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DaveAsprey: Hey,it'sDaveAspreywithBulletproofRadio.Today'scoolfactofthedayisthatthecoffee

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Themorethere'safungalattackonthecoffeeplant,themorecaffeineitmakes,whichIfindfascinating.ThisisoneofthereasonsthatRobustacoffee.Thestuffthatyougenerallydon'tdrinkhasmorecaffeineisbecauseit'susuallymoldier.Ifyouhaven'theardaboutFreshbooksyet,listenup.Thesefolksareonaseriousmissiontohelpsmallbusinessownersavetimeandavoidalotofthestressthatcomeswithplanningabusiness.

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Freshbooksisoffering30daysofunrestrictedusetoallBulletprooflisteners,totallyfreerightnowandyoudon'tneedacreditcardtosignup.Toclaimyour30dayfreetrial,gotofreshbooks.com/bulletproofandenterbulletproofradiointhehowyouheardaboutussection.BeforeIintroducetoday'sguest,Iwanttoreadyouaquotefromhimbecauseit'sareallypowerfulquoteandsomethingthatreallyleadsintowhatwe'regoingtobetalkingabout.

Hesayswhenfuturehistorianscometowriteaboutourera,they'renotgoingtowriteaboutthetonsofchemicalswedidordidnotapply.Whenitcomestoglyphosate,they'regoingtowriteaboutourwillingnesstosacrificeourchildrenandtojeopardizeourvery


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existencebyriskingthesustainabilityofouragriculture.Allbaseduponfailedpromisesandflawedscience.

Nowthat'sapowerfulquoteanditcomesfromapowerfulguyaswell.IaminterviewingtodayDr.DonHuberwho'saprofessoremeritusofplantpathologyatPurdueUniversity.He'saretiredcolonelwith41yearsofmilitaryservicewherehestudiedman-madeinbiologicalthreats.HeservesastheAPScoordinatorfortheemergentdiseaseandpathogenscommitteeaspartoftheUSDAandhasspentoverhalfadecadelookingatplantdiseasesfocusingonsoil-borneproblems,microbialecologyandhost-parasiterelationships.

He'saleadingvoiceintheanti-GMOandanti-roundupmovementandacrusaderforupgradingourfoodinallways.Dr.Huber,welcometotheshow.

DonHuber: Thanks,Dave.It'sanhonortobeonwithyou.

DaveAsprey: Allright.I'mjustgoingtogothere.Howareyouabletobealeadingvoiceofanti-GMOandanti-glyphosateandholdapositionatamajoruniversity.Itseemslikeit'shardtodothatthesedays.

DonHuber: Well,I'mretired,thatmakesabigdifference.

DaveAsprey: Gotit.

DonHuber: Ayoungprofessorwouldhaveextremedifficultyinsurvivingintheenvironmentaswefinditintheacademiatoday.

DaveAsprey: Thefactthattheycan'tfireyougivesyouthepowertospeakthetruth.

DonHuber: Right.Atleastit'samajorincentive.NowI'vebeensharingmyresearchonglyphosateandtheGMOcropsforprobably15yearsbeforeIretired.Itwasn'tuntilmylettertoSecretaryofAG,Vilsackwasleakedtothepublic,itwasveryconfidentialletterthatIwrotewhenIwaschairmanoftheUSDANPDRScommitteeastheAPSrepresentativeinthatpositionandIwassayingsomethingsthatwerepresentingsomeveryseriouspotentialconsequencesforusasfarasthreatstoouragriculture.

Otherswereseeingthemawholesole,they'reseeingthemindifferentareas.Ifeltcompelledtowritethatletter.Iguessinsomerespectswouldapologizeforthelanguagethatitwaswrittenin,becauseitwaswrittentoapoliticianwiththeanticipationthatthatletterwouldbeshippedovertotheriskmanagementpeopleandthenIwouldbeabletosharethedetailsandtheseriousnessoftheconcern.

Oncethatletterwasleakedtothepublic,itwentviralandthatprovidedtheopportunitythenformetobealittlemoreopeninsharing.IfeltobligatedtowriteasecondopenlettertothepublictoexplainwhyIhadwrittenthefirstonetothesecretaryandeverythinghasjustexpandedfromthatpoint.


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DaveAsprey: Doweknowwholeakedtheletter?

DonHuber: Wedon't.SomeofmycolleaguesinUSDAthinkitwasprobablysomeoneononeofthe

commodityboardsthatwereallydon'thaveanygoodideaofwholeakedit.

DaveAsprey: Whatwasthecontentforpeoplelisteningwhohaven'tseenit,whatdoesthelettersay?

DonHuber: ThatwasaletteralertingthesecretarytoconcernsthatwehadasfarasthederegulationofRoundupReadyalfalfa.Ifwhathappenstoalfalfafollowswhathappentoderegulationofroundupreadycorn.Thenwecouldveryeasilyloseourfourthmosteconomiccrop,ournumberoneforagecropinthecountrytoaplantdiseasethatweconsiderratherinnocuousbecausewehaveveryexcellentresistance,geneticresistancetothatdisease.

Theproblemiswhenyouapplyrounduptoit,aswefindwithsomeofourroundupreadycropsthatthenthatdiseasebecomesveryintensebecausetheroundupwillnullifythegeneticresistance.Incornforinstancein2012,welost1billionbushelofcorntoadiseasethatweconsideredaverywimpydiseaseofnosignificanteconomicconsequencesthroughoutthecornbelt,andthat'sGoss'sWilt.

DaveAsprey: ThatwasBwithabillionyoujustsaid,right?

DonHuber: Right.

DaveAsprey: Couldweturnthatintoethanolorwasitnotevenusefulforthatsotheydon'teatit?

DonHuber: That'slostproduction.

DaveAsprey: GoodGod.Ithinkofthehabitatdestructionthathappenedtomakeallofthat.There'snoanimalslivingthere,there'snograsses,there'sjustnothingbutplowedbasicallysterilizedsoilwithnofoodtoshowforit.

DonHuber: Thatdiseasehascontinuedtospread30yearsago.Itwaslimitedtosixorsevencounties,EasternNebraskaandWesternIowa,it'snowanywhereinNorthAmericaandanywhereintheworld.Wehaveshippedcontaminatedseed.Thatdiseasehastakenoverbecausewe'veincreasedthevirulenceandwe'vereducedtheresistanceofthecrop.There'sasistertothatsamebacteriumthatattacksalfalfa,andwe'reonlyabletogrowalfalfaeconomicallyatleastbecausewehavegeneticresistancetothatparticulardisease.

IfglyphosateapplicationsdothesamethingtoalfalfainnullifyingthatgeneticresistancelikeitdoesincorntoGoss'sWilt,thenthatcropisinseriousjeopardy,andouragriculturaleconomicsfromananimalproductionstandpointcouldbeverysevere.Iaskedthesecretarytheninthatlettertodotheresearchbeforethederegulationbecausenoonehadlookedatit,noonehadevenconsideredthataspectbutthatwasinthepositionthatIwasin,thatwasaresponsibilitythatIhad,wastonotifythesecretaryandotherpeopleandthatwasthepurposeoftheletter.


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Knowingthathepersonallywouldn'tbeaddressingthat,butcertainlyriskmanagement

andotherpeoplewouldbeinvolvedinrespondtoitwiththeappropriatescientificresearchthenandstudiesthatwouldgiveusthatassurancethatthemovesthatwetookwouldbeinthebestinterestofagriculture.

DaveAsprey: Youalsoremovedplausibledeniability.

DonHuber: I'mnotsurewhatplausibledeniabilityinfersinthat.

DaveAsprey: Ifyou'reinapoliticalpositionorinanyposition,andyoudon'tknowaboutaproblemandyoudidn'tsolvetheproblem.Youhaveonesetofresponsibility.Ifyou'reinapositionandyouwerenotifiedofaproblemandyoudidn'ttakeactiononit,youhaveanother,aswesaymovesthebarupforwhatyourappropriateandlegalbehaviorshouldbe.

I'mnotlookingtosuggestthatthere'sanythingnefariousthere,I'mjustsayingthataletterlikethathasalotofpowerbecausenowyouknowthere'saproblem,youareduty-boundtoexaminetheproblemwhereasbefore,itmightbeaproblem,itmightnotbutIdidn'thaveanexperttoreallypointitout,soIdidn'tthinkitmattered.

DonHuber: Thatwasaseriousconcernforme.Therewerefourpointsinthatletterbutthatwasamajorone,I'maskingthesecretarytodelayderegulationbeforewehadtheresearchtoconfirmthatthatwasinthebestinterestofouragriculturalproduction.

DaveAsprey: You'resittinginthispositionwhereyourealizethatwehaveamajorthreattoourfoodsecurityandonethatstillmaycometopassandthatwedon'thaveappropriateoversight,basicallycompaniesaregoingtosellwhatthey'regoingtosellbecausethey'regoingtomakemoneyonit.Mostofthemdoesn'thaveaverygoodtrackrecordofwatchingoutforanyonebuttheirowninterest.Ithinkthat'sprettywellestablishedatthispoint.

Therearetwodifferentissuesthatcometogetherhere.OneisyousaidGMOsarethebiggestscientificfraudsincethePiltdownManwhichisamajoraccusationandthenyouhaveanotherthing,glyphosatesaltisbadforsoilandbadforpeople,andthey'reseparateissuesbecauseyoucanuseglyphosatewithoutGMOs,andyoucanuseGMOswithoutroundup.

Let'stalkfirstaboutglyphosateandroundupandthenlet'stalkaboutGMOswithorwithoutglyphosatebecauseIwanttounderstand,givenyourverydeepexperienceinthefieldwhyyoufeelthatwayaboutGMOsapartfromglyphosate.Whatisglyphosateforpeoplelisteningwhodon'tunderstanditverywell,whatareitsmechanismsofactionsandwhyshouldwepayattentiontoit,whydoesitmatter?

DonHuber: Glyphosateisaveryuniquechemical.ItwasinventedbyJimChanginSanFranciscowhenforStaufferChemicalcompany,theyhadthepatentonitandtheypatenteditin1964asaverystrongmineralstrongmineralchelator.Achelatorisacompoundthatcangrabontoanotherelement,changeitsphysicalcharacteristicswithoutbecomingapartofthat


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element.It'sachelator,weusechelatorsquiteabitinagricultureandinotherareastoincreasesolubilityofchemicals.

Weusethemtomovemineralsandchemicalsacrosstheplantmemory.Inthecaseofallofourherbicides,allofourweedkillersareallmineralchelatorsthatwillimmobilizeaparticularnutrient.Nowmostofthemfairlyspecificwithglyphosateandalsoglufosinate,libertywouldbeacommonnameforglufosinate,they'resistercompounds.AllunderthepatentoftheJimChanghadaschelatorsorminerals.

Theyimmobilizethosemineralssothey'renolongeravailablelandforthephysiologicalfunctionsthattheyregulateintheplant.It'sourminerals,manganese,copper,iron,zinc,thosemineralsthatmakeourenzymeswork.Ifyouwanttoshutdownanenzymesystem,youmerrilyimmobilizethatmineralthatistheco-factororthecatalystandregulatorofthatparticularfunction.

I'velikenedthistohavinga200horsepowerengineinyourcar,itcangetyouupto60milesanhourinahurry,youcando,travellongdistancewithit,butitdoesn'tdoanythinguntilyouturnthekeyon.Whatthesemineralsdoespeciallyourmicro-nutrientsisthatthey'rethekeyandwiththeherbicidewithsomethinglikeglyphosateoranyofourherbicides.

Theypullthekeyoutoftheignition,inotherwords,theymakethatmineralsolid,itcannolongerfitintheslotthatwouldactivatethatenzyme.Youhavethispowerfulenginethat'sjustapieceofsteeloutthereoraluminumorwhatnot.Untilyouturnthekeyon.Toshutdownthosephysiologicsystems,weusechelatorsthatimmobilizethoseenzymesandturnthesystemoff.Glyphosateisuniqueandit'saverybroadspectrumchelator.

Itimmobilizesiron,copper,zinc,manganese,cobalt,nickel,anyoftheions,calciumandmagnesium.Mostofourresidesarefairlynarrowspectrumchelators.WhenJimChangpatentedglyphosateasachelatorin1964itwasprimarilyusedtocleanboiler,becauseitwassuchastrongchelatorespeciallyforcalciumandmagnesiumandironthatyougetscalebuiltupfrom.

10yearslater,Monsatorealizedwellthisseemsaverybroadspectrumpowerfulchelatorthatshutsdownplantsystems,andtheypatentitasanherbicidesothatit'saverybroadspectrumherbicide,essentiallykilledeverything.That'swherethegeneticengineeringcomesinbecausetheyengineeredaplantthatcouldtoleratetheglyphosatehasabacterialgene,thatisn'tsensitivetoglyphosateoritrequiresadifferentmineralelementthatisn'tchelatedortotallyimmobilizedbyglyphosate.

Itkeepsfunctioningsoyoucannowapplyglyphosatedirectlytothoseplantsthatareprotectedbecauseofthebacterialgenesthathavebeenputin.Thewholeprogramtherewithglyphosateisthatithasmulti-functions.It'saveryuniquecompoundagain.In2000,theypatentedasabroadspectrumantibiotic.Thisantibioticisbeingappliedindiscriminatelyinoursociety,inourenvironment,essentiallyatthetuneofabout300millionpoundsayear.


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Wherewe'reconcernedaboutantibioticresistanceofthetetracyclineorpenicillinand

thosearealltargetedapplicationsnotgeneralapplicationslikewe'reusingglyphosateandweonlyuse29millionpounds.Togetexcitedaboutantibioticresistance,thefirstthingweshouldbeaddressingisglyphosate,verybroadspectrumpowerfulantibiotic.

Theotherthingisthatglyphosateis,youmightsayafalseaminoacid.Aminoacidsarethebuildingblocksforourproteins.Forpeptidesandproteinsandthosenitrogenmaterialsthatwerelyonforenzymesandotherfunctions,thattheglyphosateasaglycineaminoacidanalog.Alsohastheabilitytodisruptactuallythestructuralcompositionbyreplacingthenormalaminoacidwiththesyntheticaminoacidtodisruptthephysiologicalfunctionsinanimalsaswellasinplant.

DaveAsprey: PeoplewhoarelongtimelistenerstoBulletproofRadioknowthatI'mahugefanofcollagen.Imanufactureagrass-fedcollagenpeptide,andoneofthebigreasonsIusecollagenisbecauseit'sfullofglycineaminoacid,andthatisthenaturalaminoacid.Ididnotknowuntilyoujusttoldmethoughthatroundupcouldactasbasicallysyntheticglycine,youbuildbrokencollagenconnectivetissueinyourbodyifyou'reexposedtorounduporatleastyoucoulddothat.

DonHuber: Yes.Itwoulddisruptthatstructureorcompositionofthecollagen,andnotonlythat,it'sprobablygoingtohaveanevengreatereffectasachelatorforthoseenzymesthatgiveyoutheopportunitytobuildthatcollagentostartwith,butthenyouwouldhaveafalsecollagenoradefectivecollageninthatsystemwhereyouhaveglyphosatepresent.Youmentionedthecollagenandbones,that'soneoftheareaswhereglyphosateaccumulatesinthebody.

DaveAsprey: Wow.Thisistotallynewstome.I'vereadquitealotabouttheresearchonthis,butIdidn'tunderstandthat.Ifyoulookattheotherplaceswherecollagenisimportant,stretchmarks.Youwanttofixstretchmarks.Here'sthedeal,havingorganicagriculturemightbeagoodideaifyoudon'twantbadbones,andbadstretchmarks.

Idon'thaveastudythatsaysitcausesstretchmarks,butIcantellyouifyouhavedefectivecollagenthere'sagoodchancethatyourskinisn'tgoingtobeverystretchyandyou'llgetstretchmarks.Whathappensthenifwetakethisantibioticthatweliketocallanherbicideeventhoughitkillsmorebacteriathanplantsprobably.Infact,weknowthatitdoesthat.Whatdoesthatdotothebacteriainourgut?

DonHuber: Extremelydamaging.Becauseit'sanantibiotic.Againstthegoodguys,notthebadguys.Youendupwithwhatwecalldysbiosisintheguy,adisruptedbalancebuttheorganismsthatareverysensitivetoglyphosatearetheonesthatmanufacturealotofourneurocompounds,melatonin,serotoninbecausetheyallcomefromTryptophanorTyrosineorPhenylalanine,mostoftheaminoacidsthatwecan'tproduceourselves.

Werelyonourgutmicrobestoproduceorsynthesizethosecompoundsandthenmakethemavailableforusasnutrientsupplement,sothatwhenyoutakethoseorganismsout


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whichglyphosatedoes,thenyoudeprivethebodyofthatneurologicalfunction.Youdeprivethat'salsoabasisforourimmunefunction.Youhaveyourcystineaspartofyourglutathione.Youhaveglycine,partofyourglutathionemolecule,andyourglutamine.

Thosethreewillmakeupyourimmunesystem.Yourglutathioneistherightpowerfulantioxidant.Youdeprivethebodythenofsomegreatcriticalelements.Asaconsequence,thenthoseorganismsinthegutareinsensitivetoglyphosatetakeover.Wedon'thaveanyroidsofnature.That'llbesomethingthat'llcomeinandfillthatvoidveryquickly.Theonesthatfillthevoidaretheclostridialspecies,youre.coli,yourdysteria,yoursalmonellabecausetheyhaveanalternatetypeofmetabolismthatisn'tshutdownbyglyphosate.

They'reabletotakeover.Weseeahugeincreaseindifficilediarrheaforinstanceareinchronicfatiguesyndromewhichisclostridiumbotulinum.Youseetheleakygutfromclostridiumperfringens.Allofthesearejustthemanifestationofthepowerofglyphosateineliminatingallofthosenaturalbarriersandnaturalbiologicalcontrolsthatweusedtohavebuiltintooursystemthatarenowtakenoutbecauseofthisantibioticactivityofthisherbicide.

DaveAsprey: IfsomeonelisteningtoBulletproofradiorightnow,wantstogooutandeatapieceoftoastmadewithgrainthatwasdesiccatedwithroundup,theysprayedrounduponitrightbeforeharvestandaballofyogurt,what'sgoingtohappenintheirgut?

DonHuber: They'regoingtoendupwithafairamountofglyphosatebecausewhenglyphosatesuppliedtothatgrainasadesiccantoraharvestaid,atthattime,theonlyplacethatthiswatersolublesystemicchemicalcangoisrightintothegrain.That'swhereitaccumulates.Itaccumulatesinthosegrowthpoint,betheroottips,andshoottipsandthereproductivestructures.

Atthatpoint,theonlystructurethatisgoingtoreceivetheglyphosateisgoingtobethereproductivestructure.That'sthegrainthatgoesintoyourcereal,yourcorn,yoursoybeanoil.Allofthosethingsthenaccumulateglyphosate.

DaveAsprey: IsthatgoingtobeenoughglyphosatetodisruptalltheLactobacillifromtheyogurt?

DonHuber: Ittakeslessthana10thofapartpermilliontobetoxictoLactobacilliandBifidobacteriaandthoseotherbeneficialmicroorganismsinourgut.YetEPAsaysit'sfinetohave30partspermillioningrainupto400partspermillioninsomefoodproducts.Nowahalfapartpermillionwilldisrupttheendocrinehormonesystemdirectly.

Partofthatbychelation,partofitmaybefromglycine,thisartificialglycineimpactsubstitutionandothersjustbecauseoftheoverwhelmingeffectofthisveryuniquechemicalanditsbroadspectrumactivityagainsteverythingthatlives.

DaveAsprey: Doyouthinkthattherewilleverbeexecutivesfromthecompanieswhomakethisstuff,whohaveseenthoseresearch,aretheygoingtobeheldresponsibleforcrimesagainsthumanity,that'saseriousquestion?Notmeanttobe.Whatyousaid,they'resoimpactful.


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Hundredsoftimesmorethanweknowbreaksus.

DonHuber: Well,therearelawsuitsgoingonnowfornon-Hodgkin'sleukemiahasbeenquitewellestablishedscientifically.Parkinson'sdiseaseisanotheronethat'sbeenwellestablished.Partoftheproblemisthattheresearchthatshouldhavebeendone35yearsagoonsafetyhasneverbeendone.YoulookatthesafetyteststhatweresubmittedtotheEPA.

Youfindevenasrecentlyas2014andastudythatwassubmitted.Thecontrolratshad118partspermillionglyphosateintheirfeed,theyalsowereloadedwithGMOproteins,andyetthetestwastoestablishthesafetyofGMOsandtheherbicidalchemicals.Ofcoursetheendproductofthatwasthey'resubstantiallyequivalentbecausewasn'titlargedifferencesbetweenthetwogroupsofanimals.

Well,thetwogroupsofanimalfromthescientificstandpointwerefedthesamething.Thereshouldn'thavebeenscientificdifference,butSteveDrukerinhisbookAlteredGenes,TwistedTruthhasdocumentedthatthisisprobablythegreatestscientificfraudwe'veeverhadsincetheNeanderthalman.

DaveAsprey: Wow.It'sprofoundstuffandit'sreallydisturbingthatthisisstillgoingon.OneofthethingsthatIwroteaboutintheBulletproofdietisthatwhenyouuseglyphosate,itincreasesnaturaltoxinproduction.Ispentalotoftimelookingatmicrotoxins,becausetheyinhibitmitochondrialfunctioninhumans,amongstmanyotherthingslinkedtocancerandall.Canyoutalkaboutwhatglyphosatedoestothenaturalproductionofbacterialtoxinsandmicrotoxinsinsoilandincrops?

DonHuber: Well,againasaverypowerfulantibiotic.Firstthingitdoesiseliminateyournaturalbiologicalcontrols.AlotoforganismsintheenvironmentthatwouldsuppressourtoxinformingfungiespeciallyyourFusariumandAspergillus,thetwoofthebigones.Therearenumberofothersthatfitintherebutcertainlywhenyouremovethosenaturalcontrolsandthenprovideanenvironmentphysiologicallyforthoseorganismstoflourish,you'llseethetoxinproductiongreatlyincrease.

Whenwe'velookedattheFusariumtoxinsforinstance,incornandwheatandbarley,thatweusedtoalwayslookfor.TheT1typetoxins.BecauseintheNorthAmericanenvironment,wedidn'thaveanenvironmentthatwasconducivefortheT2toxinsthatwereusedinCambodiaagainsttheamongpeopleattheyellowraintypetoxin.

Wecouldtracethesourceofthosetoxinsbacktoregionswhichhadtheenvironmentwheretheycouldbeproducedandsomadeiteasytodistinguishbetweenthetwotoxins.Nowwiththeextensiveuseofglyphosine,wefindadramaticincreaseinT2toxinproduction.Notonlythat,incerealgrainsandsmallgrains,wheatandbarleyforinstance,thatweusedtoonlyseethetoxinreallyproducedinthegrain.

Wedidn'tseeitintherootsystemeventhoughwehadextensiverootcolonization.IfyoulookatAndreasTidemanresearch.HereportedatthenationalFusariumheadblightconferencecoupleyearsago.Hesaidit'snotsafetoevenuseastraworstubblefor


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beddingnow,forourpigsandcattlebecausethosetoxinsareproducedintherootsandtrans-locatedup.Itmeansthatyoucanhaveveryhealthylookinggrainthatwillhavehighconcentrationsofthemycotoxinsinthem.

Thenifyouusethestraw,thatyoucanendupwithinfertilitybecauseitisestrogenictypecompoundandyouseealloftheotherconsequencesthataverysimplemoleculecanchange.

DaveAsprey: Whatwedidiswespraytheantibioticonthesoil,weremovedhealthysoilbacteriathatallowedthehostilesoilfungustogrowoutofbalanceandtocolonizepartsoftheplants.Nowverypotentfakeestrogens,Xenoestrogenslikeareforminginourcrops.Thecroplookshealthybutit'sfulloftoxinsandthenyoueatit.Whataretheeffectsthathappenfrombotheatingroundupitselfaswellasthesesecondarynaturemadetoxinsinresponsetothis?Whathappensinthehumanbodywhenweconsumeallthesestuff?

DonHuber: Wellyouhaveboththetoxicproblemandyouhavetheglyphosateproblems.Youhavetoverypotenttoxins,thetoxinsofcourse,alotofitfusariumtoxinsareneurotoxins,antibiotictoxins,youhavemusculartypesofinteractionsthere.

DaveAsprey: Proteinsynthesisinhibitors.

DonHuber: Thenyoulookatthebroadspectrumdamagethattheglyphosatemoleculeitselfdoes,andsomeofthoseareapartsperbillion.Dr.NancySwansonforinstancesaidinSeattleandAndrewLoohadapublicationoutlastyear.TheytooktheCDCdatafor22diseases.Thesearediseasesthatwerereachingpandemicproportions.Wehaven'tusedthattermforthem,butalotofourGItractdiseasesthatwe'vealreadymentioned.

Youhavealotoftheothertypesofdisease,theneurological,Alzheimer's,youhavediabetes,youhavetheincreaseincancersandallofthosetypesofdiseases,buttohave22andtheyplottedagainsttheUSDAdatathenfortheuseofGMOcropsandglyphosate.Youseethatit'sthesameepidemiologicalcurvethatfitsall22ofthosediseases,andthereareactuallyanother10thatyoucanplotagainstthatcurve.Nowyoucansaycorrelationisn'tcausationbutIcanguaranteeyouthatwhenyousee22diseasesthatfitthesamecurve,it'snotcoincidence.

DaveAsprey: Correlationisgreatevidencealthoughit'snotcausation.

DonHuber: WeshouldhaveandthatwasoneoftheresponsibilitiesthatwehadwiththeUSDANPDRSprogramwaswhenwewouldseethatkindofananomalyfromahistoricalstandpointorseethatincreaseindisease.Wewouldassembleascientificpanelthentoinvestigate.Oneofthethingsthatwehaven'tdonewiththosediseasesisaddressthequestion,well,isitcausationorisitcorrelation?

Nobodywantstolookapparently.Welookforallotherexcuses,youlookattheZikavirusandallofthosethingsasanexcuseformicrocephaly,well,allyouhavetodoisgouptoYakima,Washington.Youcanseeexactlywhatglyphosatedoeswhenyouputitinthree


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riversthatgothroughColumbiabasinthroughtheYakimaarea,andBenjaminCountyandHamiltonCounty.

LookattheepidemictheyhavenowofAnencephalywherethebaby'sbraindoesn'tdevelopfullyandthey'reusuallybornstill-bornbutiftheylive,it'susually24to48hoursthatyougetaholdofyourchild.Majorepidemic.Veryclearassociationofwhentheystarteddumpingglyphosateherbicideandtothosethreeriversforinvasivewheatcontrol.

EPAsaysthat'sfine,that'sokay.Medicalpersonnelaretoldnottotalkaboutthisbecauseoftheprivacyofthoseindividuals.Theepidemiccontinuestotakeaconsequence,atragicconsequenceonthosefamilies.

DaveAsprey: Myfirstbookwasaboutfertility,mywifeisinfertilewhenImetherandwerestoredherfertilityandoneofthechaptersinthereisenvironment.You'vegottohaveverycleanwater.Itmatters,includingwhatyoushowerin.Itshouldn'tmatterthatmuchbecauseyoushouldn'tbeabletoassumethatthosethingsarethere,especiallyNorthAmerica.It'sjustnothowitworksanymore.

DonHuber: Weusedtosayifyou'rereallyfertile,maybeyoushouldchangewaterornotdrinksomuchofthatwater.Nowthat'snotthecase,nowwefindtheglyphosateinthewater.Againitdisruptstheendocrinehormonesystems,sothat'syourfertility.Aswellasalotofothersystems,yourthyroidandeverythingelsecomingthereatverylowlevels.That'sahalfapartpermillionandyoulookattheamountofglyphosatethatandafewsamplesthathadbeenrunoninpeople'surineasanindicationofhowmuchthey'reconsumingintheirfood.

You'llseethatit'smanytimesover28toasmuchas400timeshigherthanthescientificstudyshowwilldisrupttheendocrinehormonesystem.Actuallyfardisruptionoftheendocrinehormonesystem,anyamountistoxic.Itdependsonthedamageit'sdone,itdependsonthedevelopmentalstagethatanindividualisinorafetusisin.Anycontent,itshouldbezerofromendocrinehormonefunctionrelationship.

DaveAsprey: That'sdisturbing.Forpeoplelisteningwhoarethinkingofhavingfamilies,it'sparticularlyimportantandIdon'tsaynotjustforthewoman.Ifyouwanttohavehealthyswimmers,asweliketocallthemasaguy.Ifyou'redisruptingyourownendocrinesystem,you'regettingalotofthesexenoestrogensthatyou'rebasicallyruiningyourownfertility.

Bothpartieswhowanttohavesuccessfulkids,needtogetroundupoutoftheirdiet,andtheyalsoshouldgetGMOsoutoftheirdiet.CouldyoutalkalittlebitaboutwhatGMOsmightdotoourowngenes?

DonHuber: Well,GMO,geneticengineeringisbasedonflabscience,it'sfossilsciencethatserveduswellinourearlyunderstandingofgeneticsanddailyingeneticandthatfortraditionalbreeding.Itwasafunctionalrelationshipthatfitintowhatwewereseeing.Weabandonedthatconceptofonegene,onefunctionabout50yearsago.


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Geneticengineeringstillbasedonit.That'sitswholepremiseisthatwe'lltakethisonegeneorlittlesectionofgeneticmaterial,insertit,we'renotgoingtodoanythingtotherestofthegenetics,butwhenyoudothat,youdisrupttheintegrityofthewholesystembecauseourcurrentconceptandthiscameaboutasaresultofsequencingthehumangenomeisthatit'saspatialrelationship.

Eachgeneisinaspatialrelationshipwithalloftheothergeneticmaterialandthatentirechromosome,notonlythechromosomebuttheentirenucleusandit'sinathreedimensionalrelationship.It'snotinaflatrelationship.It'snotinaflatrelationship.Atwodimensionallikewetypicallypictureit.It'sinathreedimensionalrelationship.

Youendupwithalotoftagsstickingoutorthatballofyarnifyouwanttolookatitinthatrespect.Thosegenesdisruptthenaspatialrelationshipbetweengenesandthatspatialrelationshipisalsoinfluencedbytheenvironmentsothatifthatwasn'tthecaseinthedevelopmentofanindividualwhetherit'saplantoramicroorganismorananimal.

Thatinthedevelopment,everythingwouldjustbeaonebiglumpofcallus,andthat'swhatweseeinapetridishuntilwechangetheenvironmentandthenwestartgettingdifferentiation.Youreconstructaplantinthatprocessandgenericengineeringfromasinglecell.Asyoureconstructit,you'llstartoutwithabunchofcallusandthenyoumodifytheenvironment.

Youhavethesamegeneticstherebutyoumodifytheenvironmentandyougetsomeleavescominguporyougetsomerootsbeingproducedandmodifyitalittlemoresothatyoucangetsometilleringandsomeothercomponent.It'sthesamegenetics,butitsetsspatialrelationshipbetweenthegenesasitsinfluencedbytheenvironment.

Well,ingeneticengineering,you'rethrowingin,forcinginmaterialthatthenchangesthespatialrelationship,forthatwholeseriesofentitiesofregulatoryanddictatorialtypeofsystem,andatthesametimeyou'realsoaddingadditionalgeneticmaterialfromviruses,topromoteyourtraitcharacteristictogetittobeexpressedinthenewindividual.

You'readdingantibioticmarkergenessothatwecanseethemdirectly,andknowwhichoneshadbeentransformed,whichoneshaven't.It'satremendousdisruption.Thosegenesthenareverypromiscuousbecausethey'renotestablishedandasacomponentthere,they'reanoutsiderthat'scomein,andit'slikeifyouwanttogotoChicagoandestablishagang,you'regoingtohavealotofmaterials,you'regoingtohavetoovercomeandothergangmembers.

Whereaswe'renotlookingataganghere,butit'sthatsameprincipleofthedisruptionofthegeneticintegritythenbecausethesematerialsdon'tbecomeincorporatedasafullcomponentofthegeneticsystem.Whenweeatthatmaterialin,themicroorganismsinourgutcanpickupthosegenesbecausethey'repromiscuous,theycanbespreadinpollentootherplants.

Theycanbepickedupbysoilmicroorganismsandthen10yearslater,asthosebacteria


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wouldbedecomposingcornstubbleforinstanceorcornrootsthathadbeengeneticallyengineered,thosesoilmicroorganisms,someofthemthesameorganismsthatweuseforgeneticengineeringfortransferringthematerialinarealsosoilorganisms.

Theycanthenre-engineerplants10or12yearslaterthatwouldproducethewholesamepotenttoxinsthatwemaybeveryconcernedaboutaswearewiththestarling,cornproducedaverytoxicproteinasfarasanimalconsumption.Nowwehavefieldsthatwecan'trowcornforexportbecauseofthepotentialwheniftheyhavegrownastarlinkcornoroneofthosehybrids15yearsagobeforewepulleditoffthemarket.

Thattheycanstillre-engineerthencornandtheconcernfromseveralcountriesisthatwedon'twantanyofitunlessit'scertifiedthatithasn'tbeengrownonanyoneofthosefieldsthatgrewthatparticularvarietyofhybrid.

DaveAsprey: Mostpeoplelivingincitieswhodon'tworkinagriculture,haven'trunfarms,havenoideathatthat'spossible.Youplantsomething,geneticallymodifythatmakesanyoneofvarietyoftoxinsthatwecauseittomake,youburnthefielddownand10yearslater,youmightbegoingadifferentseedfromthesamegeneralfamily.Thesoilbacteriareintroducethosegenes.

DonHuber: Youcanseenotjustfromthesoilorganismsbutwhenyoueatthatgeneticallymodifiedcornorsweetcornorcanolaorwhatnot.Thenyoualsocanpickupthosegenes,youmaydoitthroughyourmicroorganismsbutinthestudyin[Shefieldtownship00:45:57]Quebecherejustafewyearsago,foundthat93%ofthewomenworking,carryingthegeneticallyengineeredproteinsintheirblood.70%passeditacrossthepercentilebarriertothedevelopingchildinthewomb.

DaveAsprey: Wehavenoideawhatthosespecificsthingsdo.

DonHuber: We'venevertestedanyofthosetoxins,anyofthoseproteinsforsafety.We'vetestedtheproteinasit'sproducedbythebacteria.We'venevertestedtheproteinasproducedinthegeneticengineeringscenario.

DaveAsprey: Wow.Thisisconcerning.Mybackgroundiscomputerhacking,computersecuritymanagingcomplexsystemsandthosesystemsarenowherenearascomplexasthefoodweb.Lookingatthingslikethatisreallyscary.Areyouconcernedoverthenext100yearsaboutaglobalpopulationboom?

DonHuber: I'mnotconcernedaboutaboom.I'mconcernedaboutsurvival.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Metoo.

DonHuber: Ifyoulookatthereportlastyear,we'vehada30%dropinfertility,justinthelastfiveyears.It'shardtohaveafamilyanymore.Somepeoplesayitwasgreatforteenagers,butI'mtellingyouit'sprettytoughonsurvivalandin2002,thesituationhadreachedapointthattheheadoftheUnitedStockGrowersAssociationgavetestimonytothesenateag


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Thattherearetwocontagionsthatwerethreateningsurvivaloftheanimalindustryinthiscountry.Oneofthemhasprematureaging.Youtakeananimaltomarketandyoudon'tgetpaidfortheeffortandpridethatyouhadinraisingthatanimalbecauseaprimebeefnowlookslikeit'sacold12yearoldcowcomingoutofcoldoutofadairy.

Thesecondthingwasreproductivefailurewithanywherefrom40to50%pregnancyloss.Thenthat'sontopofa30to40%infertilityratetostartwith.Thatareaisverycrucial.It'sincattle,pigs,horses,sheep,eveninpoultry,we'refindingitdifficultforreproduction,thesamethinginhumans.

WeseefertilitydropandhadanursethatworksatoneofthefertilityclinicsinCaliforniaforinvitrofertilizationsaidit'sdifficulttoevenflyinspermandeggsthatareviableenoughtoevengothroughthatverydelicateproceduretotryandhaveafamily.

DaveAsprey: Mywifeisa[inaudible00:49:21]trainedphysicianandshedoesfertilitycoachingonlinenowwithpeoplearoundtheplanet.Astandardpartofhelpingpeoplegetpregnant,youstartmonthsbeforeyouwanttogetpregnant,youdon'teatGMOs,youdon'teatglyphosate,youeliminatethatsystematicallyfromyourhouse,fromyourlife.

Yoursystemscancomebackonline,itjusttakessometime.Therearesomepeoplewheretheyprobablyneverwill.LikeyouIdon'thaveaconcernaboutoverpopulationoftheplanet.Ihaveaconcernaboutrapidlyfallingfertilityandit'sgettingworseeveryyear,sothenexttwogenerationsare,theyjustwon'tbeasbigasthese,atleastnotinthedevelopednationsthathavethisindustrialagriculture.

Ihavetwohealthyyoungkids,[inaudible00:50:04]anorganicfarmandyoudon'tbringrounduponhere,andifIcouldmake,theislandwhereIlive,GMOandroundup-freeIwouldbecauseIthinkitincreasespropertyvaluestobeabletosaythereisnoneofthatstuffaroundhere.Whydon'tyoumovehere,landistwiceasexpensivebecauseithasn'tbeenpoisoned.

DonHuber: Well,youbroughtupthevirus,myUSDAcolleaguescommentedtomeonthebirdfluepidemicthatwehadthroughtheMidwestthisyear,andeliminated46millionchickensandturkeys.TheinterestingthingwasthatasmyUSDAcolleaguemadeacomment,hesaidit'sreallyastrangespringthatwehadthisyearbecausetheorganicflocksdidn'tloseasinglebird.

Thefreerangeflocks,aretheyorganicorjustregular?Therewasn'tasinglebirdwithbirdflu.ItwasonlythoseconfinedfeedingontheGMOfeeds.Yousaywell,what'stheassociation?Well,certainlyoneoftheassociationsisthatyouhavetheviralpromotergenesinthatfeed.That'sthevirulencegene.Youcantakeaveryweakvirusthatdoesn'tdoanythingtoyouexceptmaybemakeyoufeelalittlebitsluggishforadayorsomethinglikeaZikavirus.


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Youhavethatvirulent,viral,virulencegenetoit,that'sapromoters,that'swhatmakesthatvirusmoreactiveandyou'regoingtohaveamoresevereresponsetoit.Wesawthatasadevastatingresponsetoourpoultryindustrywiththisbirdfluepidemicthislastyear.

DaveAsprey: Engineeringweaknessintobiologicalsystems.It'ssorisky,becausebiologicalsystemsshareinformationwitheachother.Ithinkwe'veengineeredsomeprofoundlyweakhumanswhoaresusceptibletodiseasesweshouldn'tbesusceptibleto.

DonHuber: Well,youseealotofthephysiologicalchangesnotjustsomeofthosearefromagut,microbiomechanges.Youalsoseeitfromjustadirecteffectofthehighconcentrationsofglyphosateinourfeeds,sothatthere'sonecountrythatlastyearintheirlegislaturepassedalawthatyounolongerhavetodeclarethesexofyourchildatbirth.

Yousaywell,that'skindofadumblaw,isn'tit?Can'tyoujustlookattheplumbingandtellwhetherit'samaleorafemale?Thetruthis,youcan.Becausewiththeendocrinedisruption,therearemanysituationswherethere'snotacleardelineationofwhatthesexis.

DaveAsprey: Whatcountryisthat?

DonHuber: That'soneoftheEuropeancountries.[crosstalk00:53:20].Youhavethatorneitheroneispredominant.

DaveAsprey: Asexual.

DonHuber: WhattheydidthenwasgivethemsixmonthssotheycoulddothegenetictestingandseewhethertheyhavetheXYchromosomebeforetheyrushedintosurgerytodictatewhatthatchildwasgoingto,typicallybefortherestoftheirlife.Itchangeseverythingthatwevalue,everythingthatweholddearinourentiresystem.Whetherit'stheenvironment,whetherit'soursoilhealth,humanhealth,animalhealth,crophealth.

ThisverysimplecompoundandtheGMOcropsthatisappliedto95%ofthem.Allhaveaveryfarreachinglong-termbasis,it'snotjustnowortomorrow.We'retalkinggenerationeffects,whenyoutalkdisruptionoftheendocrinehormonesystem.There'sagoodbook,it'sanolderbooknow,Ithink1984orsomewhereinthere.

Ourstolenfuture.That'sbeforepeoplerecognize,ortheauthorsrecognizethetremendousimpactofglyphosate,butjustdiscussingwhathappenswhenyoudisrupttheendocrinehormone,systemwiththerightchemicals.Becausethosearewhatwe'realldependenton,Isaiahsaidyourwholefleshislife.Well,we'redependentonthosecrops,agricultureisourbasicinfrastructure.

Ifweignoreit,thentheconsequencesimpactusnotjusttodayfromanutritioneffectbutalsoasyou'veindicatedfromthetoxinsandtheothereffectsthatcomeinfromanenvironmentalstandpoint.


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DaveAsprey: Peoplelisteningtothisepisodeareprobablyaregoing,we'recompletelyscrewed.Youhave11kidsand35grandkids.Whatdoyoutellthemtodo?

DonHuber: Tellthem,eathealthy.

DaveAsprey: Whichclearlymeans.

DonHuber: Growasmuchofyourfoodasyoucanonyourown,haveagarden.Someofthosethings,somecan,somecan't.Findoutwhat'sinyourfood.Beactiveinmakingsurethatyouknowwhyyoucan'tdothatwithoutlabeling,withouthavingsometestingdone.Nowwearegettinglaboratoriesnow.They'regettingthetestdownsoit'sinareasonable30to$100range.It'sworthtestingoffindingouthowmuchyoureallyconsumingwiththetypeofdietthatyou'reeating.

Sendinyourownsampling.Nowwhenthatcomesbackat70or80partspermillion,don'tcommitsuicide,butyouknow,it'syougottochangeyourdiet.SomeotherthingsinEurope,theyactuallymarketaproductcalledactivewallman,it'sahumicacidproductandtherearesomeothermaterialsherethatwell,actually[inaudible00:57:15]outofthebody.

DaveAsprey: Humicacid.Interestingwhatarethematerialswouldyourecommendforthat?

DonHuber: [inaudible00:57:22]isoneontheresearch.Doeslookgood.Verystrongchelatorbutalsoonthattetrahedronstructure.Ifyoucangetsizedown,hastheabilitytoabsorbit.Thesetwoentitieshavebeenquiteeffectiveinimprovingfertility.

DaveAsprey: You'reexactlyright.Bentoniteclayistheothernamethatyoujustusedit.That'sthestreetnameforit.Yeah,BentoniteclayandactivatedcharcoalarethingsthatIuseonaregularbasis,Iactuallymanufactureasmallparticlesizeactivatedcharcoal,becauseremovingbiotoxinsseemstomakemeperformbetter.

DonHuber: Nowwiththeactivatedcharcoal.It'llpullalotofthetoxinsout.Itdoesn'tpullglyphosateunlessyouhaveSauerkrautjuicewithit.

DaveAsprey: Now,that'snewstome.WhatdoesSauerkrautjuicedotocharcoal?

DonHuber: Sauerkrautjuiceprovidesthelactobacillusanda[inaudible00:58:26].ThosearetheorganismsthatdothefermentingofthecabbagetomakeSauerkraut.That'sanexcellentsource,arethosetwobacteriatorecolonizeyourGItract.AsDr.[inaudible00:58:46]hasshownthatincombinationwiththeactivatedcharcoal,thattheSauerkrautjuiceisveryeffective.TheSauerkrautjuiceonitsown,hasaverybeneficialeffect.

Yougetsomeofthecombinations,inSauerkrautjuice,thehumicacid.Thehumicacidisdefinitelyanimprovementinanimals,incattle,itmaytakesevenoreightmonthsbeforeyougetfullrestorationofreproductiveabilitybothinthebullsaswellasinthecows.HadabullbreederinNebraskatellmethatwe'reonaplanetoNewYorkandhesaidithadto


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pull40%ofhisbullsoutofservice,hecouldn'tgetconception.

Withtheactivatedcharcoaland[inaudible00:59:42]insevenoreightmonths,you'llseethatrestorations,spermcounts,spermhelptoimprove.You'llseeconceptionlevelsratesrestoreandbackmoretonormal.[inaudible01:00:04]twotothreemonths.It'samuchshorterperiodthere,theyhavealittlefasterrecyclingtime.

DaveAsprey: Pigsandhumansaresimilarinthewaywedetox.Ifindthathumansaresimilarthatway.Whenyouusethosecompoundstofindtheendocrinedisruptors,tofindthemicrotoxins,tofindtheglyphosatethatwebouncebackprettyquicklybutit'snotagoodideatogetpregnantthreemonthsafteryoudothat,becauseyoushouldgetcleanerbeforeyougetpregnant.Giveyourselfsixmonthsifyoucandoit.Becausethatgivesyoutimetobuildupsomeresilienceandratherthangettingpregnantwhenit'sfirstpossible.

DonHuber: Thereasonforthatis,whileit'spullingtheglyphosate,it'salsopullingalotofyourbeneficialmineralsbecausethosecompoundsarechelators,andyouwanttobuildthoseback.Manganeseisreallyimportantforfertility.

DaveAsprey: Forglutathioneproduction.

DonHuber: Forglutathioneandalsofortheendocrinesystemforyourenzymesinvolvedthere.[JeffreyShepherd01:01:11]atveterinarypathologist,universityofMinnesota.WasonaprogramthatIwasonandhewasreportingonhisfiveyearstudyonbirthdefectsincattle,andalsoonstillburst,andhefoundthat100%ofthosecalvesthatweredeformedandstillbornwereextremelydeficientinmanganese.

Hesaidwellwhatabouthealthyones,wellhefound63%ofhishealthyoneswerealsoextremelydeficientandsohestartedlookingatthefeed.Hefoundthatthefeedlevelisnowthehighlevelsthathecouldfindinanyofthefeedwhetheritwascorn,whetheritwashayorapasture.Thehighestleveliswhatweusedtoconsiderjusttheaverage.

Hislowlevels,youwonderedhowdidthoseplantscouldevenanyphotosynthbecausehefoundsomeofthemdowntoaslowasonepartpermillionofmanganeseandyouhavetohavemanganesetosplitthatwatertogetthehydrogencombinedwithcarbondioxidetofarmthesugar.

DaveAsprey: Thisisoneofthosethingswherepeoplehavethisidea,Ishouldgetallmynutrientsfromfood.Youhavenoideawhat'sinyourfoodbecausethelevelofmanganesecouldbehigh,itcouldbelowbuttheoddsofitbeinghighareprettylowrightnowjustbecausewe'vebeenfarmingfortoolong,becausewespreadcraponthesoil.

DonHuber: Well,youhaveanextremelypowerfulchelatorthattiesupthemanganese.Evenifit'sthere,it'snotgoingtobeavailablephysiologically,andthenifitisavailablephysiologicallywiththeamountofglyphosatethatyou'reeatingandgettinginifyoulookatthegeological,theUSgeologicallawsurveys,theamountthatwe'regettingintheairandwaterjustbecauseoftheindiscriminateuseisenoughtoimmobilizealotofthoseminerals


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thatyouhavetohave.

Youmayhaveafairamountofmanganeseavailableintheplant.Whenitgetsintoyourbodyandyoumixitwiththisverypowerfulchelator,you'renotgoingtohaveitavailableforallofthosephysiologicalfunctionsthatitneedstobefunctionalfor.

DaveAsprey: ItestedlowonmanganeseeventhoughIsupplement,probablythemostexpensivepeeontheplanet,Itakepissfulsofverycarefullytargetedsupplements,Iwasstilllow.Iwaskindofsurprised,butIcrankeditup,tookan[inaudible01:04:00]formofmanganeseofcouplemonthsandgotmylevelsbackupbutmostpeopletheydon'ttestthatstuff.

DonHuber: Ofcoursewithmanganeseand[inaudible01:04:12]youhavearelativelynarrowwindowcomparedtosomethinglikeironorcalciumormagnesium.Youcouldalsooverdoseandthat'soneofthereasonwhyyoureallyshouldtestandseewhatyourstatusis.Eatingalotofnuts.You'regoingtogetalotoftheseminerals,micronutrientsthatyou'renotgoingtogetfromothersources.Hopefullywewon'tgetcaughtlikewedidinCalifornialastyearwhereamillionpoundsofalmondswererejectedbyGermanybecausetheexcessiveglyphosate.

DaveAsprey: IwasabouttosayIcouldseewherethat'sgoing.

DonHuber: Theyhadn'tappliedglyphosatefortwoyearstoanyofthoseorchards.

DaveAsprey: Wow.

DonHuber: Inmanyofoursoils,wehaveoverIthink[FrankDean01:05:14]showedand[AndreaComo01:05:17]inCanada.FrankDeanintheUSwereshowingover100poundsofglyphosateperacrestillsittinginoursoilbecauseit'saverydifficultcompoundtodegrade,veryfewmicroorganismscanchewitup.

DaveAsprey: Therearemorethanafewmedicalprofessionswholistentotheshowandtherearealsomorethanafewfarmersandranchersthatlistentothis.Isuspectthey'reskewedtowardstheorganicsideofthingsbecausethere'salwaysthatsortofabias.Ifyoulistentothisandyou'rerunningoryou'reinvestinginoryouownacroplandandyouwanttomakealotofmoney,stopsprayingrounduponyourlandnow.

Becauserightnoworganiccertificationisreallyexpensive,I'mworkingonorganiccertificationformyownfarmrightnowandI'llgetitbecauseit'sneverbeensprayedanditwon'tbethathardtodo,Icanpassanytestbecauseitwasn'tinproductionbefore.However,ifyouhaveland,theamountoftimethatyouhaven'tsprayeditwithglyphosateisgoingtoincreaseitsvalue.

Ifyoustopsprayingnowyou'llhavealotmoremoneyafewyearsfromnowbecausepeoplewillhearthisshowandpeoplewillseealltheotherresearch,allthemovies,documentaries,books,likethecatisoutofthebag.Ifyou'realateactor,you'llhavetheleastvaluablefarmlandandtheleastproductivefarmland.


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Ifyou'reanearlyactorandyoustopdoingthiscrapnow,andyoustartrestoringyoursoil,

you'regoingtomakealotofmoney.Ifyou'reaninvestor,youshouldpayattentiontothat.Thisisalongtermtrend,it'sa10yearplustrendbutit'smoneyonthetable,ifyou'retryingtomakealiving,growingfoodwhichiskindofanimportantthingtodo.

DonHuber: Yeah.Thenaturalhalflifeofglyphosatecanbeanywherefromayearandahalfforaslongas22years.Now,wedohavepeoplethatare,thathavedevelopedsome,whatappearedtobeintheearlystagesveryeffectivebiologicalcocktailsthatyoucangetoutthereandgetsomemuchmorerapiddegradationandcleanthatup,butit'sanotherexpense,butatleastnotquiteasbleaknowasitlookfiveorsixyearsago.

Wherewewerehavingdifficultyevenfindingorganismsthatcouldbreakitdown.Oneofthoseorganismsthatcanutilizeitasanutrientsourceisfusarium.Wetalkedaboutwhywehaveallthesetoxins[inaudible01:07:44].We'refeedingit.We'resimulatingit.Thatcarbonphosphideit'snotaphosphatecompoundeventhoughwelumpitwiththeorganicphosphates,butit'saphosphide.

Theenzymethatbreaksthatcarbonphosphidebond,itvaryrareinnature.Inthesecocktails,they'remakingsuretheygetthosethereandreallylookingverypromisingforus,atleastawayoutinareasonableperiodoftime.Otherwise,we'retalkinggenerations.

DaveAsprey: Hopefullysciencecansaveusfromscience.Infact,itseemslikethat'salwaysbeenthewayit'sbeensincetheinventionoffire.

DonHuber: Yeah.Well,sciencehasalwaysproducedotherknowledge,greaterknowledgeandthenwerecognizetheirothersideeffects,unintendedconsequencesasaresultofthatandwe'vebeenabletomakeprogressbecauseinthepast,wealwaysrecognizedit.Wealwayssaid,okay,what'stheconsequence,whataretheunintendedeffects,andthenweaddressthose.

Whenitcametogeneticengineering,thatwasprohibited,thatkindofthinkingis[inaudible01:09:10]andacademia,andindustry,andeverythingelse.Theysaidthesearesubstantiallyequivalent,youcan'tdoanytesting.TheUSDAgroupthatwassetupwith26ofourrealeliteacademicinstitutions,landgrantcollegesandatechnicaladvisorycommitteewassetuptodeterminesafetyofGMOcropsin1992or1991.

Wehadthemavailabletousatthetime.Theyweren'tcommercialized,butafterthreeyears,theywroteanopenlettertotheEPAwhotheywereworkingwithandsaidwe'reprohibitedbythecompaniesfromdoinganytesting.Theseareproprietaryproductandtheythreatentosueusifwepublishanynegativedatafromit,plustheydon'tmakethematerialsavailabletothemfortestingtostartwith,andit'sillegalforthemtogeneratebecauseagainit'sapatentedproduct.

IfyoulookattheEPAandtheFDApolicies,theysaywecan'treleaseanyofthematerialbecauseit'saproprietaryproductandeventhoughtheygoaheadandderegulatethem,


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nobody'shadanopportunitytoseewhatthatlookslikeuntiljustrecently.Thenyoufindthefraudinthefalsificationofdata.

Eveninthoseteststhataresubmittedtotheofficialagencies,[inaudible01:10:53]in1991attheEPAevensuedseveralofthelabsthatMonsatowasusing.Forinstance,theIBMorIBTIbelieveitwas,Iforgotwhatthenames,allthoselabs.Anyway,it'sopencourtdocuments,thatyoucanget.YoucangotoWikipediaandit'llgiveyoualittlerundownonsomeofthosecourtcases.

Theysuedthemforjustblatantfalsificationoftheirdata.Finedthem$19.2millionandafewofthoselaboratorypeopleforperjuringthemselvesinsendingthatfalsedata,gotfreeroomandboardforafewyears.Thosesituations,that'sallpublicrecordasthefraudthat'sgotinit.SteveDrukeragaininhisbookalteredgenes,twistedtruthhadverymeticulouslydocumentedmanyofthosesituationsshowinghowthesystemhasbeencorruptedattheexpenseofhealth.

Dr.SwansonandherpublicationandthegrouppublicationtherewiththeCDCdatajusttitleitsomethinglikeGMOandglyphosateeffectsonadeterioratinghealthinAmerica.It'saverywelldone,verystatisticaltypeofapresentation,butyouseethatscientificcensorshipthat'sgoingon.WehiredatremendousgeneticistsatPurduewhenIwasstillontheactingfacultybeforemyemeritusretiredstatus.

Tremendousindividualwhodidsomeresearchshowingthatthemodeofactionofglyphosateisn'tthechemicalresistance,it'samatterofresistancetothesoil-bornepathogensthataretheorganismsthatreallytothedotheherbicidalactivity.It'sincreasingdiseasesusceptibility.Well,thatthreatenedtheendowmentsandsomeoftheincome.

Hewasreleasedassoonashissixyearprobationaryperiodwasupandwewereabletopickhimuptremendousgeneticists,agreatscientistandwewerehappytohavehim.Youfindthatgoingonallthetime.BarneyGordon,agreatagronomist.Oneofourlandgrantuniversities,[Yen01:14:06]madeamistakeofpublishingsomeofhisresearchtoalerthisfarmerstotheneedinthegeneticengineeredcropstoincreasetheirmicronutrientlevels.

They'renotgoingtobeasavailable.They'renotasefficientintakingthosenutrientsupandalsothenwhenyouapplytheglyphosate,youreducetheavailabilityofthosenutrients,soyouneedtolookatthosesoilandtissuetestandsayokay,I'vegottoaddacoupleofpoundsofmanganese,there'soneofthethingshewaslookingat.

Maybeasmuchasfivepoundswhileitonlytakesahalfpoundforthetotalsufficiencyoftheplant,buttoovercomethat,thenyouneedtoaddmore.Well,asaresultofpublishingthat,hegotverballybeatupprettybad,andafewmonthslater,publishedanapologyforpublishinghisscience,whichhestatedIpublisheditsoourgrowerscouldmaintaintheirproductionefficiency.

Hadtoapologize,saidIdidn'trecognizetheunintendedconsequencesofpublishingmydata.Well,aspartofthatscientificcensorshipthatisprevailsthroughoutthewholesystem


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whenitcomestogeneticengineering.It'sreallymoreofreligionthanitisascience.Thescienceagainisfossilscience,thewholepremisethatitsbuilton.It'sanexcitingarea.I'vebeeninvolvedinitforanumberofyears.

Dothingsthatwecouldn'tdootherwise,butalsoyouhavetorecognizethatyoumayonlylookforonething,butyou'redoingmanyotherthingsintheprocessthatyou'dbetterbeveryconcernedaboutuntilthey'retestedthoroughly.

DaveAsprey: We'rereachingthestagewheretheeconomicimpactsofthescientificcensorshiparetoogreattoignore.Whenyou'velosthalfyourcropofchickens,when40%ofyouranimalscan'treproduce,you'regoingtogooutofbusinessandespeciallyifyou'reasmallfarmer,thereareafewofthoseleft,butifyou'realargerfarmerandyouhaveshareholdersandboardsofdirectors.

Itdoesn'tmatterwhattheofficialcensoredscientificstoryis,eithertheanimalsreproduceortheydon't.Ifatthesametime,youranimalsdon'treproduce,youcan'treproduce.Eventhoughyoucanoryoucan't,that'swhenpeoplestartlookingatwhatworks,insteadofwhat'ssupposedtowork.Ithinkwe'rehittingthattippingpoint,whereyoujusthavetodothatbecauseyouwanttoeat.Youhavetodothatbecauseyouwanttohavekids.That'sgoingtoshakeupagriculture.Honestly,Ithinkthere'sgoingtobeafewchemicalcompanyexecutivesinjailforaverylongtime.Ithinkit'sprobablywelldeservedatthispoint.

DonHuber: Well,it'sestimatedbyonelawyeratleastthatthemedicaltrustfundthatwillberequiredforourgeneticengineereddamage,theglyphosatedamagewillexceed$200billion.Ithinkthat'sprobablyjustthetipoftheiceberg.

DaveAsprey: Weagreethere.Well,Dr.Huber,thishasbeenafascinatingconversation.IlearnedsomethingsIdidn'tknowwhenIconsidermyselfrelativelywellreadonthistopicsothankyouforthenewknowledge.Iknowlistenersenjoyedtheheckoutofthis.There'safinalquestionthatI'dliketoaskyouthatI'veaskedeveryguestontheshow.

It'sifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaidbasedonyourwholelifeexperience,notjustyourprofessionandyouracademicside.IftheysaidIwanttoperformbetterateverythingIdoinmylife,whatarethethreemostimportantthingsIshouldknow?Whatwouldyoutellthem?

DonHuber: Firstone,Ithinkit'syourattitudeandforme,it'smyrelationshipwithmymaker.That'scriticalbecauseitdictateshowyouapproachproblemsandhowyouapproachthings.Alongwiththatiswedon'tliveinanisolatedhermitageandfamilyisacriticalstructurethatIvalueaboveallelseessentiallyinthatarea.

Inordertohavethatabilityandtohavethatrelationshipwitheachother.Youhavetofeelgood,youhavetobehealthy,youhavetobeacontributortosocietyratherthanadrainonsociety.It'sthatopportunitytoserveandtobothinfamilyandcommunityandworldwide.I'vehadthatprivilegeandIreallyappreciatedbeingininternationalconsultantandworkingonalotofprojectsaroundtheworld.


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Thatyourealizethatweallhaveaplaceandaroletogetherthatifyou'renothealthy,

you'renotabletodoanyofthat.Yourhealthhastobeapriorityforyouandwhetherthat'sgoingtoencompassaspiritualandmentalhealthaswellasthephysicalandhealththat'sinvolvedthere.Thosearemypriorities.Iguessshootingfromthehip.

DaveAsprey: Well,there'salwaysthebestanswers,sothankyou.

DonHuber: Nowmywifemightchangethoseprioritiesalittlebit.

DaveAsprey: Theytendtodothat,don'tthey?Well,thanksagainforbeingontheshow.Isthereanyparticularresourcesyou'dliketodirectlistenerstotolearnmoreaboutyourworkoraboutjusttheGMOsandglyphosateingeneral?

DonHuber: Ithinktherearesomegoodreviewsout,SteveDruker'sbookdealswithjusttheprocessofgeneticengineeringandtheproblemsthere.Excellentbook,youcangetitonAmazonornumberofplaces.There'sGMOMythsandTruthwhichisareviewofIthinkprettycloseto800peerreviewedscientificstudies.

Wherethey,MichaelAntonioatKing'sCollegemedicalschoolinEnglandandClaireRobinsonandJohnPaganhereintheUS,editorsofthatbuttheylookatallofthepromises,andallofthepromisesthatGMOsthatweregiventous25yearsagohaveallbeenproventobefailpromises.Theylookatthosepromisesbecausethey'restilltoutedandI'vegonethroughthenandhavetheactualscientificdatatoshowwhat'shappened.

Howthosepromisesreallymaterializeforus?It'sanopensourceabout400pagebookthattheycangetontheInternetandthatIunderstandthey'retryingtocomeoutwithahardcopyonitnow,butitisavailablefreeandanexcellentresourceandthentheseotherreviews,NancySwanson'sbookhasfourpaperslastyear.

Justshowingwhathappenstothephysiologyofaplantwhenit'sgeneticallyengineeredasfarasthenewtoxinsthatareproduced,theFormaldehydeaccumulation,thedepletionofglutathioneandthosethings.There'ssomeexcellentsources.Youdon'thavetoreadall1,700papersthatshowconcerns.

DaveAsprey: WhatIwilldoisI'lllinktoallofthoseresourcesinthetranscriptforthispodcast,sopeoplewhoarelisteningcangototheBulletproofwebsiteandwe'llhaveeverythingwesaidtranscribedandattheendofit,there'llbejustdirectlinkssotheycaneitherbuythebookonAmazonordownloadanyofthepapers.That'sit.

ThanksagainforbeingonBulletproofradio.Thishasbeenareallyexcellentinterviewandthanksforyourlife'sworkonthisstuff.Ithinkyou'vereallyshinedalightwhereitneededtobeshined.

DonHuber: Dave.I'mstillhavingfun.Ihaveaconcernforkids,butIalsoknowthatifweworkatit,ifwerecognizetheproblem,wecancorrectit.


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DaveAsprey: Wecanindeedandyou'vegivenlistenersseveralreallygoodideashere,andhopefullywe

movetheneedleformillionsofpeoplewiththisconversation.That'swhatI'mworkingtodo.Thanksagain.

DonHuber: Thanks,Dave.

DaveAsprey: Ifyouenjoyedtoday'sepisode,youknowwhattodo.Stopeatingglyphosate,thatwillbethenumberonethingtodo.Thatwillmakeyouperformbetter,it'llmakeabiggerdifferenceinhowyoufeeleveryday,howyouperformandyourabilitytodoalltheotherstuffyouwanttodo,tojustaboutanythingelseyoucoulddoexceptmaybeBulletproofcoffee,theymightbeneareachother.

I'mseriousaboutthat,there'snoglyphosateonmyland,there'snoglyphosateinmyfood.Mykidsnevercomenearthisstuff.Theydon'teatschoollunches,ortheygotoaschoolwhereschoollunchesdon'thaveglyphosate.Whateverittakes,yougottogetthisoutofyourownsystem.Outoftheenvironmentaroundyouandespeciallyoutofyourkid'senvironment.

Itisamatteroflifeanddeath.Itisamatterofsurvivalofthespecies,butit'sactuallynotashardasyoumightthinkitis.ThisissomethingyoucandoandIthinkit'sreallyimportant.Whenyoudothis,itmakesyouamorepowerfulhumanbeingandthatisveryveryprecious.HaveanawesomedayandI'llseeyouonthenextepisode.

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