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NATIONAL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION

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COMMISSION MEETING

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OPEN SESSION

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THURSDAY,OCTOBER 3, 2019

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The meeting convened in Room 5115, Suite500, 401 9th Street, NW, Washington, D.C. 20004,at 1:00 p.m., Thomas Gallas, Vice Chairman,presiding.

NATIONAL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT:

LINDA ARGO, Mayoral AppointeeEVAN CASH, Office of the Chairman of the Council

of the District of Columbia ARRINGTON DIXON, Mayoral AppointeeTHOMAS GALLAS, Presidential AppointeeWENDY GINSBURG, U.S. House of RepresentativesPETER MAY, Department of the InteriorPAUL MCMAHON, Department of DefenseDANIEL SPINO, U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland

Security and Governmental AffairsANDREW TRUEBLOOD, Office of the Mayor of

the District of Columbia

MINA WRIGHT, General Services Administration

Neal R. Gross and Co., Inc. (202) 234-4433 Washington DC www.nealrgross.com

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NCPC STAFF PRESENT:

MARCEL C. ACOSTA, Executive Director

MATTHEW FLIS, Senior Urban Designer

CARLTON HART, Urban Planner

JULIA KOSTER, Secretary to the Commission

VIVIAN LEE, Urban Planner

SARAH RIDGELY, Senior Urban Planner

ANNE SCHUYLER, General Counsel


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C-O-N-T-E-N-T-S

Elect Commissioner to Run the Open Session . . . . 4

Report of the Vice ChairmanThomas Gallas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7

Report of the Executive DirectorMarcel Acosta . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8

Legislative UpdateAnne Schuyler . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11

Consent Calendar Items - No Presentation . . . . .12

Action Items - With Presentation

National World War I Memorial. . . . . . . . . . .24

Korean War Veterans Memorial Wall

of Remembrance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .58

Information Presentations

Amendment to the 1974 Pennsylvania Avenue

Plan and Guidelines for Square 491 . . . . . . . .95

Arlington National Cemetery

Souther Expansion. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 121

Adjourn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 148


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P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S

1:02 p.m.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Good afternoon and

welcome to the National Capital Planning

Commission's October 3rd, 2019 public meeting.

Would you all please rise and join me

in the Pledge of Allegiance?

(Pledge of Allegiance)

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: For all in

attendance today's meeting is live-streamed and

will be available as a video. Noting the

presence of a quorum, I would like to call this

meeting to order and I'd especially like to

welcome Paul McMahon as the DoD representative

today for this Commission meeting.

Welcome, Paul.

ELECT COMMISSIONER TO RUN THE OPEN SESSION

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Before we proceed

with the agenda there is one procedural matter we

must undertake. We're getting good at this, I

think.

(Laughter.)


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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: In the absence of

the Chair the bylaws require the Commission to

elect one of its members to perform the function

of the Chairman at the start of each meeting with

the understanding that the Vice Chairman is the

likely person to be elected to run the meeting.

So the Commission must nominate and vote on who

should run the October open session. Is there a

motion?

MEMBER DIXON: So moved.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Is there a second?

MEMBER ARGO: Second.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Second? All in

favor of electing Mr. Gallas as the Commission's

Vice Chairman to run today's meeting, please

signify by saying aye?

(Chorus of aye.)

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Any opposed?

(No audible response.)

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right. Well,

thank you very much, my fellow Commissioners, for

electing me to run this meeting.


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(Laughter.)

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Pleasure.

4 [INSERT - AGENDA]


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REPORT OF THE VICE CHAIRMAN

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Agenda Item

2 is the report of the Vice Chairman.

So a couple of things, I think. On

September 21st it was my honor to represent the

Commission at the ceremonial groundbreaking of

the National Native American Veterans Memorial.

It was a spiritually moving ceremony to celebrate

the future memorial of Native American veterans

and we look forward to the final review and

approval of the memorial design very soon.

Second, NCPC, in partnership with the

American Society of Landscape Architects, hosted

an important public symposium on security and the

public realm on September 24th, and that was

followed with -- the next day with a half-day

workshop dealing with that as well.

I was pleased to kick off both these

events and thought this was an exceptionally

important dialog between security, design and

planning professionals, as well as many local

stakeholders that manage and program the capital


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city's public spaces and events. Throughout the

discussions the focus was on how to balance the

need for inviting spaces that also provide an

acceptable level of security for users in those

spaces.

I want to offer special thanks to the

staff for creating and engaging a well-organized

event on such an important topic, and I also want

to thank Commissioners May and Wright for

participating in this important dialog.

Another note: At last month's meeting

the Commission deferred action on a proposal for

the Naval Support Facility at Suitland. NCPC and

the applicant's staff continue to work on this

proposal and it will likely be considered at the

November meeting.

And finally, I'm happy to say that

today, October 3rd, is my mother's 93rd birthday.

(Laughter.)

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And so, I'll send

good thoughts to Mom. Thank you very much.

REPORT OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR


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Okay. Moving onto Agenda Item 3.

It's the report of the Executive Director.

Mr. Acosta?

DIRECTOR ACOSTA: Thank you, Mr.

Chairman, and happy birthday to your mother.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you.

DIRECTOR ACOSTA: So NCPC will host an

open house on Monday, October 7th from 6:00 to

7:30 p.m. to give the public an opportunity to

learn more about the proposed updates to the

transportation elements of the Comprehensive

Plan. These also include policies addressing

parking at federal facilities, visitor

destinations and a more detailed discussed of

emerging trends and new technologies. Attendees

can learn more about the update, ask questions

and provide written comments at the open house.

And we are accepting comments through November

12th of this year.

I'd also like to echo your comments

regarding the September 24th Security and Access

to Public Space event. I'd like to thank the


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1 staff led by Surina Singh who did an outstanding

2 job preparing for the public event and agency's

3 symposium.

4 So thank you very much.

5 [INSERT - REPORT OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR]


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MS. SINGH: Thank you.

DIRECTOR ACOSTA: So that concludes my

presentation. You have a written report before

you, too.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Ms. Singh, the

only thing you didn't have on the agenda was the

fire alarm that we had to deal with --

(Laughter.)

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: -- but we handled

it with aplomb. I was really impressed with the

way it all was handled. We really didn't miss a

beat. So it was really a tremendous day. Thank

you.

LEGISLATIVE UPDATE

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Agenda Item 4 is

a legislative update from Ms. Schuyler.

MS. SCHUYLER: Well, first and most

importantly a very happy birthday to your mom --


MS. SCHUYLER: -- and I wish her many

more.



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MS. SCHUYLER: On the legislative

front I have nothing to report.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Thank you.

CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS - NO PRESENTATION

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Then moving

along to Agenda Item 5 is the consent calendar.

There are three consent calendar items on this

month's agenda.

The first item is for exterior

improvements to the National Gallery of Art East

Building submitted by the National Gallery of

Art.

The second item is for the Joint Base

Andrews firing range facility expansion submitted

by the Department of the Navy.

And the last item is for a change in

cladding at the St. Elizabeths West Campus

Interstate 295 facing wall submitted by the

General Services Administration.

[INSERT - NATIONAL GALLERY OF ART EAST BUILDING]


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1 [INSERT - JOINT BASE ANDREWS FIRING RANGE

2 FACILITY EXPANSION]


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1 [INSERT - CLADDING AT THE ST. ELIZABETHS WEST

2 CAMPUS]


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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I don't know if --

Mr. May, you have anything you'd like to comment

on this before we move for a motion.

MEMBER MAY: Of course. Thank you

very much. I appreciate the opportunity.

So first of all let me just say I'm

not going to vote against the consent calendar or

any particular item on this.

I do want to say about the project

involving the change in cladding of St.

Elizabeths on the 295 facing wall, which is the

most public face of that wall, unfortunately the

die is already cast on this. I mean, we already

approved using form liner instead of real stone

on other portions of the retaining wall through

Shepherd Parkway, which is much more important to

me in my role representing the Department of the

Interior and the National Park Service because

that was within Shepherd Parkway. I don't think

that's a change we ever should have made and I

think in this circumstance I'm not particularly

in favor of doing it here either, but I


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understand that there's a consistency issue at

this point.

I would also say that I appreciate the

staff's attention to the details on this and

they're noting that the -- that we've been

working with the GSA and DDOT in particular on

the staining and the finish of that form liner to

make it as stone-like as possible. In close

proximity to there we have probably the worst

example of form liner you can see with the 11th

Street Bridge project, another change that never

should have been made and was made without our

knowledge and without the SHPO's knowledge, and

it was a real problem.

But this is better, what we're seeing.

The dyeing and the staining and the finishing is

better and hopefully we'll get to something that

we can all agree on and it will not be as bad. I

still wish it were stone, but not as bad.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right. Well,

thank you for your comments.

MEMBER WRIGHT: You know I can't let


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that sit there.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay.

Commissioner Wright?

MEMBER WRIGHT: So glad you decided to

bring this up because I feel very strongly about

it, that a $12 million delta in expense was not a

judicious choice for the access wall -- I mean

the access road wall that will be visible by

people generally speaking going 60 miles an hour.

We have -- I'm also dismayed to hear

you say that the -- that formstone can't ever do

the trick. I think you know this: I'm a proud

Baltimorean and we happen to think formstone

rocks.

So I -- we stand by our decision. We

understand that the Park Service is not happy.

Hopefully in the future we will be able to agree

on material selection. And I will leave it at

that.

MEMBER MAY: If I may?

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Of course. I had

a feeling.


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MEMBER MAY: So first of all let me

say we are not totally 100 percent opposed to

formstone. I think I've mentioned before that we

have used formstone selectively in certain areas.

MEMBER WRIGHT: To great effect on the

BW Parkway, for example.

MEMBER MAY: It's fine on the BW

Parkway. It's a very low wall. It's not 20 feet

tall. And so, yes, there are moments when that's

okay.

I will also say that I live in a house

with formstone on it.

MEMBER WRIGHT: You do?

MEMBER MAY: I do. Although I am

going to take it off.

(Laughter.)

MEMBER MAY: It wasn't a particularly

good job.

I will also -- I mean I understand

completely the budgetary limitations and I

understand why GSA made the decision. I still

don't think that it's something that we should


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have supported. There are many very fine-looking

stone walls flanking highways through the

district, flanking bridges, supporting bridges,

and it looks a whole lot better than what we see

at the 11th Street Bridge, which I say is the

worst example in close proximity. And I'm sure

you've seen that. You understand what I'm

talking about that it doesn't look good.

MEMBER WRIGHT: I haven't seen it, or

I haven't looked closely at it, but I will now to

ensure that we don't do the same thing.

MEMBER MAY: Yes, I think that's well

worthwhile.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Okay.

MEMBER MAY: And I would also say that

the people going by it I hope are not going 60

miles an hour because the speed limit is 55.

(Laughter.)

MEMBER DIXON: Mr. Chairman?

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes, Commissioner

Dixon?

MEMBER DIXON: I hesitate to speak to


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a consent item like this, but it looks like it's

getting a lot of attention.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes.

MEMBER DIXON: It got a lot of

attention when it first came to us and I shared

some thoughts and feelings then. The folks I

know won't be going by at 50 miles an hour.

They'll be looking at it as they -- it's their

neighborhood. And that's why I spoke to it a long

time ago about trying to the best you could do,

because there are some folks who live with it.

They don't drive by it.

It's odd that both of these

discussions are about facilities -- are things

that are in; I call it ARE, Anacostia River East.

You got a bridge, the 11 Street Bridge with

something that doesn't seem to meet the taste

that we might like, and now we got another wall

coming up that might not. But it's the

functionality I guess that we got to be happy

about, that we got the bridge and that we got a

wall, but it would be nice if we got some of the


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same attention.

I can assure you that if it wasn't in

ARE, Anacostia River East, if it was in Rock

Creek Park, it may be a different discussion, or

in Upper Northwest it may be a different

discussion. And I just want to make the point.

Thank you.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. I think --

thank you for the comments and I do think that

everyone's really pointing toward making the best

of what could be and we hope will be a good

resolution to this. So thank you for your

comments.

I'd like to ask now if there's a

motion.

MEMBER DIXON: I want to -- I actually

want to make two more comments that are sort of

at the same emotional end.

I, too, I'm mentioned, but I, too,

attended the September 21st groundbreaking for

the Native American, and I think I may be one of

the few Native Americans on this Commission. I


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am. I'm a card-carrying Native American. I got

documents. I'm a card-carrying other things,

too. I got documents.

(Laughter.)

MEMBER DIXON: And also I'm sorry that

I missed the public space discussion because East

of the River in ARE, Anacostia River East, we are

almost ground zero now with Homeland Security,

with Bolling, now Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling.

All those facilities are in our community and it

would be nice to have known how the public space

was going to be handled around us. But anyhow,

next time I'll be a little clearer on when it's

happened and be there, but I'll keep an eye on

it. Thank you.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Well, the dialog

will continue coming out of that symposium.

There are some amazing national experts on

security and public space. And so that kind of

rich dialog is something that I think NCPC played

a very important role in sort of hosting and

bringing these parties together in a very


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significant way. So --

MEMBER DIXON: Mr. Chair, I would also

say that I've spent a lot of time in ground zero

having served in the military. My last 10 years

as a full colonel was at the Pentagon, so I know

about ground zero, but I will tell you that a hit

in Southeast could do a lot of damage given what

we got over there now.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Whoa, let's pray

that that doesn't happen.

Okay. Let's come back to the consent

calendar. I'm going to ask for a motion to

approve the consent calendar.

MEMBER WRIGHT: So moved.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And is there a

second?

MEMBER DIXON: Second.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Second? All in

favor of that motion, please signify by saying

aye?

(Chorus of aye.)



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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Unanimously

carried. Thank you.

By the way, Commissioner Dixon, I

didn't see you there at the groundbreaking. It

was really a wonderful ceremony.

MEMBER DIXON: I had a -- I was

dressed --

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Oh. Yes, that

was --

MEMBER DIXON: Maybe you didn't

recognize me with my attire.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay, brother.

ACTION ITEMS - WITH PRESENTATION

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Let's move

to the open session. We have -- today we have

two national memorial projects to review and

discuss today.

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE

BETWEEN 14TH AND 15TH STREETS, N.W., WASHINGTON,

D.C. - NATIONAL WORLD WAR I MEMORIAL


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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: So moving to the

first one, it is Agenda Item 6A, approval of

final site development plans for the National

World War I Memorial. And I just want to say

that this is a particularly important topic to

me. My grandfather is a -- was a veteran of

World War I and a wounded veteran. And so very

excited to be a part of this today. Thank you.

Mr. Flis?

MR. FLIS: Thank you, Mr. Vice

Chairman.

Members of the Commission, the

National Park Service in collaboration with the

World War I Centennial Commission has submitted

the final site and memorial plans for the

National World War I Memorial. You'll recall

last February you approved the preliminary plans

with comments to be addressed with this final

review.

The applicant has continued to develop

the project in response to those comments, and

also others in coordination with the Park Service


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and the Commission of Fine Arts.

Congress has designated Pershing Park

as the National World War I Memorial. A two-

stage competition was held to select the memorial

designer, and the winning design called the

Weight of Sacrifice was selected by the World War

I Centennial Commission. Under the Commemorative

Works Act NCPC has an approval responsibility for

the memorial.

So at the Commission retreat you held

last month you learned about the different stages

of review for various projects including

commemorative works. In this case the site was

already selected by Congress, so the Commission

is just looking at the design of the memorial and

the park.

Particularly relevant to this final

review are a couple questions and areas of

interest including whether landscape plans and

details have been provided, whether a lighting

plan was provided, what are the signage and

security design details, are the materials and


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plantings durable and appropriate to this

climate, and then generally has the applicant

addressed the comments by the Commission from the

previous review?

So as a reminder, Pershing Park is

located in Downtown Washington, D.C; it's

highlighted here in yellow, bounded by

Pennsylvania Avenue to the north and south and

15th and 14th Streets to the west and the east.

The park is located in an important

civic and symbolic corridor. This obviously

links the White House and Congress. Highlighted

here in -- the site is highlighted here in

orange. The park is also within the Pennsylvania

Avenue National Historic Site which has many

important cultural and civic facilities.

In 1979 the Pennsylvania Avenue

Development Corporation commissioned landscape

architect Paul Friedberg to design Pershing Park.

And here you can see the current site plan.

Under Friedberg the park became a

shaded refuge with a waterfall and a sunken water


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feature. A memorial to General Pershing was also

integrated into the park plan. And here are some

images of the site from more recently and I think

at this point you're all familiar with the

location. The park was determined individually

eligible for listing in the National Register of

Historic Places.

So today is the culmination of a

series of reviews by this Commission. Today I

will again focus on how the applicant has

responded to the comments that you provided at

preliminary approval. I'll also discuss the

conclusion of the environmental review and

Section 106 or historic preservation review

process.

The park and memorial design has

changed substantially since the competition

winner was selected in 2016, and since that time

the proposal has focused on restoring and

rehabilitating much of the original park design

while incorporating the changes that are

necessary to accommodate the memorial program and


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also enhance the functionality and accessibility

of the site.

I want to first start by saying the

applicant really does seek to improve the park

and staff believes this will be beneficial as a

whole to the Pennsylvania Avenue corridor, as

well as the surrounding community. Overall we

find the memorial and the enhanced park is a

positive addition to the Pennsylvania Avenue

corridor.

And further, the World War I

Centennial Commission can be an important partner

to help enhance the corridor and the avenue

through programming events and other activities

that will engage visitors, residents, as well as

the general public, and we think this is

particularly important as NCPC continues its work

with their other partners through the

Pennsylvania Avenue Initiative.

So the project overview includes again

the rehabilitation of much of the park fabric and

the retention of the existing Pershing Memorial,


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a new memorial element, the sculptural wall, will

be inserted into the west end of the restored

pool, and a new viewing platform will be added.

The landscaping and lighting will be enhanced and

accessibility will also be improved. Again,

overall the design seeks to balance the

commemorative program with a desire to create an

inviting park.

So I'm going to focus on those

components today related to your previous

comments as well as some other changes that the

applicant has made since your last review. These

include some further details regarding the

memorial wall as well as the lighting strategy,

some additional information about the pool and

the walkway, updates on the signage and

landscape, and then finally some of the other

additional interpretive elements and details that

have been developed.

So as I mentioned, the two major

commemorative elements are the new memorial wall,

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side of the screen, and then the existing

Pershing Memorial, which is on the right.

The existing Pershing Memorial again

is going to stay in place, but it is being

enhanced with new lighting and improved

legibility for the walls. The wall text will be

easier to read. And as you may know, some of the

improvements have already occurred on site and

are already much improving that experience.

Here is the memorial wall which will

be a new addition. Again, this is a stand-alone

element in the west end of the pool. This

provides a narrative related to a soldier's

journey through the war.

The freestanding wall integrates a

water feature at the base here. This is

consistent with some of your earlier requests.

And this also creates sound and movement

consistent with the original Pershing -- the

original Friedberg fountain.

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including how the scale and the height of the

figures will be perceived by the viewers. And

you can see here some of that analysis.

The materials and detailing have also

been further resolved with a combination of

granite finishes and other materials to provide

different textures. All of these materials are

quite durable, and this is consistent with the

standards set forth in the Commemorative Works

Act.

Looking at the western face of the

wall, again this was also will -- also have a

water feature, a fountain, and textured granite

finish. This side will have a quote related to

the search of peace which is an important

counterpoint to that war narrative occurring on

the east side of the wall.

This space here will have seating on

the steps and a more intimate feeling than that

large central plaza, so this will provide a

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Previously the Commission had

requested a lighting plan and scheme for the site

particularly focused on the memorial elements.

In response the applicant has prepared a full

lighting plan and details with renderings that

explain the lighting approach.

Here you can see the idea to

distinguish several different zones within the

site for different lighting approaches. For

example, the perimeter lighting is essentially

building upon the existing pedestrian and --

pedestrian lighting, the existing conditions.

And then as you move into the site there are

focal areas obviously for the memorial, but then

also arrival and gathering spaces.

So I'll just walk you through a few

quick renderings. Here you can see the general

lighting levels for circulation are intended to

be low but meet safety requirements. And here

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Here you can see the memorial wall.

This will be illuminated through two pole lights.

Again, this lighting will allow you to experience

the memorial in a different way than would be

experienced during the day. And here you can see

the other side of the memorial wall at night.

Overall staff finds the lighting

approach appropriate to the memorial and the site

and it's also in a manner that's compatible with

the memorial surroundings and setting within

Pennsylvania Avenue.

The proposed design again restores the

central plaza and the pool and adds a pedestrian

path that would allow visitors to circulate in

front of the commemorative wall. This approach

includes a central platform in the middle of the

pool, which you can see here, with a scrim of

water that's shallow in depth but helps expand

the water in this area. Around the platform

there would be a deeper area of water. This is

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support for this design as it helps reinforce the

edge of the original pool and it also appears as

a deliberate and contemporary insertion to the

historic park fabric. However, given the amount

of hardscape, the Commission had also recommended

the applicant consider different kind of

materials and paving colors to help differentiate

the pedestrian kind of circulation areas from the

scrim.

In response the design has been

updated to include two different materials for

the pool and walkway. These are varying colors

and shades of the granite finish, which we

believe is consistent with the Commission's

request. We think that these two materials help

break up the paving areas and will help again

distinguish the walkway areas from the pool and

the scrim.

In your past reviews the Commission

also commented about the need to improve the

corner access and you had expressed support for

simple horizontal signage at the corners. The


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applicant has provided some additional details

regarding those and you can see here these kind

of low signs that will be provided at the

entries.

The applicant has also further

developed the planting plans to help improve the

experience throughout the site including at the

corners. You can see here providing some

additional colorful plantings that will highlight

these entries. Overall the landscape approach

builds upon the historical scheme developed by

Oehme, van Sweden.

I'll mention that some security

measures have also been integrated into the site

plan. There are -- these are simple bollards at

key locations as well as reinforced planters

along Pennsylvania Avenue. In general we find

these are generally unobtrusive and simple while

meeting the security needs.

Moving onto the landscape I do want to

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evident are the gaps in the existing canopy.

These are going to be filled in through the new

landscape scheme you can see here. So again this

provides an opportunity to provide -- to create

more tree canopy and shade in a way that's

consistent with the original intent of the

landscape. The applicant will also be providing

larger planting areas and new soil, so this will

help promote the long-term survivability of these

trees.

Just some other details. You can see

the proposed tree canopy palette. Again, this

builds upon the original landscape plans. And

then also again the understory plantings will be

replaced and improved adding color and texture

throughout the site. At the plaza level, the

terraces along Pennsylvania Avenue, the planters

will also be improved. Again, these are plants

that durable to the climate -- to our climate and

appropriate to the site.

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not overwhelm the site so that it could still

function as a park within the city. I'll talk

about some of the other features very briefly,

the first focusing on the belvedere which is

highlighted here in red. This as you may recall

was the former location of the gazebo or kiosk.

This area of the belvedere is proposed

to be used for orientation and interpretation.

There were also be some -- an additional

accessibility features like a tactile model

nearby. This helps to promote interpretation for

users of all abilities. In general we do support

the location for this activity because it's

centralized and it also affords views both to the

new memorial wall as well as the Pershing

Memorial. And it's centrally located so that

anybody entering the site can kind of find their

location here.

A flagstaff and new inscriptions are

also proposed at the western side of the site.

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Overall we did not feel that these new features

overwhelmed the site and were appropriate to

balancing that kind of park experience with a

commemorative approach.

I'll note that the applicant is also

proposing to integrate digital information to the

park. This is something new that we haven't

really seen before. This is through the use of

information poppies with QR codes. And you may

be familiar with these. These are kind of like

the barcodes that you can scan with your phone.

Here you can see a site plan showing

the locations of these poppies, which will be

physical elements that you can actually scan for

additional information. The intent is that you'd

be able to use your smartphone to access online

information about the war and the memorial and

the site itself.

Staff has greatly appreciated the

thoughtfulness and attention paid by the

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that I know the Commission discussed at the last

meeting reflecting upon the diversity of

experiences in people that participated and took

part in this historic event. As such we do

recommend commending the World War I Commission

for their thoughtfulness and depth of the

interpretive program, and also the integration of

both traditional and new means within the

memorial and park.

So to conclude I'd like to just

briefly discuss the historic preservation and

environmental reviews pursuant to Section 106 of

the National Historic Preservation Act. A MOA,

Memorandum of Agreement, was developed to resolve

adverse effects on this historic site. The MOA

does identify mitigation measures including the

preparation of a National Historic Register

nomination, as well as the development of a

modernist landscapes context study. You'll

recall from the Modernist Landscapes Forum and

also some of the discussions with the parks and

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to NCPC, so we are excited to see this study

initiated.

And then finally regarding the NEPA

process and environmental assessment was prepared

by the Park Service with NCPC as a cooperating

agency. The primary impacts were those related

to historic resources, which I just mentioned,

and they were resolved through the MOA. As such,

staff recommends the Commission find that in

accordance with the National Environmental Policy

Act your action to approve the memorial will not

have a significant impact on the human

environment.

So overall staff finds the applicant

has been responsive to the Commission's comments

and the design has improved as a result, and

therefore it's the Executive Director's

recommendation the Commission approve the final

site development plans for the memorial, finds

the design has been updated to reflect the

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Act, commends the World War I Centennial

Commission for their interpretive program, finds

that the approval of the design will not have a

significant impact on the human environment,

notes that an MOA has been prepared to conclude

the Section 106 process, and finds that the

memorial and park will be a positive addition to

the Pennsylvania Avenue corridor. And further,

the World War I Centennial Commission can be an

important partner as we continue to work to

enhance the avenue.

That concludes my presentation. I'm

available to answer any questions.

Mr. Edwin Fountain with the World War

I Centennial Commission is also here today I

believe to provide some brief remarks. Thank

you.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Welcome, Mr.

Fountain.

MR. FOUNTAIN: Thank you and good

afternoon and thank you for the opportunity to

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voice. I was at a meeting Tuesday night with

42,000 colleagues on South Capitol Street and --

(Laughter.)

MR. FOUNTAIN: -- had to raise my

voice a few times in order to make myself heard.

I'm here today to tell you that the

World War I Centennial Commission as the sponsor

of this project is pleased to present the

memorial design that you've seen today and to ask

for your approval of the staff recommendation.

And in anticipation of that approval, I'd ask you

to indulge me in a few brief reflections on the

conclusion of -- what I hope is the conclusion of

a three-year design review and compliance

process.

When we undertook to create a National

World War I Memorial at Pershing Park, removed

from the trio of memorials the Mall, we knew that

we first faced a challenge similar to that faced

by most war memorial sponsors, which in this case

was to design a memorial that properly conveys

the nation-changing and world-changing


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significance of World War I, that properly

conveys the magnitude of American sacrifice in

that war, and that commemorates the

accomplishments of American forces with the

physical scale and an emotional weight that is

commensurate with the memorials on the Mall to

the three other wars of the 20th Century.

We also knew that we were taking on an

additional challenge that many other war

memorials do not face, which is to construct a

memorial that is integrated within a well-

functioning urban park such that the memorial and

park design elements are balanced and harmonious,

the park does not marginalize the memorial and

the memorial itself does not limit the potential

civic uses of the park.

And then as the project moved forward

we were tasked with a third challenge, which was

to preserve and restore to the greatest feasible

extent the contributing features of a

historically-significant existing park.

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challenges was the additional challenge of

navigating the process of building a memorial on

federal land in Washington, D.C. As you well

know, a memorial sponsor must comply with three

different statutory regimes and appear before at

least four different approval, consulting, and

advisory bodies which comprise a total of 23

different voices by my count, 12 of which are on

this Commission alone. And that doesn't even

count the consulting parties and other public

commenters and the NEPA and Section 106

processes.

We heard from that multitude of

stakeholders, who, needless to say, do not always

speak with a single voice, over the course of

some 45 commission presentations, interagency

staff meetings and Section 106 consulting party

meetings. And you've seen in the staff

presentation to you just now and in prior

submissions how we have endeavored to meet those

sometimes conflicting challenges. It's taken us

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submission to this presentation, which I know to

some sounds like a long time, but which I

understand to be relatively short for a project

of this scope and complexity. And we've done so

I believe with a relative absence of controversy.

As frustrating as that process can be

at times, we have learned and benefitted from the

guidance from this Commission as well as the

other stakeholders and we have presented to you a

better memorial design as a result.

Our ability to meet those challenges

before us in this time frame is due to the

efforts and talents of a great many people

starting with our design people; and I'd ask them

to stand when I acknowledge them. But led by our

lead designer Joe Weishaar, who won our

competition, supported by our architect of record

GWWO Architects, led by John Gregg and landscape

architect David Rubin Land Collective, and of

course our sculptor Sabin Howard, who's not with

us today.

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this whole process has been how much of it has

been about the park and how little time

relatively has been spent on the sculpture

itself. The sculptor is off and running. He's

been sculpting since Labor Day. I encourage you

if you find yourself in the New York City area to

let us know. We'd be delighted to facilitate a

visit out to his studio so you can see his work

in process.

But I also want to call out the staff

of this Commission, most notably Matthew Flis,

Diane Sullivan, Lee Webb, Elizabeth Miller and

Michael Sherman, as well as the staffs of the

Commission of Fine Arts and the National Park

Service led by Mr. May, and the Commissions

themselves of course.

So with all that I appreciate you for

indulging me today and for your contributions to

this long overdue memorial. We look forward to

completing this process and moving on to making

it -- to bringing it to realization. Thank you

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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you, Mr.

Fountain. Appreciate the work that you all have

been doing in collaboration with staff and all

the stakeholders.

Like to open up to any comments or

questions at this time from the Commission.

Commissioner Evan. Yes?

MEMBER CASH: So I just want to thank

the team for the design work. I think that it's

come a really long way from when we looked at

this first years ago where it was essentially

going to forget this park and create a new

memorial. And we really moved onto kind of a --

I think I called it at the time a -- more of a

restoration project and enhancing it.

And I just want to reiterate the thing

that I've said the past few times to you; and

this might be more for the Park Service, but

please, please, please do all you can to keep

this pool running, to keep the water in there.

There are so many other locations; I've said this

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here and there are water elements and they're

just turned off, they're broken, they're not

maintained. And I think that's a really central

feature here and if it's going to work, the water

is really important.

So I would just make sure to keep that

scrim on as much as you can to get that pool

fixed up and don't let it -- and put aside

resources to maintain this going forward, because

even down at FDR now you can see there's a lot of

the water features that aren't always on. So I

know it's a big undertaking to do that sometimes,

but I think that's just such a central part here.

So I'd really encourage folks to make it work and

-- but thanks for the design work.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Other comments?

Questions?

MEMBER MAY: I have a few.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Commissioner May?

MEMBER MAY: I would say thank you to

Mr. Cash and also note that we -- I think we will

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differently from others, and Mr. Fountain

actually has something to do with that. We'll

continue to work with the World War I Centennial

Commission to get this built, but then hopefully

beyond that working with others to bring -- to

make sure that this stays at the high level of

restoration that we will see.

I mean, this is one of those parks

that we inherited. Not that we treated it any

differently, but it's not one that we had

originally designed and we've been -- it's been a

struggle to maintain from the very beginning.

And of course our ability to maintain these is

highly dependent on the funding we receive, so

hopefully we will received sufficient funding to

be able to do what we need to do.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Anyone else, a

comment?


VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I would like to

also compliment the work of the team. This

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the kind of synergy of the landscape design with

the memorial design and the combination of

materials and water and so forth really all

reinforced one another in a very, very positive

way.

The connectivity and the kind of

access and visibility of this memorial is

something that's been an issue I think in the

past and I think that you all have found amazing

ways to try to open it up and at the same time

give it kind of a procession that would invite

visitors into this site. The kind of access from

the points, the more accessibility from ramping.

There's a lot of grade on this site which has to

be considered and not a small thing to do and I

think you've done it an amazingly seamless kind

of way.

Appreciate the decision about

materials. Keeping the scrim as a different kind

of color and material I think is critical to its

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I'm really thrilled by the work that the team has

done.

I want to -- I'm glad we're on this

image because it is -- there's one thing about

this that I have continually talked about here,

and it is those steps, the seated steps, or

whatever we'd call them, not the formal steps

down into the memorial. And it's the ledge at

the bottom that I'm most concerned about.

I just visited the memorial again this

morning because I wanted to see it one more time

as we took up this discussion. And I worry that

-- what's supposed to happen when you get to the

bottom if you walk all the way down. And are you

-- are we inviting people to fall in? I don't --

or step in? Have we had that happen much in the

past when this was operating as a pool before?

I'm assuming the pool depth is essentially the

same as what it is today. Is that right?


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safety issue as much as just sort of the ledge

seems to want to invite you to go there and want

to almost tempt whether you're going to fall in

or not.

So anyway, it's just something that of

all the things -- and I really -- the belvedere,

by the way, is such an inspiration I think in the

way -- where it's strategically placed, how it

will both be a perch for visitors to learn and

witness what this memorial is all about. It's a

-- it's sort of a -- where it's located and how

it will draw people into in sort of a magnetized

kind of fashion I think is brilliant.

So very, very excited and can't wait

to attend the groundbreaking for this one. And

then of course the actual ribbon cutting for this

one.

Mr. Cash?

MEMBER CASH: I do have one more

question that this slide reminded me of.

What's the strategy with the pavers

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of those old Pennsylvania Avenue pavers that seem

to not be easily replicated. I know there's a

big chunk of them out in front of the Department

of Commerce Building where it was -- they tried

to replicate and it's falling apart. So I mean,

are -- is it going to be new? Is it going to

trying to -- a new stone integrating with the

old? What's the strategy especially along the

Pennsylvania Avenue side?

MR. RUBIN: Good afternoon. My name

is David Rubin from Land Collective. We're the

landscape architects involved in the project.

We actually through great stewardship

on behalf of the competition winner found the

original source for the Pennsylvania Avenue

pavers and feel that we will be able to position

that paving in such a way that it will be

seamless in the context of the greater avenue.

In terms of the materiality of the

remainder of the paving systems, they reflect

what was a better version of what was originally

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there are no trip hazards and replacement in kind

wherever possible for the materials.

MEMBER CASH: Thanks.

MR. RUBIN: You're welcome.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Any other

questions or comments?

Commissioner May?

MEMBER MAY: I was just hoping to

comment on the -- your concern about the steps

and people getting into the water.

So the -- we -- it's a difficult

balance because people want to go to water and

touch water and put their feet in it and walk in

it and so on, but what we have done, as I

understand the practice now at World War II, is

that if people want to put their feet into the

water, sit at the edge, something like that, we

won't stop that. But when people wade into it,

we will stop that.

So I expect the same sort of thing

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that, but we'll certainly discourage anybody from

walking in it because you want to have the

appropriate reverence and respect for the

memorial.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes. It's

interesting because the ledge at points today

doesn't -- it's not continuous. It's -- but for

this section along Pennsylvania -- or I don't

know what this actual road is. Is this -- that's

Pennsylvania also. It's all -- yes.

This section it is continuous, at

least as it exists now. So I think it's just

something that it is what it is, but just curious

how we're thinking about it.

Okay. All right. I think sensing no

further comment, I'd like to entertain a motion

to approve the final site development plans for

this project.

MEMBER MAY: So moved.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And is there a

second?

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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: There is a second.

All those in favor, signify by saying aye?

(Chorus of aye.)



VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Unanimously

approved.

I'd like to thank the World War I

Centennial Commission and the project team for

their continuing efforts to refine this beautiful

design and that honors our veterans of World War

I. We look forward to seeing you when this turns

into a reality. Thank you very much.

Congratulations.

Okay. Looks like it takes a village.

(Laughter.)

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,

NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, NATIONAL MALL,

INDEPENDENCE AVENUE AND DANIEL FRENCH DRIVE,

S.W., WASHINGTON, D.C. - KORAN WAR VETERANS

MEMORIAL WALL OF REMEMBRANCE

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6B is for approval of comments on the concept

plans for Korean War Veterans Memorial Wall of

Remembrance.

And I believe Ms. Lee will be giving

her final presentation here in front of the

Commission as she moves onto an exciting role

with the General Services Administration.

Wish you the best, Ms. Lee.

MS. LEE: Thank you. Good afternoon,

members of the Commission. The National Park

Service has submitted the Korean War Veterans

Memorial Wall of Remembrance for concept review.

This project entails adding a wall to

the existing Korean War Veterans Memorial to

remember the names of the service members who did

not return from the Korean War.

At the Commission retreat last month

you learned about the different stages of review

for a commemorative -- for a new commemorative

work. This commemorative work project is a bit

different because it is an addition to an

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review the Commission should be asking what are

the elements of the proposed design, how does the

design fit within the context, what are the

differences in the design alternatives, and what

is the proposed -- and if -- and is the proposed

design appropriate for the site?

The Korean War Veterans Memorial is

located to the southeast of the Lincoln Memorial

on West Potomac Park. The memorial site has a

symmetrical relationship to the Vietnam Veterans

Memorial site located on the north side of the

Reflecting Pool. Dedicated in 1995, the memorial

occupies 7.5 acres within Ash Woods. It is

surrounded by Ash Road to the north, the U.S.

Park Police stables to the east, Daniel French

Drive to the west, and Independence Avenue to the

south.

The existing Korean War Veterans

Memorial composition has a strong geometry

organized into two distinctive areas. A

triangular Field of Service and a circular Pool

of Remembrance. The memorial also includes a


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flagpole, a granite triangle where the memorial

theme is inscribed, a mural wall, the Freedom is

not Free inscription wall, and low walls with

inscriptions aligning with the visual axis

between the Lincoln and Jefferson Memorials.

Here you can see pictures of existing

conditions. The Field of Service is a sunny area

characterized by the fragrant smell of juniper

bushes. Among the low bushes 19 stainless steel

soldiers walk toward the American flag. In the

background a polished mural wall includes faces

of supporting troops overlapping with the

reflection of the sculptures.

The Pool of Remembrance is a shaded

and secluded circular plaza that fosters quiet

reflection. The American flag is the focal point

of the memorial. The circular fountain buffers

the noise of the surrounding Independence Avenue

traffic. The commemorative grove of linden trees

provides shade as well as circulation of benches

on the ground plain.

In 2016 Congress enacted the Korean


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War Veterans Memorial Wall of Remembrance Act.

This legislation authorized the Korean War

Veteran Memorial Foundation to construct a Wall

of Remembrance at the Korean War Veterans

Memorial. The Act required that the wall include

a list of names of members of the Armed Forces of

the United States who died in the Korean War as

determined by the Secretary of Defense. The

proposed wall include a total of 44,574 names

including the U.S. and the Korean Augmentation to

the United States Army.

The project has six design guiding

principles: Maintaining the integrity of the

original memorial, minimizing the impact of the

proposed wall from the National Mall,

incorporating the new wall as if it had been part

of the original design, limiting the area of

names to less than the name area on the Vietnam

Veterans Memorial, providing a better edge to the

circular plaza, and incorporating the desired

lines of pedestrian travel from the memorial.

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principles, NPS analyzed the Vietnam Veterans

Memorial and determined that the name surface

area for the proposed wall should be less than

2,600 square feet. The proposed text will be

7/16-inch high, organized in columns by service

and rank.

NPS considered several design concepts

for the Wall of Remembrance with differences in

height, materials and composition that

significantly changed the character of the

memorial and the National Mall, created adverse

visual impacts and increased the impervious

surface. It was clear through the consultation

process that all of these options had major

issues and were therefore dismissed.

I'm going to walk you through the

alternatives that were considered but dismissed.

So the first design included an eight-

foot tall wall, a glass wall that enclosed the

Pool of Remembrance. The glass introduced a new

material into the memorial. While transparent,

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A second option included approximately

30 walls radiating from the pool. The proposed

walls alternated between eight and six feet in

height. Again, this alternative created

significant visual impacts and cluttered the

site.

The next scheme replicated the Korean

flag in plain view. Vertical walls ranging from

six to eight feet would be positioned around the

pool. This alternative also created visual

impacts to the memorial and the National Mall.

Another option included a new plaza on

the south side of the existing mural wall. It

included several walls ranging from four to nine

feet in height. This option was dismissed

because it separated the commemorative experience

from the rest of the memorial and did not have

any relationship to the existing circulation.

Given all of these different options,

NPS has selected a low wall alternative as their

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consists of a low wall angled -- a low-angle wall

surrounding an expanded circular plaza. It

entails a low-angle wall integrated into the

landscape as shown in yellow, an expanded

circular plaza shown in pink, two pedestrian

paths shown in blue, and also rehabilitated the

existing memorial.

Here is a section to the Pool or

Remembrance. You can see the existing conditions

on top and proposed conditions at the bottom.

The radius of the plaza will be expanded by nine

feet to provide circulation around the new

curvilinear wall. The existing berm from the

surrounding landscape will be raised from 4 to 10

percent to conceal most of the wall and maintain

reciprocal views of the memorial and the National

Mall.

Here is a view looking west towards

the Lincoln Memorial. The proposed wall will

have a length of 384 linear feet.

Here is a view looking east towards

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will provide an enclosure to the memorial space.

Here is a pedestrian view from Ash

Road. You can see the berm concealing most of

the wall.

Here is a picture looking west from

the flagpole. You can see the proposed Wall of

Remembrance to the left behind the existing mural

wall in here.

Here is a view from the main memorial

entry toward the American flag. You can see the

raised berm behind the existing United Nations

curve.

Here is another view. This is looking

from the southwest memorial entry.

The new paving and wall be constructed

of the same granite used the original memorial.

As you can see, the paving will be larger to

differentiate the new addition.

So in general we comment favorably on

the preferred low-wall concept because it is

consistent with memorial design, it's integrated

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environmental impacts to the National Mall while

improving access and circulation.

So our analysis is organized in four

topics, as you can see listed here.

The first topic is circulation. The

only formal access to the memorial is from the

west via two pathways shown in red. So the

memorial internal circulation starts at the

triangular Field of Service here along the United

Nations wall. It continues around the circular

Pool of Remembrance. From there some visitors

can sit on benches under the linden trees and

walk around the path next to the mural wall

toward Daniel French Drive to the west. The

existing pedestrian circulation will be

maintained with the additional option of walking

along the Wall of Remembrance.

NPS proposes two new connections to

the memorial, one from Ash Road to the north and

one from Independence Avenue to the south. Both

connections will bring visitors directly into the

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the proposed walkways leading directly into the

Pool or Remembrance provide symmetry to the

design, however, they may alter this quiet and

secluded space and the sequence of the existing

memorial.

The proposed connection from Ash Road

will improve the visitor experience and

connectivity of the memorial with the surrounding

context given Ash Road connects the Korean War

Veterans Memorial to nearby memorials and

attractions on the National Mall including the

soon-to-be renovated U.S. Park Police stables

located immediately to the east.

The proposed connection from

Independence Avenue may have less use because it

is located in between the only two crossing on

Independence Avenue, which already have or will

have with the stables project, form a path to Ash

Road. Visitors would likely follow these two

paths to access the memorial from Ash Road as

opposed to walking along the more traffic-prone

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NPS further evaluate how many visitors will be

likely to access the memorial from the proposed

Independence Avenue connection.

The second topic is the proposed wall

design. The proposed wall is consistent with the

geometry of the existing low walls of the Korean

War Veterans Memorial.

As you can see in this section, the

proposed wall will have a granite frame around

the perimeter here, a 16-inch granite strip here

transitioning between the wall and the grass, and

the wall will be eight inches above the berm.

The wall finish will be polished with sandblasted

names to maximize contrast.

Here is a view walking from the

proposed pathway that connects Ash Road to the

memorial. The raised berm conceals most of the

wall while retaining views to the space under the

linden trees and the Freedom is not Free Wall.

As the design evolved we requested the applicant

consider simplifying the wall profile to soften

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open views between the existing memorial

components and the National Mall, provide a

mockup on site segment of the proposed wall to

evaluate how the reflected finish and angle

impact glare and legibility as well as visual

impacts to the memorial and surrounding context.

The third topic is landscape and

visitor experience. The memorial's landscape

design reinforces its formal composition. It is

characterized by a commemorative space composed

of two rows of linden trees around the Pool or

Remembrance that create a circle of pleached

trees and a triangular field of low juniper

bushes emerging from the forest. Any changes to

the landscape should be minimal and avoid

competing with the memorial's formal landscape.

So the memorial has limited seating

opportunities given the size of the overall

memorial site. There are currently seven benches

under the pleached linden trees, as you can see

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provide a landscape plan that incorporates

benches along the proposed walkway that connects

Ash Road to allow for opportunities for rest and

contemplation, and if possible in areas of shade

and low-impact development features integrated

into the proposed berm to comply with federal and

local stormwater management regulations.

Lastly, we request that the applicant

provide a lighting plan of night views of the

proposed wall consistent with the overall

lighting design for the memorial that respects

the hierarchy of memorials and monuments in the

nation's capital, details showing the proposed

improvements to the back side of the existing

mural wall and how the Wall of Remembrance will

terminate at the mural wall, and eye-level views

from Independence Avenue looking north to better

understand the impacts of the proposed design.

To conclude, the Executive Director's

recommendation is for the Commission to comment

favorably on the preferred low-wall concept,

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visitors would likely -- to access the memorial

from Independence Avenue, request that the

applicant consider simplifying the wall profile

to soften the transition into landscape, provide

a mockup of a segment of the proposed wall,

recommend that the applicant provide a landscape

plan with low-impact development features,

benches, request a lighting plan, details showing

the proposed improvements to the back side of the

existing wall and eye-level views from

Independence Avenue.

With this I conclude my presentation.

NPS has provided a mockup, a physical model and

also samples for your review. I'm happy to

provide -- to answer any questions. And the

applicant design team are here as well. Thank

you.

[INSERT - KORAN WAR VETERANS MEMORIAL WALL OF

REMEMBRANCE]


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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you very

much, Ms. Lee, for a very informative and

comprehensive presentation, as usual.

I'd like to open this up for comments

or questions.

MEMBER DIXON: Mr. Chairman, I would

just say that this was a great job, well

presented. And to I guess -- and particularly

tell the staff I'm very sorry to see you have to

leave us and hope you will be -- should be as

rewarding as you deserve moving forward.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Well, that's very nice

of you.

MEMBER DIXON: Well, I mean --

MEMBER WRIGHT: If you're going to

poach, you poach the best.

(Laughter.)

MEMBER DIXON: Well you know what, you

know how to do it.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Yes.

Okay. So I am not a fan of these

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now and it's sort of de rigueur and I hope that

we get over it soon, because it's become a bit of

a cliché. And I kind of -- and I think it's --

it heads us off in a design direction that we

will all live to regret just because there's --

it -- the -- what was so powerful at Vietnam

becomes diluted every time it's repeated. And

yet I understand now that it's become the

standard and if your name -- the name of your

loved one is not written down somewhere, you feel

slighted. So we've created a problem that needs

to be fixed, I think.

Having said all that, I think -- and

I'm not a fan of additions to complete

compositions and it should be avoided, especially

to come back and do this.

However, having read up a little bit

about the history of the war, which my father was

in and never talked about, I think that the

design for the addition is as sensitive and as

fitting as it possibly could be. And I --

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because this is hard to do. And I'll leave it at

that.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Simple is good.

Thank you.

Any other comments?

Yes, Commissioner?

MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: I agree with what's

been said. I think it was done all very

sensitively.

I just -- there was one thing that

struck me. I have two comments: One, if you

could go to the slide where the -- it's the view

from southwest memorial entry. I just -- in my

deck it's No. 27, but I don't know if that helps

you.

(Off microphone comment.)

MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Yes, that's what it

is.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: It won't be here.

MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Yes, I know it's a

different number, but at least maybe it's near

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Yes, that -- so this is the one that

it does feel like a little bit of a different

experience just because it -- there's like a --

it feels like a slice coming right out of -- at

me through the wall. And I just -- I guess I'm

interested in thinking -- in hearing when it

comes back how the design team is thinking about

how this kind of creates a -- two sides now to

the memorial that --

MEMBER MAY: That's the existing --

(Simultaneous speaking.)

MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Oh, I'm sorry.

Thank you. That's -- I thought that was -- well

then never mind.

(Laughter.)

MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Thank you,

Commissioner May.

My only other comment then is really

then on the new paths and just thinking about the

tree plan. I notice it looks like there might be

trees in the way, so insofar as the new landscape

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removed, what additions might be made, I think I

would be interested to hear. Thank you.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I wouldn't mind

commenting on that one just before I -- my other

comments.

I happened to go by here this morning

also because I wanted to view this memorial also,

because it's not one that I've gone to often.

It's sort of a secret to me. It's tucked in on

the -- say the lesser pedestrian-used side of the

Mall, in my opinion.

But I was -- and part of my curiosity

had to do with how it was viewed from

Independence Avenue and how you could access it

and what the impact on the trees would be. And I

was actually amazed at -- even though this

drawing shows sort of a forest, I was amazed at

how I thought we could find a pathway through

there that wouldn't have a lot of tree

intervention, but it would be interesting to see

whether the design team agrees with me.

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to Independence Avenue would be a wonderful thing

because it such a secret, and I know that -- I

heard the comments from staff about questions

about the number of visitors, but I could also

imagine that if this were more of an inviting

opening from Independence Avenue that we might

find more pedestrians using that side of the

street and also wanting access into what right

now is an uninviting -- and there's really no

reason to want to walk on that side of

Independence Avenue even though it has fewer curb

cuts than the southern side of the street.

So I like to imagine this side of

Independence Avenue as becoming a more

pedestrian-inviting kind of place where we might

see people crossing from Martin Luther King and

coming across into the Mall and being invited.

I know there will be another

penetration at the horse barn where we're

renovating that as well. But if there's no

reason to walk on something, then it's going to

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visitors are going to enter from this location.

But if we could imagine and could

create a more inviting pedestrian experience

along Independence Avenue, I think we would get

more people along that route, and we would get

more visitors to this, what I think is somewhat a

secret memorial, and a very important one.

I'll leave my comments there and come

back on other things later.

Is there anyone who could comment on

the vision for a pathway in terms of the impact

on existing trees in the Ash Woods area?

MS. LANZILLOTTA: Good afternoon, I'm

Mary Kay Lanzillotta with Hartman-Cox Architects,

part of the design team. So thank you for your

comments, Commissioners.

Part of the reason for creating both

of these paths is there are desire lines right

now underneath the tree canopies, both to the

southeast and to the northeast. It has created a

problem, actually, for the Park Service. People

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currently along Independence, and, or Ash Road

for that matter, or around the Pool of

Remembrance.

And people are climbing over that

constantly. And so we think it's really to the

benefit, not only for the grove of trees but for

the long-term sustainability of Ash Wood to

actually create those paths that will support the

pedestrians. Since this memorial was built, as

Ms. Lee indicated, there's been a lot of change

to this portion of the Mall.

And I think these paths start to

acknowledge the evolution, the continual

evolution of the site and build upon the

experience the visitors currently have and will

be a more welcoming path, rather than trampling

these poor trees roots and canopy. We believe we

can find a path. We have an arborist on our team

that is helping us make those selections.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And maybe a path

that will minimize any loss of trees?

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our objective.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yeah, okay.

MS. LANZILLOTTA: Both to the

southeast and to the northeast.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right,

Commissioner Trueblood, does that respond to your

question?

MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: It does, and I

agree with you, I mean, I think this can be quite

additive to the memorial. I've only experienced

it through kind of the linear path in the, as you

have in the red arrows right there. And I do

think, obviously there's a desire and a demand

for other ways of accessing this memorial.

MS. LANZILLOTTA: Thank you.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Other comments or

questions? I have some but I'll wait.

Commissioner May?

MEMBER MAY: well, I was going to

respond to some of the issues that have come up.

First of all, I would say to Commissioner

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extent to which they are required in memorials

like this, and I think we all sense that that's

not desirable in every circumstance. And in

fact, other memorials very deliberately steer

away from that.

So for example, with Desert Storm they

will not be listing names, and they're very clear

about that. I think that's very important.

I think another thing that has come up

is this, is the notion that this part of the Mall

has changed, but I think also memorials change.

And as much as we try to predict how people will

enter and exit and experience the memorials, it

often works out to be a little bit different.

And so, for example, at Vietnam

Veterans Memorial, it was originally designed

with a grass buffer between the wall and the

walkway. And it became very clear very early on

that we could not keep people from stepping over

that and touching the wall. And so that memorial

was adapted.

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different circumstance but we had to, an area

where we did not think people would be walking at

all became a place where people walked. And this

band of paving that sort of flanked it had to be

widened because of the trampling of the grass

that surrounded it.

So, and as much as we try to control

how people experience these things and go into

our vast supply of post and chain and start

deploying it everywhere, it's not big enough to

truly keep people from doing things and stepping

over it. Nor do we want it to be that much of a

preventive measure. We're trying to suggest to

people that you should go this way, not that way.

And we do our best with that and live with the

consequences.

In this circumstance, I think one of

the things that is probably happening is that

there are many people who are ascending through

one of the approach paths and then electing to

leave from the circle, from around the Pool of

Remembrance. And there are probably as many


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people leaving from that point as there are

approaching to it.

Because I think it's a little bit

more, when you get to that point, it's like, oh,

well, why don't I walk that way to Ash Road and

then I can go to World War II faster, or I can go

down Independence to Martin Luther King faster.

So I think that it, this is a sensible

kind of approach, and it certainly has to be done

sensitively, and we have to be careful with the

placement of trees and the placement of the path.

I'm not sure that the paths themselves really

accommodate or will accommodate seating or shade,

which those sort of seemed a little bit

contradictory.

But we'll certainly look at that. We

are looking at the question of whether we have

enough seating within the memorial itself as

well.

But I'm so thrilled with the design

solution as it has been developed at this point

for what I thought was going to be an incredibly


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difficult adaptation that I am highly confident

that the design team will able to navigate the

waters and get us through and resolve any of

these questions raised by the staff or by the

Commission today.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you,

Commissioner May. I just want to follow up. I

agree that this is a incredibly sensitive

intervention into this memorial space, and

compliment the design team as well.

I do have a couple of questions. If

we could look at slide 56, I think it is. Yeah,

so this, there's a lot going on right here,

there's a lot of ambition with this corner of the

Wall of Remembrance and where it connects to the

mural wall. And I feel like we're going to add

an inscription as I understand it on the

backside, the south side of the wall.

And we also terminate the Wall of

Remembrance right at the mural wall. Which to me

both creates the possibility for sort of a dead

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conflict potentially with those who might want to

be reading the inscription while others are

reading names along the Wall of Remembrance.

So to me this is something I'd really

like the team to look at for how we resolve that

intersection. What's so nice about the, I know

you don't want to create an opening there that

then would invite people to walk along the south

side of the wall. So I don't think we're looking

for that.

But what's so nice about the way you

have proposed the openings in the Wall of

Remembrance for the two new pedestrian pathways

is that it has the potential, because I want to

comment about that in a second, but it has the

potential for a very elegant kind of natural

entrance into the circular wall. So, but I feel

like it fails at that moment in design.

The other thing I guess if you could

go to 50, please. This is where the berm, and

you commented on this, Ms. Lee, in your comments

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trying to sort of transition and absorb the berm.

And I'm sure there needs to be a lot more design

work done here.

But you know, this can't be it

exactly, right. We need to work on something

that feels like it belonged there. This feels

like certainly an afterthought at this point, and

it is an afterthought. But we need to make it

feel like it's not an afterthought ultimately so

that, you know, decades from now people will come

and feel as though this was always a part of

this.

The thing I like most about the way,

of all the options that were explored and what I

like about this is how it protects the site

lines, which are such an important part of this

memorial. It's such an elegant and defined, you

know, kind of orientation as you use it.

Commission May, as you talked about

people leaving, you arrive there and then like

where do I go. I don't really want to go back

because I just experienced the way you're


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supposed to go, which is to go in. And so this

kind of release to be able to go to either side

is going to be a really nice and welcome thing.

And of course we want to welcome

people coming from Ash Road and Independence

Avenue also into this. So overall, I think these

are minor things that you all can easily address.

I just want to make sure we reinforce those

points when we see it back again. Thank you.

Any other comments or questions? All

right, so is there a motion to approve the -- oh,

Commissioner Wright.

MEMBER WRIGHT: I did have one

question.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: She thinks best

when she's typing.

MEMBER WRIGHT: No, I had a question

about this letter from Mr. Barker about the

inaccuracy of the names, which is one of the

things that's a problem with these walls. He

claims that there's over 1000 errors, that the

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assuming that that is going to be resolved.

Should I assume that?

COLONEL DEAN: Ma'am, my name's

Colonel Richard Dean, I'm the Vice Chairman of

the Korean War Veterans Memorial Foundation. The

way the law's written is the names that are going

to be inscribed on this wall have to be provided

by the Department of the Interior to our

foundation, and they get it from the Department

of Defense.

It's up to the Department of Defense

to provide the names to us. And the Barker

brothers have the opportunity of providing that

data if they want to release it to the Department

of Defense. But right now they want to be paid

for that data. I'll leave it at that.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Oh. This is a

shakedown?

COLONEL DEAN: Could be.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Kind of? Oh, wow.

Well, I'm glad I asked.

COLONEL DEAN: They've spent about 50


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years with this database, and their life is built

into this database they have. They want to be

paid for it. I'll leave it at that.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Okay, so but since no

one's going to, I don't, I mean the drama and

intrigue notwithstanding --

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Can't resist.

MEMBER WRIGHT: This is part of the

problem with an undertaking like this.

COLONEL DEAN: So --

MEMBER WRIGHT: It's the accuracy, and

literally it'll be set in stone. So if the

Barker brothers are trying to get paid for it,

well, okay, that's one thing. But how will DoD

and Interior collaborate to ensure accuracy

without the participation of the Barker brothers?

MEMBER MAY: The legislation states

that the DoD shall provide the list of names one

time. We do not, and we have not in the past

with other memorials, gotten into the business of

vetting any names. So it won't be a

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from them.

And the legislation was written

specifically this way to avoid the process that

has been playing out at Vietnam, where people

continue to want to add names to it. Now, there

are reasons why names get added, and they do get

added. But we rely on DoD to provide those

names. We rely on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial

Foundation to actually add the names.

But you know, again, because this was

further in the past and the records were not as

clear, we actually insisted on this being in the

legislation to make sure that what we got was one

list at one time, and that is what it will be. I

just, you know, I leave it up to DoD to make sure

that it's correct. Got that?

(Laughter.)

COLONEL DEAN: So I'll give you an

inference. If you were an Air Force bomber and

you flew from some island that wasn't near Korea

but you were flying there, the Barker brothers

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even though they weren't in the battle area. And

that's some of those boundaries and definitions

that Department of Defense has to decide on to

fulfill this list.

MEMBER WRIGHT: And so one more

question. So at what, so at what point will the

list, the final list be implemented?

MEMBER MAY: I'm not going to -- look

to my fellow commissioner to answer that.

MEMBER WRIGHT: I mean, I think the

accuracy matters here. And so is it going to,

are, so are they going to deliver? They haven't

made the list already final.

COLONEL DEAN: So our foundation has

submitted three letters to the Secretary of

Defense to provide the list of names to us. They

still haven't provided us the list of names yet.

MEMBER MAY: If we need to weigh in to

try to push that along, certainly we would help

push the Department of Defense to provide the

list of names that they're required to provide

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between now and when the memorial is constructed

to get it all done and finalized.

And you know, we can look at a draft

list of names whenever that's ready or whatever.

But if we want to, you know, at a certain point

we will want to have that final list, and that's

what will be needed in order to construct it.

MEMBER WRIGHT: And one last thing I

swear. So in the design, is there adequate room

for addition if 20 years from now it's discovered

that DoD made a mistake and left a bunch of

people out?

COLONEL DEAN: Yes.

MEMBER MAY: If I might say, I have

advised the design team that even though the

legislation says there'll be one list of names

and one time, that you never know what the

Congress may decide in the future. Right now

they are debating a bill that would add a

significant number of names to the Vietnam

Memorial.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Right.


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MEMBER MAY: And we don't have room

for them.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Right, that's why I'm

asking.

MEMBER MAY: So we, I have advised

them to make sure that we plan for some

additional space.

By the way, next month we'll bringing

another memorial wall with names that needs to be

enlarged.

MEMBER WRIGHT: Exactly, I mean, then

we'll have a billboard over, you know, to the

north.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: We will do

everything we can to plan for that possibility.

This is outside of our control. We understand

the process, thank you for that clarifying.

I'd like to look for a motion to

approve the comments on concept design for --

MEMBER WRIGHT: So moved.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: This memorial

wall.


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MEMBER MAY: Second.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you. All in

favor of the motion, please signify by saying

aye.

(Chorus of ayes.)


Unanimous, thank you. Thank you, Ms. Lee, good

luck to you. We'll miss you.

INFORMATION PRESENTATION

JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY

Okay, we have -- thank you for all the

beautiful exhibits, very helpful, Brian. We have

two information presentations to come. First up

is a presentation on the plans by Johns Hopkins

University for the building now used by the

museum and located within the area covered by the

Pennsylvania Avenue plan and design guidelines.

Ms. Ridgely will walk us through this.

Thank you.

MS. RIDGELY: Good afternoon,

Commission members. We have an interesting

information presentation for you today from Johns


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Hopkins University regarding the conversion of

the Newseum Building located at 555 Pennsylvania

Avenue. This ties into one of the topics from

your Commission retreat related to the regulation

of private facilities.

As you may know, Johns Hopkins is in

the process of purchasing the building and

transforming it into their new consolidated

Washington Campus for advanced academic programs.

They're here today to share some background

information on the project and early design work

on the building renovation.

Before they get started, though, I

would like to briefly share some information on

the upcoming review process related to this

project, as it's a little bit different than most

projects that the Commission sees.

As you may know, land within the

Pennsylvania Avenue Development Corporation

boundary, or PADC boundary, including the private

property located north of the avenue, is subject

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conformance with the PADC's Pennsylvania Avenue

plan, general guidelines, and square guidelines.

The boundary established by an act of

Congress in 1972 is shown in orange here on the

screen. Most of the time, the projects conform

with the existing plan and guideline language,

and staff writes up a delegated EDR. But

sometimes the proposed changes require amendments

to the plan and square guidelines.

And this has happened a few times in

the recent past, including the FBI site in 2015-

16, 1301 Penn in 2009, the former Spy Museum site

up at 8th and F Streets back in 2004, and the

Newseum at an earlier date back in 2003.

As Mr. Flis noted in the World War I

memorial presentation, this area also overlaps

with the Pennsylvania Avenue National historic

site. There are also three historic districts

and the Shipstead-Luce Act in this area.

So what exactly will be amended here?

The PADC developed three levels of planning

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The first level is the PADC plan. It provides

general guidance on how to redevelop and maintain

land within the PADC boundary. The first part of

the PADC plan includes area-wide planning

principles such as land use, transportation

systems, a uniform streetscape and landscape.

The second part of the plan includes

an evaluation of the area on a block-by-block

basis and included potential development

scenarios at a high level. Its last

comprehensive update was back in 1990. So the

Commission will review proposed amendments to the

section on square 491, at 555 Pennsylvania Avenue

in December.

At the second level are the general

guidelines. These highlight the need to employ

best design practices for things like urban

design, historic preservation, pedestrian

circulation, and others. Its guidance is applied

to the entire PADC development area. And there

are no proposed amendments to this document.

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the square guidelines evaluate the square and its

surrounding context for site-specific guidance on

elements like building envelope, build-to lines,

the height, land use, curb cuts, etc. And the

square guidelines are used in conjunction with

local zoning regulations to provide the most

guidance for development.

Now, the Commission will review

proposed amendments to the square guidelines in

spring of 2020.

So these amendments are all triggered

by the proposed change in the overall land use.

In this case, we're shifting from a museum use

over to an educational or institutional use. And

the building design, which includes changes to

the interior gross square footage and the

building's facade, also trigger that proposed

change.

Now, the Commission plays a key role

in this process, and we're going to break it up

into two parts. Part one will cover amending the

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review of the site and building renovations in

December. Now, as I mentioned earlier, the plan

contains more general language on the development

of square 491, which actually also includes the

Canadian Embassy.

If approved, GSA will transmit that

plan amendment to Congress, where it has 60 days

to review the change. If no action is taken, the

amendment is approved.

Part two of this effort will cover

amending the square guidelines along with

preliminary and possibly final review of the site

and building renovations in spring of 2020.

These do not require Commission, or I'm sorry,

Congressional approval.

I hope this provides some information

on the review process. I'm also happy to answer

any questions at the end of the presentation.

Without further ado, I would like to hand things

over to Mr. Mitch Bonanno, the Chief Real Estate

Office for Johns Hopkins, and Richard Olcott, the

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overview on this important project.

MR. BONANNO: Thank you so much.

Commissioners, thank you for hearing us today.

Your staff has been a pleasure to work with and

we greatly appreciate their support so far. We

are very excited to be here today to present the

revisioning of 555 Pennsylvania Avenue to the new

home and DC academic center for Johns Hopkins

University.

We have a long history in DC,

including three buildings that we currently own

on Mass. Avenue near Dupont Circle, as we

mentioned, that house the SAIS program, Krieger

School of Advanced Academic Programs, and the

Carey Business School. These are all graduate

programs that we plan to consolidate to this

location.

With that, I am just going to cover a

brief bit of context. The building as you know

is on Pennsylvania Avenue right at 6th street,

with C Street behind it. Just a couple of

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all know it very, very well, so I will be brief

here.

But just talking about the goals here,

again, we've been in the District for a long time

and we have looked at our future, whether we

renovate the existing buildings, move somewhere

else, consolidate.

Nobody is happy that the Newseum is

closing, but when this opportunity came along and

it was listed for sale, it really just became a

great opportunity to anchor this location. And

we look at this as a hundred-year decision to

make this our academic center.

So we are space-constrained where we

are today, not so much for classrooms but

convening space, flexibility. So this creates a

completely different environment to be able to

host events from Baltimore, vice versa, increase

those connections. Obviously create a

collaborative learning environment and provide

flexibility for the future of higher ed.

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monumental area and location. And we went back

to the original building architect. So Ennead

Architects is the successor firm to the Polshek

Partnership, who designed the original building.

We partnered with the SmithGroup as well, local

DC architect, to come up with this design, and

you will hear from them.

But obviously the historic context,

the scale, the materiality, the local image are

so important, and you'll hear from the architects

themselves about that.

But I want to focus on this last one,

enliven and extend the hours along Pennsylvania

Avenue. We feel like we really bring a different

use to this area, and are actually really excited

about this area for that reason, especially the

open space across the street and the fountain.

And you'll see in the design, we've

tried to design an entrance that we feel like

connects those. We think it will be used by

students, faculty, visitors, and others off

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weekend programs, so we're really excited about

having that space nearby.

I just want to point out this was a

very purpose-built facility. What works well as

a museum does not really work well for a higher

ed space. So light was purposefully restricted

into this building to create exhibit space, so a

lot of our design is opening up the facade to get

more light into the building.

And as you can see or may know, the

entire back of the building on C Street is a

residential building that is part of this project

as well, but it doesn't allow the ability to get

light in from the back of the building at all.

And then just to the east of it is the Canadian

Embassy, so that's a blank wall as well.

So focused on the facade, getting

light into the building, opening up the space and

making it possible for the future of higher ed.

And with that, I'm going to turn the

presentation over to Richard Olcott with Ennead

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happy to answer any questions later. Thank you.

MR. OLCOTT: Good afternoon, everyone.

I think you've all seen, you know well this

building. And maybe I should just make a few

comments on the, as was mentioned, this is

obviously a purpose-built building for a major

museum program, and a large part of the original

idea of this building was this great big window,

which allowed you to literally see into the

building and see the big screen inside.

That actually represents a lot of real

estate, that big window, that big opening in the

facade. I think they paid a terrible for all of

that lost square footage. And so that's one of

the things I think that our clients, Johns

Hopkins, realized that there was a lot of really

fantastic space that could be had there.

So I'm going to just go through the

various changes here that we are proposing. And

first and foremost of them is actually to infill

that window because it does not serve the

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really, what we're proposing to do is primarily

do work on the, I'm going to call it the first

bar.

You see the number one there, there

are three big kind of linear bars that make the

diagram of this building. So firstly, to infill

that large opening.

And then you'll see to reclad that the

volume itself, which is currently almost entirely

glass in stone, I am going to talk more about

that in a moment, all while optimizing the

daylight, as Mitch mentioned. Because actually,

although it is glass, a lot of it is not

transparent glass.

We are also proposing to reclad the,

to redo the fins on the second bar so that they

have more to do with that of the first. And then

the third one, to infill those small, there are

two little small balconies that are let into the

facade. You see the little squares on the top

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elevator bulkhead that you see in the very top of

the building. We're putting an entirely new

elevator core in the building because currently

in museums where their elevators take you from

the basement to the roof, you know, and then you

walk all the way down. That is obviously not a

diagram that works for an academic building

that's got hundreds of people moving between

floors.

And then lastly, and most importantly

I think for today, we want to talk about the

urban condition of this building and the

streetscape. We are proposing to relocate the

entrance, which is currently in the center of the

facade, underneath the cantilever and move it

east towards the Capitol and make it larger, more

apparent, more welcoming and actually build out a

plinth that you'll see in a lot more detail in a

moment.

Currently, the building, you have to

go in and go up 18 inches to get in, the first

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and we're also proposing to open up a lot of the

space to the east, where it's wider, to create a

new publicly accessible café space and really try

and generate more street life than the building

currently provides.

So, let me go -- and on the inside,

this is a section through the building, what you

see is actually we're reordering a lot of the

floors and actually removing some and adding

others in order to get better and more flexible

appropriate ceiling height space for an academic

institution.

We are, as I mentioned, infilling the

big window you see on the right, where it's new

slabs. And we are maintaining but slightly

reshaping the very large atrium, which becomes

the kind of central focus of the building.

As you can see here, we are calling it

kind of a vertical quad, in which all of the

different programs of the building actually kind

of present themselves on the atrium and also

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try and bring light into that space and get light

deep back into the building.

So, on the ground floor here, as I

mentioned, you can see, and you'll see this in a

lot more detail in a moment, but there is a new

and very wide entrance in the center flipped to

east towards the Capitol.

We are proposing to have a very

shallow kind of feathered ramp that you see where

it says, Welcome zone there, that takes you up

slightly. And then a set of very shallow steps.

And then you enter the building in a much wider

vestibule than you do currently.

And you see to the right, where

they're shown in purple there, public access into

the building to a new café kind of food service

facility and a lot of hopefully seating on the

sidewalk itself to create a kind of much more

lively condition than currently exists.

Also on the left, some sort of program

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more vibrant. Currently, as you know, there is

all of those newspapers that are wonderful to

look at, but you can't see into the building

beyond them really.

So there's a significant amount of

change you can see inside the building. There is

the new elevator core, straight to the back. As

I go forward here, so in terms of the facade

treatment, this is a diagram showing the, how the

building was originally conceived so that the

first bar lines up with the building to the west

of where the Capital Grille is.

And the second bar is aligned with the

Canadian Embassy to its east. And that is not

changing in any way. In fact, really the only

change to the bulk at all that I mention is one,

to infill the window and two, the very small

addition to elevate bulkhead on the roof.

And you'll see here same thing is true

in elevation. All of those alignments that were

originally created when this building was done 12

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Canadian Embassy on it first setback and its

second setback, and also the third one, which

touches the top of the National Gallery set

height across the street. All of that remains in

place.

In terms of materials, we're very

interested in trying to take our place on

Pennsylvania Avenue among a number of very

distinguished buildings and trying to adapt a

palette that would be contextual and be

neighborly to that.

So we've been looking carefully at

using actually Tennessee marble if we are able

to. There's an ongoing discussion with that

quarry, which is, as you all know, the same stone

as the East Building and the West Building of the

National Gallery.

And then various other materials that

are intended to create a kind of warm palette

that has very much to do with the institutional

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this is a detail of the stone wall. We are

proposing, as I mentioned, to clad that first bar

in stone and also a glass that has a copper inner

layer. Again, providing kind of warm color.

Currently the building has a lot of

green and very cool colors on it, which we found

to be maybe not as contextual as it could be. So

this is all really in the service of trying to

fit in better than we do now.

So this is what that proposal looks

like, and there is still conversation. By the

way, I should add we did go to the Commission of

Fine Arts two weeks ago and received a concept

approval, conditional on further exploration of

the actual stone type and finish, and so we're

still working on that. But in general it was

very enthusiastically received.

And this has to do with the major move

here is to kind of, to rethink the big window and

create a big aperture, which really references

itself as it did before to the Canadian Embassy

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big gesture that is down the avenue to the

Capitol.

You see a floating volume in there,

which is a very big gathering space that's part

of the program that'll be a flexible meeting

room, theater, gathering space that'll be really

part of the heart and soul of the program. And

you can also see, you'll see in more detail, the

plinth that I described that extends out slightly

from under that cantilever.

As I go forward here I can show you a

few other views. Here, showing a little more

zoomed in from the other corner looking at the

corner entrance, sliding it down and making it

much more apparent than it is now and opening it

out to this new public plaza space that will have

café facilities in it you see there to the very

right in the image.

So a word, a few more words but now in

detail on the entrance. Here's the existing

condition and certainly it's true, it's where's

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it is between the newspapers there in the center.

And it should also be noted this was

actually a design very much predicated on the

idea that there are lines of people that have to

go through security and get a ticket and do all

those sorts of things.

So in this building you enter into

that rather dark opening. You'll see here a plan

in a moment. There where it says 555, there's a

recessed entrance. You walk into that small

overhang, the outside space, through a vestibule,

and then you go right and you go left and you go

up a ramp and go through metal detectors, etc.,

etc.

So we're proposing to kind of untwist

that sequence so that you can go straight into

the building, it's much more apparent, and

actually pull out a plinth so that it becomes a

more welcoming and gracious way to enter the

building than it currently is.

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all the while here, we just wanted to talk about

that condition. If you see in orange, I mean in

yellow, rather, on the top you see in the larger

context what actually happens. Although the

sidewalk gets very wide, the effective width of

it isn't really that at all because the embassy

has a phalanx of planters all the way around it

that are forty-some feet away from the building.

That's their security perimeter, where you are

heavily discouraged from walking.

So the effective sidewalk where it

says A and B there is 14 foot 8, which is the

clear distance between the tree pits that are out

by the street. Same is true if you keep going

east and they have a gate over their driveway.

And if you kept going farther east to the park

there, it has a flight of steps all the way along

it, the same 14 foot 8.

So what we're proposing is to -- and

you can see also in the dark blue, the

cantilever, that's the line of the building

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you cross the street to the west, it actually

gets a little narrower, the affected width there

in front of the Capital Grille at 601.

So, here now you see this is something

we were looking at as an idea of a precedent,

which is a very wide and shallow plinth that

takes you up very slightly, and then you enter

the building in a much more welcoming way than

the way it currently is configured, under the

overhang, again.

So this is what, this is now the

proposed solution, and you see a much wider

vestibule with four pairs of doors that take you

in, either from the east, from the plaza, or from

the south, from the avenue itself, a pair of

planter plinth walls on either side of some very

long and shallow steps there.

There are three steps up, and then as

you get to the western side, there's a shallow

ramp because what's actually happening is the

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So there's a very commodious plinth

that is pulled out, but it's still maintaining

the width of that sidewalk all the way across,

aligning with the planters from the embassy. And

then under the cantilever above you into a glass

vestibule.

Which and so here you see that in

slightly more detail, the property line in red,

the overhang of the building in blue. And how,

and so those planters are actually out there at

the same line again as the one that is coming

from the embassy next door, and a very wide and

gracious plinth to stand on before we enter the

vestibule and the building itself.

And that, this is what that might look

like. The stair tower exists and will remain,

the glass stair tower, but the new front bar of

the building reclad in hopefully Tennessee marble

and with a very nice place to sit, to gather on

the front there. The steps to the left, and a

very shallow ramp where you see the two people

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And then here you see that again from

the west side looking east and something much

more visible looking in through the glass there

to see much more activity and life inside the

building than currently one can do.

And with that, I think Mitch, you want

to say a few words about the schedule.

MR. BONANNO: Don't go far.

MR. OLCOTT: Okay.

MR. BONANNO: So we were asked just to

talk briefly about a schedule for the project.

So obviously we are here in October now. We do

plan to go back to CFA again just to work through

the facade comments we received and assure we are

good for their future approval when we submit

building plans.

And then we have a formal hearing with

a requested action from this group in December.

So the January CFA, that will be optional,

depending on how the second review goes. And

then obviously working with you all to finalize

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1 review. Hopefully by the spring, actually in for

2 building permit.

3 And we plan to acquire the building

4 sometime this summer and start construction very

5 shortly thereafter. And it will take about two

6 and a half years to do this significant amount of

7 work on the building before we are moving folks

8 over.

9 So, thank you very much and happy to

10 answer any questions.

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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you very

much, gentlemen. Thank you, good to see you,

Mitch. Any comments, questions at this time?

This is a very ambitious undertaking to be sure.

Yes.

MEMBER DIXON: I just wondered is the

space you now use on Mass Avenue going to be

combined with here also?

MR. BONANNO: So we're going to

consolidate all the programs from Mass. --

MEMBER DIXON: Everything, okay.

MR. BONANNO: And our intent is

actually to likely sell the buildings on Mass.

Avenue thereafter.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: It was a little

bit hard to follow some of the description of the

plan and so forth, and appreciate your

information. But you know, understanding the

entryway and the plinth, I don't know if there's

a way that we'll get to see materials in advance

so we can look at them in the future before we

see, hear, you know, hear your presentation would


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be beneficial.

Because there's a lot going on in this

building, and the, I'm, you know, this is such a

dramatic space in a very important location. And

I can feel the weight of your decision-making as

you're trying to balance all of the aspects of

function and form and design. And we'll, I know

that we're going to be very interested in how you

resolve all that in your concepts going forward.

Any other questions or comments? No?

Okay, well thank you so much, we appreciate the

time and the information at this state.

MR. OLCOTT: Thanks very much.

INFORMATION PRESENTATION

ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY SOUTHERN EXPANSION

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. And the

last item on the agenda is also an information

presentation on the Arlington National Cemetery

southern expansion, another very important

undertaking here in this region.

Mr. Hart will give the presentation,

thank you.


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MR. HART: Yeah, I wasn't sure how

ambitious your walk was this morning, so I wasn't

sure you got a --

(Laughter.)

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: No, I'd probably

get run over by the time.

MR. HART: You know, it's, you know,

it's you never know. It could have been a very,

you know, interesting walk for you.

MEMBER WRIGHT: He did a step count on

Pennsylvania Avenue.

(Simultaneous speaking.)

MR. HART: Korean War memorial. This

is, you know, go across the Memorial Bridge, just

about --

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I'll probably hit

it next time though.

MR. HART: So good afternoon, members

of the Commission. The Arlington National

Cemetery representatives are here today to

present an overview of the southern expansion

project, which is located of course at Arlington


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National Cemetery in Arlington County, Virginia.

This presentation is in anticipation

of this project being formally submitted to the

Commission for review by the end of this year.

So this is the second of two recent

expansion projects at the cemetery. The first

was the Millennium Project, which the Commission

approved back in 2013. This 23-acre site

included approximately 22,000 new burial spaces.

The Millennium Project, which you see here in the

northwestern portion of the Arlington National

Cemetery, took several years to complete, and it

opened in September 2018.

The southern expansion site, which is

also shown at the bottom of this slide, is

located just south of the existing, the southern

portion of the existing 624-acre cemetery

property. The cemetery, the Arlington National

Cemetery folks, the staff, note that this

expansion will increase the cemetery burial

capacity by 40-60,000 first internment spaces.

And just for your information, first


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internments refer to the first member of a family

laid to rest at one of the burial spaces at the

cemetery.

So as you may be aware, the southern

expansion site was the, at least a portion of it,

was the former home of the Navy Annex Building,

which is shown here. You can actually see the

Air Force Memorial in the image on the right.

The Washington Headquarters Services transferred

this land to the US Army in 2012. The building,

the Navy Annex Building was demolished, and the

site is currently vacant.

So this is the site, which is outlined

with this dotted line. It is, as you can kind of

tell, divided by a number of roadways. In order

to allow for a larger contiguous land area for

burials, the cemetery expansion project will

necessitate changes in the existing roadway

configuration.

And to put that in a little context,

you really wouldn't want to have any burial space

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of the cemetery. So this project will require a

change in the current land ownership,

particularly with Southgate Road, which you see

identified here, kind of in the middle of the

slide, and Columbia Pike, which kind of cuts

through this side, and I'll show those in a

little bit more detail.

Landowners in this area include the

federal government, the Department of the Army.

The area in yellow is the former Navy Annex site.

You see Arlington National Cemetery, which is

actually the area that's kind of pink-purplish at

the top of the site, and the Air Force Memorial,

which the Air Force has a 50-year permit from the

Army for the memorial site.

The state government also has some

property here. This is the Virginia Department

of Transportation. You see the area that's kind

of in orange in the bottom left hand portion of

this site, which is the west, there is a VDOT,

Virginia Department of Transportation, salt dome.

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has a number of roadways, Southgate Road,

Columbia Pike, and South Joyce Street, that cut

through the site. And as the project is reliant

on the Columbia Pike realignment, discussions

concerning the transfer and compensation terms

for this land have been ongoing for several years

with Arlington County and VDOT, and this is,

these are still ongoing.

Columbia Pike is a major connection

point into Pentagon City, which is to the south

of this, and Crystal City from the rest of

Arlington County. If you're not aware, 395

actually kind of makes somewhat of a barrier for

getting into both Crystal City and Pentagon City,

and Columbia Pike provides that access.

So the realignment here, which is

shown in white, has been an integral part of this

project. This realignment is the result of an

extensive conversation between the Army and

various stakeholders, including Arlington County

and VDOT. This roadway is now part of the, of a

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really what you're seeing here.

The portions of the road network that

will be removed are kind of hatched. This

defense access roadway project has its own

process that is being overseen by the Federal

Highway Administration. And this will need to be

submitted for Commission review in the future.

So with that kind of background, I'd

like to welcome Mr. Gregg Schwieterman, who is

the Senior Project Manager with HNTB, the

consultant for the project, who will provide an

overview of the project design, focusing on the

major land use changes for the cemetery, the

multi-modal corridor through the site,

topographic challenges with the site, and the new

entrance into the cemetery.

Thank you, and welcome, Mr.

Schwieterman.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Thank you, Carlton.

We appreciate the opportunity to introduce the

project to the Commission, and we want to thank

Arlington National Cemetery and the US Corps of


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Engineers for trusting us with this tremendous

responsibility.

This truly will be a transformative

project for this area. As we go through it,

Carlton already stole much of my thunder on all

the major components, but we'll go over the

program overview. I'd like to talk to you a

little bit about how the program's evolved.

We started this process five years ago

after a master plan, so I believe it was Mr.

Fountain said the years he's had into it, he's

probably one of the few people who can

commiserate with how challenging these projects

can be. But we wouldn't have it any other way.

The other things we'll hit on are some

of the design objectives so you're clear on what

we're trying to achieve through this design. And

then the design challenges and opportunities that

come along with a project like this and the site.

I'll go over existing conditions

briefly. You can see in context here how the

southern expansion ties to both the Memorial


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Avenue, Eisenhower, which is that main

thoroughfare, and then obviously you have

Millennium on the upper left hand corner.

On the left side, you can see the

dashed-in site area, but you can see on the

righthand side we placed the program on the site

so you can understand why we call it

transformative.

You can really see how this edge

condition's going to change and tie together this

monumental corridor of commemorative sites, with

the 9/11 Memorial, the potential future 9/11

Visitor Education Center, the Air Force Memorial,

and Arlington National Cemetery.

As we look a little closer at the

site, just to go over the existing conditions one

more time so you can understand the context we're

in, you got Joint Base Myer Henderson Hall to the

west. We also have Foxcroft Heights, that poses

some challenges. Arlington National Cemetery

doesn't have any residential sites adjacent to it

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We have Columbia Pike, the Air Force

memorial, the VDOT facility, 395, VA 27, VA 27 to

the far east of the project. You note the

Pentagon Memorial, as well as the existing

service complex. And as we look out, we're going

to transform the overall program. These are the

major components that are going into the cemetery

expansion, starting with our predecessor project.

The predecessor project is the defense

access road project. That is a separate project

being led by the Federal Highway Administration.

It's funded by the DoD for impacts on DoD

activities on the community. And it's more than

just a roadway realignment, it's also realigning

utilities, which are important. You can't inter

on top of utilities.

So that's our predecessor project,

which makes what Carlton mentioned, Southgate

Road, a partial demolition and partial demolition

of South Joyce and Columbia Pike possible by a

new road, which is South Nash running on the west

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And then you can see we took, if you

will, the hump out of Columbia Pike, which

shortened Joyce Street, and really took the

cloverleaf on the far east side of VA 27 and

turned it into a tight diamond.

So that's our existing condition, so

we're sort of designing, it's challenging for the

team because you're designing to a future

condition that isn't there yet and it's changing

with negotiations with the different

stakeholders.

But what that leaves us with is the

potential future site for the 9/11 Visitor

Education Center, which is the on east side of

South Joyce St. You have the south parcel. On

that south parcel you have an access control

point, a parking garage that'll provide parking

for visitors to Arlington National Cemetery,

visitors to the Air Force Memorial, and employees

for the new ops complex.

You'll note that to -- we maximized

interable space by relocating the existing


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service complex south of Columbia Pike. And to

do that, we had to, we have to design a tunnel

underneath Columbia Pike to connect to the

cemetery.

This is where we were at 15 percent

design. This is an important moment because some

of the major things that impact circulation occur

between 15 percent and 35 percent, notably, the

Air Force Memorial.

You'll notice the way the Air Force

Memorial was designed today, it is a peninsula

off of Columbia Pike. You can see it's designed

really to provide vehicular access off of

Columbia Pike, and the design at 15 percent

didn't embrace it. It really, for all intents

and purposes, put a wall around that site.

The other major change for us, you'll

see for access to south of Columbia Pike, we had

it off of, or access to the south parcel, excuse

me, we had it off of Columbia Pike. The cemetery

put the requirement on it that every vehicle

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So if you're familiar with the

requirements for access control points, that's a

pretty darn tight site to try to make one work.

That drove the access to South Joyce Street. So

the 35 percent site plan looks like this.

To recap on the major evolution of the

project, you can see here we've tried to

integrate the Air Force Memorial into the

southern expansion design. You see we moved that

access point to South Joyce Street. And overall,

I think it's a good time now to touch on our

design objectives.

So with the contiguous land for the

cemetery expansion, our primary objective is to

have a seamless expansion. We don't want to walk

away from this project and have people know it as

the southern expansion project. It will be

Arlington National Cemetery when we are complete.

For the Air Force Memorial, we touched

on it. You'll notice we're restricting vehicular

access now. There will be no more public access

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will be driven to the garage or will visit it

from within the cemetery.

To put that in a little bit of

context, the Air Force Memorial currently has

350,000 visitors a year, and the cemetery has 3.5

million visitors. As you imagine, when people

visit this, there's going to be a whole different

experience for visitors coming from the cemetery

side.

We can't just put a wall around that,

so this is an extremely sensitive part of the

design that we're looking forward to the

Commission's opinions on it, we're working with

the Commission of Fine Arts, we're working with

the Air Force District Washington, as well as the

Army.

The other design objective is Columbia

Pike. This realignment we're working closely

with the federal highways because we want this to

be a model multi-modal corridor, more of a

parkway. It should not only provide a, I think

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and eight-foot sidewalk on the north side as well

as a eight-foot sidewalk on the south side.

But the additional landscaping serves

to make that more of a parkway and continues the

language and vocabulary of Arlington National

Cemetery.

We can't make 395 go away, we can't

change the flight path of the helicopters to the

Pentagon, but we can do what we can. And we

think that as we do that and we look at Columbia

Pike, we look at that really consistent with what

we want to do in that south parcel.

So the objective of the south parcel

is really to disappear and to continue that

vegetative buffer of the Columbia Pike off of the

cemetery. So from the cemetery, it continues to

provide that acoustic and visual buffer. And

from 395, and you'll see in fly-through here

momentarily, it really becomes a landscape base,

a datum if you will, for the Air Force Memorial.

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soon as you get on 395, this is one of the most

visually prominent memorials in the nation. It

is, we've all grown to love it, it's a beautiful

memorial, and we don't want to detract from it.

We want people to look right over the ops complex

and south parcel at this memorial.

So to do all this, there are a lot of

challenges. We have a lot of stakeholders. We

have a lot of access challenges. There's a

challenging topography. This side here you can

see we have over 100 feet of drop from west to

east. And really, that provided a lot of

opportunities.

If you've been to Arlington National

Cemetery, the rolling topography is really one of

the most beautiful aspects, and we've worked very

hard in design to make sure that we maintain

that.

It also provided us an opportunity to

depress the ops complex so we could get access

under that tunnel without a major impact to the

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discussed earlier.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Excuse me, can you

just say where the tunnel's coming through? It's

hard to tell.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes.

MR. HART: Here, I can do it.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Where is it?

MR. HART: So it's, the tunnel itself

is coming through right about here. And it comes

through and then it goes this way.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: So at about here.

MR. HART: Yes, sir.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you. It

wasn't where I was seeing it. Thank you.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: And that really,

sir, has a lot to do with where those elevations

are. That is the high point. We also want to

make sure we didn't preclude the opportunity for

streetcars in the future. So there are a lot of,

it's one of those projects where you tug on the

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here. And it was a real balancing act.

I'll also point out the tunnel in the

fly-through, I don't know if the fly-through, I

think you may have to do it.

MR. HART: I'm not sure if, I wasn't

sure if anything was actually starting with this.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Let's see. There

you go. So this is a, this sort of gives you

some of the ideas of what we're challenged with

from a topography, view shed, access standpoint.

This is the site, and then hopefully this is my

big whizbang thing, so if this doesn't work, I

don't have much left. Here we go.

MR. HART: I didn't realize this

actually worked.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: It's a video. So

this is, it helps to give you sort of that

perspective, right. You come down. This is that

view from VA 27 when you come past the Pentagon

on the left and that wall on the right. It's

this great view of the cemetery and the Air Force

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the background.

We were very deliberate on landscaping

to mimic the vocabulary of the existing cemetery.

So as you come around, we use that Air Force

Memorial really as a visual anchor, and we don't

do that just here. We think of that as really an

anchor to our southern expansion.

You get a look at the columbaria, the

goal of this columbaria is really to be less

inward looking and more a part of the cemetery.

And that's why we bring that landscaping in. You

get a glimpse of that tunnel there, sir. And it

curves around and it doesn't show so well here.

But it's right to the left of those garage doors.

And you can see how we really

depressed down that so from here, that really

functions great for the cemetery. But from the

outside perspective, it just completely

disappears from view.

So as you come down here you'll get a

little bit of glimpse of what you're going to see

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it can be a stopping point.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And this is

parking here for the visitors, or what?

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes. So it, we

have to be super clear. We never intend to

replace Memorial Avenue, and that is the primary

access. However, what we did want to do is

provide parking for the Air Force Memorial and

maybe visitors to loved ones on that side of the

cemetery.

And then also we have a requirement to

provide parking for the employees that will be

working at the ops complex.

MEMBER DIXON: So that entrance can be

used by businesses to the cemetery.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes.

MEMBER DIXON: If they have the right

credentials.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: So I have three

vignettes that kind of speak a little bit to

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looking up to the Air Force Memorial, and you'll

get a little bit of that landscape frame we

described.

The second image is going to be just

where you spoke of, sir, it's going to be right

at that access point. We're going to introduce a

new pedestrian access screening building. We

talk about that, it's, there's a new requirement,

if you've been to ANC recently, now you have to

be screened.

This facility is more akin to the

screening at the Ord Weitzel gate, which is a

tent, than it is to the Welcome Center. So think

of it more as a glorified, you know, it's a

really understated building to provide security,

not just for the cemetery, but it's an

opportunity to combine that for the Air Force as

well. So we're working with them so you don't

have the double requirement to have security.

And then when you get into the

cemetery at that point, you have the option, you

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the trolley, you go to the columbaria. So really

what we want to do is provide that flexibility.

And I think there's a couple more

slides after that, but the other one you'll see

it's within the cemetery, and you'll really see

how powerful the Air Force Memorial, it already

is, but you don't know how to get to it. And

we're excited about tying that in to our --

MEMBER DIXON: How does it connect to

Pershing Drive, or what drive does it connect to?

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: So it'll come down

Eisenhower, and then all those roads you see

there.

MEMBER DIXON: Right, I got you, okay.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Right now they're

alpha, beta, you know, that's a whole, that's out

of my pay grade.

MR. HART: I think that, is this the

tip of --

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Eisenhower.

MR. HART: Eisenhower?

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MR. HART: And can you move forward.

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: I'm trying, here we

go. So here we are, we're at South Joyce with

the realigned Columbia Pike push-down. You get a

glimpse there on the right, a Sheraton Gate.

That's a historic gate, we wanted to tip our hat

to the past.

It's a gate that is currently in

storage that we're going to reconstruct at the

intersection of South Joyce to give it sort of

this monumental arrival point to let people know

that, you know, this is Arlington National

Cemetery.

It will be a folly. It is not going

to be a functional gate, because once you have a

functional gate, you're going to have a

tremendous footprint of requirements for

security. So it's really going to be they could

use it on special occasions, but it's more of a

folly than it is an actual, functional gate.

You get a glimpse of the Air Force

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and you'll get a look at the proposed access

building. But here you get a look at that

landscape frame and the access point off of South

Joyce Street.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I mean, this makes

Columbia, so this is Columbia that I'm looking

left to right here, yeah?

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes, so you're

looking west, sir.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: This looks, makes

Columbia Pike look very tame, very --

MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Twenty-five miles

an hour, sir.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Can't wait to see

it.

MR. SCWIETERMAN: And I think one of

the advantages we have is right there, is the

intersection at the Freedman's Bridge there. You

do taper off a lot of the traffic, but I won't

attest to how fast I drive on Columbia Pike.

So here you are with your back to the

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visitor experience south of Columbia Pike. And

you can see that's, if you're familiar with the

Air Force Memorial, that's the existing Air Force

Memorial sign on the right. On the left is the

dedication sign.

We're proposing moving that. We're

working with Air Force now and CFA, and we'd love

your feedback on what exactly is the right level

of movement. And you can see the road, the

pedestrian access point over the roadway

crosswalk there. We hope that crosswalk is to be

signalized, not just with flashing yellows, but

to your point with Columbia Pike traffic, it

would be nice to have it be a full, signalized

intersection.

And you can see the Cobble Gate. We

want to underplay that because that will be more

for dignitaries than for the general public. And

this is that view that we spoke of, it's really,

there's a couple great locations in Arlington now

where you get this view, and we're really excited

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I mean, the challenges we have moving

forward are going to be integrating the Air Force

Memorial and just general integration of the

project into the existing cemetery. The other

major one we spoke of a little bit is going to be

access, not just pedestrian security access, but

vehicular access.

And the other one is going to be the

topography, which we really see as a huge

opportunity, and we're really proud of the design

team for the way they've integrated that

topography into some really creative solutions

for the cemetery.

With that, this is an enlarged plan.

But I think for the anticipated design schedule

moving forward, the slide sort of speaks for

itself. And we'd love to answer any questions

from the Commission.

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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Well, thank you,

Mr. Schwieterman. I mean, this is really

literally moving heaven and earth for this

project. Mr. Dixon?

MEMBER DIXON: I would also, I think

it's very interesting and exciting. I happen to

have to have been, maybe the only person here,

maybe some staff that was around when we decided

where the Air Force Memorial would be finally.

And it was a huge battle, like you how bad, big

it was. We wanted to be over by Iwo Jima. And

it was a tremendous amount of money we spent in

planning that. It was a great site too.

But then they gave this to us, gave it

to us, I mean gave it to the Air Force. And it's

amazing how it's now becoming a very important

centerpiece in the whole thing.

VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Comments or

questions? This is a lot to absorb. This is

really important. Thank you for helping us to

begin to understand the extent of the work that

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3 So we look forward to that, and we

4 appreciate your time. Thank you very much.

5 MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Thank you.

6 VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right. I

7 think if there aren't any further comments or

8 questions, I think this concludes today's open

9 session agenda. And if there's no other

10 business, we're adjourned.

11 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter

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C E R T I F I C A T E

This is to certify that the foregoing transcript

In the matter of: Commission Meeting

Before: NCPC

Date: 10-03-19

Place: Washington, DC

was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under

my direction; further, that said transcript is a

true and accurate record of the proceedings.

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