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ThetrialcommencedonJune21st,1920intheCircuitCourtofDouglasCounty.
JosephAddisonBullen-JosephBullencametotheDuluthareain1853tofoundapermanentsettlement.HemadeclaimtoMinnesotaPointandthepresentsiteof
Duluth,althoughthiswasIndianTerritoryatthetime.HealsomadelegalclaimtotheshoresofAllouezBay,upLeftHandRiveranduptheshoresofSt.LouisBay.Hewassentbyeasternbusinessmenwhobelievedtheareacouldbeeconomicallyviable.ThetrialtookplaceattheDouglasCountyCourthouse.
JudgeWilliamR.Foley(W.R.Foley)wasthepresidingjudge.
JudgeFoleywasborninMaidenRock,WIonOctober10th,1869.HeattendedtheUnviersityofWisconsinandgraduatedlawschooltherein1892.In1893helocated
toSuperior,WI(NeedtotrackdownBulletinoftheStateBarAssociationofWisconsinVolume13Page86)HediedonJanuary18th,1940athishomeinSuperiorafterabriefillness.
ThecasewasheardintheWisconsinCircuitCourtinSuperior,WI.
J.B.ArnoldandH.W.Dietrichweretheattorneysfortheplaintiffs.
J.B.ArnoldwasfromDuluth,MNandH.W.DietrichwasfromWestSuperior,WI.
J.B.ArnoldisJohnB.Arnold.JohnB.ArnoldwasborninStanley,NewBrunswick,CanadaonMay22,1866.HewasmarriedonSeptember8th,1898toMetteLJones.
HewenttopublicschoolinEauClaire,WI,highschoolinMerril,WIandcompletedundergraduateandlegaldegreesattheUniversityofMinnesota.HewasacourtclerkinSuperior,WIandwasadmittedtotheMinnesotaBarin1888andtheWisconsinBarin1889.HepracticedlawinSuperiorfrom1889-1903,andbecametheAssistantDistrictAttorneyinSuperiorin1896andendedthatin1897,afterwhichhewentintoprivatepracticeinDuluth.
H.S.ButlerandT.L.McIntoshweretheattorneysforthedefense.
T.L.McIntoshwastheCityAttorneyfortheCityofSuperior.TherearemanyothercasesinwhichheasCityAttorneyandHanitch,Hartley&McPhersonhadalignedinterests.
TheadditionaldefenseattorneyswerefromHanitch,Hartley&McPherson.TheywereLouisHantich,ClarenceJ.HartleyandL.R.McPherson.ThefirmservedasattorneysfortheNorthernPacificRy.Co.,SuperiorShipbuildingCo.,GlobeShipbuildingCo.,WisconsinStateBankandBerwindCoalCo.
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PeterLemieuxismy3rdGreatGrandUncle.HewasbornonWisconsinPointin1851.HisfatherwasFrankLemieux.Hewasborninahousethatby1920wasnolongeronthePoint.
IntestimonyPeterLemieuxstatedthatheknewwherethehousehegrewupwasbecause,[Myparents]toldmewhereitisandIsawtheoldlogsusedtolaythereanditwasallrottenthatisallIseethere,kindofrottenstuffthere.[Myfathersaid]Thatishouseyouusedtolive.
PeterLemieuxisaskedaboutthehousebuiltbyJohnBardon.Apparentlyinthefallof1919PeterLemieuxwenttothePointandmadeabookofmeasurementsforthepurposeofbeingabletotestifytothelocationofthevariousLemieuxhouses.HewentouttothePointwithhisbrotherJohnLemieuxwhoisalsomy3rdGreatGrandUncle.Idothemeasuring,pacingandmybrothertakethemeasurements.HewasaskedhowtheymadethemeasurementsandherepliedUsedthesamewayIusedtolocatesomelandinthatcountry.
H.W.Dietrich:Howisthat?
PeterLemieux:Pacing
H.W.Dietrich:Yousteppeditoff?
PeterLemieux:Yes,sir.
H.W.Dietrich:Butyoudidntuseatapelineormeasuringstick?
PeterLemieux:No,sir.
H.W.Dietrich:Callingeachstephowlong?
PeterLemieux:Fivehundredstepsquarterofamile.
H.W.Dietrich:Somanystepstoamile.Howmanyfeetdoyoustep?
PeterLemieux:Youcountfivehundredpacestothequartermile.
H.W.Dietrich:Thatistheonlywayyouknowit?
PeterLemieux:Yes,sir.
TheyaskPeteraboutthesecondhouse.Hedescribesitasbeingmadeoflogsand
cedarbarkshingles.Ithadonlyoneroomandtwowindows.IthadalofttooandhesaysWesleepupstairs,thekids.
Thethirdhousewasstartedin1861andcompletedin1862.FrankLemieuxbuiltthehouseshimself.
TherewasacreekonthePointthatclosedupin1879.
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ThetestimonymovestothefourthhousewhichisstillstandingonthePoint.Hedoesntknowtheyearthefourthhousewasputupsoheuseslifeeventstomakeatimeline.
Hesayshewasmarriedin1872atage31.Whenhegotmarriedhetookhiswifebackhometothatoneroomhousewhichhisfamilywasstilllivingin.Theylivedthereandhissister,my3rdGreatGrandAuntMaryLaviergegotmarried,Idontrememberwhatmonth,MayorJune,Icouldntsay,aftershegotmarriedwenttoGradPortagethatsummerMysisterand[her]husband;heworkedforgovernment;governmentblacksmith.Ithinkhewentawayforacoupleofyearsandhecamebackanystayedtogetherin[thethird]house.
FrankLemieuxandIsabelleOsaugielivedinthefourthhouse(withtheirchildrenincludingMaggieMartineau).MaryandJoeLaviergelivedinthethirdhouseandPeterLemieuxandhiswifelivedinthesecondhouseallofwhichwereonthePoint.
PetercametoSuperiorin1879.Hecamebecausehewantedmyoldestgirltogoto
schoolandIlivedinSuperior.AtthispointhehadlivedinSuperiorforover40years.HesaysaboutthePoint,ofcourseIcampthereonceinawhiletimemyfolksusedtolivethere,usedtogohometwiceorthreetimesaweek.
RegardingthefourthhousePetersaid,Well,[myfather]toldme,hefiredacoupleofmentohelphimputitup.
Peterstatesthatheknewafull-bloodedIndianbythenameofOsaugieandthatitwashisgrandfather.ThenfollowsalineofquestionsaboutChiefOsaugie:
Q:DidOsaugieholdanypositionwiththeIndians,anyofficer,or-
A:Well,hewasChiefoftheFondduLacBand.
Q:ChiefoftheFondduLacBand?
A:Yes.
Q:WhendidyoufirstknowOsaugie?
A:SinceIremember.
Q:Sinceyourearliestremembranceasaboy?
A:Yes.
Q:Wheredidhelivewhenyouwereaboy?
A:Well,differentplaces.
Q:Didhehaveahouselikeyourfatherdid?
A:No.
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Q:Whatdidhelivein?
A:Wigwam.
Q:Didheeverliveonthepointinhiswigwam?
A:Yes.
Q:Didheeverhaveahouseonthepoint?
A:Nothisown.
Q:DidheeverliveinahouseonthePoint?
A:Yes,sir.
Q:Whathousedidhelivein?
A:Thatsecondhousemyfatherwhatheputup.
Q:Secondhousethatyourfatherputup?
A:Yes
Q:Howdidhecometoliveinthathouse?
A:Fathermovedinthethirdhousesomyfathertoldhimtoliveintheother,secondhouse.
Q:Howlongdidheliveinthissecondhouse,thisChiefOsaugie?
A:76
Q:Whendidhedie?
A:76
Q:Livedtheretillhedied?
A:Yes
Q:Whendidhedie?
A:HedidntdieonthePoint;hediedinSuperior,CharlieLordshouse.
Q:Where?
A:SecondStreet,WestsideofSt.John.
Q:Atthetimehedieddidhehaveawife?
A:Yes,sir.
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Q:Wasshealivewhenhedied?
A:Yes
Q:Wherewasshelivingwhenhedied?
A:OnthePoint.
Q:Inthissecondhouse?
A:Yes,sir.
Q:Whendidshedie?
A:Icouldnttellyou.
Q:Howlongdidsheliveafterhedied,about?
A:Well,somewherestenyears.
Q:Probablytenyears?
A:Yes
Q:Now,yourfatherhadmorechildrenthanyoudidhe?
A:Sure.
Q:Yourfatherhadotherchildrenbesidesyou?
A:Yes.
Q:Howmanychildrendidhehave?
A:Hadsixatthattime.
Q:Namethem;whatweretheirnames.Tellmewhoistheoldestchild?
A:Mrs.MaggieMartineau.
Q:Herfirstnamewaswhat?
A:MaggieLemieux.
Q:Whichisthenextoldest?
A:Mrs.Lavierge.
Q:Whatisherfirstname?
A:MaryLemieux.
Q:Whowasthe4tholdest?
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A:JoeLemieux.
Q:Isheliving?
A:No.
Q:Heisdead?
A:Yes.
Q:Didheleaveanychildren?
A:No.
Q:Anywife?
A:No.
Q:Whowasthenextoldest?
A:Frank,Jr.
Q:Isheliving?
A:No.
Q:Heisdead?
A:Yes.
Q:Didheleaveanychildren?
A:Yes,sir.
Q:Howmany?
A:One.
Q:Whatisthatonesname?
A:Phillip.
Q:PhillipLemieux?
A:Yes.
Q:Didheleaveawife,-Frank?
A:Yes.
Q:Isshelivingnow?
A:No.
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Q:Shesdead?
A:Yes.
Q:SohisonlysurvivorwasthisboyPhillip?
A:Yes.
Q:Andheisliving?
A:Yes,sir.
Q:Anyother?
A:John.
Q:Andheisliving?
A:Yes.
Q:Andthatsall?
A:Thatsall.
PeterthensaysthatBardondidntliveonthePointuntilafterthefourthhousewasbuilt.HegoesontosaythattheonlyotherpersonlivingonthePointotherthanthefamilywasanoldlady.Hesays,Icouldnttellwhathernamewas,onlyChippewanameIknow.HethengoesontoconfirmhernameinEnglishwasScreechOwl.
ScreechOwllivedinahousethatwasbuiltbyhergrandson.Peterdescribesit,Shewastoooldtogetthebarktomakeawigwam,see,andmyfather,hetoldhimto
helphimputupalittlehouse,sowedid,andalltheboyshelpedthemtoputup.
Hesaysthatformaterialwepickeditupontheshore,andpartofittheoldmanhegivehim.Itwasmadeoftwoinchboard;twoinchplanktheygotthematerialsbypick[ing]itupontheshore.
HesaysthattherewasahouseonthePointwheretheDurfeeslivedforabout22years.PetersaystheDurfeesarerelatedtohisfamilythroughmarriage.Additionally,theYoungfamilylivedonthePoint.Mrs.YoungwasMrs.LaviergesdaughtersoshewasPetersneice.
PeteronceagaintestifiestotheBardonhouse.HesaysBardonputupmorethanonehousebutthatthefirsthousewasputupin1884.
AsforotherresidentsofthepointPetersays,therewereonlycampers,thatsall.HesaystheycameandwentinthesummertimeandthatalongtimebeforethattherewereIndiansinwigwams.
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Petersayshisfatherbuiltfenceswhichbecomesabigpointofcontentioninthesecases.Hesaysthatthefenceswereputupover30yearsagobytheoldmanandMr.Martineau,andpartofitmyselfandpartofitmybrotherIguess,andnephew.
H.W.Dietrich:Stateweatherornotyoucantelluswhyyourfatherbuiltthesetwofences?
ClarenceHartley:Objectedtoasincompetent,irrelevant,immaterial,witnessnotshowncompetent,selfservingdecralation.
JudgeFoley:Overruled.
ClarenceHartley:Defendantsexcept.
H.W.Dietrich:Doyouknowwhyordontyou?
PeterLemieux:Yes.
SameObjection
H.W.Dietrich:Youdoknow?
PeterLemieux:Ido.
H.W.Dietrich:Why?
PeterLemieux:Hewantedtoholdtheland.
H.W.Dietrich:Hewantedtoholdtheland?
PeterLemieux:Yes,thisside,thefenceImeantowardstheentry,andhedidntwant
thegovernmenttogoovertheresoheputthatfencethere.
Petergoesontosaythathisfathermaintainedthefences,eventhoughtheywouldgettorndownbypeoplecomingtothePointtopicnic.HealsosaidpeoplecametothePointtogetdriftwood,saying,Everybodygotogetwoodthere,andtheyhavetogototheoldmantogetpermittotakethewood.Intermsofsand,Anyonegoingtotakethelandtheystopthemnottaketheland.Intermsofthetrees,Hestoppedthemnottochoptrees;heusedtotellusDontspoilanythinghere;somedayyouwillgetbenefitfromthis.
Hethentalksofthecemeterythatwastherewhenhewasasmallboy.Thefirst
timeIremembertherewasnofenceandthetimetheIndiantheyburiedthemselvesthereanddontknowenoughtomakeafence.Itwasonlyalittlebitstickputinthereandcedarbarkputforcoveronthetop,orbirchbarkandthatsall.Afterweknowweputboardsthen;aftergetkindofboxcoverlikethat;andafterthatputthefence,woodenfencewecouldntpatchitupanymoreandrottenandsothepeopleinSuperiorandWisconsinPointwegatheredupalittlebitofmoneyandbuybarbwireandputgoodfencethetimeweputthefencethisbarbwireweputlockandItellmysisternottoletanybodygointheretilltheygetpermittoburythemthere.
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AndItellthemdontletanybodytotakeagraveawayout.Anyonewhowantedtoburytherehadtogoandaskpermissionfromtheoldman.
PeterstatesthatthisfatherhadalwaysclaimedthePointandthatnooneclaimeditagainsthim.
QuestioningresumedonJune22,9:30AM.
TheyaskPeterifhisfatherwasanIndian,hesaysPartofit.HesaystheothernationalitywasFrench.HethengoesontosaythathisfatherwasIndianandFrench.(ThishoweverdoesnotseemtoagreewiththehistoricalrecordwhichwouldplaceFrankLemieuxatIndianandFrenchoratleastthatwouldbecloser.)ThequestioningabouthisfatherFrankLemieuxgoeson.PetersaysthatintowntheyusedtocallhisfatherTheSwiss.TheycalledhimFrankLaSwiss,hegotthatnamebecause,theFrenchmencallhimSwiss;andthathisfathersfatherwasSwiss.(IdontknowwhothegrandfatherofFrankLemieuxJr.was.FrankLemieuxSr.wasavoyaguerandtrapperwhowasborninQuebecCityin1788.However
giventheproximityitwouldbepossiblethathisfatherwasFrench/Swiss.DoSwisspeoplelookdifferent?)
ThequestionturnstohisfathersmotherorPetersgrandmother:
Q:Didyouknowyourfathersmother?
A:Yes.
Q:Whatwasshe?
A:HalfIndian;abouthalfbreed.
Q:Andwhatsomethingelse?
A:Yes.
Q:HalfIndian,halfniggerorwhat?
A:No,halfFrench.
(Thisisdifferentthanthehistoricalrecord.PetersgrandmotherwasnameElisabethGautier(Gauthier).ShewasthedaughterofCharlesGautierandJosetteBartemi.Josettewasfullblood.CharlesisthesonofCharlesClaudedeViervilleGautierditLangladewhoisthenephewofCharlesdeLangladewhoisknownastheFatherofWisconsin.Additionally,thelineistracedbacktoFrenchRoyalty.AtanyratePetersgreat-grandfatherwasthesonofCharlesandaWinnebagoIndianSlaveofhisuncle.Thereforehisgrandmotherwasandnot.)
Q:Youknewher;youmetherandsawherdidyou?
A:Yes.
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Q:Wheredidshelive;wheredidyouseeher?
A:IseeherlastbetweenBayfieldandRedCliff;thatswhereshediedthere.
Q:BetweenBayfieldandRedCliff?
A:Yes
Q:SomeIndianvillageor-
A:Yes,yes.
Q:Shemusthavebeenanoldladywhenyousawher?
A:Yes.
Q:Whatcoloreyeshadyourfather,FrankLemieuxorFrankLaSwiss?
A:Whatyousay?
Q:Yourfatherseyeswhatcolorwerethey,-FrankLaSwissorFrankLemieux?
A:Morelikeawhiteman.
Q:Doyouknowwhethertheywerered,greenorblack?
A:No,theyaintblack,butprettynearlikewhiteman.
Q:Whitemensometimeshaveblackeyestooyoudontknowwhatcolortheywere?
A:No,Icouldntmentionwhatcolor.
Q:Didhewearwhiskers?
A:Yes.
Q:Whatkindofwhiskers?
A:Well,asfarasIknowtheywasblackatfirstandthen-
Q:Alloverhisfaceorjustamoustache?
A:Here.
Q:Alloverhisface?
A:Yes.
Q:Washelargerthanyouare?
A:Yes,yes.
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Q:Bigman?
A:Yes.
Q:Doyouknowwhereyourfatherwasborn?
A:Nosir.
Q:Didyoufathereverliveonareservation?
A:No,heneverlivedreservationbuthebelongedtoareservation.
Q:Hewasenrolledsomeplace?
A:Yes.
Q:Wherewasthat?
A:FondduLac.
Q:HewasenrolledintheFondduLacband?
A:Yes.
Q:Thatis,listedamongtheirnumber?
A:Yes.
Q:AslongasyourememberhehasalwayslivedonWisconsinPoint?
A:Yes,sir.
CrossexaminationwasthendonebyClarenceHartley.
ClarenceHartley:YourfatherwasanenrolledmemberoftheFondduLacBandoftheChippewaIndians?
PeterLemieux:Yes,sir.
Q:Andwherewasheenrolled?
A:FondduLac.
Q:FondduLacWisconsin?
A:No,Minnesota.
Q:FondduLacMinnesota?
A:Yes.
Q:WasthereanIndianagencythere?
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A:No,partofthetime,notbeforebutonlyafewyearsago.
Q:Wherewasheenrolledinhislifetime?AtLaPointe?
A:Inthefirstplace,yes.
Q:HewasoriginallyenrolledatLaPointe?
A:No,youseethisenrollmentthatyouaretalkingaboutallMinnesota,partofitMinnesotaandpartofitWisconsinisagency;onLaPointeagencywhattheycallit,thatisthewaytheyusedtogoalways.
Q:ThatsonMadelineIsland?
A:Yes,andafterwhiletheydividedthemselvesamongstthechiefsmakekindofamanagementthemselvestodivideitandsomefromthewesttofartogototheagencytogetthepaymentdivided;wholiveswestsidehadtogotoFondduLacandliveoneastsidehadtogotoLaPointe;thatiswaymyfathergotenrollmenthereat
FondduLac.
Q:AsyouunderstandthatyourfatheroriginallycamefromMadelineIsland?
A:Icouldntsay.Isupposethatistheway.Hisoldfolksusedtolivethere.OfcourseIcouldntsay.
Q:Dontyouunderstandthatthatiswherehewasbornandbroughtup?
A:Nosir,Icouldntsaywherehewas.
Q:Youneverheard?
A:Nosir.
Q:Butyouunderstandhewasoriginallyenrolled-
A:Enrollment-
Q:-atLaPointeasamemberoftheChippewatribe?
A:Yes.Yes.
Q:Didyourfathereverreceiveanallotmentfromthegovernment?
A:Nosir.
Q:Yousaidyourfatherwasamemberofthereservationbutdidntliveonthereservation.Whatdoyoumeanbythat?
A:Well,youseethesamewaymyfathermyself.IdontliveinreservationbutofcourseIbelongtotheFondduLacBandreservation.
Q:Whatreservationdidyourfatherbelongto?
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A:FondduLac.
Q:Andwherewasthereservationthatyourfatherbelongedtoifhelivedwherehebelonged?
A:ReservationFondduLac,Minnesota.
Q:WasthereareservationatFondduLac?
A:Yes,sir.
Q:AndyouareanenrolledmemberoftheLakeSuperiorBandofChippewaIndians?
A:Isupposethatswhatcallit.
Q:Whatdoyoubelongto?Yousayyouareenrolled,whatdoyoubelongto?
A:BelongtoFondduLacreservation.
Q:AndtheplantiffMaggieMartineausheisanenrolledasamemberofthetribe?
A:Yes,sir.
Theyrunthroughalistofthefamilyandallaredeterminedtobeenrolled.HesaystheynevergotanallotmentwhichcontradictsdocumentsshowingthatMaggieLemieuxdidindeedreceiveanallotment.
PetergoesontosayhisfathergotanallotmentandIfIhadthepatenthereIshowyou.Igotitupatthehouse.Hesaysitwasfrom,thetimeClevelandwasPresident.Thisisbornoutfromthecopyofthepatent.
Thereisaninterestingdiscussionofthelandtheyownandmoneythatisdistributed.Petersaysthathe,John,MaggieandPhillipallgetmoneynowfromthefundsoftheChippewa.HesaysYes,sir,wereceiveourmoney,thatsall.Thereisaveryinterestinglineofquestioning:
A:Thegovernmenthas,owesthemoney.Thatsonlyinterestwegeteveryyear.
Q:Thegovernmentowesyoumoney?
A:Yes,sir.
Q:AndthatisfromthesaleofsomelandandtimberbelongingtotheChippewa?
A:Timber.
Whatisinterestingisthatthesepaymentsleadtoanothercaseregardingthevalueofthetimberwhereanotherinjusticewasserved.ItisinterestingthatwhenitfitthegovernmentpurposetheLemieuxfamilywaseithertooIndianortoowhite.
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ClarenceHartleywantsPetertosayhewasborninawigwamtowhichhereplies,No,sir,ofcourseIcouldntsayIwasborninawigwam,onlymyfatherandmothertoldmeIwasborninthefirsthouse.
Thereisthenaninterestingdiscussionoftheleadershipofthetribe:
Q:Youarenowchief?
A:Me?
Q:Yes?
A:Yes,sir.
Q:Andhowdidyougettobechief?
A:Tookmygrandfathersplace.
Q:Andwhowasyourgrandfatherthatyoureferto?A:Mygrandfather?
Q:Yes?
A:Osagie
Q:ChiefOsagie?
A:Yes.
Q:Andhowdidyoutakeyourgrandfathersplace?
A:Mygrandfatherwhenhedied,hegotoneson.
Q:Whowasthat?
A:JohnOsagie,andafterJohnOsagiediedmymothertookit,andmymotherbeforeshediedshegivetometotakeitinmygrandfathersplace.
ThefollowingisthelineageoftheChiefsfortheTribe:ChiefKashe-oshe(B.1780D.?)toChiefJosephOsagie(B.1802D.1876)toChiefJohnOsagie(B.1854D.1895)toChiefIsabelleOsagieLemieux(B.1829D.1906)toPeterLemieux(B.1851D.1938)basedonthesedatesthefollowingwouldapply:
Priorto1854ChiefKashe-oshe
1854to1876ChiefJosephOsagie
1876-1895ChiefJohnOsagie
1895-1906ChiefIsabelleOsagieLemieux
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1906-1938ChiefPeterLemieux
Q:YourmotherbeforeshediedtoldyoutobeChief?
A:Yes,andIgotappointmentfromtheagentCampbell,andsecondappointmentIgotAgentCross.
Q:Heappointedyouchief?
A:Yes,andthirdtimeIgotappointmentthisagenthereinSuperior.
Q:Arethechiefsappointednowbytheagent?
A:Theagent.
Q:Heappointsthechiefs?
A:Yes.
PetersaysthatinhisearliestrecollectionthereweretwoChiefswholivedonWisconsinPoint.ChiefJosephOsagieandhissonChiefJohnOsagie.HartleyasksaboutanotherChiefcalledKakabsheneorsomethingsimilartothat.PetersaysIguessbeforemytime,IguessandafterthatheusedtogotoWisconsinPointandstaytheremaybetwoorthreemonths.Staywithmygrandfather.Thenhemovedagainwherehisvillagewas,thischief.
WethenlearnthatthisChiefKakabshene,hiswifeisScreechingOwl.OnlyScreechingOwlliveonthePointnotChiefKakbshene.ChiefKakbshenelivedontheMinnesotaside.Petersays,JustItellyouawhileagoheonlylivehereonMinnesotaside,andhemovedtheretwoorthreemonthsandstayedwithmygrandfather,and
thenmovedbacktohisplacedidntlivetogether,onlyinsummertimestayedtogether.Hecampedjustthesameaspicknickercampoutthereamonthortwoandgobacktohisplace.
ThereisreferencetoaCaptainSmithwhoisthegrandsonofScreechingOwlandhishalfbrotherJohnLoonsfoot.
PetersaysthatinthesummeronthePoint,ChiefOsagiehispartytheyliveonWisconsinPointonlyinsummertime;differentpartiescomeandvisitthere,monthortwoorthreemonths.PetersayspeoplewouldcomeandvisitthereorexactlyJustvisit,thatsall.Healsosaystheywouldpickberries,huntonthebay,fishand
fixboats.Petersaysthat,TherewasnobodylivingbetweenthePointandBayfield.ImeanthisPointhere,WisconsinPointtoBayfield,nobodyIndianslivedthereonlyWisconsinPointandMinnesotaPoint.
Q:IndianscomingupfromBayfieldandwhitemencomingupfromBayfieldtotheHeadoftheLakesgenerallymadeWisconsinPointtheirheadquarterstostopat?
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A:No,nosir.
Q:Theywouldcomethereandstopandpitchtheirtentsandwigwamsandpreparetheirboats,isthatright?
A:Ofcoursemaybebeforemytime.
Q:Well,afteryourtime?
A:No,sir.
Q:Wheredidtheystop?
A:Nobodydidntcomethereonlywhitemanlandonceinawhile.
PetersayspeoplepassedthroughthePointbutdidntmakeaheadquartersthere.
Hesays,Theypassthroughyousee.Theyportagethere.Didyouseeyesterdaytheportagewheretheycomethrough?Sometimestheretheyonlycometotheentrythereandtaketheportagethereandcomeonthebay.Hethensaysthattheportageswereonlyusedduringstorms.Whentheyleftherewhentheymeetnortheaster;theygotothebay;afterthestormwasovermaketheportage;thatswhatportagefor.
ItappearsthatthecourtwenttothePoint.AdditionallyitseemsthatthedefenseistryingtoestablishthePointwascommonlyusedandnoonelaidclaimtoit.
ThereisthenalotoftechnicaltalkregardingtheplacementoftheportagesandthenareferencetoJohnBradshawandhisbrotherPetewhofishedtheBradshaw
FishinggroundsonthelakesideofthePoint.Hesaidtheybuiltaboardinghouseforthefishermenandthattheyhadafishhousetoo.Additionally,hesaysthatthefishhouseburneddownin1873.Fromtestimonyitappearstheyusedlargenetstofish.
ThefishingcompanyemployedeightorninemenincludingPeterLemieux.TwoothermenarementionedashavingfishiedonthePointnamedWilliamSmithandJohnLaChapelle.ThereisanadditionalfishermanBobMcLeanwhoworkedforDean&Ely.Theareothernamesmentionedaswell,GobinandLouisBeland.
PetersaysthePointisusedforpicnics.Hesaystherehavenotbeenberriesforafewyearsbutthatthereusedtobegoodblueberries.Healsosaysthattheystoppedthe
huntingonthePointbutthattheycouldntstoppeoplefromhuntingducks.
Thereisaveryinterestingdiscussionofpayingtaxes:
Q:Now,haveyoueverpaidanytaxesonanyofthelandonWisconsinPoint?
A:Thegovernmentdontallowustopaytaxes.Indiansdontpaytaxes.
Q:Thegovernmentdoesntallowyou?
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A:Indiansdontpaytaxes,nosir.
Q:Andthatswhyyouhaventpaidany?
A:Certainly.
Q:Youpaidtaxesonyourpropertyoverhereintown?
A:Well,Igotbeatoutofthat.
Q:What?
A:Igotbeatoutofit.Igotright,Iwontpaytaxesanymore.
Q:Wontpayanymoretaxesovertown?
A:No.
Q:Whynot?
A:Becausethegovernmentdoesntallowmetopaytaxes.
TheCourt:Hemeanstheonthehousewhereyoulive?
A:Thegovernmentdontallowmetopaytaxes.
Q:Youalwayshavepaidthem?
A:Igotfooledthatway.
Q:Uptowhattimedidyoupaytaxesoverhereintown?
A:Ididntpayitprettyneartwoyearsnow.
Q:Uptowhattimedidyoupaythem?
A:ThatisthetimeIgotfooled.WhenIfindoutIgotnobusinesstopaytaxesIdontpayitanymore.
Q:ThatiswhyyouneverpaidtaxesonWisconsinPoint,becauseyouthoughtthegovernmentdidntallowIndianstopaytaxes,isthatright?
A:TheIndiansheneverpaystaxes.
Q:What?
A:TheIndianneverpaytax.
Q:ThatiswhyyouneverhavepaidanyonWisconsinPoint?
A:Ofcourse.Indiandontpaynotaxes.
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Thetestimonygetsverycomplicated.Petersays,onefellowcamefromWashingtonandwenttoseemyfather.HartleyasksifPeterfiledaclaimtocontesttheBullenentryandclaimtothePoint.Petersaysthattheyclaimedtheentireisland.RegardingBullensclaim,WhenIfindoutBullenhegotnotitletoitandIlookandmyfathergotmoretitletoitPetersayshemadetheclaimonbehalfofhisfather.
Thereisthendiscussionregardingthepatentandthegovernmentsdecisionin1891toturndowntheLemieuxclaimandentertheBullenclaim.PetersaidthathenevergotanydocumentfromWashingtonthathisclaimhadbeendisallowed.HesaysthatabouttwomonthsagohereceivedadocumentfromWashingtonthathehadtitletothePoint.
ThisiswhereitgetstrickyagainasPeteristryingtoexplainandgetscutoffbythedefenseattorney.Apparentlyin1891PeterwenttoaJudgeRobertsonbehalfofhisfathertofilloutpaperworktocontesttheBullenentryandlayclaimtothepoint.Hedidthisaftertalkingtohisfather.PeterthensaysthathehadpapersfromtheSecretaryoftheInteriorfilledout.WhenaskedhowhegotthepapersfromtheSecretaryoftheInterior.PetersaysthathegottheblankformsfromhisbrotherJohnwhowasattheCarlisleIndianIndustrialSchoolinPennsylvania.WhichwasaboardingschooltoreeducateIndians.
PetersaysthatwhileJohnwasinschoolhewrotetotheSecretaryoftheInteriortogettheblankforms.AfterhegotthemhesentthemtoPeterinSuperior.Petersays,AfterhegotthempapershesenttomeinSuperiortobefilledoutandthelettersbesideswhathewrotetothisblank.Isendyoutwoblanksmaybeonebespoiled,maybeonemightbegood;dontgetanybodytobeatyououtofthistofillout.ItisonlytofillouttheClerkoftheCourtorCountyJudge.SoIwenttoJudgeRoberts.JudgeRobertstoldmeE.L.JohnsonhegotthisPoint.ThatswhathesaidhesaysI
dontknow.IsaysIwantyoutofilloutthisblank,andJudgeRobertssaysNo,IwillgototheRegisterofDeedsofficeandIcomebackinafewminutes.Sohewentandhecomebackandsayshecouldntfilloutthisblank,andIgivehimthisletter;afterhereadtheletterhesaysIwillfillitoutandhefilleditout.IsentittoWashington.
Apparently,Lemieux,BardonandamannamedGageallgotturneddown.Petersaidhefoundouttheywereturneddown,Byyoupeople;whiteman.
PeterthensaysheheardBardonwasappealinginWashington,howeverhedidntfindoutthathehadlostthePointuntilamonthagoin1920.
Peterstates,TheclaimwasafterthisBardonlostoutandIthink,Icouldntsayexactlywhatyear,atthistimeIthinkoldmanCharlieLordwasClerkofCourtandithappenedmyfatherwasinthehouse,hecomeovertovisitmeandCharlieLordhecomeinandhesaysManwanttoseeyouatthecourthouse.Thatsinwinter,sotheoldmangotupandhetoldmehesaysComealongwithmesowewenttothecourthouseandCharlieLordheresthefellowwanttoseehim.Shookhands.IshelivingonthePoint?CharlieLordsaysYes.ThismansaysWhosgotmoretitleto
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thisPoint,Bardonandthisoldman?CharlieLordsays,TheoldmansinceIcomeherewaslivingonthePointandheislivingthereyet,andhegotgoodtitletothePoint,andhesays,Allright.Hesays,HeliketohaveanotherwitnesssoIcomedownandIgotR.B.McLeanandMcLeanhewentthereandthisfellowaskedhim:Youknowthisoldfellow,oldman?Hesays,Yes.Hesays,Whenyoucometothis
country?Hesays1855.WhenyouknowthisoldmanlivingonthePoint?1855,thetimeIcomehereheslivingonthePointandheislivingthereyet.Andhepointedatme.McLeanhesaysHewasalittleboyjustwalkaroundatthetimehecomeandthisoldmanhebeenraisehischildrenrightthePointthereandhegottitletothePoint,notforBardon.Allright.Whenhegotthroughhesays,Iwouldliketohaveanotherone.SoIwentdowntownthereImeetoldmanGeorgeR.Stuntzthesurveyor.
SometimeafterthisexchangethegovernmentgavethelandtoBullen.NooneeverinformedtheLemieuxfamily.
Q:Whendidyoulearnyougotbeat?
A:Gotbeat?
Q:Yes?
A:Ididntgetbeatyet,boy.
Q:YougotbeatbeforetheSecretaryoftheInterior?
A:Nosir.
Q:Ohyoudidnteh?
A:Notforme.
SotheSecretaryoftheInteriordecidedtogivethepatenttoBullenwhichisnotsurprisinggivenhiseastcoastconnections.AfterBardonlostaswellheadvisedthattheyshouldmakesuretoputafenceup.Thereisalotofdiscussiononceagainaboutfences.Petersays,Well,theotherlandtowardsmainlandusedtobecattlearoundthere,sotheywontcomeonthisway,andthisendtowardsendofthePointthegovernmenttheybeentrytogetthis,thePoint,andsoweputthefencethegovernmentnotputitshandsoverthisfenceThegovernment,soitwontputitshandsoverthisfence.Sooneofthefenceswasputuptokeepthegovernmentofftheirproperty.
Thereismuchmoretestimonyonfencesandlocationsandinterestingbitaboutadeposition:
A:Testimonyatthattimetherewasnolegalright.
Thecourt:Whatdoyoumeanbythat?
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A:Didnthaveitlikethistoswearittothefactofcourse;atthetimeonshortnoticeandIcouldntremembereverythingatthetime.
TheCourt:Youwereswornthere?
A:No.
Peterthengoesontotalkaboutthedeepcreekwhichhadsincegonedryandthatthedidntthinktheyneededafencebecauseitwasanisland.Theythenswitchbacktotalkingabouthisdeposition:
Mr.Arnold:Didyoutellthetruthornot?
A:ItwouldbeprettyhardformetosaybecauseIknowsomethingelseagainstthistestimonythere,andtheresanotherpartthere;thatiswhathappenlostoutallthetimelikethatyousee.
Mr.Hartley:Whatthat?
A:ThatisthewayIhavebeenlostoutlotsoftimesthatway.
Q:Whatdoyoumeanbythat?
A:IcantwriteandIcanttalktheEnglishandthetimebeginningtodealwiththeIndianshedontknownothingwhenhemakeanythingthestatementandwhenyoumakeyourownstatementyouputthewordsyougetalongyourselfandnotforme;thatswherewelostoutallthetime.
TheCourt:Whathewantstoknowiswhenyouweretestifyingoverthere,whenyouweregivingtestimonyyouweretryingtotellthetruth?
A:Yes.Yes.
TheCourt:Andyoudidtellitsofarasyouknewit?
A:Yes,yes,sir.
Thetestimonythenfollowsthattheyhadcontinuedtoputpostsupandpeoplekepttakingthemdown.Peterthendeniesmostofhisanswersfromhisdeposition.
PeterthentalksabouthowChiefOsagielivedsaying,Now,Iwilltellyou,prettyhadtorememberthefirsthouse,butsecondhouseIrememberlivedonthereand
summertimemakethewigwamtoliveoninthesummertimeandcommencedinthewinterandwenttoliveintothehouse;andmygrandfatherOsagieheliveinthewigwam,andthetimetogothetimefirstcommencedcouldthengointhewoodstrappingandhuntingandhegotbackaboutNewYears,andhestayedagaintheninthewigwamtoFebruarytimegobackagaindifferentroutetrappingandhuntingandgotoNebagamonandcampthereawhileandprettyneartimetomakingsugarandthencometosugarbushandwhencomesugarbushsowemeethimtheretomakesugar.
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PetermentionsthathisfatherworkedfortheAmericanFurCompany.
PeteristhenagainquestionedaboutOsagieandlineage.ThereisagreatexchangeinwhichPetersays,Well,Iwilltellyou,myfriend,thetimealltheChiefsdontmentionatallWisconsinorMinnesota,dontmentionatall;justonetribeFondduLacBand;youcangotoMichiganaslongasyoubelonghere;thatisthewaytheIndianname.
OsagiewastheChiefsince1854.
Herepeatsthathisfathertoldhimandhissiblings,Dontcutanythingthatsgrowinghere;somedaysyouwillgetthebenefitofthisPoint.
Hesayshissister(Maggie)couldnttalkEnglish.
Nowthereisaredirect.Peterisaskedwhatareservationisandhereplies,Reservationismeannotwhitemangothere;dontlikewhitemantogointoreservation.
PetersayshewenttothreemonthsofgovernmentschoolandthathedoesntunderstandEnglishverywell.Hesaysthatsomeofthequestions,mixmeup.Hethenfurthertalksofhisschooling,ThetimeIwenttoschoolteacheraskedmewhatIwasgoingtolearnandItoldherthefiguresandshegivemeandIcouldnttellyouwhatoneortwoofthemtoatime;andfinallyafterwhilemysisternotmysister,myaunt,Mrs.Lord,givemeChippewabook,andofcourseIcouldntreadnothingandthisCaptainSmith,hishalfbrothertheoneIamtalkingaboutputupthatlittleshackthere.IwenttoonehalfbreedtolearntoreadChippewabook,andthisyoungfellowhereadandIaskhimwhattheycallAorthisA,B,CandhetoldmeaboutitandhementionedafewwordsChippewathisbook,andsothisbookitdontreadthesameasyoupeople.
MaryLaviergethentestifiedwithCharlesJacksonservingasinterpreter.ShesaysshewasborninDuluthin1856.TheystartaskingherquestionsusingEastandWestandshedoesntunderstand.JacksonpointoutthatifyesterdaywhentheywereonthePointtheyhadaskedhershecouldhavepointeditout.
Marytalksaboutgettingmarriedat16andmovingtoGrandPortageandcomingbackaftertwoyears.Shestatesthatsheandherhusband,theymovedintothesecondhousebecausemyfatherandhusbandcouldntgetalong.Shesaysofthehousethat,AfteroldladyKakabashanemovedoutshegivethehosetomyfather
forthelumberthatshereceivedfromhim,andmyfathergaveittome.
MarysaysthatherfatherlivedonthePointupuntilfivedaysbeforehisdeathandthathediedinthehospitalinSuperior.Thereismorediscussionoffencesandthelocationsofthehouses.Atonepointtheinterpretersays,ShesaysIwanttoaskthelawyerssomething,andIsaysNo,theyaresupposedtoaskyou.TheJudgesays,Findoutwhatitisshewantstoask.Shedoesntunderstandwhenapersonspeakstooloud.Sheskindofnervous.
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Thereismoretalkoffencesandshedoesntmentionthatshehelpedtostoppeoplefromtakingcordwoodandsand.Whenaskedwhothepeopletakingthesewereshesays,Ididntknowthewhitepeople.ShetalksofpeoplestealingthesandandwoodfromthePointfromherfather.
Shegoesontosay,Itssincethenewgeneration.Iwouldsaythatwhohadlivedtherebeforewevisitthemjustthesameaswevisitourownnationalitytheolderpeopleweregoodpeoplebutthosethatcometheyoungergenerationistheonetheyhavetroublewithbecausetheystealit.
MarysaysitisonlytheLemieuxfamilythatlivesonthePoint.MarysaysthatoneyearwhenshehadleftthePointthatherhousewasdestroyed.Itwasdestroyedbythecruisersatthetimethattheydugupthegraves.IknowhisnameisJim,buthislastnameIdonotknow,butIcouldrecognizehimifIsawhim.
Sheisthencrossexaminedandiscertainlyanadversewitness.
Q:WhatpartofthePointdidyourfatherFrankLemieuxoccupy,whereabouts?
A:Wewasuptoityesterday,didntyouseeit?
TheCourt:Tellhertoanswerthequestion.Whilehedidseeitthatdoesntgetitintotherecord.
A:Well,heclaimedthewholePoint.
Thenashorttimelater:
Q:Whatwastheargumentabout,Mr.Interpreter,betweenyouandthiswitness?
Interpreter:Shebegantosayaboutsomeotherhouse,andItoldher,no,wantedtoknowthishousewhetherthathousewasthereatthetimeherfathertoldhertomove.
Shethendescribesherfamilyandthatshewasentrustedwiththekeystothehouse.Shealsotalksabouttryingtogetthewhitepeopleoffthepointwhowerelivingthereintents.ShealsotalksoftryingtocollectrentfrompeoplelivingonthePoint.Shesaysthatherandherhusbandhadtwocows,somehorses,chickensandpigs.
Theyusedthehorsesforhaulingwoodandoddjobs.
Mr.Hanitchthegoesontosay,Now,mayitpleasethecourt,thiswitnesssaysagreatdealandwegetverylittlefromtheinterpreter,andIdontmeantosaythattheinterpreteristryingtoactunfairly,butitseemsthathethinksheistodeterminewhatistheproperanswerandwhatanswershouldbemadeanddoesntgivewhatthewitnessreallysays
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Mr.Jacksonsays,WhenshesaskedaquestionItryandcorrectherandwanttheanswer,andinsteadofthatsherunsoffintosomestorylike.
Marysaysthatherhusbandservedasthegravediggerandtheywantedpaymentfromwhitesthatwantedtoburythere.Itcostthreetosixdollars.ShesaysthatmostofthepeopleburiedtherewereherrelativeincludingChiefOsagie.
AskedaboutclaimstoherhouseonthePointMarysays,Nobodyhaseverdisputedagainstme,onlywhitepeople.
TheyhelpedSkybuildthehouseandshesays,AfterSkydiedthehousewasgivenbacktomyhusbandandhetoreitdownandtooktheboardssothatnowhitepeoplewouldliveinit.
MarythengavetestimonyinrelationtoownershipofthePoint:
Q:Mrs.Lavierge,ayearagolastfallyousoldthiscompanyallofyourinterestinanypartofWisconsinPointdidyounot?
A:Ididntunderstandhiminthatway,butifImoveawayfromtheretheywerewillingtopaymeforit,formovingaway.
Q:YousignedadeedconveyingallofyourinterestinthePoint?
A:IcantreadorwriteandIdontknowwhattheydone.
Q:Yousignedthedeedyourselfdidyou?
A:TheonlypaperthatIhavereferencetoofsigningistheremovalofgraves.
Q:Youreceivedfifteenthousanddollarsatthetimeyousignedthepapersandtheyweredelivered?
A:Yes,theygavemethatfortheremovalofthegraves,andforustomoveoffbutIdidnotselltheproperty;thatistheland.
Q:AtthattimeyouclaimedthatyouandyourhusbandweretheonlyoneswhohadoccupiedthePointformanyyears?
A:AftermyfatherandmotherdiedItookchargeoftheproperty,thepropertywaslefttomeandthereforeIcouldnotsellforIwasnottheonlyonethathadinterest.
Q:Atthetimeyougotthisfifteenthousanddollarsyouclaimedthattheplantiffsinthiscase,JohnandPeteandMaggieMartineauandPhilliphadnointerestwhateverinanypropertyuponthePoint,isntthattrue?
A:No,Ididnotsayit.
Q:Youclaimedatthattimethatthehousewhichisnowstandingwasyourproperty,thehousethatyourmotherandfatherlivedin?
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A:Ididntsaythat.Isaidthehousewasgiventomyson.
Q:AndyouclaimedthatyourmotherandfatherhadneveroccupiedanypartofthePointexceptrightwhereyourhousestood?
A:Theydidntunderstandme.Itoldthemthatmyfatherlivedhereandthereonthe
Point.
Q:YourfatheroccupieddifferentplacesonthePoint?
A:Itsthemfourhousesthatwespokeofandinwarmweatherhelivedinwigwamoutside.
Q:Nearthehouse?
A:Yes,notagreatways.
Q:Andthosefourplaces,theplaceswherethosefourhouseswas,thatisthepartof
thePointwhichyourfatheroccupied?
A:Yes,sir,andthishousethatsnowstandingiswhereheleftfromwhenfromwhenhewenttothehospital.
Q:IshowyouDefendantsExhibit1,andaskyouifthisisthedeedorpaperwhichyougavewhenyougotthe$15,000.
A:IdidntknowofanypaperandIdidntseeanyatthattime.
Q:YouandyourhusbandandtheYoungsandDurfeesgotfifteenthousanddollars?
A:ThemoneywasgiventomeandthenIgavethemeachfivethousanddollars.Q:Nopartofthefifteenthousanddollarswasusedtopayanyoftheexpensesofmovingthebodiesfromthecemetery?
A:No,noneofthiswasused;Idontknowwhattheotherpartydone.
Q:DidyoueverseeDefendantsExhibit1before?
A:Idonthavenorecollectionofeverseeingit.
Q:Andyousaythatnopaperwasdeliveredtothecompanyatthetimeyougotthisfifteenthousanddollars?
A:Igavenopapersandtheygavemenone.
JoeLavierge,Maryshusbandwasnexttotestify.HesaysheliveonthePointandthenheisaskedtolocateplacesonamapofthePoint.HestatesthatheandFrankLemieuxputupfencesaroundthePoint.Hesaysthefencewastokeepthecowin
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andthattheywouldbringmilkdowntoBardons.ThereisanamusingexchangewhenJoeinreferencetoadatesays,Idontknow.Ofcourseyouknowdamnwellafellowissooldhedontthinkofanythingbecausehedontknowit.
ThequestioningmovestoownershipofthePointandhesays,IrememberthatJohnBardontoldmethatinthesamewinterhemovedaway;hesaid,ThegovernmentsentmeawayinhomehesaidGovernmentownsthatlandhesaid.Thatswhathesaid.Ididntknowanythingaboutitanymore.
TheyonceagaintalkaboutfencesonthePointandJoesayshecouldntrepairthemallthetime,youcantpatchitallthetimethatfence;youbetired.Hetalksaboutpeoplepullingdownthefencesbutthathedidntseebecausehewasntthereallofthetime,OfcourseIwasawaysometimesworking.IdidntstayinthereallthetimeonthePoint.Ihavetoworktosupportmychildrensomethingtoeat.
Thereareobjectionsmadebythedefenseaboutleadingquestions.Dietrichaskstouseaninterpreterandthejudgethathesayshetalkstowelltouseoneandhe
mightbedeaf.Joesaysinresponse,Thatsallthatbothersme;Icanthear.
LateronJoestopsansweringquestionsandstates,Yes,thatisthereasonIdontliketosayinhere.IfIwasgoodmyearsImightsaysomething.Itoldhimheretheotherday.ItoldhimIcanthear.
JoethentalksaboutheandMarymovingbackinwithFrankaftertheylivedinGrandPortage.ItappearstothatthehouseswerebuiltwithlumberthatfloateduponthePointfromLakeSuperior.JoealsosayshedoesntclaimthelandofthePointbutdoesclaimhishouse.
OncrossexaminationheisaskedaboutothersmakingclaimtothePointandhesays,Oh,well,Superiorboysinhere,comeinoverthere,andhetellmeJohnniewanttoclaimthePointhesaid.Itoldhim,Allright,itaintmybusinesswhatIsaid.Idontgiveadamnwhathedoes.
Joethenagaintalksaboutpeoplecomingoutandtakingdowntheirfences.
JoereitereatesthathehasnoclaimtothePoint,No,sir,Ineverclaimedanythingatall.EvenmystickofwoodIdidntclaimititwouldbemine.Ishoveitinthestoveitwouldbemine.
Joethenstates,IsaidtoyouonceitwasJohnLemieuxtoldmeaboutit.Hesaidour
father,Iownsit,Iclaimit.IwanttoholdthePointhesays.Itoldhimallright.Thatsall.IdidntsaythatIclaimitintheretoo.
JoesaysthereasonthattheymovedfromthesecondhouseisFrankLemieuxtooktheboardsoffoftheroof.
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Q:Yourememberwhenyoursoldyourplaceovertheretothecompany?
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A:Ididntsolditanythingtothecompanyatall.
Q:Didntyousellanything?
A:Nosir,Ididntsellanythingatalltothecompany.OfcourseitwasnoneofmybusinesstosellanythingwhenIdontownit.IfIownsitIwouldsellit.Ididntsellit
tothemanythingatall.
Q:Whodid?
A:Nobody.
Q:Didntanybodysellanything?
A:Nobodydidntsellanythingtothecompany.
Q:Well,youmovedthebodiesoutofthecemetery?
A:Yes,Iworkforthecompany;thecompanyhiredmetoworkinthere.Q:Andyouwenttowork?
A:Iwenttowork.
Q:Whoelseworked?
A:Nicols.
Q:Nicolstheundertaker?
A:Yes
Q:Andwhoelse?
A:Anotherfellow,Idontknowhisname.
Q:Youngwork?
A:No.
Q:Durfeework?
A:Nobodybutme.
Q:Youdidalltheworkdidyou?
A:Iworkedinthenighttoo.Iwatchinnight.
Q:Andyoumovedoutofyourhouse?
A:Ididntmoveit;somebodytoreitdown.
Q:Companytoreitdown?
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A:Companytoreitdownandthecompanysmenwentthereandbustedthedoors.
Q:Torethemdown?
A:Torethemdown.
Q:Didyouevermakeanyclaimagainstthecompanyforthat?
A:No,Ineversaidanythingatalltothecompany.
Q:YougotyourfolksandtheYoungsandtheDurfeesandyouallmovedovertotowndidntyou?
A:Well,yes.
Q:AndyougaveupyourplaceonthePoint,didntyou?
A:Well,hetoldmetomoveaway;thatsallIknowitandmywifeaskedthe
companyifhewasntgoingtobuythatoldhouseandhesaidNothatsall.Q:Andjustformovingawaytheygaveyoufifteenthousanddollars?
A:Well,Isupposethatmuch;Ididnthearhowmuch.
Q:Didntyougorightuptothebank?
A:Well,Igodowntothebank,thatsallIsee.Lawyerholdingmoneyinthere.Lawyerdidnttellmehowmuchhegiveus.
Q:Butyousignedadeed?
A:Didntsignanythingatall.NobodycanprovethatIsignedanything.
Q:Youmadeyourmarkonadeed?
A:No,notme.
Q:Notyou,eh?
A:No.
Q:BeforeJohnGadiganandMr.Crawfordatthebank?
A:Isupposehewasholdingthemoneyoverthere.Ididntgooverthere;juststandbythedoorandtakeasmoke.
Q:Thatsallyougot?
A:ThatsallIgottodowithit.
Q:Iwillshowyouthisexhibit1andaskifthatisthepaperthatwasdelieveredtomeatthetimeyougotthemoney?
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A:IfyougivemeathousandthekindofpapersIdontknowanythingaboutit.
Q:AndatthattimeyoudidntsaythatyoudidntclaimanyinterestinthePointdidyou?
A:No.
Q:Younevertoldthecompanywhenyougotthefifteenthousanddollarsthatyoudidntclaimanyinteresttheredidyou?
A:No,Ididntsayanythingtothecompanyatall;Ineversaidanythingtothecompany.Ineverdidsayanythingtothecompany.
Q:YouwenttotheofficeofthecompanyinDuluthandyoucametoourofficeeveryfewdays?
A:Inevergo.IwentinyourofficeonlyoncethattimeIwentwiththeYoungs.
Q:AndyouwenttoMr.Gadigansoffice?
A:Iwentintheretwoorthreetimes.
Q:AndyouwereclaiminganinterestinthePointatthattimewerentyou?
A:Nosir.
Q:YouneverclaimedanyinterestinthePoint?
A:No,Ineverclaimedanythingatall.
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