th e c ur re n t

1 8 h a s to do w i th t h e cl o su re of t h e be a ch es .

1 9 A n d we li ve so c l os e t o th e b ea c h, w e

2 0 a r e ve r y fo r tu na t e, b u t Ch r is ti n a wa n ts t o t el l u s

2 1 s o me th i ng j u st a b ou t t he c l os ur e . S h e le a rn ed on e

2 2 s e nt en c e, a n d th e n Mo m my w i ll c o nt in u e.

2 3 M S . C. GA LL U CC IO : Pl e as e l et m e s wi m i n

2 4 t h e oc e an .

2 5 M S . GA L LU CC I O: A nd w h at i s y ou r n am e ?


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1 M S . C. GA LL U CC IO : My na me is C h ri st i na ,

2 a n d I’ m f iv e y ea r s ol d .

3 M S . GA L LU CC I O: O ka y.

4 M S . S. GA LL U CC IO : I a m So f ia , I a m

5 t h re e y ea rs ol d.

6 M S . GA L LU CC I O: G oo d. A nd an ot h er t h in g

7 i s I d i d a t ox ic to ur fr om Lo ng Be ac h t o L A, a n d

8 w h en I di d t he t o xi c t ou r t he y t ol d u s al l a bo u t

9 a l l th e s tu f f, w h at h a pp en e d th e re . An d I c am e

1 0 h o me a n d sa i d th a nk G o d, y o u kn o w, w e h av e t he

1 1 m o ne y, or w h at ev e r, t h at w e c an li ve in H u nt in g to n

1 2 B e ac h. A nd I sa i d ma y be I op en my e y es a li tt l e

1 3 b i t mo r e wh a t is go in g a ro u nd h e re i n H un t in gt o n

1 4 B e ac h, yo u k no w, or w h at ev e r, m o re m a yb e r ic he r

1 5 n e ig hb o rh oo d . A n d I t hi nk it ’s ve ry ba d w ha t

1 6 h a pp en s i n L on g B ea ch .

1 7 S o I l o ok ed , a nd wh en I he a rd a b ou t t he

1 8 p o ll ut i on f r om t h e sa n it at i on d i st ri c t, a b ou t t en

1 9 h o us es do wn we h a ve a me ss an d p ro bl e m th a t wh e n I

2 0 g o j og g in g i n th e m or n in g, wh en yo u s ti ll ha ve th e

2 1 r e gu la r s me l ls a n d no t a ll , y ou kn ow , t he ca r a nd

2 2 e v er yt h in g e ls e, yo u’ l l sm e ll i t . A n d wh e n I s ee

2 3 t h e st e am c o mi ng ou t o f th e p ow e r pl a nt , a nd I

2 4 h e ar d t he f a ct s, I am so , s o co n ce rn e d fo r o ur

2 5 c h il dr e n. A nd a s l on g a s w e ca n d o i t he a lt h


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1 r e as on s -w is e , we pl an to s t ay a n d to fi gh t f or a

2 b e tt er fu tu r e fo r o ur ch il d re n.

3 B u t I a m so co nc e rn ed th at we o f te n

4 t h in k o f se l li ng ou r h ou se an d m ov in g . B u t I

5 d o n’ t t hi nk it ’s a so l ut io n . I t ’s a l so n o t th e

6 s o lu ti o n. I o ft e n wa t ch t h e st e am t h at i s c om i ng

7 o u t, a n d wh e n th e s te a m is go in g i n t he o t he r

8 d i re ct i on , I t hi n k oh , t ha n k Go d , it ’ s go i ng o v er

9 t h er e a nd n o t to ou r h ou se . An d t he n I s a y oh ,

1 0 o v er t h er e, ou r f am il i es , o ur f r ie nd s a re st ay i ng

1 1 o v er t h er e w it h k id s o ur a g e. I s th a t go o d th a t

1 2 t h ey g e t th e - - t ha t t he y g et i t ?

1 3 T h at i s n ot th e s ol ut i on . Ju st to b e

1 4 h a pp y a bo ut , o h, Go d, it ’s go in g i n t he o t he r o ne .

1 5 O h , th e w in d g oe s m or e t he r e th a n to ou r a re a.

1 6 I t ’s n o t a s ol ut i on . I th i nk w e n ee d t o c le an it

1 7 u p a nd we n e ed t o a dd r es s i t. A nd t h e En e rg y

1 8 C o mm is s io n s ho ul d n ot gi ve th e o ka y b ec au s e --

1 9 b e fo re al l t he s t ud ie s a re do ne . Al s o, t h e

2 0 s t ud ie s t ha t w it h p ol l ut io n w it h t he oc ea n w it h

2 1 t h e ho t w at e r. B ef or e t ha t i s f in is h ed , I t hi n k

2 2 t h er e s ho ul d n ot be a n o ka y g iv e n to th e p la nt .

2 3 D R . GA L LU CC I O: I a pp r ec ia t e yo u r

2 4 p a ti en c e wi t h ou r l on g t al k s we ’ ve h a d, a n d

2 5 a p pr ec i at e c om in g t o t al k t o us pe rs o na ll y . M y


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1 n a me i s F re d G al lu c ci o, an d I ’m a ph ys i ci an , a nd

2 I ’ m As s oc ia t e Pr o fe ss o r at th e U ni ve r si ty of

3 C a li fo r ni a. A nd I’ m 4 9, a n d si n ce I ’ ve b e en 1 6

4 y e ar s o ld I ’ ve b e en v e ry i n vo lv e d wi t h th e

5 e n vi ro n me nt a l mo v em en t , pe r s e. A nd I ha v e a

6 B a ch el o r’ s d eg re e i n b io lo g y, b u t by no m e an s a m I

7 a n e xp e rt b e yo nd th at in m y m ed i ca l e xp er i en ce . I

8 d i d si t o n t he e n vi ro n me nt a l bo a rd f o r tw o t er m s,

9 w h ic h i s al m os t e ig ht ye ar s , he r e in Hu nt i ng to n

1 0 B e ac h, un ti l a bo u t tw o y ea r s ag o .

1 1 I ha ve li ve d i n t hi s c ur re n t lo c at io n

1 2 r i gh t n ea r t he p l an t f or a b ou t 1 2 ye a rs , a nd w e

1 3 s i t ou t si de in t h e ba c k ya r d at a gl a ss t a bl e,

1 4 b e ca us e w e h av e a r el a ti ve l y sm a ll t r ac t h om e, an d

1 5 w e l ik e t he ou ts i de . An d w he n S ou th e rn C a li fo r ni a

1 6 E d is on ow ne d t he pl an t , th e re w a sn ’t mu ch

1 7 p r od uc t io n. I t h in k i t wa s n’ t c on si d er ed

1 8 w o rt hw h il e. I d o n’ t k no w h ow m a ny y e ar s a go , I

1 9 t h in k i t wa s t wo or t h re e, th ey as ke d C on to ok

2 0 o v er , a nd I gu es s t he y ’v e i nc re a se d t he ir

2 1 p r od uc t io n a bo ut 80 p e rc en t .

2 2 A n d we no ti c e a l ot o f d us t a nd di rt on

2 3 t h at t a bl e t ha t w e us e p re t ty m u ch e v er y d ay .

2 4 I n it ia l ly , w e th o ug ht it w a s ju s t fr o m th e f ir e s

2 5 t h at c o me s f ro m t he o c ea n, be ca u se w e ’r e r ig ht


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1 n e xt t o t he we tl a nd s, an d t he f i re s d ur in g t he

2 s u mm er wo ul d p ut a lo t o f s oo t. B ut it ’s -- i t ’s

3 n o t ju s t th e re i n t he wi nt e r -- th e s um me r , it ’ s

4 a l so d u ri ng th e w in te r . I t ’s i n cr ea s ed

5 t r em en d ou sl y o ve r t he la st fe w y ea rs . Th a t’ s n ot

6 a sc ie n ti fi c s tu d y, i t ’s j u st a pe rs o na l

7 o b se rv a ti on . Th a t co n ce rn s m e.

8 A l so , I d id n ’t r e al ly no ti c e ye l lo w

9 p l um es . No w , ma y be i t ’s b e ca us e I h a ve a th re e

1 0 a n d a f iv e y ea r o ld , a nd I di dn ’ t lo o k be f or e, bu t

1 1 I ju st -- I no ti c e it a lo t , at le as t s ev e ra l

1 2 t i me s a m on t h. I ’m n o t ju s t lo o ki ng at i t , I j us t

1 3 h a pp en e d to no ti c e it . Ni g ht t i me s, se em to

1 4 h a pp en mo re of te n i n t he d a y ti m e. A t le a st i t

1 5 l o ok s d ir ty . Ma y be i t ’s j u st t h e co l or s i n th e

1 6 a i r.

1 7 Y o u kn o w, w e ’r e t al ki n g ab o ut o u r lo c al

1 8 s t uf f, bu t n o on e ’s r e al ly me nt i on ed th e e ff ec t o f

1 9 t h e in c re as e d po l lu ti o n ex c ep t f or M r . Sc o tt , w ho

2 0 l i ve s d ow n t he s t re et fr om me . He s a id t h at h e

2 1 w a s am a ze d a t ho w m uc h i t w as i n cr ea s ed , e ve n

2 2 t h ou gh th ey ’ re g o in g t o us e a n 8 5 -- th ey ’ re

2 3 s u pp os e d to ma rk it d o wn b y 9 5 p er ce n t. T he

2 4 o v er al l p ro d uc ti o n se e ms t o h av e g on e u p t o th e

2 5 p o in t w e’ re pr od u ci ng mu ch mo re .


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1 B u t th a t in c re as e d pr o du ct i on , a s we

2 k n ow , t he o z on e l ay er in t h e ou t er a t mo sp h er e i s

3 d e cr ea s in g, an d a s a p hy si c ia n, ju st be in g P as t

4 P r es id e nt o f t he Ca li f or ni a A ca d em y o f Fa m il y

5 P r ac ti c e an d t he lo ca l c ha p te r, on e o f th e t hi n gs

6 w e ’r e t ry in g t o b ri ng ov er fr om Ne w Z ea la n d an d

7 A u st ra l ia i s t he su n p ro te c ti on pr og r am a s t he

8 i n cr ea s ed i n ci de n ce o f s ki n c an c er , w hi ch is

9 t r em en d ou s, in t h at a r ea o f t he he mi s ph er e , of

1 0 t h at w o rl d. A nd it ’s ha pp e ni ng he re , a s w el l.

1 1 I ta ke ca nc e rs o f f of pe op l e’ s s ki n a t le a st o n ce

1 2 a we ek , t ha t a re di re c tl y s un r e la te d , fr o m pe o pl e

1 3 t h at a r e in th ei r t we n ti es an d t hi rt i es . An d i t’ s

1 4 u s ua ll y a d i se as e m or e i n t he f i ft ie s - - w el l, no t

1 5 e v er y w ee k f ro m p eo pl e t ha t y ou n g. B ut I se e i t

1 6 i n t ha t y ou n g, b u t I d o ta k e it of f, an d i t’ s

1 7 u s ua ll y p eo p le i n t he i r fi f ti es an d s ix ti e s.

1 8 W h at I ’ m tr y in g t o sa y i s i t’ s o n th e

1 9 u pr is e , an d i t’ s n ot ju st s qu am o us c e ll b a sa l c el l

2 0 c a nc er s , wh i ch d o n’ t k il l y ou . Me la n om as , w hi c h

2 1 d o k il l y ou , h av e i nc r ea se d f ro m o ne in t e n

2 2 t h ou sa n d to on e i n on e t ho u sa nd pe op l e ov e r th e

2 3 l a st 2 0 y ea r s. W e do n ’t k n ow f o r su r e, b u t it

2 4 s u re i m pl ie s t ha t t he in cr e as ed su n e xp os u re h a s

2 5 i n cr ea s ed t h e ri s k of ha vi n g th e se - - t he s e


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1 c a nc er s t ha t c au s e de a th .

2 T h en t h er e’ s t he is su e o f t he i n cr ea s ed

3 t e mp er a tu re , t he gl ob a l wa r mi ng , t ha t o ur co un t ry

4 s e em s t o wa n t to av oi d o n a n at i on al le ve l , fr o m

5 t h e li t tl e b it I ’ ve f o ll ow e d it . Bu t i t i s an

6 i s su e I t hi n k we ne ed to d e al w i th , a nd I th in k w e

7 n e ed t o l oo k a t i t ou t h er e a s w el l, an d I ’m s u re

8 I ’ m te l li ng yo u t hi ng s y ou kn ow al re a dy , b ut I

9 j u st w a nt ed to b r in g i t up .

1 0 I we nt on t h e to u r, t o o, a n d ag a in , I ’m

1 1 n o t ve r y ex p er t i n th i s ar e a, b u t I w as s h oc ke d b y

1 2 t h e in e ff ic i en cy th at -- I ha d m y ow n p ri v at e

1 3 t o ur , s in ce I wa s l at e . I ha d o ne g u y ta k e me

1 4 a r ou nd . It wa s a p re t ty g o od e x pe ri e nc e. B ut it

1 5 s e em ed dr am a ti ca l ly i n ef fi c ie nt , i n t er ri b le

1 6 d i sr ep a ir , a nd t h er e w as a lo t o f -- yo u c ou ld

1 7 s m el l g as i n c er t ai n a re as , a nd yo u c ou ld fe el

1 8 h e at , a nd y o u ca n s ee st ea m c om i ng o u t. A nd

1 9 t h er e’ s a l o t of wa st e . W e ’v e t al ke d a bo u t th e

2 0 w a te r w ar mt h . A n d I w as j u st w o nd er i ng , w it h t he

2 1 g r ea t t ec hn o lo gy we h a ve , w hy w e a re n ’t u s in g t he

2 2 n e w te c hn ol o gy . An d I - - I w on ’ t go an y f ur th e r

2 3 w i th t h at , b ec au s e ot h er p e op le ha ve me nt i on ed it .

2 4 I wa s a ls o c on ce r ne d w he n h e to l d me

2 5 s e al s a nd f i sh h a ve b e en s u ck ed in to th e w at er


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1 s u pp ly ta nk . I’ m w on d er in g w hy th at ’ s go i ng o n ,

2 w h at k i nd o f t ec h no lo g y we ’ re u s in g t he re .

3 I al so no ti c ed t h at t h er e’ s a S o ut he r n

4 C a li fo r ni a E di so n m ac h in e s tr uc t ur e t he re . An d I

5 s a id w e ll , I t ho u gh t S ou th e rn C a li fo r ni a E di so n

6 w a sn ’t th er e a ny m or e. A nd th e r ep ly I ha d w as

7 w e ll , t he y’ r e re a dy t o g o t o bu i ld t h e pl a nt a s

8 s o on a s t he y g et th e o ka y, ho pe f ul ly th is mo nt h .

9 S o I d o n’ t k no w t he w h ol e p ol it i cs o f

1 0 t h at , b ut w h at I ’ ve b e en h e ar in g g oi n g on he re , i t

1 1 s o un ds li ke th er e ’s s o me q u es ti o n wh e th er th ey

1 2 s h ou ld be t h at f a r al o ng w i th t h e pr o ce ss al re a dy .

1 3 A s m y w if e m en ti o ne d, so la r e le c tr ic i ty

1 4 i s a p o ss ib i li ty . We ’ re d o in g i t at ou r h ou se .

1 5 S a cr am e nt o, as y o u pr o ba bl y a re aw ar e o f, ha s d on e

1 6 a si gn i fi ca n t th i ng t h er e.

1 7 A n d I - - I w ou ld li ke to c l os e, an d I

1 8 d o n’ t k no w w ha t y ou c a n do fo r t hi s i n yo u r

1 9 p o si ti o n, b u t ob v io us l y de c re as e d co n su mp t io n, as

2 0 y o u dr i ve d o wn t h e st r ee ts yo u s ee s t re et li gh t s

2 1 t h at a r e re a ll y t he re fo r n ot m u ch u s e ex c ep t t o

2 2 w a st e e ne rg y , as fa r a s I’ m c on c er ne d . P l ac es

2 3 l i ke D i sn ey l an d, et c e te ra , w ho le av e t he i r li g ht s

2 4 o n a ll th e t im e. I ’d li ke to s e e ta x es i n cr ea s ed

2 5 f o r us e a nd co ns u mp ti o n, a n d th a t mo n ey s h ou ld be


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1 u s ed t o - - t o su b si di z e pe o pl e t o ge t s ol a r

2 e l ec tr i ci ty an d o th er no n- t ox ic fo rm s o f

3 p r od uc t io n. I ’d li ke to c o ns id e r in c re as i ng t h e

4 p r ic e t re me n do us l y on ta xi n g fo r e le c tr ic i ty , s o

5 p e op le wi ll ha ve a te n de nc y n ot to u s e th e ir - -

6 w a st e t he ir el ec t ri ci t y li k e we do i n g en e ra l.

7 A g ai n, I kn o w yo u c an ’ t do th at .

8 A n d my fi na l t hi n g, w h ic h e ve ry o ne h a s

9 s a id , i s I d on ’t kn ow ho w y ou c a n do -- e v al ua t e

1 0 s o me th i ng l i ke t h is i n s ix mo nt h s. W he n I w as on

1 1 t h e en v ir on m en ta l b oa r d, i t w en t o n a nd o n a nd on

1 2 a n d on , a nd si x m on th s i s - - is no th i ng . We ll ,

1 3 y o u kn o w be t te r t ha n I d o, bu t I t hi n k tw o m on t hs

1 4 o r t hr e e we e ks i s r id i cu lo u s. A nd I wo ul d h op e

1 5 t h at y o u wo u ld p l ea se co ns i de r e xt en d in g t he

1 6 p e ri od of e v al ua t io n u nt il al l t he i n fo rm a ti on

1 7 w i ll b e i n a nd w e c an se e t he re ’ s go o d te c hn ol o gy .

1 8 A n d ag a in , t ha nk yo u v er y m uc h f or y o ur

1 9 t i me .

2 0 ( A pp la u se .)

2 1 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u,

2 2 D o ct or .

2 3 J a n V an De r Sl oo t . A r e yo u h er e ?

2 4 N o . C o nn ie B oa rd m an .

2 5 M S . BO A RD MA N : G o od e v en in g ,


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1 C o mm is s io ne r s. M y na m e is Co nn i e B oa rd m an , a nd

2 I ’ m a m em be r o f t he H u nt in g to n B ea ch Ci ty Co un c il .

3 F o rg iv e m y v oi ce , b ut I ha v e a b it o f a c o ld .

4 A b ou t a w ee k a go I ha d t he op po r tu ni t y

5 t o b ri e fl y t ou r t he A E S pl a nt , a nd I wa s s ur pr i se d

6 t o f in d o ut pa rt of t h e pl a nt w a s bu i lt i n 1 95 8 ,

7 t h e sa m e ye a r th a t I w as b o rn . No w, I do n ’t t h in k

8 a 42 y e ar o l d wo m an i s a ll th at ol d. B ut I do

9 t h in k 4 2 ye a r ol d e le c tr ic a l ge n er at i ng t e ch no l og y

1 0 i s v er y o ld . An d I t h in k i t’ s o ld e n ou gh to b e

1 1 c l as si f ie d t o th e d in o sa ur s .

1 2 I fu ll y u nd e rs ta n d th e n ec e ss it y t he

1 3 p o we r e me rg e nc y h as p l ac ed on b r in gi n g ne w

1 4 e l ec tr i ca l s ou rc e s on l in e. I t i s th i s em e rg en c y

1 5 t h at h a s yo u c on s id er i ng a 60 d a y ap p ro va l . A n

1 6 a p pr ov a l pr o ce ss th at do es no t g iv e y ou r S ta ff ,

1 7 n o r th e c it y s ta f f of Hu nt i ng to n B ea c h ne a rl y

1 8 e n ou gh ti me to a d eq ua t el y e va lu a te t h e im p ac t

1 9 t h es e u ni ts wi ll ha ve on t h e so u th er n C al i fo rn i a

2 0 r e gi on , o r e no ug h t im e t o a de qu a te ly ad dr e ss

2 1 m i ti ga t io n f or t h es e i mp ac t s.

2 2 I ur ge yo u t o sl o w th e t ra i n do w n a

2 3 l i tt le bi t, to a l lo w y ou r S ta ff an d o ur s t af f t o

2 4 d o a d e ce nt jo b i n ad d re ss i ng t h e im p ac ts

2 5 r e to ol i ng U n it s 3 a nd 4 wi l l ha v e. A ls o, si nc e


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1 t h e re a so n t ha t t hi s a pp ro v al p r oc es s h as be en so

2 a c ce le r at ed is t o h el p s ol v e a C al if o rn ia en er g y

3 c r is is , a t l ea st re qu i re A E S to ke ep th e e ne rg y

4 g e ne ra t ed b y U ni t s 3 a nd 4 in t h e St a te o f

5 C a li fo r ni a. I u n de rs t an d t he y’ r e un d er n o

6 o b li ga t io n t o se l l th e e ne r gy g e ne ra t ed b y U ni t s 3

7 a n d 4 t o Wi l li am s , li k e th e y ar e w it h U ni t s 1 a nd

8 2 .

9 T h e re a so ns I’ m s o co n ce rn e d ab o ut t h e

1 0 i m pa ct s t hi s p la n t wi l l ha v e ar e m ai n ly t w of ol d .

1 1 O n e, t h e wa t er q u al it y a lo n g ou r b ea c he s. T he AE S

1 2 p l an t m ay b e t ie d t o h ig h l ev el s o f b ac te r ia

1 3 r e ac hi n g ou r b ea c he s, re su l ti ng in b e ac h c lo su r es .

1 4 W i th U n it s 3 a nd 4 ru n ni ng , a lo n g wi t h Un i ts 1 an d

1 5 2 , t he pl an t w il l b e a bl e t o di s ch ar g e ov e r a h al f

1 6 a bi ll i on g a ll on s o f w at er 20 t o 3 0 d eg re e w ar m er

1 7 t h an t h e oc e an w a te r, ev er y s in g le d a y. I t

1 8 a p pe ar s t ha t t hi s h ot wa te r m ay be a c tu al l y

1 9 p r ov id i ng a pa th w ay f o r th e b ac t er ia in t h e se w ag e

2 0 d u mp ed fo ur mi le s o ff ou r c oa st to t r av el ba ck to

2 1 o u r be a ch es .

2 2 F u rt he r s tu d ie s a re p l an ne d t hi s s pr i ng

2 3 t o f ur t he r v er if y t hi s l in k . B u t ho w c an an y

2 4 e n vi ro n me nt a l as s es sm e nt d o ne n o w ad e qu at e ly

2 5 a d dr es s t hi s p ot e nt ia l i mp a ct u n ti l t he l i nk i s


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1 b e tt er es ta b li sh e d th r ou gh th e s tu di e s pl a nn ed

2 t h is s p ri ng ? Si m pl y p ut , i t ca n ’t . So a n y

3 e n vi ro n me nt a l as s es sm e nt y o ur S t af f d oe s n ow c o ul d

4 b e i na d eq ua t e in li gh t o f t he n e w da t a ge n er at e d

5 i n t he sp ri n g.

6 N o w, a s y ou ca n i ma gi n e, o u r lo c al

7 e c on om y i n t he s u mm er is v e ry d e pe nd e nt o n b ea c h

8 g o er s. W it h b ea c h cl o su re s l ik e w e h ad i n 1 99 9 ,

9 o u r lo c al e c on om y i s g oi ng to s u ff er gr ea t ly .

1 0 M y s ec o nd c o nc er n i s a ir q u al it y .

1 1 C u rr en t ly , A ES i s a rg u in g w it h t he A Q MD o v er t h e

1 2 p o ll ut i on c o nt ro l u ni t s fo r t he p ea ke r u ni t s, f o r

1 3 e x am pl e . R i gh t n ow , I u nd e rs ta n d th e re a r en ’t --

1 4 t h er e i sn ’t mu ch of a n e mi s si on co nt r ol o n t he s e

1 5 u n it s. T he y a ls o b ur n a h i gh er su lf u r na t ur al ga s

1 6 r e su lt i ng i n s ul f ur e m is si o ns , a s we l l as N Ox

1 7 e m is si o ns f r om t h e un i ts . Th es e r un at t h e

1 8 r e qu es t o f t he I S O ty p ic al l y in th e a ft er n oo n o r

1 9 e a rl y e ve ni n g, a n d ca u se a gr ea t d ea l o f n oi se an d

2 0 a d di ti o na l p ol lu t io n i n th e n ei g hb or h oo d a ro un d

2 1 t h e pl a nt . An d i t wo u ld b e n ic e i f t he u s e of

2 2 t h es e c ou ld be e l im in a te d, or p e rh ap s o nl y u se d

2 3 d u ri ng ro ll i ng b l ac ko u t em e rg en c ie s.

2 4 A E S do e s no t c ur r en tl y h av e S CR s o n

2 5 U n it s 1 a nd 2, a n d wh i le t h e co u nc il ha d t hi s i te m


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1 o n o ur ag en d a la s t ni g ht , i t wa s p ul l ed a t A ES ’s

2 r e qu es t . T h ey r e qu es t ed a co nt i nu an c e. U ni ts 3

3 a n d 4, wi th th e S CR s i ns ta l le d w il l s ti ll pr od u ce

4 a b ou t 4 5 to n s of N Ox e a ch y e ar . Al l f ou r u ni ts

5 a r e go i ng t o r el e as e a bo ut 90 t o ns , e ve n w it h t he

6 s c ru bb e rs i n st al l ed . Wh ic h l ea d s me ba ck to m y

7 d e sc ri p ti on of t h is p l an t a s a d in os a ur . I th i nk

8 i t ’s t i me f o r mo r e hi g hl y e vo lv e d te c hn ol o gy t o

9 r e pl ac e t he di no s au r.

1 0 I f w e’ r e to ha ve th is pl an t i n o ur c i ty ,

1 1 I wo ul d l ik e t o r eq ue s t th a t th e C om m is si o n, a s a

1 2 c o nd it i on o f a pp r ov al , r eq u ir e t he A E S Co m pa ny to

1 3 r e pl ac e t hi s p la n t ov e r a r ea so n ab le ti me pe ri o d

1 4 w i th a lo w p ro fi l e st a te o f t he ar t p la nt , s im i la r

1 5 t o o ne pl an n ed f o r M or ro Ba y.

1 6 I ’ m al s o re q ue st i ng f r om t h e Co m mi ss i on

1 7 t h at y o u es t ab li s h mi t ig at i on t h at t h e AE S C om p an y

1 8 w o ul d p ay t o h el p t he ci ty de al wi th th e p ro bl e ms

1 9 i t s pr e se nc e c au s es o u r ec o no my an d t he p e op le of

2 0 o u r co m mu ni t y.

2 1 T h an k y ou .

2 2 ( A pp la u se .)



2 5 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Li n da S c ot t.


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1 L i nd a S co tt .

2 M S . SC O TT : Th an k y ou . My na me is L i nd a

3 S c ot t, an d I ’m a re si d en t o f Hu n ti ng t on B e ac h. I

4 l i ve a b ou t o ne s i gn al li gh t a wa y f ro m t he po we r

5 p l an t.

6 W h en t h e p ea ke r u ni t g oe s o n - - I c an

7 l o ok a t t he pl an t b ut I -- I wo u ld n’ t b e a bl e t o

8 t e ll y o u wh a t Un i t 1 a nd w h at U n it 2 an d 3 a re .

9 B u t wh e n th e p ea ke r u ni t g oe s o n, so me of m y

1 0 n e ig hb o rs t e ll m e t he y k no w t hi s b ec a us e t he y h ea r

1 1 a hi gh sc re e ch in g s ou n d. I - - I l iv e o ne si gn a l

1 2 l i gh t a wa y, an d I - - I d on ’ t of t en h e ar t h at .

1 3 I ca n t el l y ou w h en t h e p ea ke r u ni t g oe s

1 4 o n b ec a us e I s me l l it . I d on ’t ha ve wo rd s t o t el l

1 5 y o u wh a t it sm el l s li k e, b u t it ’ s no t n ic e . W h en

1 6 I go o u ts id e a ft e r I s me ll it , I s ee a ye l lo w

1 7 b i li ou s c lo u d co m in g o ut o f t he sq ua r e st a ck . AE S

1 8 t e ll s u s th a t th a t’ s s te am . I k no w w ha t t he

1 9 d e fi ni t io n o f st e am i s i n m y ki t ch en , a nd th at is

2 0 n o t st e am . Th er e ’s s o me th i ng i n t ha t e mi s si on

2 1 c o mi ng ou t o f th e re t h at ’s ye ll o w.

2 2 W e , th e p ub l ic , a re t o ld t h at w h en w e

2 3 h a ve a pr ob l em w i th t h is , w e ca n c al l 1 -8 0 0-

2 4 C U TS MO G , an d t ha t w il l g et us t o t he AQ MD , w hi c h

2 5 I ’ ve d o ne b e fo re , a nd se ve r al o f m y n ei gh b or s.


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1 A b ou t t wo w e ek s a go , a ft er se ve r al o f u s c al le d a

2 f e w ti m es , A QM D s en t t wo m e n ou t t o m y ho m e --

3 o t he r n ei gh b or s, as w e ll , n ot j u st m i ne - - a nd

4 t h ey s a t in my k i tc he n a nd to ld me t h at t h e wa y a

5 v i ol at i on i s r ep o rt ed , t he y u se d a r e al ly ni ce

6 w o rd c a ll ed op ac i ty , a nd w h at t h at m e an s i s Jo e o r

7 B o b, w h oe ve r ’s o n c ha r ge t h at n i gh t, co me s o ut an d

8 l o ok s a t th e y el l ow c l ou d a nd d e ci de s i f t he re ’ s a

9 p e rc en t ag e r at io of h o w fa r t he y c an se e t hr ou g h

1 0 i t . I fo rg e t, t h ey s a id I th in k 1 7 p er ce n t, b u t

1 1 i t c ou l d be as h i gh a s 2 0 p er ce n t be f or e i t’ s a

1 2 l e gi ti m at e v io la t io n. A nd th at ’ s wh a t de t er mi n es

1 3 a vi ol a ti on .

1 4 I n y ou r o pe n in g r em ar k s to n ig ht , y ou

1 5 s a id - - I b e li ev e I h e ar d y ou s a y th e t er m w e’ r e

1 6 g o in g t o ba c k lo a d ru l es i n to t h is w i th t h is g r ou p

1 7 o f p eo p le u p h er e , an d t ha t t he y w il l m ak e t he s e

1 8 r u le s b e ad h er ed to . Wh at I wo u ld p l ea w i th y o u

1 9 t o ni gh t i s, es pe c ia ll y y ou , i f y ou g e nt le m en a r e

2 0 t h e on e s in ch ar g e of th e r ul es , w ou l d yo u p le a se

2 1 d o s om e th in g i n t hi s t ec hn o lo gi c al a g e th a t ha s

2 2 d i gi ta l o r a na lo g r ea d ou t, or s o me th i ng b l ac k a nd

2 3 w h it e t ha t I c an se e, wh en I kn o w th e re ’s a

2 4 v i ol at i on . Pl ea s e, d o n’ t j us t l et B o b or Jo e c om e

2 5 o u t an d d ec i de w e ll , I t hi n k it ’ s ab o ut a 15


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1 p e rc en t v io l at io n . I -- I ju st fi nd th at

2 r i di cu l ou s.

3 W o ul d y ou p l ea se do t h at f o r me . Th a nk

4 y o u.

5 ( A pp la u se .)


7 W e h av e f ou r c ar d s up he re of p e op le wh o

8 w e re c a ll ed an d a re n’ t h er e . L e t me ju st go

9 t h ro ug h t he m o ne mo re ti me , a nd th en we ’l l o pe n

1 0 t h e m ic .

1 1 W e h av e D av i d S te dm a n. I s he he re ?

1 2 O k ay . Ji m L an e. B il l C ur t is . An d I

1 3 t h in k i t’ s J an V an De r sl oo t .

1 4 O k ay .

1 5 P U BL IC AD VI S ER M E ND ON C A: M r. S he an , t he

1 6 P u bl ic Ad vi s er w a s ha n de d t hr ee pu bl i c co m me nt

1 7 c a rd s, on e f ro m G eo rg e M as o n, o n e fr o m Jo h n E ly ,

1 8 a n d on e f ro m S te p ha ni e P ac he c o. A nd t h es e a re

1 9 b a si ca l ly d e si gn e d to go t o t he St af f a s

2 0 q u es ti o ns , w hi ch th e S ta ff ha s a gr ee d t ha t t he y

2 1 w i ll a n sw er an d g et b a ck t o t he s e pe o pl e. S o I ’l l

2 2 t u rn t h es e o ve r t o th e S ta f f.

2 3 H E AR IN G O FF I CE R S HE AN : Th a nk y o u, M s .

2 4 M en do n ca .

2 5 A l l ri g ht . At t h is p o in t w e ar e h ap p y


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1 t o o pe n t he m ic i f y ou wa nt e d to sp ea k b ut di dn ’ t

2 e i th er ha ve th e o pp or t un it y t o f il l o ut a ca rd , o r

3 t h er e w as n’ t a c a rd f o r yo u t o f il l o ut . We ’d

4 l i ke t o h ea r f ro m y ou . Th i s is , l et me s a y,

5 e x ac tl y w hy we c o me d o wn i n to t h e lo c al a r ea i n

6 t h e no w a l i tt le ov er th re e h ou r s th a t we ’ ve b e en

7 h e re . Th e i nf or m at io n t ha t w e h av e g le an e d, y o u

8 k n ow , i s mo r e th a n wo u ld f i ll t h at A F C do c um en t .

9 I t ’s v e ry i m po rt a nt t h at y o u ar e h er e , an d i t’ s

1 0 v e ry i m po rt a nt t h at t h os e o f yo u w ho sp ok e d id so ,

1 1 a n d th a t th o se o f y ou wh o a re h e re s u pp or t in g t he m

1 2 i n t ha t e ff o rt t o c om m un ic a te t o u s w er e - - we r e

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1 t h e li s t th a t’ s o ve r t he re by t h e Pu b li c A dv is e r,

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1 n u mb er of i s su es .

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