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Episode71-WinecastwithHeather:ConfessionsofUnusualThingsWe’veTriedintheNameof

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Child:Welcometomymommy’spodcast.

Katie:Ifyou’relikemeandyouliveinareawhereit’ssometimeshardtofindanykindofspecialtyingredientsespeciallyifwe’retalkingaboutorganicingredients,glutenfreefoodsorallergyfriendlyfoods,IhighlyrecommendthatyoucheckoutThriveMarket.So,ThriveislikeacombinationofCostco,AmazonandWholeFoods.Andhere’swhyIsaythat.So,likeCostcotheyhaveayearlymembershipfeeandthisletsyouaccessalloftheirspecialpricinganddeals.LikeAmazonthey’reonlineandtheyalsohaveveryfastshippingandit’susuallyfreewithmostorders.AndthenlikeWholeFoodtheycarryhighqualityfoodsandspecialtyingredientsandespeciallyfocusonGMOfreeandorganicfoods.So,it’sreallybeenhelpfultomeandIknowthatyou’regoingtoloveittoo.Youcanalsogetafreejarofcoconutoilwithyourfirstorder.So,checkthemout.Gotothrivemarket.com/wellnessmama.

TheothersponsorforthisepisodeisTheWellnessMamaCookbookandyes,thatismycookbook,butIwantedtospecificallytalkaboutitforasecondbecauseIspentalotoftimecompilingthiscookbookasaresourceforbusymoms.AsamommyselfIknowthatyoujustdon’thaveextratimetospendhoursandhourseachdayinthekitchen.Andthisiswhythecookbookcontainsallofourfamilyfavoriterecipes.Manyofthemyoucanmakeinunderhalfanhourusingonlyonepan.So,youcansaveonthedishesaswellandtheyhavesneakyveggies,whichuseveggiesinplaceofalotoftherefinedingredientsinmanyfoods.Iknowthatyou’refeelinglovetherecipesasmuchasoursdoessograbitatanymajorbookstoreonAmazonorcheckitoutonwellnessmama.com.

WelcometotheHealthyMomsPodcast.I’mKatiefromwellnessmama.comandI’mherewithHeatherfrommommypotamus.comandwhilewenormallyhaveasaunacast,todaywearehavingawinecastbecauseitjustfeellikeawinekindofday.Andtheironyiswe’reactuallyinapod.So,thisisverytechnicallyapodcastaswell.

Heather:It’sapodcast,winecast,everythingcast.

Katie:Yes.Andit’sgoingbesuperfun.AndIthinkit’llbeevenmorefunsincewe’vehadone,ifwestartwiththesomeconfessionsofhealthbloggers/peoplewhowilltryanythingonce.So,HeatherjokesthatIhavetalkedherintodoingalotofthingsandthatwouldbe…

Heather:Thisistotallytrue.

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Heather:Yeah.IalreadysaidI’mgoingstartasecretblog,“ThingsKatieMadeMeDo.”ButImeanlikenowIthinkI’mgonnabesprayingbacteriaonmyselfandmykidsandI’mgonnahavetoexplainthattomyhusbandsomehow.So,youhearmypatsy.

Katie:Perfect.Iusedtotellanylikehospitaladministrationthatifyoueverhavetogetstitches,but…

Heather:Yeah.Probablynot.So,let’stalkaboutsomeofthethingsyou’vetalkedmeinto.TherearetwothingsI’mnevergoingadmitto.

Katie:Meneither.

Heather:Butyouguyscanguessinthecommentsifyouwanttoknowandifyoudon’tgetitright,chancesareyou’llprobablygiveussomeideaofsomethingtotry.

Katie:Exactly.

Heather:Butyouhavetalkedmeintostandinginatankthatwasnegative210degreesorsomething…Wasit210?

Katie:Yeah.Let’stalkaboutthis.So,thisiscryotherapyandIactuallywillsaylikemyhusbandisthecraziestwiththisbecausehewentdowntolikenegative280onetimejusttoseeifhecoulddoitandI’mlike,“Youhavefunwiththat,”becauseIwoulddie.

Heather:Yes,nokidding.

Katie:So,talkaboutwhyyoulovecryotherapybecauseyou’reactuallybetteraboutitthanIamnow.

Heather:So,Ireally,really,reallyhatethecold,butIdo…Imean,theresearchallsuggestslikeoneofthevery,verybestthingsthatwecandoforourselvesistotrainourbodiestoadapttobothhot/heatandcold.So,likewhenI’minmysaunaandlikemybodyisproducingheatshockproteinswhichprotectsDNAandtheydoallkindsofthings,theyareamazing.Likewealreadytalkedaboutthosecrazywormsthatlikelive30%longerifyougivethemexposuretoheatbecausetheyproducethoselittlemagicalheatshockproteins.Butintermsoflikebiohacksthereisnothingthatbeatscold.AndthatkindofstinksbecauseIhatethecold,butIcanstanditfortwominutes.Andso,youtalkedmeintogoingtothiscryotherapyplacewithyou.Andso,Ihoppedinthereandohmygosh,likeitwasn’tasbadlikeIremembersayingtotheguywhoobviouslyhasnoframeof

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reference.Iwaslike,“Well,it’snotasbadaschildbirth.”Whichistotallyliketherightthingtosaytoarandompersonyoumetfiveminutesbefore.

ButitwasamazinghowIfeltafterwards.LikeIfeltjustunbelievableandIknowit’stheendorphins,butitwasmorethanthat.Itreallyresetmystressresponse.Like,weallexperienced…almosteveryonehasanexposuretochronicstressanditcanbethroughanythingjustlikelightthat’scomingatusatthewrongtimeofdaythat’slikestressingourbodiesandmessingupourcircadianrhythmoryouknow,justlikeastressfulexperienceandohmygosh,ifyougoonlineyou’reprobablyexperiencingsomethingstressful.

Katie:Iwantthisbook.

Heather:Butyeah,Imeanlikeitreallyresetmystrengthtoresponseandnowlike…youknow,myhusbandandIit’slikeoneofourfavoritedatestodolikewejust…thisislikethethingwedo.Gotocryotherapyandgetasandwichafterwards.That’sourfavoriteshot.Socool.

Katie:Yeah.IlovethatandIwillsayIstillabsolutelyjustspiceit.Infact,likethepoorguyatthecryoplacehastohearmeforthree…becauseit’sonlythreeminutes,that’sthething.It’snotlikeanhour.Likesomethingjustthatyou’resupposedtodoinforlikeanhour.So,thisisveryfastandlikeyoucoulddoanythingforthreeminutesevensuper-supercold,butI’msuchababyaboutit.Andthewholetimelike,“Ican’tdothis.Ithurts.”Andlikethisguynowknowsandhe’slike,“It’sokay,you’refine.”Hewon’tturnitoffwhentheytellhimto.He’sjustlike,“You’reokay.”Butit…

Heather:Ifheturnsitoffdoyousay,“Whydidyouturnitoff?”

Katie:Exactly.So,helikewon’tletmeoutnow.AndIjokemyhusbandbecausehecanstaysomuchlongerandwaycolderthanmewhichhisgenes…thatitalsomakessense.ButI’malsolike,“Butyouhavefur.Guyshavefur.Likeyouhavehairalloveryourbody,Idon’t.I’mfreezing.”

Heather:Yeah.

Heather:Andyouknowwhat’sreallycoolandI’m…thisislikesupernerdypartofme,butI’vebeenreadingthisbookcalled“WhatDoesn’tKillUs”andit’saboutWimHof,thisguyIdon’tknowwhere…helivessomewhereinScandinaviaandhelikeclimbsvery,verycoldmountains.We’retalkinglikenegativesomething,somethingdegreesinhisshortsandapairofboots.AndthereasonhecandothatisthathehasatonofbrownfatwhichIdidn’tevenknowthisisathinguntilafewyearsago.Butmostofushavewhitefat.We’rebornwithbrownfatthoughbecauselikelittlebabiestheydon’thavethemetabolicabilitytogenerateheatusing…Idon’tknow,liketheirmetabolismorwhateveritis.Itdoesn’tgenerateheatthesameway.So,theyhavethisbrownfatthatgeneratesaboutlikewhat?Thirtypercentmoreheat.

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Katie:Yeah,that’scrazy.

Heather:Anditliterallyjust…it’slikeaninternalheaterandsothemoreyouexposeyourselftocoldthemoreyourbodyadapts.Andthecoolthingaboutthebrownfatisthatitrevsupyourmetabolism.

Katie:Yeah.Likeitdoesn’tmakeyoufat.Youarenevergonnabefatforhavingbrownfat.

Heather:Yeah.It’sliketheopposite.It’sliketheanti-fatfat.

Katie:Yeah,exactly.So,that’ssointerestingthatyousaythatbecauseI’vealwaysjokedthatlike…becauseourbabiesatdifferenttimeshavebeenonourbedandIalwaysjokeit’slikesleepingwithaspaceheater,butitliterallyactuallyisbecausethey’regeneratingallthisextraheat.AndI’vereadalittlebitaboutWimHoftoo.Iknowpeoplewhohavegonethroughhistrainingwhichislike,fromwhatIcantellfromInstagram,yousitinalotoficewaterforalongtime.I’mlike“I’llsticktocryotherapy,thanksverymuch.”

Heather:Yes.Iknow.I’mabigbaby.

Katie:ButheisincredibleandheholdsalltheseworldrecordsforlikeamountoftimestayinginanicechamberandlikehedidIthinkamarathoninAntarcticalikewithjustshoesandshortsorsomething.

Heather:Withshorts,exactly.Right.

Katie:Yeah.Soobviouslylikehe’samutant,whichmutantsisgonnabeanotherpodcastonedaybecausewearebothmutants.It’skindoffunbutnotascoolmutantsashim.

Heather:Yeah.Well,maybewe’llgettheresomeday.Wedon’thavetoextendthethingsKatietalkedmeintorepertoire.DidIsaythatright?

Katie:Youdid.

Heather:Butyouknow,actuallywhenyouthinkaboutthistooitmakessensethatourchildren…Idon’tknowaboutyours,butmykidswillrunoutsidewithoutpantsoninDecember.AndI’llbelike,“Youhavetowearpantsbecauseyou’remakingmelooklikeabadparent.”Butit’snotactuallybotheringthematall.Likethey

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adapttocoldsomuchbetteruntilthatbrownfatstartstofadeaway.Andtheonlyreasonitfadesawayisbecausethebodydecidesyoudon’tneeditanymoreifyou’reinatemperaturecontrolledenvironment.Butlikethat’soneoftheweirdthingsaboutthewaythatwelivenow.Weliveinanenvironmentthatdoesn’tfluctuatelikeitnormallydidlikehotandcoldthroughspring,summerandyouknow,likedifferentseasons.Andthenalsoevenlikerealbasicthingslikedayandnight.

Katie:Yeah.Well,okay.Andyousaidlikeenvironmentsthatdon’tfluctuate.Andso,likeanotherconfessionwecanmakeisfloattanks.

Heather:That’strue,yeah.

Katie:Becausethatenvironmentdoesnotfluctuateatall.Iknowlikethesearen’tasgoodforyoubecauseofmutationsIthinkandstuffasme,butbasicallyyouhaven’theardofit.Theideaisyou’refloatinginsensorydeprivation.So,you’reinabout1,000poundsofEpsomsaltdissolvedinwaterthat’sexactlyatbodytemperatureandyou’realsodeprivedoflightandsound.So,it’salittlebitcrazythefirsttime.

Heather:Yeah.Imean,actuallyIreally,reallylovedit.Liketheysaidthatitcanscareyoualittlebit,butIthinkifyou’relikeamomofwell,okaymomofone,momofanyonethenlikesensorydeprivationislikenotthescariestthingyou’dfacethatday.AndIreallyloveditandIkindofthinkmaybewhatKatieistalkingaboutisIfeltalittlenauseousafteritbecausethemagnesiumsulfatehaslikeasulfurcomponentthatIdidn’tprocessreallywell.Butmybodyactuallydoesprocesssulfurbetternowsoweshouldmakeadate.

Katie:Weshould.Andmaybeifwecouldeverfindlikeamagnesiumchlorideversionofafloattank,itwouldbebetter.

Heather:Thatwouldbeevenawesome.

Katie:Butitis,it’strue.It’slikemostpeople,likemyhusbanddidn’tlikeitbecauseitwaslikeyouhavetogointhiskindofpodandclosethedoorandit’sdarkandquietandalittlebitodd.Butasamomwhofantasizesaboutquietandmybiggestdreamistogosleepinabasementthathasnolightorsound,itwasprettyawesome.

Heather:Itwasreallycool.

Heather:Whatelsehavewedonethatwecanadmitto?

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Katie:So,wedidthemudbath.

Heather:That’strue,yeah.

Katie:Thatwasoneofourfirstlikemeet-ups.

Heather:Yeah.Dowehavephotosofthatyounever…?Wehavesomephotossomewhere.

Katie:Idid.Maybeifwedidn’tenoughwine,we’llputapictureontheshownotesornot.

Heather:Ohgosh,I’veneverseenthosephotos.I’dloveto.Wedoneedaphototogether.

Katie:Wedo.Actually,wedorandomthingslikebrushingourteethwithcharcoalbutwe’vebothtalkedaboutthesekindsofthings.Idon’tthinkthat’soddanymore.Welikemadeitkindofmainstreamtobrushourteethwithweirdthings.LikeyoubrushwithturmericandIbrushwithcharcoalandyeah,webothgetlotsofhatemailforthepicturesofusdoingthat.Apparentlyitoffendsalotofpeoplereallyseriouslythatwewouldhaveblackoryellowteethbut…

Heather:Yeah.Ithinkit’skindoffunnybecauseIthinkpeoplehavesaidbeforelikehowdoyouhaveahusbandthatlikesyoubecauseitlookslikefromyourblogpoststhatallyoudoisbrushyourteethorlooklikeyouatecheetosandthenwearfunnyglasses.But,Imeanmypercentageofwearingfunnyglassestimeisprettylowexceptfortheevening,whichdoesn’tcountbecausemyhusbandisalsowearingfunnyglasses.

Katie:Funny.It’slikeabondingexperience.

Heather:Itis,yeah.

Katie:Yeah.Actually,someonesaidthatexactthingonmypostabouttheorangesunglassesbecausemyoriginalonesweretheselikesixdollarUvexsunglassesthatareactuallyshootingglassesthatyouwearwhenyoushootwhichIalsolovedoingthat.It’soneofourfavoritedatenights.It’sgoingshootingbut…

Heather:ThosearenotoneofthethingsKatiehasmademedoyet.

Heather:Itshouldbenext.

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Katie:So,we’regonnagoshootnext.Butthey’renotattractiveandIpostedapicturewiththemanditwashilarious.Allthesepeoplewerelike,“Ican’tbelieveyourhusbandisstillmarriedtoyouafteryouwearingthat.”AndI’mlike,“Dude,myhusbandhasseenmegivebirth.”Likethatisnottheworstthingyousee.

Heather:Fortunately,actuallythenewonesthatareoutaresonicethatIworethemonanactualdatewithmyhusband.Likewehavedatenightseveryonceinawhileandwewentout,grabbedoystersandIworethembecauseIwaslike,“Theymakemefeelgood.Theyhelpmesleepgood.”Andsoyeah,Iworethemtothedate.Andthey’renotugly.

Katie:So,thisisawesome.

Katie:Soyeah,Ihavealsowornthemoutactuallyforamom’snight.AndIputthemonbecauseitlikegotdarkwhileweweresittingthereandlikethey’reorangeglasses.They’reattractivebutthey’restillorange.Andthiswaiterwalksuptousandhe’slikethissupermuscularlikebody-buildertypewho’sprobablylikejustoutofcollegeorsomething.Andhegoes,“Dude,arethoseBluBlockers?”AndI’mlike,“YouknowwhatBluBlockersare?That’sawesomewearethemainstream.”

Heather:It’strue.

Katie:Butifyou’relisteningandyoudon’tweshouldprobablyactuallyexplainwhatBluBlockersareandwhywewearthem.

Heather:Right.Sofirstofall,yeah,we’regonnarunoutofthingstotalkaboutbecausewe’retotallylikebecomingmainstreamnow.

Katie:No,what?We’resupposedtobeweird.

Heather:Likeremember…Imean,likenowtherearelikemain…likehugemagazines,likescientificmagazinesaretalkingaboutthegutbrainconnectionandliketheonlypeoplethatweretalkingaboutthisafewyearsagowerelikemomswhowere…

Katie:Iknowthat’scrazy.

Heather:Yeah.Whoweresolvingjusttryingtohelptheirfamiliesandsonowit’skindofamazinglikethesedayswhenIwannaknowlikewhatcuttingedgeresearchisIlikegoaskthemomswhoarelikeoutonthefrontlinesolvingtheseissues.Okay,sogoingbacktotheglasses.Ourcircadianrhythmwhichapparently

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has…it’slikeonemasterclockthathasalltheseothermadeclocks.Ittellsuslikewhattimeofdayitisandnotonlythat,butitalignseveryaspectofbiologicalfunctioningtodayandnight.Howaboutyoutakeover.

Katie:Ifyou’relikemeandyouliveinanareawhereit’ssometimeshardtofindanykindofspecialtyingredientsespeciallyifyou’retalkingaboutorganicingredients,glutenfreefoodsorallergyfriendlyfoods,IhighlyrecommendthatyoucheckoutThriveMarket.So,ThriveislikeacombinationofCostco,AmazonandWholeFoods.Andhere’swhyIsaythat.So,likeCostcotheyhaveayearlymembershipfeeandthisletsyouaccessalloftheirspecialpricinganddeals.LikeAmazonthey’reonlineandtheyalsohaveveryfastshippingandit’susuallyfreewithmostorders.AndthenlikeWholeFoodstheycarryhighqualityfoodsandspecialtyingredientsandespeciallyfocusonGMOfreeandorganicfoods.So,it’sreallybeenhelpfultomeandIknowthatyou’regonnaloveittoo.Youcanalsogetafreejarofcoconutoilwithyourfirstorder.So,checkthemout.Gotothrivemarket.com/wellnessmama.

ThisepisodeisalsosponsoredbyTheWellnessMamaCookbook.AndasImentionedbeforethisisaresourcethatIworkedforhundredsandhundredsofhoursontocreateaguidethatwouldactuallybeuseful,practicalandreallyeasytouseformomswhoarebusyandwhodon’thavehoursandhourseachdaytospendinthekitchenbutwhoalsoprioritizecookingrealfood.Andmykidshelpedmetesttheserecipessothey’redefinitelyfamilyapproved.They’realsomomapprovedandhereiswhy.LikeIsaid,IamanincrediblybusymomandIdon’thavealotofextratime.So,themajorityofrecipescanbemadeinunder30minutesandalotofthemcanbemadeinonlyonepanbecauseI’mpersonallynotabigfanofdishesandwouldrathernotdoanymorethanIhaveto.So,youcancheckoutthecookbookatanymajorbookstoreonAmazonoronwellnessmama.com.Itcontainsover200family-friendlyrecipesaswellassomemealplans,someguidanceonplanningandsomehow-toforgettingyourfamilyonboardwitheatinghealthy.

Ialsoliketotellpeoplethatit’sacompletelygrain-freecookbook.Butifyoudon’tdowellwithgrains,youcaneasilyaddinthingslikericeandpastatodishesformostmeals.WhatIdidthoughisIreplacedalotoftherefinedingredientsintherecipeswithvegetables.Ourfamilydoesnoteatanyrefinedflourorrefinedsugar,soI’vereplacedthoseinrecipeswithvegetablesthatkidslovelikezucchiniandcabbageandsweetpotatoes.Andthere’severythingfromlasagnatochickenfingerstoShepherd’spieandallofourfamilyfavorites.YoucancheckthemoutlikeIsaidanymajorbookstoreoratwellnessmama.com.Nowbacktotheepisode.

Katie:Okay.Sobasically,thetheorythatIoperateonandthereasonIwearorangesunglassesisifyouthinkaboutitjustbiologicallylikecommonsense.Wedon’tevenhavetogetintothescience.Onceuponatime,untilabout50,60yearsago,itgotdarkandyouturnedonlikeincandescentlightbulbsonlyorcandlesorafireplaceoryoudidsomethingcrazyandwenttobed.Butnowwehavethesecomputerscalledphonesthatwewalkaroundwithattachedtoourfaceatalltimesandwe’restaringatthemat11:00atnightandtheyhavebluelight.Andfromabiologicalperspective,theonlytimewe’reseeingthatinnatureiswhenduringthebrightestpartofthedaywhentheskyandthecloudsarereflectingbluelightdown.Andso,you’regettingthatandit’ssuperimportanttogetitattherighttime.Bluelightisactuallyreally-reallygood.LikeIdon’twanttogettheimpressionbluelightisbadbecauseit’sawesomebutwe’regettingitatthewrongtimeofday.

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Soessentiallyataverybasiclevel,you’resignalingyourbodyat11:00atnightthatit’s12:00intheafternoonandthatit’stimetobealertandawakeandtogohuntandfishanddoallthethingsyou’resupposedtodo,butyou’retryingtosleeprightafterthat.So,ifanybodyhaslookedattheresearchlikesleepdisturbancesarehugeandthey’rerising.Hormoneproblemsarehugeandthey’rerising.Likekidsarehavingtheseissuesandweareallstillstaringatbluelightscreensatalltimesinthenight.So,IthinkIwrotethatpostlikefiveyearsago,butmythoughtwasbywearingglassesthatblockedthosespectrumsofbluelight,youcanatleastmitigatesomeofthedamageoftechnologybecauseneitheroneofusisreadytolikeleavetheinternetbehindandlikehavenotechnology.

Heather:Yeah,notsomuch.

Katie:Yeah.It’skindofimportanttoourdailylifeandIfeellikealotofpeoplewouldfeelthesameway,butyoudon’thavetogetthenegativeeffectsofit.So,mythoughtwaswearingorangesunglasseswithcertainfiltersonthemhelpblockthebluelightsothatatnightyou’renottellingyourbodyit’sthemiddleoftheafternoonanditimprovesyoursleep.AndIknowyouwearthemtoo.Weareallweirdtogetherbutlikewhat’sbeenyourexperiencewiththem?

Heather:Ihavetriedaftermysecondchild.Istartedtohitlikemajoradrenalissues.LikeIwasjust…Iwantedtobesupermom.Iwantedtodoitallbutthat’snotreallypossibleforanyone.AndIwasn’treallyhonoringwhatmybodywastellingme.IwastryingreallyhardtofitintowhatIthoughtIshoulddo.AndIgotmyselfintroubleandsohealingfromthatreallyrequiredthatIstartlisteningtomybodyagain.Buttheproblemwasthatmybodywasn’tevengettingtherightsignals.EverythingwasconfusedandsooneofthefirstthingsIhadtodowasrealignmybodyclockwithnaturewithoutmovingintoayard.Andso,IstartedusingtheblueglassesatnightandIstartedfeelingthesleepthatIwasgettingatnightwassomuchmorerestorativeandlikedeeper.AndthenIwasyouknow,butthethingwasformeatleastwhenIstartedwakingupintheday,ittookactuallytwopieces.LikeitwastwopartsofthesameholeandIendedupexposingmyselftobrightlightearlyinthemorningtooinordertogetthefulleffect.Becauseyou’reright,bluelightisreallygood.Inthemorning,itcanstimulatetheproductionofserotonin.Ithelpsyoufeelmorealertanditdoesallkindsofgoodthings.So,settingmybodyclockbyjustdayandnighthasdoneeverythingforme.Imean,it’slikeithelpsmefocusbetter.Itimprovesmymoodanddefinitelyithelpsmesleepbetter.

Katie:Yeah,forsure.Iwoulddefinitelysaythat.AndIknowwebothusesomekindoflikealighttherapylikeboxtypething.Youevenhaveglassesthatdo…likethere’ssomanydifferentwaysyoucanactuallyusetechnologyforthebettertoimproveitevenifyoudon’tlikeyousaidwhenIliveinayard.BecausetherewasacoolstudythatcameoutrecentlythatifyouwantAvixiouscircadianbiologyinoneweek,soifyouwannabio-hackit,goliveinatentwithnoartificiallightforsevendaysandyou’llbegood.Butforthoseofuswhohavelikeafamilywhowouldnotloveitifwelivedinatentforsevendays,therearewaysyoucanbuildthatintoyoureverydaylifeevenifyou’renotspendingtimeoutside.So,fromthebrightlightandthemorningsideit’s…Ifounditfascinatingtorealizethateventhecloudiestofdaysarestillsomuchbrightertoourcircadianbiologyinthemorningthanbeinginsideinartificiallightbecausethere’sallthesespectrumsoflightthatwe’rejustnotgetting.Buttherearewaystolikesupplementthatandtogetthebrightlight.Solikehowdoyougetthebrightlight?

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Heather:So,formykidsIactuallyhavelikealampthatwehaveonthekitchentable.So,theyhavebreakfastunderthelampwhichisreallygood.ButformyselfIfoundthatlikeIjustcouldn’t…Iwouldsitatthekitchentableandtrytosittherefor30minutesandplanmydaybutIcouldn’tthinkbecausetherewaslikelaundrystaringatmeorlike10,000thingsorlike…it’sjustlikeIwasalwaysfeelinganxiousbecausemyfirst…Iliketomovefirstthinginthemorning.So,IuseRe-Timerglasseswhicharekindofinterestingbecausetheyuseblue-greenlightinsteadofjustbluelight.Andtheyworkreally,reallywell.IrememberItextedmyhusbandlikewhenIstartedusingthem.Iwaslike,“Mybrainisalive.”Iwasn’treallypreparedforlikewhataprofoundimpactitwouldhaveonmebutithas.Theyaren’tforkidsthoughlikeupuntilIthinklike11or12-years-old.Kidshaveadifferent,likethewaytheireyeisformedlikethelensisn’tcrystallized.So,theRe-Timersareliketheyweredevelopedbyauniversityandthey’reamazing.They’reevenfeaturedbylikeCNN,Forbes,everybody.Butthey’reforadults.Theluxlightsthough,theonesthatputtableareoftenusedforkidsandlikeareconsideredtotallyfinebecausethespectrumisslightlydifferent.So,kindoflikethere’salotofdifferentapproachesthatworkjustbasedonwhetheryou’relikethekindofpersonthatlikestowakeupslowlyandwouldbefinewithsittinginthekitchentableorifyou’re…whatarewe?We’rethewarriorgenepeoplewhocan’tsitstillinthemorning…

Katie:….MAOAforthewin.Wehavetowakeupandgreetthedaybyattackingit.

Heather:That’sright.

KatieButyeah,Ilovethat.Likewehaveawakeuplighttoothat…likejusta10,000luxlightthatgoesinourkitchenforthekids.AndIgettotrytheRe-Timerswithyoutodaywhichwassuperfun.Likethey’reobviouslysuperattractiveandwhenwithyourhusband…

Heather:Yeah.They’reafashionstatement.

Katie:Iwouldnotwearthemonadate.They’re…

Heather:No.

Katie:They’reendearingintheirownwaythough…

Heather:Oh,mygosh.

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Katie:They’reprettyinteresting.Theylooklikeyou’reabouttotimetravel.LikemydaughteractuallybelievedmewhenIsaidthatIthinkbutthey’reawesome.IcantotallyseehowtheywouldhavethateffectandIthinkthepointtoallthistooisthatwereallyarejuststartingtounderstandkindoflikehowcircadianbiologyaffectsliterallyeveryaspectofyourlifefromyourbloodsugartoyourhormones,toyourgeneexpression.Likethisissomethingthatwedidn’thavetoworkat100yearsago,butnowwedo.Andso,sincewedolikeyoucanfindeasywaystointegrateitwithyourfamilythataren’tgonnastressyouout,butthatalsohelpyoukeepyourmentaledgeandyoursanitybecausethat’sthequestionIgetalot.It’slike,“Whatdoyoudoasamom?”Becauseyoucan’tsleepeighthourseverynight.Ifyouhaveababy,youcan’t.

Heather:No.

Katie:Andpeopleaskthat…andyouprobablygetthosequestionstoo.Andthat’slikethosearethethingsyoucando.Youcanwearorangeglassesafterdark.YoucantrytheseRe-Timerglassesinthemorning.Likethere’salotofstuffyoucandoevenifyou’renotabletosleepbecauseofthefamilyorbecauseofajoborbecauseofwhateverreason.

Heather:Yeah,andImeanifbudgetisanissueyoucanalsojustgooutsideandtakea30-minutewalkunlessit’slike…Well,actuallyifit’sreally,reallycoldyoucandoitinyourshortsanddotheWimHofmethodandbereallycoldandit’slikecryotherapy.TheotherthingIwasgonnasayisIthinkyou…ActuallyIknowyouhaveinterviewedtheauthorof“ThePowerofWhen”andhewroteabookthat’sallaboutcircadianrhythms.He’sasleepresearcher.What’shisname?Dr.Michael?

Katie:MichaelBreus.

Heather:MichaelBreus.Andyouknow,hehas…Idon’tknowifagreewithabsolutelyeverythingthatherecommends,butIthoughthemadesomereallyamazingobservationsthatbasicallylikeweallhavesomethingcalledbiotime.Andweoftenbeatourselvesupbecausewecan’tfitwithwhatwethinkistherightthingtodoattherighttimeofday.Butbiologicallytherearepartsofthedaywherewe’remorecapableofdoinganalyticaltypethingsandthenthere’sotherpartsofthedaywherebiologicallylikethehormonalflow,liketheebbandflowthroughoutthedayintheproductionofourneuro-transmitterswillmakeuslikemore…makeusbetteratdoinglikecreativeoranalyticalthings.Andit’snotthesame.So,Iactuallyusedhisbookaslikealooseguidelineforstructuringmyday.AndIfoundthatwhenIstoppedfightingwithmybiology,Istartedenjoyingmydayslikeawholelotmore.Andthatwasabreakthroughforme.Ididn’tevenrealizethatIwasfightingmybiologyuntilIreadthat.So,itwaskindofacoolandinterestingbook.

Katie:Yeah,Iagree.IlikedhisbookalotandIagreethatIdidn’tagreewitheverythinghesaid,butIthinkhemadesomegreatpoints.AndIfeellikethat’salso…becausemydoctor,Dr.Christiansenwouldagree.Like,youcandosomuchforyourbiotimeandyourchronobiologybyjustlikegoingoutsideinthemorningandgoingforawalk.Butevenifthat’snotpossiblelikeallthesethingswe’vetalkedaboutyoucandoinsideevenif

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you’restuckinsidealldayoryou’re…youcanworkthisintoyourdailylifeandthatcanhelpreallymakeadifferenceinyourbiologyovertimeandjusthelpyoutofindmorebalancethatway.

Heather:Yeah.Speakingofbiotime,Ithinkit’salmosttimeforourkidstoeatdinner.

Katie:Yup.Ithinkyou’reright.So,weshould…we’regonnaheadthatwayandgivethemdinner.Butlikeeverythingwe’velinkedto,we’llmakesureisintheshownotes.Andthere’ssomanyactuallymoreweirdthingsthatwetriedthatwehaven’tevenlinkedtolikecryotherapysleeping,likechillypadsandlikeallkindsofthingsyou’redoing.So,I’llincludelinksforsomeofthoseintheshownotesifanybodyisinterestedandtheycanlikegetsomeadvancednoticeofthese.Andalso,ifanybodywantstoguessthetwothingswe’renevergonnaadmittoinaudioyou’rewelcometoguessinthecommentsandwemighttellyouifyou’rerightornot.Butuntilnexttime,thankssomuchforlisteningandI’llseeyounexttimeontheHealthyMomsPodcast.

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