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Meeting Minutes: IEEE 802.3bt DTE Power via MDI over 4-pair Task Force November, 9-12, 2015 Dallas, Texas, USA Prepared by Jairo Bustos Heredia November Plenary Meeting of the IEEE 802.3bt DTE Power via MDI over 4-pair Task Force meeting convened at 8:22 a.m., Tuesday, November 10, 2015 by Dave Abramson, 802.3bt Task Force Comment Editor. ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS Call to order Mr. Dave Abramson, Task Force Comment Editor and Acting Chair, called the meeting to order at 8:22 a.m. on behalf of Mr. Chad Jones, Chair of the IEEE 802.3bt Task Force, who was temporarily unavailable. Mr. Dave Abramson called for introductions and affiliations. Participants introduced themselves. Mr. Dave Abramson appointed Jairo Bustos Heredia acting recording secretary for the session. Mr. Dave Abramson reviewed the Agenda, focused on resolving comments on draft D1.4 and hearing associated contributions. Motion #1: Motion to approve Agenda for November 2015 Task Force Meeting (agenda_1115.pdf) Mover: Dave Dwelley Seconder: Dylan Walker Approved by voice vote without opposition (Procedural > 50%) November, 10 2015, 8:37 a.m. Mr. Dave Abramson introduced the “Task Force Decorum” inviting anyone attending from the press, including those who would run a public blog on this meeting, to point themselves out. There were no indications. Mr. Dave Abramson noted that there should be no recording or photography without permission. Goals of the meeting, Reflector & Web and Ground Rules were read by Mr. Dave Abramson. He also reminds attendees to record their attendance in the IMAT Tool for the sessions, as well as reminds participants to wear their badges in public at all times. Mr. Abramson reminded the attendees of inappropriate topics that should not be discussed. These included price, no matter which currency. Mr. Abramson asks if anyone has not heard about the patent policy. Having nobody in the room who has not, Mr. Abramson proceeds to call for potentially essential patents at 8:36 a.m. with no responses to the call for patents. Mr. Abramson reads through “Other guidelines for IEEE WG Meetings”. Mr. Abramson goes through the overview of the Standards Process, indicating at which point the WG finds itself.
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MeetingMinutes:IEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForceNovember,9-12,2015Dallas,Texas,USA

PreparedbyJairoBustosHeredia

NovemberPlenaryMeetingof the IEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForcemeetingconvenedat8:22a.m.,Tuesday,November10,2015byDaveAbramson,802.3btTaskForceCommentEditor.

ADMINISTRATIVEMATTERS

Calltoorder

Mr.DaveAbramson,TaskForceCommentEditorandActingChair,calledthemeetingtoorderat8:22a.m.onbehalfofMr.ChadJones,ChairoftheIEEE802.3btTaskForce,whowastemporarilyunavailable.Mr.DaveAbramsoncalledforintroductionsandaffiliations.Participantsintroducedthemselves.

Mr.DaveAbramsonappointedJairoBustosHerediaactingrecordingsecretaryforthesession.Mr.DaveAbramsonreviewedtheAgenda,focusedonresolvingcommentsondraftD1.4andhearingassociatedcontributions.

Motion#1:MotiontoapproveAgendaforNovember2015TaskForceMeeting(agenda_1115.pdf)

Mover:DaveDwelley Seconder:DylanWalker

Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%)November,102015,8:37a.m.Mr.DaveAbramsonintroducedthe“TaskForceDecorum”invitinganyoneattendingfromthepress,includingthosewhowouldrunapublicblogonthismeeting,topointthemselvesout.Therewerenoindications.Mr.DaveAbramsonnotedthatthereshouldbenorecordingorphotographywithoutpermission.Goalsofthemeeting,Reflector&WebandGroundRuleswerereadbyMr.DaveAbramson.HealsoremindsattendeestorecordtheirattendanceintheIMATToolforthesessions,aswellasremindsparticipantstoweartheirbadgesinpublicatalltimes.Mr.Abramsonremindedtheattendeesof inappropriatetopicsthatshouldnotbediscussed.Theseincludedprice,nomatterwhichcurrency.Mr.Abramsonasksifanyonehasnotheardaboutthepatentpolicy.Havingnobodyintheroomwhohas not, Mr. Abramson proceeds to call for potentially essential patents at 8:36 a.m. with noresponsestothecallforpatents.Mr.Abramsonreadsthrough“OtherguidelinesforIEEEWGMeetings”.Mr.AbramsongoesthroughtheoverviewoftheStandardsProcess,indicatingatwhichpointtheWGfindsitself.

Wemakearecessbeing8:45a.m.Thesessionresumesbeing8:50a.m.LIAISONSMr.Abramsonnotestwoliaisonsforthismeeting.

- FromTIATR42:TR42-2015-10-113LiaisontoIEEE802.3btreTSB-184-ADraft3.0- FromISO/IECJTC1SC25toIEEE802.3oncableheating

ADHOCREPORTSTherearenoAdHocReports.Motion#2:ApprovetheMinutesfromOctober2015

Mover:MatthiasWendt Seconder:DanDove

Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%),November,102015,8:54a.m.

MeetingMinutes from theOctober Interimmay be found under the following hyperlink: October2015Minutes.

CommentResolutionandPresentationsMr. Abramson then moves on to main business of the meeting, which is comment resolution.Resolution of comments by consensus or motion is listed in the comment database. Proceduralevents and significant motions are below. Please see the comment resolution files posted fordetailedactioninthemeeting.In the case of a presentation associated to a comment, it is noted along with the presenter andcomment number. In the case of a motion, it is recorded along with the comment number (ifapplicable.)EZBucketMr.AbramsonnotedseveralcommentswererequestedoverthereflectortoberemovedfromtheEZbucket.Hethenproposedthefollowingmotion:

Motion #3: Approve the responses for the EZ bucket comments as found in the file

802d3bt_D1p4_EZ_DraftOrder.pdf with the exception of comments: 5, 30, 38, 42, 52, 113, 122,

137,145,211and217

Mover:DaveAbramson Seconder:LennartYseboodtMr.Abramsonasksifthereisanydiscussiononthemotion.Beingnone,votingprocessproceeds.

Yes:22;No:0;Abstain:1(Technical>75%)

Motionpasses.November,102015,8:58a.m.Mr.Abramsongoes throughthecomments removed fromEZbucket.Being9:23a.m., removedEZBucketcommentshavealreadybeenreviewed.Mr.AbramsonmovesontononEZBucketcomments

(106 in total), focusing first on those commentswhich do not have any associated presentations.Thesemaybefoundunderthefollowinghyperlink:nonEZBucketcomments.**********************************************************************************Break:recessat10:13a.m.Sessionresumesat10:32a.m.**********************************************************************************

**********************************************************************************Lunch:recessat11:55a.m.Sessionresumesat1:27p.m.**********************************************************************************

Thegroupproceedswithcommentresolution.Mr.AbramsonremindsattendeestologintoIMATToolandrecordtheirattendance.

Mr.YseboodtwouldliketohaveStrawPollforcomment#201(2:04p.m.).ItwasvotedtoeitherleavethetextasitisorchangetoXandY(seecomment#201innonEZBucketcomments)

ResultofStrawPoll:

Asitis:4

ChangetoXandY:8

**********************************************************************************Breakrecessat3:01p.m.Sessionresumesat3:19p.m.**********************************************************************************

Duetoanendlessdiscussiononcomment#205,Mr.Abramsonproposestovoteforacceptingorrejectingit.

Accept:10

Reject:0

Abstain:8

Commentisaccepted.

At3:58p.m.,allnon-presentation-relateddocumentswhichhavenorelationwithStateDiagramwereresolved.Discussionproceedstocommentswithrelatedpresentations.

Presentations

Title:NewClauseforType3&4(yseboodt_1_1115_newclause_v120.pdf)

Presenter:LennartYseboodt

Relatedtocomments:102

Discussion:PresenterpresentshisproposalofsplittingupClause33andhavinganewClauseforTypes3and4andtheirinteractionwithTypes1and2.HedescribedthereasonsforwhichunderhisopinionasplittingoftheClausewouldbebeneficial,aswellasdescribingtheproceduretofollowwhensplitting.

Title:TwoPoEchaptersvs.1:pro’sandcon’s.(darshan_06_1115.pdf).

Presenter:YairDarshan

Relatedtocomments:102

Discussion:PresenterpresentshisproposalofkeepingonlyoneClauseforPoE,whichdescribeallTypes.HeenumeratedthedifferentbenefitsofkeepingoneClause.

StrawPoll(followingChicagorules)takesplaceregardingsplittingorkeepingClause33.

Splitting:11

Keeping:17

Title:LLDPExtensionsII(wendt_1_1115_LLDP_Extensions_v100.pdf)

Presenter:MatthiasWendt

Relatedtocomment:153,155

Mr.AbramsonindicatesthatTaskForceMeetingwillresumeeitherWednesdayat8:30a.m.orwhentheStateMachineAdHocfinishes,whichevercomeslater,butnolaterthan1:00p.m.

**********************************************************************************Meetingrecessesforthedayat5:41p.m.

**********************************************************************************

NovemberPlenaryMeetingof the IEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForcemeeting convened at 10:25AM,Wednesday,November 11, 2015 by Chad Jones, 802.3btTaskForceChair

Mr.ChadJones,TaskForceChair,callsbackinsessionat10:25a.m.resumingcommentresolutionwithpresentation-relatedcomments(nonEZBucketcomments).HealsoremindsattendeestologontoIMATToolandrecordattendancefortheday,passingaroundtheattendancesheet.

Mr.AbramsonrecommendsresumingwithcommentsrelatedtoStateDiagram,aswehavejustfinishedtheStateDiagramAdHoc.

At10:26a.m.therewasanewstrawpoll,followingNon-Chicagorules,regardingthesplittingoftheClause:

Split:10

Keep:8

Abstain:3

**********************************************************************************Lunch:recessat11:55a.m.Sessionresumesat1:22p.m.

**********************************************************************************

Comment#201appearsagain.Mr.Abramsonproceedstoopenavotingprocess:

Accept:10

Reject:5

Abstain:13

Commentisrejected.

At1:46p.m.commentsnotrelatedtopresentationsarefinished.

Title:BaselineforFigure33-14v310(yseboodt_10_1115_Figure_33_14_v310.pdf)

Presenter:LennartYseboodt

Relatedtocomment:8,40and139

Sessionjumpsoutofcommentresolutiontopresentationsat2:42p.m.

Title:ConductorAmpacity4-pairCommunicationsCables(diminico_1_1115.pdf)

Presenter:ChrisDiMinico

Relatedtocomment:N.A.

**********************************************************************************Break:recessat3:29p.m.Sessionresumesat4:01p.m.**********************************************************************************

TaskForcecontinueswithpresentations.

Title:BaselineforPtypev110(Yseboodt_6_1115_Ptype_baseline_v110.pdf)

Presenter:LennartYseboodt

Relatedtocomment:33,47,207,203,206

Votingprocessisopenedforthispresentation,4:20p.m.Adopt“Yseboodt_6_1115_Ptype_baseline_v110.pdf”with45WreplacedwithTBD

Yes:13

No:10

Abstain:11

Votingfails.

Votingprocessforacceptingcomment#207:

Accept:16

Reject:0

Abstain:20

Commentisaccepted.

Title:Proposedresponsetocomment146,147(darshan_07_1115.pdf)

Presenter:YairDarshan

Relatedtocomment:146,147

Title:Figure33-1-Rpair_max_PDandRpair_min_PDPDcommonmodeinputeffectiveimpedance(darshan_01_1115.pdf)

Presenter:YairDarshan

Relatedtocomment:10,222

Title:AddressingthechangesinTable33-1forsupportingType3and4PSEsInrush(darshan_04_1115Rev009.pdf)

Presenter:YairDarshan

Relatedtocomment:11

**********************************************************************************Meetingrecessforthedayat5:53p.m.

NovemberPlenaryMeetingoftheIEEE802.3btDTEPowerviaMDIover4-pairTaskForcemeetingconvenedat8:00AM,Thursday,November12,2015byChadJones,802.3btTaskForceChair

Mr.ChadJones,TaskForceChair,callsbackinsessionat8:00a.m.

Title:Figure33-17.1–PSE-PDsimplifiedCportinterpretationmodel(darshan_02_1115.pdf)

Presenter:YairDarshan

Relatedtocomment:202,221

Title:Updating33.3.7.10perD1.4requirements(darshan_03_1115.pdf)

Presenter:YairDarshan

Relatedtocomment:13,186

Comment#102.VotingprocessforsplittingClause33intoseparatesubclauses,withinClause33(seeLennart’sTOCinthereflector.

Split:19

Notsplit:11

Abstain:11

Votingfails.Commentisrejected.

**********************************************************************************Break:recessat10:06a.m.Sessionresumesat10:25a.m.

**********************************************************************************

Mr.DavidLawpresents“UseofPowerPriceIndexinformationinmeasurementTLV”.(law_1_1115.pdf)

AfterMr.Law’spresentation,thesessioncontinueswithcommentresolutionat10:50a.m.

Title:Type3andType4PSEstatediagram–variables,functionsandtimers(walker_1_1115_rev_2.pdf)

Presenter:DylanWalker

Relatedtocomment:n.A.

Mr.ChadJonespresentsanewtimelineproposition,version3

Motion#4:AdopttheApprovedTimelinev3

Mover:LennartYseboodt Seconder:YairDarshan

Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%).November,122015,11:23a.m.Motion#5:Adoptcommentresolutionsinthecommentdatabaseandchartertheeditortocreate

D1.5byincorporatingthecommentsforreviewbyNovember30,2015

Mover:DaveAbramson Seconder:MatthiasWendt

Yes:41;No:0;Abstain:0

Motionpasses(Technical>=75%).November,122015,11:28a.m.

Motion#6:MovethattheChairholdsacommentcycleonD1.5startingnolaterthanNovember

30,andendingJanuary10,201611:59p.m.AOE,withresolutionspostedbyJanuary13,2016

M:DaveAbramson S:FredSchindler

Yes:42;No:0;Abstain:0

Motionpasses(Technical>=75%).November12,2015,11:30a.m.

TheChairmovedtoliaisonsat11:34a.m.,andnotedtwoliaisonsforthismeeting,assignedtothegroupinSeptember.TheChairreadstheliaisonstothegroupandtakesonthehomeworktodraftaresponsetotheISO/IECletterforreviewinJanuary.ItisdeemedthattheTIALiaisonletterdoesnotneedaresponse.

Motion#7:Movetoadjournthemeeting

Approvedbyvoicevotewithoutopposition(Procedural>50%).November,122015,11:44a.m.

TheMeetingwasadjournedat11:44a.m.,Thursday,November12,2015.


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