The Federal Reserve System Debate in Relation to Ron Paul's Plan

8/2/2019 The Federal Reserve System Debate in Relation to Ron Paul's Plan

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David, you don't seem to understand. Money has been here before the Fed. The Fed. printing

money is part of the problem, but like I said, it is not the ROOT of the problem and taking awaythe Fed. in a time like this is a bad idea. Regardless, this is just one issue that will lead me not to

vote for Ron Paul in the next election. I have posted notes on all of the other reasons on my

Facebook site, since we are obviously not going to see eye to eye on the Federal Reserve System.

By the way, sometimes doctors do leave a tumor in if it has progressed to a point where theoperation could have a very good probability of killing the patient, so even by your example, my

position still holds true.

This paper has worth because we assign worth to it. Gold also has worth because we assignworth to it. You may say that gold has objective worth because it is rare, but this is illogical.

There are many things in existence that are rare, but we do not assign worth to all of them. Now,

gold DOES have practical use (I'm trying to help you out here), but not for most people.

Ryter Michael CorsoStephanie De Ruiter

I wish you were still here, because now I want to discuss that video! lol

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After watching it, I have come to the same conclusion that I stated previously:

As for money, it sucks, but monetary value in itself is the problem, not the Federal

bank. Get to the root of the problem. If Ron Paul was doing THAT then Iwoul...See More

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David Paul

The FED is the reason there is a national debt and tough economy. When my

gov't borrows money from the FED with interest when The Constitution has

already authorized the supply of money via Congress without debt there is your

first clue. ...See More

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David Paul"As for money, it sucks, but monetary value in itself is the problem,

not the Federal bank" .. The FED printing money as you have just stated is the

monetary value problem itself. In 1913 the dollar was worth 1 dollar today it'sworth about 2 cents thanks to the Federal Reserve System.

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Stephanie De Ruiterlol thanks david. i'm on my phone now so i wont give a long

response but i do want to mention that money can be considered evil but at the

same time hard physical wealth/money is liberating. it liberates a communitybecause they can work and gain for themselves. we now work for a worthless

dollar and the liberation that once existed with it is lost

btw david you explained the debt scheme perfectly. thank you

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David PaulThank you. :) Think about it. What people call 'money' if you actually

read what is on the worthless piece of paper. That piece of paper people worshipwhat does it say 'Federal Reserve NOTE'. Now the next question you need to askyourself is, what is a 'NOTE'? From there you can then begin to discern

that...Never mind people need to go and come to their own conclusions...

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Stephanie De Ruiterits ironic tho...money is just an illusion like ron paul points

out. its worthless compared to human life for one and phsyical wealth like gold nd

silver is rare in america today. why? because the federal government basicallymade it obsolete to us citizens. we now work for paper - a promisorary note from

the reserve (a form of debt)


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David PaulBingo Stephanie. You nailed it!

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David, you don't seem to understand. Money has been here before the Fed. This

paper has worth because we assign worth to it. Gold also has worth because we

assign worth to it. You may say that gold has objective worth because it is rare,but this is illogical. There are many things in existence that are rare, but we do not

assign worth to all of them. The Fed. printing money is part of the problem, but

like I said, it is not the ROOT of the problem and taking away the Fed. in a timelike this is a bad idea. Regardless, this is just one issue that will lead me not to

vote for Ron Paul in the next election. I have posted notes on all of the other

reasons on my Facebook site, since we are obviously not going to see eye to eyeon the Federal Reserve System. By the way, sometimes doctors do leave a tumor

in if it has progressed to a point where the operation could have a very good

probability of killing the patient, so even by your example, my position still holds

true.

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Sure. You're going to support someone that will just keep spending. Nice job.

That's a great idea. Ryter "David, you don't seem to understand. Money has beenhere before the Fed." Who are you trying to convince me or you? LOL Yes in

Ancient times the Federal Reserve Central Bankers were called the Money

Changers and were kicked out of Solomons temple...Looks like you're the one

that doesn't understand that since the beginning there have always been people outto control 'money' just like the FED has now control since 1913 and is responsible

for every boom and bust since..."By the way, sometimes doctors do leave a tumor

in if it has progressed to a point where the operation could have a very goodprobability of killing the patient, so even by your example, my position still holds

true." Yes just like the Federal Reserve tumor its almost too late to cut it

out...Wow you're actually getting it! Via the Constitution what does it say interms of 'coining money'? Also what is a Federal Reseve NOTE?

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David PaulNathan Rothschild said (1777-1836): "I care not what puppet is placed

on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain's

money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British moneysupply." So tell me who is Nathan Rothschild Ryter?

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Ryter Michael CorsoYou need a lesson on the Constitution. Read this article, it

might help you better understand the legality of the Fed. as well as why we have

to spend money.

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Ryter Michael CorsoYou can't just stop the wheels from turning. You will bekilling a lot of people that way and Ron Paul won't be one of them.

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David PaulYou obviously have not read the Constitution therefore why would I

read anything you present when you can't even answer my simple questions?

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Senators and Congressmen

"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the internationalmoney lenders. The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been

audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and manipulates the credit of

the United States"Sen. Barry Goldwater (Rep. AR)

"This [Federal Reserve Act] establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When thePresident [Wilson} signs this bill, the invisible government of the monetary

power will be legalized....the worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated bythis banking and currency bill."Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. , 1913

"From now on, depressions will be scientifically created."Congressman

Charles A.

Lindbergh Sr. , 1913

"The financial system has been turned over to the Federal Reserve Board. That
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Board as ministers the finance system by authority of a purely profiteering group.

The system is Private, conducted for the sole purpose of obtaining the greatestpossible profits from the use of other people's money" -- Charles A. Lindbergh

Sr., 1923

"The Federal Reserve bank buys government bonds without one penny..."Congressman

Wright Patman, Congressional Record, Sept 30, 1941

"We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has everknown. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has

impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our

government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyedvultures who control it".Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)

"The Federal Reserve banks are one of the most corrupt institutions the world has

ever seen.

There is not a man within the sound of my voice who does not know that thisnation is run by the

International bankersCongressman Louis T. McFadden (Rep. Pa)

"Some people think the Federal Reserve Banks are the United States government'sinstitutions.


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They are not government institutions. They are private credit monopolies whichprey upon the people of the United States for the benefit of themselves and their

foreign swindlers"Congressional Record 12595-12603Louis T. McFadden,

Chairman of the Committee on Banking and Currency (12 years) June 10, 1932

"I have never seen more Senators express discontent with their jobs....I think the

major cause is that, deep down in our hearts, we have been accomplices in doing

something terrible and unforgivable to our wonderful country. Deep down in ourheart, we know that we have given our children a legacy of bankruptcy. We have

defrauded our country to get ourselves elected."John Danforth (R-Mo)

"These 12 corporations together cover the whole country and monopolize and usefor private

gain every dollar of the public currency..."Mr. Crozier of Cincinnati, before

Senate Banking and Currency Committee - 1913

"The [Federal Reserve Act] as it stands seems to me to open the way to a vastinflation of the

currency... I do not like to think that any law can be passed that will make it

possible to submerge the gold standard in a flood of irredeemable papercurrency."Henry Cabot Lodge Sr., 1913

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Ryter Michael CorsoActually, I have read it

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David PaulNo you haven't otherwise you'd be able to answer my simple question.

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Ryter Michael CorsoYou bring up quotes, it is obvious you form your opinion

based off of others

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David PaulYou can't just stop the wheels from turning. You will be killing a lotof people that way and Ron Paul won't be one of them..that is left wing statist

propaganda

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David PaulHahaha and where do you form your opinions from? I haven't seen

you bring one thing to the tabel except your own misguided reality of history andcentral banking.

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Ryter Michael CorsoThat's because you haven't read any article I have presented

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Ryter Michael Corsololll

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David PaulBecause you don't have any! lol But please go ahead and refute thequotes of these men that clearly don't know as much as you do! LMAO

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Ryter Michael CorsoI already sent you some articles. You can ignore them if youwant to be a hypocrite

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David PaulAnswer the question...Nathan Rothschild said (1777-1836): "I care not

what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who

controls Britain's money supply controls the British Empire and I control theBritish money supply." So tell me who is Nathan Rothschild Ryter?

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Ryter Michael CorsoA banker, founder of Rothschild family banking

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David PaulVivid imagination you have.

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Ryter Michael CorsoGuess what he also did? Helped abolish the slave trade.

Whoops, I guess you forgot to mention that

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David PaulI already sent you some articles. You can ignore them if you want to

be a hypocrite...Oh so you just read someone's opinion and base yours off others?Who is the hypocrite?

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Ryter Michael CorsoI sent you someone's opinion, since you obviously don't

think mine are credible.

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Ryter Michael CorsoFool

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David PaulCarola Hoyas of the Financial Times nevertheless claims to havebroken the story on June 27th that Nathan Mayer Rothschild benefited financially

from slavery.http://www.prisonplanet.com/%E2%80%98exposing%E2%80%99-

slave-practices-of-rothschild-deflects-real-crime.html

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Ryter Michael CorsoIt was speculated, never proven and regardless, he helped

ABOLISH it. What does that say about his character?

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David PaulAh. Ad hominem attacks always resorted to by the ignorant

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Ryter Michael CorsoWhat are you even talking about? Jefferson benefited fromslavery, yet he wanted to abolish it as well. Are you going to ignore these facts?

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David Paul"I care not what puppet is placed on

the throne of England to rule the Empire, ...

The man that controls Britain's moneysupply controls the British Empire.

And I control the money supply." What does this say about his character

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Ryter Michael CorsoActions speak louder than words, buddy

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David PaulWhat about his actions then funding the Nazi's and the allies?

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Ryter Michael CorsoThey SURRENDERED their bank to the Nazi occupation.

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David Paul'It was the best business I have ever done.'

- Nathan Rothschild, on how he manipulated the London Stock Exchange bylying about Napoleon's defeat at Waterloo ... Character you say?

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David Paul"They SURRENDERED their bank to the Nazi occupation." ... wrong

try again.

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Ryter Michael CorsoYou love quotes, but not historical evidence

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David PaulWhat the man said there is your historical evidence...What have you

shown? NOTHING!

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Ryter Michael CorsoThere you go

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Ryter Michael CorsoStop spewing propaganda and do your own research

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David PaulNot even a quote to back up your delusional position

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Ryter Michael CorsoNot just quotes

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David PaulYou haven't even read the Constitution! LOL Start there pal and do

some research yourself because you have clearly done zero! XD

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Ryter Michael CorsoI already read it and many more articles

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Ryter Michael CorsoSadly you cannot even read mine

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David Paul"I already read it and many more articles" ... that is sad! Can't name or

present one...

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David Paul"Buy when the cannons are firing, and sell when the trumpets areblowing" ... What a man of charcter.

Nathan Rothschild

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Ryter Michael Corso

This debate is a lost cause, because you deny the evidence in front of you (I have

given several articles in these online comments) and make up lies based on smallsegments of quotes you have found. I will be copying and pasting all of our
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conversation so I can remember and laugh at your lies and ignorance late. Read

one of my articles and prove me wrong. Please, I want you to read just one andprove to me that this isn't a joke

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Ryter Michael CorsoGoodbye

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David PaulYou have presented nothing. You pal are delusional. Go ahead you

should copy and paste them since you can't do your own research. Fact is youoffer nothing so I will not remember this except when I see minions spout of

ignorantly about subjects they are clueless on...So then yes I will get a bit of a

laugh.

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wow this is great lol. corso i do consider quotes historical facts. and people have

realized the evil influence of central bankers since the beginning. even jeffersonfought against hamilton about it. even abraham lincoln predicted that one day

americans would fall under the manipulation of a central bank.

i have to research the details but did you know that in 1933..? the united states

government went bankrupt (20 years after the fed. was instituted) and 3 years later

every american was given a social security card. the citizens are now collateral tothe central bank - a PRIvATLY owned company (not under the control ofcongress despite what naysayers say) . like david explained it was a ponzi scheme

since the beginning. they collected, bankrupted our country (obtaining all the

wealth) nd began issuing paper. it was ok when it was backed by gold but now its

backed by nothing (gold window closed in 1971. now we have to 'invest' in orderto obtain any gold/silver) and the paper is worth nothing.
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David Paul@Stephanie. In re. to 1933. That is correct. Matter of fact our gov't

has been operating under 'Emergency Powers' to 'manage the bankruptcy' ever

since. You really broke it down very nicely! :)

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David Paul@Ryter. On the 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto. Please tell us

all which # on the list a PRIVATE COMMUNIST CENTRAL BANK falls on?

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David PaulAlso, since I have not read We The People need a PRIVATE

COMMUNIST CENTRAL BANK in the Constitution. Perhaps you can show us

where it states that while you're at it?! :) Thank you in advance...

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Joe StoneVery interesting thread. David and Stephanie have done theirhomework!

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Sadly, I must interject again. Here is an actual study done on inflation and theeconomic struggle in relation to the Fed.
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http://www.federalreserve.gov/pubs/ifdp/2000/676/ifdp676.pdfYou can clearly

read the facts for yourself. On a separate note, communism is not an issue withthe Fed., because it is a government agency which is legal under Amendment 16

in our Constitution. If you would like to argue ratification, then that is a separate

issue entirely. Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states "The Congress shall

have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay theDebts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United

States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United

States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulateCommerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the

Indian Tribes; To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws

on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin Money,regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights

and Measures." Clearly, the Fed. is well within constitutional legality, whether

you like having it or not. Lastly, just to point out how many facts were WRONG,

David, Nathan Mayer Rothschild died in 1836, far before the Nazi regime rose, so

your statement that he funded the Nazi's is completely false. You may have verydifferent opinions than I do, but the facts are here. Let me clarify that the Federal

Reserve System should be taken down at some point, but not now, in such aneconomic struggle and not gradually, yet.

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and just to point out one more time and give you the article AGAIN, theRothschild bank was SEIZED by the Nazis. Very different from any Rothschild

supporting, which they did not. Here is a quote from the article, "But the family's

powerful reputation made them a prime target for the Nazis, who seized theRothschilds' property shortly before the war." Here is the link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/389053.stm It is from the BBC, a trusted

source, not just a statement or quote without facts. I am truly sorry that youcannot see the truth beyond conspiracy theories. In light of this heavy topic, I

have become extremely angry with our very different opinions. I apologize for

any name calling; that is below a mature debate. My opinion still stands based on

the many facts and articles I have presented. I think that everyone involved in thisdiscussion/ argument should read the articles (by clicking on the links provided or

copying and pasting) I have placed, because I have read everything you have

posted. After this, we should probably end the debate on good terms. I haveapologized for becoming upset and any insult I may have written. It is not my

intention to silence any person's "voice" purely due to different political positions.

I am not backing down from ANY of my statements except those that are
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explicitly immature and I do not take offense to anything anyone stated to me

either.

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David, the apology goes mostly out to you, but since you were the one who toldme I didn't present enough articles, here is one more article from the BBC on how

the Fed. tried to help bring us out of the recession and promote job employment

through "pumping" money into the system. This money didn't come from thin air.

The Fed. bought bonds from our Government. I posted a very similar response onanother discussion, so sorry Steph if this seems redundant.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11678022

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baron alfred rothschild the Federal Reserve Act

Joe and David, you don't seem to understand how the Fed. works. It is OWNED by private banks, but it is LEAD by a board ofgovernors appointed by the President and CONFIRMED by the Senate. Check YOUR facts.http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/who_owns_the_federal_reserve_bank.html YOU obviously did not read everything Ihave written, because I specifically said you could argue the amendment's ratification and that it was a separate topic, so stopSKIMMING and actually READ. If you want me to answer a question which proves NOTHING other than your obvious fear that aCAPITALIST society could possibly have any type of Communist similarities, than I will, to make sure you know monsters are realand you need to check under your bed. It is number five in the Communist Manifesto. Too bad that doesn't prove a point. I said thatif Ron Paul had a plan to abolish money then I would vote for him, I never said I had the answer. I also stated that I think the FederalReserve System SHOULD be dismantled, but not now OR in the close future. Quotes don't STATE facts, they merely provide asense of kinsman-ship and similar patterns of thinking. You can spout out ignorant statements all you want, but I have providedMULTIPLE articles which detail not only the Federal Reserve System's policies and l imitations, but ALSO the Rothschild history.Their bank was SEIZED by the Nazi's!!!! If you really think that by "seize" it means the banking house willingly helped the Naziregime, then you are mistaken (no big surprise) READ AN ARTICLE SOMETIME! As for the Constitution, I have given you more

than the 16th Amendment to SUPPORT the Federal Reserve System's existence. Maybe YOU should read the Constitution morecarefully instead of depending on quotes to back up your claims.As for your conspiracies, The FRS is headed by the

Board of Governor a Federal Agency with no mechanism of any sort for anything resemblingprivate ownership.

The concept of ownership comes at the branch level which are organized similar to corporations.Member banks are compelled to subscribe to shares in their local Fed branch. These shares are
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very limited in their power. (For more detail, see [http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-

system])

Regardless of who the share owners are, the law is fairly clear about ownership of shares in a

Fed branch:

Only member banks can own shares

All member banks must be domestic (i.e. a majority of the shares in a member bank must

be owned by Americans)

Regardless of the number of shares a bank owns it has only one vote.

Regardless of the number of branches a bank has, it can only own shares and have it'svote in a single branch.

So involvement and influence in Fed branches is spread over thousands of banks.

And, of course, no bank has any vote within the Board of Governors which oversees the entire

system.

Bottom line: The above list of secret owners has been parrot for decades

by gullible conspiracy theorists who accept it without question. ALSO

Rothschild Bank of London

No such bank exists today.

The Rothschild name is used a lot in international banking conspiracy theories. And there was a

time when the Rothschold family did have signficiant power in world banking.

But times change. Once considered one of the great fortunes of the world, the Rothschild empireis but a shadaw of it's former self.

http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-ownership#toc12

I now realize you can only see what you want to see. Luckily for me, I live in a country where I can choose to ignore people whospew conspiracies out onto Facebook. I DID think I was being childish and apologized, but now I see it is the two of YOU who have

been acting childish from the start. Rubbing someone's face in an apology is no adequate or mature way to behave. I havepresented the facts and answered the questions and I am quite content at leaving this argument here and now. So go ahead and

respond to this is you feel it will make a point, but I am closing my end of the debate, not because you presented any facts, but dueto the incessant babble and obvious skimming you do.

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and just to point out one more time and give you the article AGAIN, the Rothschild bank was

SEIZED by the Nazis. Very different from any Rothschild supporting, which they did not. Here

is a quote from the article, "But the family's powerful reputation made them a prime target forthe Nazis, who seized the Rothschilds' property shortly before the war." Here is the link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/389053.stm It is from the BBC, a trusted source, not just a

statement or quote without facts. I am truly sorry that you cannot see the truth beyond conspiracytheories. In light of this heavy topic, I have become extremely angry with our very different

opinions. I apologize for any name calling; that is below a mature debate. My opinion still stands

based on the many facts and articles I have presented. I think that everyone involved in thisdiscussion/ argument should read the articles (by clicking on the links provided or copying andpasting) I have placed, because I have read everything you have posted. After this, we should

probably end the debate on good terms. I have apologized for becoming upset and any insult I

may have written. It is not my intention to silence any person's "voice" purely due to different

political positions. I am not backing down from ANY of my statements except those that areexplicitly immature and I do not take offense to anything anyone stated to me either.

Justify
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Joe and David, you don't seem to understand how the Fed. works. It is OWNED by private

banks, but it is LEAD by a board of governors appointed by the President and CONFIRMED by

the Senate. Check YOUR facts.http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/who_owns_the_federal_reserve_bank.html YOU

obviously did not read everything I have written, because I specifically said you could argue the

amendment's ratification and that it was a separate topic, so stop SKIMMING and actuallyREAD. If you want me to answer a question which proves NOTHING other than your obvious

fear that a CAPITALIST society could possibly have any type of Communist similarities, than I

will, to make sure you know monsters are real and you need to check under your bed. It isnumber five in the Communist Manifesto. Too bad that doesn't prove a point. I said that if Ron

Paul had a plan to abolish money then I would vote for him, I never said I had the answer. I also

stated that I think the Federal Reserve System SHOULD be dismantled, but not now OR in the

close future. Quotes don't STATE facts, they merely provide a sense of kinsman-ship and similar

patterns of thinking. You can spout out ignorant statements all you want, but I have providedMULTIPLE articles which detail not only the Federal Reserve System's policies and limitations,

but ALSO the Rothschild history. Their bank was SEIZED by the Nazi's!!!! If you really thinkthat by "seize" it means the banking house willingly helped the Nazi regime, then you are

mistaken (no big surprise) READ AN ARTICLE SOMETIME! As for the Constitution, I have

given you more than the 16th Amendment to SUPPORT the Federal Reserve System's existence.Maybe YOU should read the Constitution more carefully instead of depending on quotes to back

up your claims. As for your conspiracies, The FRS is headed by the Board of Governor a

Federal Agency with no mechanism of any sort for anything resembling private ownership.

The concept of ownership comes at the branch level which are organized similar to corporations.

Member banks are compelled to subscribe to shares in their local Fed branch. These shares arevery limited in their power. (For more detail, see [http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-system])

Regardless of who the share owners are, the law is fairly clear about ownership of shares in aFed branch:

Only member banks can own shares
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All member banks must be domestic (i.e. a majority of the shares in a member bank must

be owned by Americans)

Regardless of the number of shares a bank owns it has only one vote.

Regardless of the number of branches a bank has, it can only own shares and have it's

vote in a single branch.

So involvement and influence in Fed branches is spread over thousands of banks.

And, of course, no bank has any vote within the Board of Governors which oversees the entire

system.

Bottom line: The above list of secret owners has been parrot for decades by gullible

conspiracy theorists who accept it without question. ALSO Rothschild Bank of London

No such bank exists today.

The Rothschild name is used a lot in international banking conspiracy theories. And there was atime when the Rothschold family did have signficiant power in world banking.

But times change. Once considered one of the great fortunes of the world, the Rothschild empire

is but a shadaw of it's former self.

http://webskeptic.wikidot.com/federal-reserve-ownership#toc12

I now realize you can only see what you want to see. Luckily for me, I live in a country where I

can choose to ignore people who spew conspiracies out onto Facebook. I DID think I was being

childish and apologized, but now I see it is the two of YOU who have been acting childish fromthe start. Rubbing someone's face in an apology is no adequate or mature way to behave. I have

presented the facts and answered the questions and I am quite content at leaving this argument

here and now. So go ahead and respond to this is you feel it will make a point, but I am closingmy end of the debate, not because you presented any facts, but due to the incessant babble and

obvious skimming you do.

You have cited INDEPENDENT MEDIA and a bunch of Libertarian and right winged sources,

which is funny, because you take their stance. I have cited news articles and the Constitution that

don't necessarily hold my Independent point of view (some do), so if you really think the BBC,factcheck.org and the online version of the Constitution are ALL fictional sources, then I am

definitely done discussing any of these political differences with you, since you clearly don't

acknowledge credible sources. By the way, I have been watching Money, Banking and the


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Federal Reserve, and so far it has said NOTHING that I have tried to dispute. lol Maybe you just

don't understand my opinion, which I have stated multiple times. The Federal Reserve Systemneeds to be dismantled, but not right now nor in the near future. If it was, as Ron Paul's plan

would have killed the Federal Reserve Act and one year later taken down the Fed., then the

economy would crash, people would die and rich politicians like Ron Paul would sit back and

say, "This is what we knew would happen. This is what the American people wanted." Well, Idon't want that. I am not going to push into effect something like Ron Paul's idea without the

right conditions (when America is fully out of the recession). With that, I am going to try to stop

responding to your rabble rousing. Joe, you are funny keeping score, but your opinion matters tome as much as a spider hanging from my ceiling matters to my dog. Good day, gentlemen. Here

are a couple of articles on your precious Ron Paul. See the hypocrisy? Of course you dont.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/ronpaulgold.html

http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/ron-paul/12/environment-and-energy/7/

I just have to point out that these two videos contradict each other. They have holes inthem, just like the arguments I have heard. The video mentions that before Caesar, Rome was

using 'plentiful' money until he changed to gold bearing his image. Yet at about 11 mins into'The Money Masters', he mentions that Julius Caesar was the one who instituted so called

'plentiful money' and wrestled away the control of money from the money changers 'for the

benefit of all'.

Unspent expense money for Representatives are, by law, returned to the general fund.

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