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Bulletproof Radio Podcast #303, Rave Mehta

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Speaker1: BulletproofRadio,astationofhigh-performance.

DaveAsprey: Heyit'sDaveAspreywithBulletproofRadio.Today'scoolfactoftheday,isthatifyouwereanaverageperson,whichyou'renot,becauselet'sfaceit,you'reinterestedinhigh-performance,highperformersandnotaverageperformers,butlet'sassumeyou'reanaveragepersonandyouyelledconsistentlyforeightyears,sevenmonths,andsixdays,youhadproducedenoughenergytoheatonecupofcoffee,unlessofcourseyou'remymother-in-law,inwhichcaseitmightbealittlebitlesstime.Justsaying.Fortunately,Idon'tthinkshe'slisteningtothis,sorry,ifyouare.

Ifyouhaven'thadachancetocheckoutthegreenwavefilteronbulletproof.com,youshould.Ikeeptheselittlethingspluggedin,inmykid'sbedrooms,inmyoffice,andwhattheydoistheyfilteroutrandomemanationsfromyourhouseholdwiring.It'snotafullprotectionbutit'soneofthoseharmminimizationstrategiesthatIfollow.We'rehavingbasicreverberationswithinyourhouseholdwiring,doesn'tmakeforacalmelectromagneticenvironment.Filteringthoseoutcanimprovesleepquality.I'vecertainlynoticedthatwithafewclientsandI'venoticedthatmyself.IhaveagreenwaveEMIfilterpluggedin.It'snotabigpartofwhatIdoatBulletproofbutit'ssomethingthatIreallyrarelytalkabout,Ithinkyoumightbenefitfromthat.Checkitoutonbulletproof.com.

Today'sguestisgoingtobeamazingandthisisapodcastI'vewantedtodoforawhilebecausehe'saninterestingentrepreneurbuthe'salsoreallytalkingabouthackingfear.I'mtalkingaboutRavéMehta,who'sabest-sellingauthorofabookcalledTheInventor:TheStoryofTesla,whichisabest-sellingnon-fictiongraphicnovelbasedonNikolaTesla,who'soneofmypersonalheroes.He'salsoaTEDspeaker,aprofessor,andacomposer,apianist,andaguywho'sreallyfocusedonwhat'sgoingoninsideyourhead.


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Ravé,welcometotheshow.

RavéMehta: Thankyou,Dave.Greattobehere.

DaveAsprey: Now,wehangoutwithalotofthesamepeople.YouwerejustsayingthatyousawStevenKotlerandRobertCooperwhoweretwoofthespeakersfromTheBulletproofConference,kindofaneuroscientistbutnotlookingatfixingproblems,withneuroscientistlookingatenhancingperformance,there'sanewsideofneuroscience.Howdidyougettoknowallthesekindsofpeople?

RavéMehta: Weactuallyjustmetthroughothermutualfriendsofsimilarinterests.Steven,Imetoverayearagoandhe'sjustamazing.Hisbooksareamazingandwhathe'sdoingisamazing,completelyalignedwithmyinterests.ThenRobert'saninnovationexpert,alongthelinesofwhatIdoaswell,andsomeoftheothers,youhadaprettygoodgroup,aprettygoodcrewatyourconference.Ilookforwardtoseeingyounextyear.

DaveAsprey: Awesome.We'llmakesureIgetyousometicketsfornextyear.It'soneofthosethingswhere,whenyousurroundyourselfwithpeoplewhoareaskingbigquestionslikethataroundfear,innovation,flowstate,andoneofthethingsthat'sessentiallyaboutyou,isyou'veactuallyfocusedwhatyoudospecificallyoneachofthosethings.ThenyoutieditalltomusicwhichisnotsomethingthatIhavetheskillstodo.

Let'stalkaboutfear,becausethisisoneofthosethingsthatIdidn'trealizewasaffectingmyperformanceasahumaninrelationships,asanentrepreneuratallinmy20's.Ittookmeawhiletoevenrecognizewhatitwas.Whatisfeartoyou?

RavéMehta: That'sabigquestion.Feartomeistheone...Letmebackupactually.Inmyresearch,Ispent15yearskindofhacking,researching,chasingfear,justtounderstandwhatitlookslikeandhowitworks.WhatIfoundisthere'sreallyjustoneforce,onelifeforce.Sometimeswecallitflow,theflowstate,that'swhatwetap


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intobutIliketoreferittoaslove.Thekindofthebindingforcethatbindseverythingtogether,throughwhicheverything'screated.

DaveAsprey: Didyousaylove?

RavéMehta: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Areyousomekindofahippie?Imeanyourhair'salittlebitlong.

RavéMehta: No.

DaveAsprey: I'minfullagreementwithyoubytheway,butsomepeoplelisteningarelike,"What'sthisguytalkingabout?"Yougottogodeeperonthatsoeveryonegetsit.

RavéMehta: Iwill.Ifthere'soneforcethatexists,essentiallythatkindofconnectseverything,that'swhatI'drefertoit.GeorgeLucascallsittheforce,EastAsiatheycallitchi,Indiacallsitprana,Ijustrefertoitaslove.

DaveAsprey: It'smidi-chlorianmediated.I'mtalkingabouttheStarWarsreference.

RavéMehta: TheMandorian.

DaveAsprey: Anyway.

RavéMehta: Therearetwoforcesthatactonit,onthislifeforce,whichisthesourceofourflow.Oneforceisfearandthatconstraintsourpipeforhowmuchofthisfloworthislifeforcewegetin.Thentheotheristheopposite,whatIcallorwhatIrefertoastrust,andthatopensthepipe,sowegetmoreofthislifeforceorloveorwhateverflowingthroughus.

Fearisreally,whatIdiscoveredisallnegativeemotionsisrootedinfear,whetherit'sanger,jealousy,insecurity,greed,guilt,shame,anyofthatstuff,thesourceemotionisfear.Thensimilarly,allpositiveemotionsarerootedintrust,theyhaveconfidence,grace,


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gratitude,humility,confidence,andcourageandallthatstuffcomesoutoftrust.WhenIbrokeitdowntojustthosetwofundamentalkindofforcesactingonthesourceofourflow,itmadeitsomuchsimplerformetoworkwithitandseehowIcouldtransformthesefear-basedemotionsintotrustandopenuporflow.

DaveAsprey: Theendsofthespectrumforyouarefearandtrust.

RavéMehta: Right.

DaveAsprey: Trustinwhat?Liketrustinyourfear?No.

RavéMehta: No,no-

DaveAsprey: Whatareyoutrustingin?

RavéMehta: Youtrust,okay,hereisaspectrumtotrust,itstartswith,andthesamewithfear,fearstatswithdoubt,leadstoskepticism,andultimatelyitleadstofear,andthenfearparalyzesyou.Theoppositeistrust,itstartswithhopeanditmovesupthescaleuntilyouhavefulltrustinessentiallytheuniverse,you'replaceinit,alltheeventshappeningaroundyou.Youhaveasenseofcomfortthateverythingisworkinginyourfavorandyoumaynotknowalltheanswersorwhy,butyouhavethatsenseoftrustandthat's...Whenyou'reinthatstateofultimatetrust,that'swhenyou'retappedintoultimateflowandweseethat.Weseethatlikewhenwe'rereallypresent,you'reinastateoftrust.

DaveAsprey: Right.

RavéMehta: Whenyoumoveawayfrombeingpresent,youallowfeartocomein,allthewhat-ifquestions.Themorefurtheryou'reoutinthefuture,themoreroomforfeartoenter.BeingpresentisjustoneofthethreepillarsoffearthatIkindofcameupwithorthatIdiscoveredovertime.Fearisalwaysbasedinthefuture,whatifthishappens?Whatifthathappens?Manytimesit'sstimulatedbythepastandthenweexperienceitinthepresent.However,whenyou'reverypresentthere'snoroomforfear.That'swhenyou're


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inastateoftrustbecauseyou'reinflow,you'recompletelyinthemoment.Youhavetobetrusting.

DaveAsprey: Whenyou'reinthemomentyoucan'tbeafraid?

RavéMehta: No,there'snoroomforfear.

DaveAsprey: Exactly.

RavéMehta: Right.

DaveAsprey: Itotallygetthat.

RavéMehta: Thesecondpillaroffearis,thefirstistime,thesecondisattachment.Therearetwotypesofattachment.FirstIwaskindoflike,"Oh,maybeweshouldn'thaveattachments."ThenovertimeIrealized,"No,there'snothingwrongwithattachment.It'sthenatureofhowweareattachedtotheseobjectsorsubjectsofourattachment,"andtherearetwotypes.

Oneisarigidattachment,somethingthatkindoflikeasteelbeamconnectingyoutotheobjectofyourattachment,andthere'salmosttheseuniversalforcesactingonyouthat'screatingstress.Ifthere'senoughstressandoppositedirectionsinthatbeamthat'sconnectingyouto,snapsandyoujustslingshotawayfromeachother.Thewholeexperienceismiserablebecausethere'sstressthewholetime.

TheothertypeofattachmentiswhatIcallgravitationalororbitalattachment.That'swhenthere'snothingholdingyouinplace,it'sjustyourowngravityandthegravityofwhateveritisthattheobjectofyourattachmentthat'skeepingyouguyswithineachother'sforceorfield.Whenalltheseuniversalforcespushonyou,youjustrotatearoundeachotherbutthere'snostressinthesystem.Asdynamicschangeyoucannaturallygravitateawayfromeachotherorclosertogether,butonceagain,it'snatural,there'snostressinthesystem.


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ChangingfromarigidattachmenttoanorbitalattachmentwasanotherpillaroffearthatIfoundwouldbreakdownfear.Thedifferencebetweenthetwoiswhenyou'reinarigidattachmentsituation,youarefocusedontheattachmentandwhereitshouldbe.You'retryingtocontrolit.Whereinagravitationalattachment,you'reactuallyfocusedonyourselfinbecomingabetterpersonorgrowingineveryaspect,andthat'sattractingtherightthingsintoyourspaceandpushingthewrongthingsaway.It'sjustaslightshiftinmindset,insteadoffocusingonsomethingelse,focusingonyourself,andtheneverythingcorrectsitself.

Thenthethirdisaveryspecifictypeofattachment,it'sanattachmenttoaspecificoutcome,wecallthatanexpectation.Whenyouhaveanexpectation...Ithinkaboutexpectationas,ifyouachieveanexpectationthere'snorealgloryorjoybecauseyouexpectedit,butifyoudon't,thenthere'sallthesedismayanddisappointmentanddemoralizationthattakesplacethatbringsyourflowstatedown.

However,whatIfoundifwechangeourexpectationstopreferencesandleavingthefinaloutcomeofhowthatintentionisserved,thatwhenyouachieveitthenthere'sthisgreatjoyandelationthattakesplace,andwhenyoudon'tyoustillleaveitopenforotherwaysthatthat'sinitialintentionbeingsatisfied.

Goingback,there'snoproblemwithhavinggoals.It'sjustattachingacertain,veryspecificformandoutcometothatgoalmaynotnecessarilybethebestinterestofyourintentionofwhyyousetthegoalinthefirstplace.Changingtheexpectationtopreference,becauseexpectationsisverytiedtoform,preferencesistiedtotheintention.Justasubtleshiftinmindsetopensitup.Itturnsout,anyoneofthesethreepillars,time,attachmentandexpectation,ifyouknockanyoneofthosethreedownthenfearjustgoesaway.Becauseallofthemhavetobeactiveforfeartoexist.

DaveAsprey: Interesting.Doesthatmeanifyouhavenoneofthoseactivecanyougetridofyourfearcompletely?


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RavéMehta: Yes,evenifyoujustgetoneofthem,feargoesaway.Ifyou'representthentheothertwodon'tmatterbecausethey'reembeddedineachother,theothertwogoaway.Butifyoucan'tbepresent,sayyouhavetoplanforsomethinginthefuturethenyoumovetothenextpillar,attachment.Ifyoucouldchangethenatureofattachmentthenyourfeargoesaway,butifyoucan'tbecauseit'sashorttermthingthatyouneedtoreallycontrolandmanage,thenyoumovetoexpectation.Ifyoucouldchangethattoapreferencethenthatgetsridoffear.There'skindoflikeacascadeeffect.

DaveAsprey: Now,I'lltakearidiculousexamplehere.IreallywanttounderstandfearandIthinkalotofpeoplelisteningtothis,everyoneknowsthatfearplaysaroleintheirlife.Everyonewantstohavecontrolovertheirfear,andyou'rewritingabookabouthowtohackfear.I'mgoingtogodeeponthisandyoucantellmeifI’mbeingridiculous,I'mokaywiththat.

RavéMehta: Sure.Sure.

DaveAsprey: Allright,nowthere'satigerinmid-aircrouchinginyouordoingwhatever,crouchingandjumpingatyoulikereadytotakeabite.Yousaylike,"Well,I'mfeelinglikeI'minthepresentmoment,maybe,butI'msortofattachedtotheoutcomeofnotbeingtorntobits."Great.

RavéMehta: Great.Crazy.

DaveAsprey: Iwouldprefernottobeeaten.AmIreallygoingtofeeltheandbendthisfearandactorlike...justwalkmethrough.Itseemslikethere'savisceralkindoffearthat'ssurvivalbased,thatmaybebeingpresentisn'tthesolutionfornotbeingafraidofthetigertearingmetopieces.

RavéMehta: Ihadasimilarexperienceactually.IwasinSouthAfricansafariandwewereobservingaprideoflionstakeoutanelephant.Aswe'resittingthereoneofthelion,we'reinourcartandoneofthelionsactuallywalkeduptome.Iwasinthefrontseat,inthefront


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leftcorner,closesttothegroundanditliterallywalkeduptomeandIhadapicture,becauseIwastakingpicturesofitasitwascomingcloser,untilourrangersaid,"Stopmoving.Stopmoving."Hesaid,"Stopmoving.Stopbreathing.Pretendyoudon'texist."Icouldfeelthebreathoftheliononmyforearmanditsatthereandit'sjustlookingandobserving.It'stryingtofiguremeout.It'stryingtofigureoutprobablyifIwasedibleornot.

Naturally,mymindwanderedinthefuturelike,"OhmyGod,thisisgoingtobetheworstwaytodie,"allthosewhat-ifquestions.Iwasinthefuture.Ihadtheattachmenttonotdyingandmybody,andthenIhadexpectationofwantingtosurvive.Butitwasn'tuntilIpulledmyselfinthepresent,Iusedabreathingexercisethatgotmeverypresent,gotmeverysettled,anditdidfeel,Ifeltcomfortable.Thetrustkindofreemergedinme,Isaid,"Everything'sgoingtobefine."Thenitwasn'twithinsecondsofmefeelingthatwaythatthelionwalked,gotupandjustwalkedaway.Theysense-

DaveAsprey: Animals.

RavéMehta: Theysense-

DaveAsprey: Animalssensethat.

RavéMehta: Theysenseitandsodowe.Wesenseittoo.We'renotnecessarilyconsciousofitallthetimebutweallsenseeachother'sfeelings.Thequestioninthatscenariois,whatleduptothetigerorlionwantingtopounceonyou?Becauseitwasn'tlikeallofasuddenyou'vegoneintoastateoffearwhenhe'smid-air.Thereisaseriesofthingsthatwouldattractittowardstoyoupossibly,thatcouldleadtoyoubeinginthatstate.Inthatstateifyourpresentyouwouldknowwhattodo.Youcanmoveoutoftheway.Youknowhowtomaneuverbecauseyou'dbeinaflowstate,youwouldn'tbeparalyzed.

DaveAsprey: IthinkitwasAlbertoVilloldowho'sashamanandacultureanthropologist,he'sbeenonBulletproofRadio.He'safriend.If


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I'mquotinghimrighthesaidsomethinglike,"Ifyougetbittenbyasnakeyougotothedoctor.Ifyoudon'tknowwhattodoandyou'rebittenbythesnakegotothedoctor.Ifyouknowwhyyougotbittenbythesnakeyougototheshaman."Whichkindofillustratewhatyou'resaying,likeifyou'relivinginthestateoffear,Ibelieveanyway,andit'sbeenmyexperiencethatyouattractthethingsyoudon'twantintoyourlife.Ifyou'relivinginastateoffloworastateofpresenceorastateofgratitudeorwhatevertheantidotethatyouhaveis,forfearinyourlife,atleastmostofthetime.Likeifyourtechnicaltermis,"Goodshithappens."Isthatkindofwhereyou'regoingwiththis?

RavéMehta: Yeah,Imean,Ifeellikewegiveofffeelsandeverything'sgettingoffafieldandweattractthefieldsthatwe'regivingoff.Essentiallythey'relike-

DaveAsprey: Giveofffields.Allthescientistslisteningtothisanddoctors,likegiveofffields.Whatkindofafield?Doyouknowwhatkindoffield?

RavéMehta: Energeticfields.Ifeellikethere'sa...Thisisnot,Imean,thisisprovablescience.Youcoulddomultipletestingandmultipletestsatdifferentthoughtpattern,oreventhe,Iforgothisname,Mokimoto,whotestedthecrystalandwater.Whereheputemotionsonthewaterandthedifferentcrystalformationsformwhenthey'refrozen.Ourthoughtshaveenergeticqualitiesandwegiveofftheseenergeticqualitiesallthetimeandtherearethingsreceivingthat.Thingsthatkindofcorrelatewithitcomeintoourspaceandthosethatdon'tmoveaway.

DaveAsprey: It'sroughbecauseifyouwouldlookatLynneMcTaggart'sworkaroundthefield,there'sgreatamountsofevidencethatthere'ssomethinggoingonbutwehaven't,atleastinmyknowledge,figuredouthowtodirectlymeasurethosefieldsusinginstrumentsoutsideofus,whichisyou'regetting.Butwecanmeasure,whatIwouldguesshappenedwithyourlion.That'sactuallyamagneticfieldanditdoescomeoffyourheartanditis


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trainable.That'ssomethingthatIdo.Doyouworkwithheartratevariabilityatall?

RavéMehta: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Let'stalkaboutwhatyoudowithheartratevariability.Whatdoyoudowiththat?Becausethat'soneofthosedreadedmeasurable,youcanseeit,youcanfeelit,youcanlookatitwithamagneticfielddetector,andweknowthatitinteractswithotherpeople.Let's,fortheskepticslistening,thisissomethingthatisbeyondthefieldofskepticismwhereit'smeasurable,quantifiable,andweknowitaffectsotherbeings.Let'sassumethatit'smagneticeventhoughitmaybealotmorethanthatandwe'llgofromthere.Justtohelppeopledoathoughtexperimentherearoundfear.Goahead.

RavéMehta: ThewayIworkwithheartvariabilityisIusedifferentbreathingtechniquestohelpmegetintodifferentstatestogiveoffdifferent,Iguess,heartfeels,Iguess,forlackofabetterword.Havinggonethroughanextensiveprocessofmeasuringthedifferentfeelsorfrequenciesthatwe'regivingoff,butIcoulddefinitelynoticeachangeindifferenttechniques.Thisgoesallthewaybacktoevenlikevedicsciencesinourculture.Theyfiguredthisoutthousandsofyearsago.

DaveAsprey: It'snotnew.

RavéMehta: It'snotnew.We'rejustusingdifferentinstrumentstofigureouthowitworksandadifferentlens.Asayogateacherandpractitioner,Imean,I'vebeenusingbreathingtechniquesandmeditationtechniquesforawhileandreallymanagingmyownstatewiththose.There'savideogamethatDeepakChoprashowedmeonce,acoupleofyearsago.Heuseoneofthosefingerclipstotrackyourpulse.Itwascalledthebio-sensorbutreallyapulsetracker.Inthegamehewouldhaveyoudodifferentbreathingtechniques,andasyougot,yourheartbeatgottherangeofwhatthey'relookingfor,basedonthosebio-sensor,


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whateveryou'retryingtoaccomplishwouldstarttohappen.Liketheballsinthegrasswouldstarttojuggle.

DaveAsprey: Iknewthatgame.

RavéMehta: Ittrainyouindifferenttechniquestomovethroughthisjourney,sotospeakand-

DaveAsprey: Thegame,bythewayforlisteners,mybuddyKylerunsit.It'scalledWildDivine.Itwasthefirstbio-feedbackvideogame.That'stheoneyou'retalkingabout.

RavéMehta: Exactly.That'sexactlyright,andthatwasyearsago.That'sfairlyaheadofitstime,Iwouldsay.

DaveAsprey: Itwaslikelate90's,Ithinkwhenitcameoutorsomethinglikethat.

RavéMehta: Exactly,veryaheadofitstimebutinasimilarwayhe'susingtheheartratevariabilitytoshowsomekindofdirectfeedbackfromavideogamestandpoint.

DaveAsprey: Youworkedinthevideogameindustry,didn'tyou?

RavéMehta: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: That'swhyyou'veseenit.Itwasnotamajorsuccess.Iwasgoingtosay,that'sokay.

RavéMehta: No,itwasn'tbutIdon'tthink...AlotofthingsI'vedoneandI'msureyou'veexperiencedsometimesifwe'retooearly,it'salltiming,right?Itdoesn'tmeanit'snotagoodproductquality,itjustmeansthetimingisoff,themarketisnotreadyortheaudienceisn'treadyforit.

DaveAsprey: Asayogateacheryourecognizedthatwhenyoudodifferentbreathingexercisestheydosomethingtoyourheart,likeyouseeyourheartopeninmeditation.That'smorethanafewtypesofmeditationteaching.You'redoingthisandthatdoesaffectheart


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ratevariabilityandthenyou'renoticingthatithasaneffectonthepeopleorthethingsaroundyou,right?

RavéMehta: Sure.

DaveAsprey: Inthecaseofthelionyouwereinastateoffearbecauseit'sanormalthingtohappenwhenyoufeellikeacarnivoreissniffingyourarmtoseeifit'smadeoutofbacon.Thenyouovercamethatusingyourbreathingexercise,andthesecondyouovercameitthelion'slike,"Oh,notfood."Becauseitdoesn'thavethefearoffood,right?

RavéMehta: Right.

DaveAsprey: That'sanexampleofwhereyoutotallyhackedyourfearinaverysubstantialway.Now,let'ssaythatI'm...Let'sgotoanotherexample.Thisisonewhere,afewofmyclientshavethisandthey'resupersuccessful,it'slike,"IfIgoonstageI'lldie."

RavéMehta: Right.

DaveAsprey: Right,like,"Ihavestagefright,likeIwillnotgoinfrontofagroupofpeopleandtalk."I'mlike,"well,it'skindofwhatyoudoifyou'regoingtobeinaleadershiprole,isyouneedtobeabletotalkaboutwhatyou'redoing,andtobeabletobeinastateofflowwhenyoudoit."Thefearblockstheflowortheflowcancelsthefear.Whatdoyoutellsomeonewhowantstohackthatkindoffear?

RavéMehta: Sure.It'sfunnydidashowcalledASPIRE,whichwasdifferentthananyofmyothershows.ItwasapianoconcertcoupledwithkindoflikeaTED-likeseriesoftalks,whereIcuratedthepianopiecestothedifferenttalks.What'sdifferentaboutthisisthistimeitwasjustme.Itwascompletelyme,it'smeandamike,meandapianoandthere'snootherdistractions,there'snoPowerPoints,there'snootherdancersonstage,novisuals.Itwasraw.Intentionally,Iwaswantingtopushmyboundaries.


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It'sprobablyIwouldsayoutofeverythingI'vedone,Imean,I'vejumpedoutofplane,swamwithsharks,doveoffcliffs,ImeaneverythingI'vedoneyouknowalmosteatingbyalion,thatwasprobablythescariestthingI'veprobablyeverdone,andbecauseitwasraw.IhadtobesovulnerablethatIhadtojustexposemyselfandbewhoIwas,otherwiseitwouldn'thaveworked.

Iwouldsayforsomeonethat'sgoingonstage,thekeytobeingonstageinfrontofabunchofpeopleandbeingagreatperformeroragreat,havinggreatpresenceisvulnerability.It'ssocounterintuitivetoeverythingwe'vebeentaught.Welayerourselfwithallthesearmor,oridentities,whoweare,whowethinkweare,andafterawhileitstartstogetheavyandwestarttoblockthisqualitythatmakesusuniqueandspecial,itmakesusreal.Peoplefeelthat.Peoplecanfeelthedifferencewhensomeoneisladedwitharmorandthenwhentheyarestrippednaked.Ineverycaseaperson'smoreattractedtoapersonthat'smuchmorevulnerableandopenandauthenticthantheotherwayaround,nomatterhowamazingtheyare.

DaveAsprey: Nowthat'savery,verydeepstatement.Vulnerabilityissomethingyoushouldn'tbeafraid.Ifyou'reananimal,let'ssaythatyou'readeer.Ifyou'revulnerableyou'regoingtobeconstantlysearchingforthethreatsbecauseyouhavenodefenses.You'resayingthatforpeopletobemosteffectiveon,especiallyonastagelikethat,theyneedtobevulnerable.Howdoyou,especiallyformen,thisisreallychallenging.Ittookmeyearstolearnhowtobevulnerable.I'mprobablystillworkingonitoncertainlevelsbut,actuallyforbothgendersbutIknowmenjusthaveabiggerproblemwiththisbecauseofthewayourcultureis.Howdoyourecommendpeoplepracticebeingvulnerable?Howdoyougetintoavulnerablestateifit'snotastatethatfeelsnaturalforyou?

RavéMehta: Sure.OneofthethingsIfiguredoutiswegetintotheseflowholes.We'llbeinalife-threateningsituationorachallengethatwewanttoachieve.Wegetpresent,wegetinthemoment,we'reinastateandwedowhatweneedtodo,wegetthroughitandwecelebrateafterwardsbutnowwe'renolongerinthatstate,likeDannyWay


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whenhejumpedtheGreatWallofChina.He'sinaflowstatefromthefewjumpsandthenafterthathe'sinthehospitalbecauseheshatteredhisleg.

Howdoyousustainyourflowstate?Howdoyoulevelupyourflowstate?WasthenextquestionIhaslike,nowIknowhowtogetinflowstates.Icangettothosenomindstates,buthowdoIkeepit?That'swherevulnerability,that'swhereIfiguredoutvulnerabilitywasthepathwaytothat,becausethemoreauthenticwebecome,theclosertoourauthenticselves,thehigherourflowratelevelsupautomatically.

Thenitwentbackto,well,vulnerabilityisscarybecausewe'reafraidofgettinghurt.We'reafraidofgettinghurtinanyway,physical,emotionally,spiritually,whateversense.WhatI'lladdtothatisvulnerabilitywithawareness,withtrust.Trustisnevermeanttobeblind,inotherwordsvulnerabilityisnotmeanttobeanaïvevulnerability.It'smeanttobeavulnerabilitywithawarenessandyoucanachieveboth.

Ifyou'reawarewhichmeansyou'reinflow,thenyoucouldbeopenandstillbecompletelyhigh-performingorsafe,whateverthecaseis.Whatitdoesisitstrengthensyouremotionalimmunesystem.Wehaveourphysicalimmunesystembutwealsohaveanemotionalimmunesystemthatnevergetsexercisedifweconstantlyhaveourarmoron.Itjustgetsweaker,theminutethatarmorgetsrippedofflikeifwehavefallentoahealthcrisis,youdon'thavetheenergytoholdontothatarmoranymore.Theegojusthastomeltawaybecauseittakesalotofenergytoholdontoit.Allthoseemotionsjustgoaway.Thenyoureallyfeellikehow...Thenyoureallyvulnerable,youreallygetasenseofthat.Everyonewillgothroughahealthcrisisbecauseeveryonedies.Atsomepointtheywillexperiencesomekindofcrisisintheirlifeandtheygetasenseofthatvulnerability.It'salmostlikebydesignitwascreated.

DaveAsprey: Youobviouslydon'tknowmytranshumanistsfriends.


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RavéMehta: Iknowafew.Iknowafew.

DaveAsprey: Iimagineyoumust,whobelievethey'renotgoingtodie,whichwouldbeastateofinvulnerability,whichmeansifthatdoeshappentheymightbeinforsomeroughtimes.Isthatwhatyou'resaying?

RavéMehta: Yeah,Imeantheyhaveanexpectation.Itdependsifit'sapreferenceoranexpectation,ifwe'renottodiethat'sonethingbutlet'sassumethattheywilldielikeeveryonedoes.It'sasafeassumption.

DaveAsprey: Allright,I'mnotgoingtonamewhoitisbutoneoftheverymajorfiguresinthatfield.Imethim-

RavéMehta: RayKurzweil?

DaveAsprey: No,Iwon'tnamewhoitisbutaguyIrespectgreatly.Oneoftheoriginaltranshumanist.Imethimbeforehecalledhimselftranshumanist.We'retalkingaboutanti-agingandallthatstuffandI'mlike,"Look,we'reallgoingtodie,"andhewashorriblyoffended.I'mlike,"No,listen.Theuniversewillcometoanend,likewe'reallgoingtodie.Itdoesn'tmatterwhatyoudo,likeitisinevitablebecauseofthefactthatwethinktheuniversewillcollapsebackend."IactuallythinkIpissedhimoffbecauseofthat.It'slike,"No,really,likeIbelieveyoucanextendhumanlifetimesaverylargeamount.I'mplanningonatleast180butcomeonhere,liketheplanetwillcrumbleatsomepoint."I'mgettingofftopichere.Itookyououtofyourflowaswell.Youweregoingthroughthiswholeprocessaroundfearofdeathandwhat'sgoingtohappentherewithvulnerability,let'sgetbacktothat.

RavéMehta: Yes,IfoundthatthemorevulnerableIamthemoreflowIhaveaccessto,whichlevelsmeupmyflowstate,whichallowsmetodomore.ItgivesmemorepotentialbecauseIdon'thave,I'mnotusingthatenergytoholdontothing,tofalseidentitiesortogettooattachedtothemanymore.Ihavealltheseenergyavailableto


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methatIcanusetocreateandexploreanddiscoveranddoproductivethings,thingsthatwilllevelmeup,expandmybeing.

DaveAsprey: WhenIdoneurofeedback,likethe40yearsofZenprogramwithelectrodesandliedetectorsforsevendayswhereI'mbasicallylookingwhat'sgoingoninmybrain,youfindthatthere'saproblembecausewhenyouworkonbeinginavulnerablestate,thepartsofyourbrainthatyoudon'tnormally,youhavecontroloverunlessyou'retrainedtohavecontroloverthem,they'llimmediatelysnapyououtofvulnerablestatebecausethosepartsofyourbrain'sresponsibleforkeepingthemeatofyourbodyalive,likeit'sthemeatoperatingsystemthatdoesit.I'llbelike,"Iwanttobevulnerable,"it'slike,"Yeah,right,overmydeadbody."There'sthisinnerdialoguelikethat.Iknowsomanypeoplearesodefendedlike,howdotheycrackthroughthatdefense?Howdoyouhackthat?

RavéMehta: There'stwothingsthat,there'retwopartofthis.Let'sgobacktofearforasecond,fearandtrustandthentrust,Icoupledtrustwithawareness,andfearwithignorance.Thosearethetwosides.SayI'mwalkingdownthestreetandIseeapotholeinfrontofme.WhenIlookatapothole,InoticeditandIwalkedaroundit.Nowinthatprocess,couldhavelookedatthepotholeandbescared,"OhmyGod,whatifItripped?WhatifIslipped?WhatifIbreakmyankle?WhatifIfallandhitmyface?"OrIjustnoticedthatthere'sapotholethereandthesolutionistowalkaroundit.

Nowlet'ssaythere'sasnakeinthatpotholeandIwalkeduptoit.Nowthere'salittlemorefear-inducingelement.Thesamething,Istillwalkaroundthepothole.Thedifferenceis,inthatcaseIcouldhavebeenscared,"Whatifthatsnakebitesme?WhatIf...,"onceagain,"WhatifIslip?WhatifIfall?Whatifit'spoisonous?"OrIcouldnoticeitandbeawareofitandthenmovearoundit.

That'swheretrustandflowcomesinasyoujustknowwhattodo,becausefear,ifyouhitthefearstatesometimeswemovebackandforthbetweenfearandtrust,fearandtrust,andthat'swhatwecallhesitation.Whenyou'renothesitating...Whenyou


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hesitateyou'removingbackbetweenawarenessandparalysis,awareness-paralysis,awareness-paralysis.Fearisparalysisandtrustisawareness,butwhenyou'reafraidyou'restuck.You'restuck,youdon'tknowwhattodobutthenwhenyousnapbackintotrust,that'swhenyoumovearoundandsolve,findsolutionsforwhateverthesituationis.

Ithinkthesamethinginvulnerabilityisaformoftrust,becauseforyoutobevulnerableyouhavetotrustthatyou'regoingtobeokay.Thenwhenyou'revulnerableandyou'retrustingthenyou'reawarethat,what'sgoingonbuttheminuteyouhitsomethingandallofsuddenyouhitafearstate,youstop.Yougetparalyzedandthenthehesitations,thedancebetweenawarenessandtheparalysis.

DaveAsprey: Peoplecanfeelwhenyou'revulnerable.AllofthebestpresentationsI'veevergivenarewhenthey'relikeyoucomethroughwithoutthedefensesup,thenthere'sacertaintypeofpersonwhosensevulnerabilityandthentriestoexploitit,wecallthembullies.Theyexistinhighschoolandgradeschoolandtheyexistasadultstoo.They'retheoneswhoarealwaystearingotherpeopledowninsteadofsaying,"Idon'tagreewithyou,"it'slike,"You'reascumbag,"orwhatever.There'ssomewhat2%ofthepopulationwhoaresociopathsandstufflikethat.Whatdoyourecommendorinyourownexperiencejusthackingfear,whatdoyourecommendpeopledowhentheygointostateofvulnerabilityandtheycomeacrossoneofthesepeoplewholookstoexploitvulnerability?

RavéMehta: Sure.WhenIsayvulnerabilityIdonotimplyaweakness.

DaveAsprey: No,no,notatall.Ifyoushowupasvulnerable,liketherewillbepeoplewhoarelikethey'lltryandtakeadvantageofyou.Youdon'thavetoletthem.

RavéMehta: No,becauseyou'recreatinganattractiveforce,you'regoingtodrawpeopletoyoubecausepeopleareattractedtovulnerabilityandauthenticity,Imean,anditgoesbacktobeingaware.There's


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thisother...I'llgiveyouanexample.There'sthisotherthingItalkedaboutinASPIRE,myshow,whereItalkabouthowtotapintoflowstatesandvulnerabilityisinoneofthesetalks.Anotheroneisthepowerofyesandittalksabouthowyes,justeventhewordyes,increasesyourabilitytotapintoflowstate.Youhavemoreflowjustbysayingthewordyes.Mostpeople...Thesecondmostrecognizedwordintheworldisno,Cokeisthefirstonebutnoisthesecondone.

DaveAsprey: Really?

RavéMehta: Yes,thisistrue,atleastitwas.Idon'tknowifthatchanged.I'msureithasn'tchangedbutitmakesyouwonderthatthere'ssomanypeoplesayingno.Atleasttheworldunderstandsnobutveryfewunderstandyes.ItookthemthroughanexercisewheretheyhadtosayyesaftereverythingIsaid.Youcanseetheenergyintheroomjustincreasingyesbyyes.EveryyestheysaiditincreasebutthenItookthemthroughthesameexercisehavingthemtosaynotoeverythingIsaid.Thatfirsttimetheysaidnothegameisover.Theycanseetheextremecutoffbetweenthisbeautifuljourney,andfunjourneyandeventuallytheytookbysayingyesallthewaythrough.There'simmediateheartstop,"No,"thattheysaidandcutoffallinformationallpotentialtothemfromtheminutetheysaidno.Youcansayyes,thatis...Sayyesleadsyoutoopportunityandpotentialbutyoucansaynobysayingyes.Iwouldsayyestoyouandwecoulddointhroughanexerciseandthenyoucanaskmesomeridiculousquestion.

DaveAsprey: Allright,buttakemethroughthat.I'msurepeoplelisteningwouldlovetodothat.Bytheway,ifyou'rewatchingyou'llprobablygetmoreoutofthis.IfyouwatchonYouTubejustbecausewe'reseeingeachotherbut...Allright,whatdoIdo?Ihavetoaskyouaridiculousquestionortheotherwayaround?

RavéMehta: JustaskmewhateveryouwantmetodoorwhateveryoufeelandI'lltrytodemonstratewhatImean.


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DaveAsprey: Allright,I'mgoingtotryandbreakthisjustbecauseI'mahackeraswell.Let'ssee,doesyourmomknowthatyou'reanaccountant?

RavéMehta: Yes,shedoes.IhavefinancialaccountingclassesthatI'mtakingatschool.

DaveAsprey: Cool.Isupposedbeinganaccountantisaterribleconfessionbutitcouldhavebeendoesyourmomknowyou'reanaxmurderer?

RavéMehta: MymomknowsthatIhavenocriminalrecord.

DaveAsprey: Itdidn'tsoundlikeayes.

RavéMehta: Wellno,butthepointbeingisI'mdirectingyouinto...I'mnotsaying,"No,mymomdoesnotknowthatI'manaxmurderer."

DaveAsprey: Bynotsayingnoyou'releavingitopenandthenyou'requalifyingit,Igetwhatyou'resaying,allright.

RavéMehta: Theideaof...There'swhatIcall...Icallthisyes-ing.Yousayyestothings.Whenpeopleaskyoutodothingsoraskyoutoexplorethingsyoustartwithyesbecauseyouwanttoopenthatinformationflowtoyou.Thenwhentheystarttoaskyouthingsthatstarttofalloutofyourrealmofinterests,thenifyougetgoodatthisyoucouldsayyes,stillsayyesbutredirectthemtomovingintotherealmwhereyouareinterestedin.Whenyou'reaskingme,sayyouaskme,"Hey,canIbringyouacupofcoffeerightnow?"Clearlythat'snotpossiblebecauseI'mhereandyou'reacrossthatcoast,acrosstheothersideofcontinent,butIcansayyesnexttimeIseeyouI'llbringyouacupofcoffee.

DaveAsprey: Yes,yeswithanasterisk,Igetyouthere.

RavéMehta: Right,youcanconditionyouryesesandthenredirecttheirbehavior,butwhenyoudothatwhathappensistheyfeelvalidatedandtheybecomemuchmoreopentoyourconditions.

DaveAsprey: Howdoesthattiebacktofearandvulnerability?


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RavéMehta: Thepointbeingiswhenyouhad...Ihadasix-yearoldthatIwasmentoringandthisisoursituationset-up.Hewasfromadivorcedfamily,havealotofbuiltangerandresentment.Iputhimthroughthisemotionalselfevaluation,whereeverytimehegetsangryItoldhimtositonthecouchuntilhe'snotangryanymore,andthencomeandrejoinwhateverwe'redoing.Afterafewtimesofdoingthathestartedrecognizingwhenhe'sgettingangryhimself,tothepointwherehewouldputhimselfonthecouchandthenafterawhilehejuststoppedgettingangry.That'swithinathreeweekperiodoftime.Hebecameselfevaluativeofhisemotions,hebecameself-aware.

Nowhehadabullyinschoolandthisbullyisafemalebutshe'slikeheavierwoman,biggergirl,andshe'sbullyinghimandhisfriendsandwhatnot.Hehadsomuchconfidencetothatpointthatheactuallywenttothebullyandtoldher,"Heylook,thereasonyoudon'thaveanyfriendsisbecauseyou'resomeantoeverybodyandifyouweren'tsomeantoeverybodythenyouwouldhavemorefriends.Infact,Iwanttobeyourfriendbutyoudon'tletmebeyourfriendbecauseyou'resomean."

Nextthingyouknow,theverynextday...Hespoketruthbecausehe'svulnerabletoo.Theverynextdaythatgirlstartedbeingnicetoeveryoneandthenaweeklatertheyallwereplayingtogetherliketherewasnoproblems,likeitneverhappened.That'sanexamplefromafirstgradelevelbutfirstgradersare,they'rerough.Theycanberoughastheyimbibealltheirparentalandotherenvironmentalfactorsandtheydon'thaveafilter.Justbybeingvulnerableandbeingconfidentandspeakingtruth,Iguessinthatcase,andlettingthemknowthatyou'reagoodperson,justshowthat.Itkindofmeltedthosewallsandthenshetransformed.Itwasprettypowerful.Iwasprettyamazedthatheevenadmitthathimselfwhenhetoldusthestory.

DaveAsprey: That'sprettycool.IwanttotalkmoreaboutyourASPIREpiece,becauseyou'reoneofthefewguysthatIknowwho'stalkedaboutexpressingscientificknowledgethroughartsorbeinga


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metahuman.Talkaboutthoseconcepts,likewhydoyouneedarttoexpressscientificknowledge?

RavéMehta: BecauseIfeellikewelearnthroughstories.Imeanweimbibeinformation.Weimbibefactsandwhatever,wedon'tconnecttoitasdeeplyuntilthere'ssomekindofstorythateitherwecreateourselves,orthatwerelateto.We'repattern-searchingmachinesandwe'relookingforconnectionsessentially.Whenwelookatscientificdatathere'stwolevelsofit.There'sonethatweobserveit,asanoutsiderwenoticeitandthat'sit.Thenthereisthedatathatweactuallyexperienceandcanconnecttoandthat'swaymorevaluablethanbeingjustanobserver,becauseyoucandostuffwiththat.

Ifeellikeartisawayofbringingthatexperienceintoaconnectioninto,whateverinformationI'mtryingtocommunicateacross.Ifoundittobereallyeffective,likethegraphicnovelofNikolaTesla.That'sstoryhasbeentoldinlotsofdifferentbooksbutthewaykidsconnectedtoMosesisbecauseoftheart,thevisuals.Thevisualsbrought,andnotjustkids,adultstoo.Imean,theyvisualsiswhatattractedpeopleintothestoryandthenthestorytellsthefactsofhistory.

Ilearnedthisinthegamingindustry.Youcanbuildthebestgame,themostamazinggamewiththebestgamemechanicsbutit'stheartthatsellsyou,thathooksyouin.Onceyougethookedandthenit'sthemechanicsandtheactualgameplaythatkeepsyouthere.Idon'tknow,artsellsandthenthetruthchangesyou.Iguess,themechanicsofhowIfeel,likeweashumansabsorbandlearnandexpress.

DaveAsprey: Thebookthere,Ilovethatyouchosetodothis.Iwantedtoswitchgearsandtalkaboutthebookanyway,you'retiming'sperfect.Youwroteaboutsomethingthatveryfewpeopleknowshaped,reallymuchofourworldweknowtoday,whichisthefightbetweenNikolaTeslaandThomasEdison.Wherebasicallywe'reprettysurethat,well,TeslastolesomestufffromRoyalRifeandThomasEdisonstolesomestufffromTesla.Allthreeofthemprobably


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stolesomestufffromeachotherorthemoreenlightenedperspectiveonthatmaybeisthatwhenideascometheytypicallyemergeinatleastthreeplaces.

Alotofpeopledon'tbelievethatbutafriendofmine,MarkLemleyaStanfordLawProfessor,actuallywroteapaperdocumentingthatwithinourpatternsystemthatmanynewideasemergeinmultiplepointsjustlikeitwastimeforthemtocomeout.Onepersongotthepatternbutthere'susuallyacoupleotherpeopleworkingonit.Wehavegoodevidencethisistheway.

Anyway,wehavethesethreeguysandyouchosethetwobigones,TeslaandEdison,andtheyfoughtaboutalternatecurrentversusdirectcurrent,whichisthedumbestthingyou'deverthinkoftofightaboutunlessyou'reanengineer.Tellmewhythisisimportantandwhyyoudidagraphicnovelaboutit.

RavéMehta: That'sbecause...Itwasn'tthatspecificbattlethatIwasfocusingon,it'smoreofthehumanemotionaljourneythathehadtogothrough,thatweallgothrough.Thatstoryisreallythestoryofanycreator,artist,entrepreneur,inventor,anyonethatwantstoputanideatothisworld,evensomeonethatwantstocreateafamily,it'sstillcreation,andallthehurdlesyouhavetogothroughtogetthere.

Youhaveeconomichurdles.Youhavetheselittlehurdlesbutthemost...butthehurdlesthateverysinglepersongoesthroughisemotionalones,theupsanddownsandthenhowdoyoupersistthroughthat?Thebiggerthestakes,thehigherthosehurdlesareandthehigherthatrollercoasterofemotionalturbulenceyou'regoingtoruninto.Thenitgoesbacktofear.Ifyouknowhowtomovefromfeartotrustthenyoucouldtakethesehighamplitudeofwavesandmakeitsoftwaves,andmovethroughthatspacemuchquickerandmoreefficiently.Hisjourneywas,Ithinkofinasense,hebroughtlightpowertotheworldbutit'scompletelyrelatabletoeveryone'sjourney,whetheryou're,especiallyartists,creators,andinventorsandentrepreneurs.Ithadsomanylayers


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toitthatIjustfeltlikethatstoryhadtobetoldinthatmanylevels.

Theguyhadsome...Hehadit,Imeanitshowsthathehadadestinyandhepushedthrough.Healmostdiedwhenhewasyoung.Hehadcholeraandhisbrotherdiedfromit.Everyone'sdiedfromitbutatthelastminutehesomehowjusthadamiraculous,he'smiraculouslyhealedhimselfbecausehisfatheroncesaid,"Okay,I'llletyougotouniversity,"insteadofhisreligious,pursuinghisreligiousschooling.Allofasuddenalltheflowcamebacktohim,hejust,andithealedhim.Thathappenedseveraltimesthroughoutthestory.Healmostdiedbutsomehowhejustcontinuetomovethroughthosespaces.Ifeelthatstoryisreallyimportantonsomanylevelsthat,anditfocusthepoint...thepoint,Ithink,washishumanjourney.

DaveAsprey: ThehumanjourneyisdefinitelypowerfultoTeslaandIhavealotofhisoldpapersandstuff.I'vestudiedhiswork.Alotofpeopledon'tknowthatTeslawaslookingatbiologyaswellaselectricity.He'sfamousforhiselectricstuffbutsomeofthefirstvibratingplatformsweremadebyTesla.Infact,there'safamousstory,thisisliketheBulletproofVibe.Imanufactureavibratingplatformthat'sthegreat,great,great,greatgrandson,granddaughter,grandchildofthekindofresearchtheyweredoing,butTeslahad,ifmemoryserves,inhislabavibratingplatform.Ifyouputitdownto8hertzitwouldbasicallymakeyoupooponyourself,likeveryreliably.I'veplayedwithdifferentfrequenciesandithasaverystimulatingeffecttoputitthatway,disasterpantsfrequencies.

Hewouldactuallywarnpeoplecominginhislablike,"Don'tstayontheretoolong,don'tdothis,"like,"It'sstrong."Becausehewaslookingattheeffectofvibrationsandthere'ssoundvibrations,there'sphysicalvibrations,there'slightvibratingorparticle,wesawhimfiguredthatoneout,there'smusic,likethere'sallthesethings.ButTeslawasaboutthevibrationsasmuchashewasanythingelse.That'swhyI'vealwaysbeeninterestedinhimbecauseit'slikeelectricplusbiochemical.


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ThereasonthatIthinktheAC/DCthing,whichisthecontextforyourstoryisinteresting,isthatdirectcurrentdoesn'tcreatetheelectromagneticfieldsthatareharmfulbutalternatecurrentdoes.Therewasabigfightaround,"Dowehaveadirectcurrentelectricalgridordowehaveanalternategrid?"Theychoseonethatwaseconomicallyinterestingbutbiologicallyharmful,asfarasIcantellatthispoint.Certainlynotbiologicallyoptimal.Thedegreeofharmfulness,Idon'tknow,butitdoesn'tappeartobeideal,let'sjustputitthatway.

Iappreciatethatyouhaveputthestorytogetheraroundareallyfascinatingthingthat'saffectingpeoplebutit'sreallyaboutaninterestingperson.IsthereacoolfactaboutTeslathatnooneknowsthatyoucameacrosswhenyouweredoingthis?

RavéMehta: ThereisthisquoteIsayinASPIRE.I'mgoingtopopitbacktoASPIREalittlebit.Italkedabout,andthistome,thisreallyconnectedwithmebecauseit'sreallypowerful.Wetalkedabouthowwearethese,essentiallywe'recosmicspecstothisuniverse.Ifameteorcamein,justwipedouttheplanet,theuniversewouldn'tmissus,itwouldmoveon.Itwillcontinuetomoveonandcontinuetounfoldinthewayit'salreadydoingso.

Butthenitkindoftakesmebacktolike,"Wellthen,what'suniqueaboutus?Whyareweevenhere?What'sthepoint?"Thenitcametome...Itdidn'thitmeuntilTeslasaidthisbuthesaidthat,"Ifalltheforcesoftheuniverse,"I'mparaphrasingalittlebitbuthesaidthat,"Ifalltheforces..."No,"Accordingtothelawofconservationofenergy,youcan'tcreateenergyordestroyenergy.Thereforealltheforcesoftheuniversewillcanceleachotherouttomaintaincompletebalanceandharmonyoftheuniverse."Ifthat'strue,thentheonlythingleftisthought,andthereforeasinglethoughtcandeterminetheentiremotionoftheuniverse,becauseit'soutsideofthosephysicalmatters,outsideofthephysicsofhowtheuniversalforceswork,matter,energy,soonsoforth.

That'slike,"Wow,"ifthat'strue,asinglethought,unfortunatelyalotofourthoughtsonthisplanetcanceleachotheroutsoweend


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upwithtricklesofwhatcouldbeapowerfulthought,apowerfulcollectivethought.Butifasinglethoughthasthatmuchinfluenceonthisuniverse,ithasarippleeffect,ourthoughtcanbeheardorfeltacrosstheuniverse.What'sinterestingisweknowthisbecausewenowimplementdouble-blindexperimentsbecauseweknowthatourthoughtaffectstheoutcomeonamorelocallevel.Wehavewhatwecall,what'sthewordwhen...It'llcomebacktomebutwhen-

DaveAsprey: Therandom,therandomgeneratorkindofstufforsomething?

RavéMehta: No,no,no,likewhenwe'reina,whenweheal,liketosaywe'resickandallofasuddenwefeelbetterbecausesomeonetoldussomething.

DaveAsprey: Spontaneoushealingkindofstuff?

RavéMehta: No,it'llcomebacktome.It'sacommonwordinmedicalindustry.Theplaceboeffect.

DaveAsprey: Placebo,ofcourse.

RavéMehta: Wetalkedabouttheplaceboeffectlikeallofasuddenwebelievesomething,webelievewearebetterorwe'retakingasugarpillthat'shealingusandthenwe'rehealedessentially,atleastforthattimeframe.That'sbecauseourthoughtisaffectingyouroutcome.Unfortunately,themedicalindustryavoidorinvalidatestheplaceboeffectbutIthinktheplaceboeffectisapartofthehealingprocess.Infactit'smorepowerfulthanallthestuffwetake.

There'ssomuchresearchIcantalkaboutthatbutthere's...it'sourthought,ourthoughtandemotionalstatesareaffecting,andonceagain,they'reaffectingtheoutcomesofeverythingaroundus.Thenitgoesbacktothefearandtrust.Themoretrust,themoreweareinastateoftrust,themorepowerfulandimpactfulthosethoughtsaretomoveustoahigherfrequencyorahigherpotentialandthenvice,andthenoppositeforfear.


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WhenTeslasaidthatlike,"Wow."Wearenotonlyinsignificantcosmicallybutwe'reextremelypreciousandextremelypowerfulandinfluentialonwhathappenstotheuniverse.Itkindofreversethelensonme,like"Wow,everyperson'sthought,feeling,action,emotionmatters,andithasadirectimpactoneverythingthat'sgoingon."

DaveAsprey: TheydoindeedandoneofthethingsthatIteach,isthatit'snotenoughtowalkintotheboardroomandacttherightway,becauseitdoesn'tworkverywell.Ifyouwalkintotheboardroomandyouactedtherightway,andyouaretherightway,youfeeltherightway,you'llgetwhatyouwerelookingfor,likethingshappenthewaythey'resupposedto.Ialwaysbelievedinthemodelofifyoudotherightthing,youdowhatyou'resupposedtodoforthesituation,yougetwhatyouwant,anditturnsoutthere'smultiplelevelstoit.

Ithinkwe'rebothsayingthesamething,whetherit'sfromafield,andItendtoagreewithyou,itisfromafield,it'soneweeitherhaven'tmeasuredormaybeaninformationfield.Ifyoulookatsomeoftheverynewrandom,Idon'twanttocallthemrandom,newhighlyunusualsciencearoundinformationfielddensity,there'sprobablysomethinginthereaboutit.Buthonestly,Ihaven'tstudiedenoughtoknow,butIdoknowthatinthepracticeofdoingwhatIdoasanentrepreneurandadadandalltheotherstuff,likeyou'vegottohavethebehaviorandtheinnerpartinalignment,otherwisethingsdon'tmove.

RavéMehta: Youhavetohavethatpresenceofmind.

DaveAsprey: That'showthingshappen.

RavéMehta: Right.

DaveAsprey: That's,ofcoursechallengingtoteachasyouknow,becauseyou'reayogateacherwhere,findingwhetheryoucanstandononelegandcloseyoureyesandalltheotherthingsthatyoudoinyoga.


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RavéMehta: Youknowthat'sfunnyyousaythat.WhenIfoundawayIteachinwhatIfoundtobemosteffectiveastoallowthemtoexperiencethedifferences.Likethatyesexample,whereItookthemthroughtheyesjourneyandItookthemthroughthenojourney,whichwasaveryshortjourney,theyimmediatelyfeltthedifference.Ididn'thavetoexplainanything,theyjustknewandapplaudedasaresult.It'sveryobvious.WhatIteach,andeventhatsixyearoldItoldyouabout,Iwaslettinghimdiscoverwhenhewasindifferentemotionalstatesandbecomeawareofthat.

Thiswholefearjourney,expeditionI'vebeenchasingforthelast,overadecadenow,allI'vereallydoneisputmyselfintostatesthatwhereIfeltlikeI'llbeconfrontingfearforme.ObservemyemotionsasI'mconfrontingitandthenasI'mnotconfrontingit.LookattheDeltathedifferencebetweenthetwoandseewhatischangingandthenfindingthepatternbetweenthat.That'showIunraveledalotofthesethingsthatI'mwritingaboutnow.It'sreallypointingoutthedifferences.Ifsomeonecan't,exactly,they'renotequippedortrainedtoidentifythoseinternallythenit'sjustpointingit,pointingthemtolookthere.Thentheystartlearningreallyfastandonceagain,oncetheystartfiguringhowtonoticethedifferencesandemotionalthoughtstatestheycouldlearnanythingatthatpoint.

Thatsixyearold,hisfirstdayatfirstgradehe'slearningsingledigitaddition,2+1=3.AttheendoffourmonthsIspentprobablyanhour,aneveningwiththemforlikefournightsaweek.Igotthemuptobasicalgebra.Hewassolvingequations2/3x+195=268,andsolvingforXandthengraphingit.Doingallsortsofmath.Heknewhissquares,hissquareroots.Heknewprettymucheverythinguptobasic,whatwouldnormallybelikesixthuptoeightgradelevelinfourmonths.

That'sbecauseIwasteachinghimpatterns,patternrecognitionandinternalprocessing,andinternalDeltaidentification.Thatjustopeneduptolearningmorelanguagesandeverythingelsejuststartedgettingbetter.Hestartedimbibingmoreconfidence


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withhimself,talkingtobullies,allsortsofcool,interestingthingsstarttohappen.

DaveAsprey: It'samazingwhatIthinkconfidencewilldo.We'recomingupontheendoftheshow,Ravé,andIwanttoaskyouthisquestion.Ithinkyouhaveauniqueperspectiveonit.ThisoneI'veaskedeveryguestsinmorethan250episodes,sonopressure.Doingallthestuffyouknoworallyourexperiences,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandtheysaidlike,"Iwanttoperformbetterateverything,likeIwanttokickassandwhateveritisIwanttodo.WhatarethethreemostimportantthingsIneedtoknow?"Whatwouldyousay?

RavéMehta: Iwouldsay,andIactuallyjusthadthisquestion.IcantellyoutheresultbutIwouldsay,one,focusontrust.Startexercisingyourtrust.Youcandothisbyvariousways,sayyes,startingwiththewordyes,andsoandsoforth.Two,findwhatyoureallycareabout.Trytostartoffwithyourauthenticselffromthebeginning,insteadofmovingintothesespaceswhereyoufeellikeotherpeoplewantyoutodosomethingelse.Figureoutwhatyoureallycareabout,passionateabout,becausethesooneryougetthere,that'swhenyourlifereallybegins.Everythingelseisjustajourneytostartyourlife.Onceyoufigurethatoutyouhaveareallyfuntimeaheadofyou.

Thenthree,Iwouldsaywouldbetrytounderstandpeopleandthat's...everythinghastodowithinteractingwithpeopleortheenvironment,whateveryou'reinteractingwith,trytounderstand.Firstisjudgeandassessandwhatnot,becausethemoreyouunderstandthemoreknowledgeyougainandthemoreappreciationyouhave.Thatallfallsinthattrustrealm.Itjustmovesyounaturallytotrustandthemorepoweryouhave,becauseyoucan't,it'sveryhardtodirectthingsormanagethingsintoorcreatethingswithoutunderstandingwhatalltheotherelementsare.Wearesoquicktojudgeandassessthat,whichisafear-drivenemotionthatwemissedoutonsomuchinlife.


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Iwouldsaythosethreethings.I'dsay,learntotrust.Figureoutwhatyou're...what'smostauthentictoyou,you'repassionateabout.Allthatstuffwillchangeovertimebutkeepfollowingthat,keeptrackingthatandtrytounderstand.

DaveAsprey: Cool.Thanksforsharingthatandnowshareacouplemorethings.Youhaveanewshow,ASPIRE,youhaveFlow,whichispremiering,andyouhaveyourbookaboutTesla.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourwork?GivemesomeURL.

RavéMehta: Sure.TheInventorSeriesistheTeslagraphicnovelandI'mdevelopingothergraphicnovelsasaseries,asapartofthat,flowtheshow.comisfortheupcomingshow,whichiskindoflikeyogacrosscirquedusoleiltomypianoconcert.ThentheASPIREshow.comistheURLforASPIRE,whichisoneagainapianoconcertcuratedtoaseriesinTED-styletalksallaroundunlockingthesecretsofhumanpotential.

DaveAsprey: Beautiful.Awesome.ThanksforbeingonBulletproofRadio.Itotallyappreciateit.

RavéMehta: Thankyou.Great,it'sfun.

DaveAsprey: Ifyouenjoyedtoday'sepisode,domeafavor,gooutandcheckoutRavéMehta'swork.It'sprettyinterestingstuff,andwhenhisbookonhackingfearcomesout,I'mprettysureit'sgoingtobeaninterestingread.Becausewhetheryoureallyknowthisornot,thereasonyourprocrastinate,thereasonyoudon'tdothethingsthatyouwanttodo,isoftentimesfear,butit'snotthekindoffearthatyoucaneasilyseeorrecognize,butit'sintheirsomewhere.

Ifyouspendyourtimehackingyourfearinonewayoranother,includingthewaysRaveabout,well,youwillkickmoreassandthat'swhattheshowisallabout.Haveanawesomeday.


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