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Mr. Steven B. Krivit

New Energy Times

Dear Mr. Krivit:

This responds to your Freedom of Information Act request transferred to the MSFC from NASA

HQS on 11/13/2011. You requested slide presentations from the LENR Innovation Forum workshopthat took place at NASA Glenn Research Center on Sept. 22, 2011. The portion of your request forMichael Nelsons presentation was forwarded to MSFC for an initial determination. Mr. Nelsonspresentation is enclosed in its entirety.

A determination has been made that reproduction costs for this request were minimal. Accordingly,in keeping with NASAs policy to provide the widest practicable dissemination of information

concerning its activities, reproduction costs have been waived.

If you have any trouble with opening the file or have any questions concerning your request, please

reply to this email or phone me.

Cordially,Judi A. Hollingsworth

MSFC FOIA Public Liaison Officer


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Overview of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions(LENR) as Implemented by Andrea Rossi

and Francesca Piantelli

September 22, 2011

Michael A. Nelson

MSFC Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) SpaceA lications Lead ER22 NASA-MSFC

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Introduction and Background

Bachelors Degree in Industrial and Systems Engineering with

29 Years with NASA

19 years in ground and vehicle data systems

Space Shuttle Main Engine, Spacelab, Space Telescope, Chandra, Space

Station

Last 10 years in Propulsion

Cobra Rocket Engine, RS84, RS83, SSME, Space Shuttle Main Propulsion

Systems, Currently J2X

Co-Chair of JANNAF Panel on Rocket Engine Health Management

Space Shuttle Propulsion Systems Chief Engineers Board

Main Propulsion Systems Hazardous Gas Manager for Shuttle Launches

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SEARL, Papp Engine, Over unity electric motors, Rossi2


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Highlights of Recent History of LENR

w ith Andrea Rossi

January 14, 2011 - Andrea Rossi demonstrated a Nickel-Hydrogen

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with other University of Bologna professors. February 10-11, 2011 Rossi performs 18 hour test. Reported by

Mats Lewan on Fe 23r in Ny e ni : Co Fusion: 18-Hour Test

Excludes Combustion.

March 16 2011 - Stremmenos tells Ex ress that Defkalion Green

Green "is investing 200 million,"

June 14-15, 2011 Rossi performs a demonstration of a single E-

, . July 6, 2011 - Defkalion makes public offering of Rossi technology

at a price of 40.5 million per factory.

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Highlights of Recent History of LENR

w ith Andrea Rossi

July 14th, 2011 Rossi meets with NASA/MSFC to discuss space

a lications with his technolo and invite NASA to test it

August 1, 2011 - Deadline for first payment from first potentialcustomer (investor), Defkalion, to Rossi passes.

August 2-4, 2011 - Rossi meets with new potential investor in

Boston, MA

Au ust 7 2011 - Rossi issues ress release announcin

termination of business with Praxen/Defkalion

September 7, 2011 (4 pm) - Rossi device test for Lewan/Ny

e n September 8, 2011 - Rossi meeting with next potential customer

(investor)



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Technical Interchange Meeting w ithAndrea Rossi on July 14 th, 2011

Who was in attendance

MSFC Chief Engineers office and Chief Technologist

Propulsion Research Laboratory representatives

ER propulsion engineers and interested contractors

Representative from Glenn Research Center

Physicists from UAHa e y ce

Andrea Rossi came to MSFC with officials from Ampenergo, US Aerospace

Contractor, other interested parties

Andrea traveled at no expense to NASA

Ampenergo is a US based company that is in partnership with Andrea

Andrea and Ampenergo officials took a tour of MSFC prior to the meeting



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Andrea Rossi Existing LENR

Im lementation...

Uses Nickel powder ground to specific flake sizes to maximize

surface area of the Nickel without making flakes that are too small

A key difference with Piantelli work (not recommended by Piantelli) Nanosize too small, mm size too large, micron is just right

ow er s enr c e o ncrease - , - con en

Powder is contained in a small stainless steel chamber about the

size of a D cell flashlight battery

50 grams of Nickel powder required to charge a single cell (Just under

one mole of Nickel atoms)

Chamber is filled with 1 ram of H dro en as at a ressure of 24

atmospheres (approx. 350 psi)

Approximately 1 mole of hydrogen atoms is consumed per day


y rogen assume o go mono-a om c or reac on


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Im lementation...

A catalyst facilitates the reaction of the Hydrogen with the Nickel

Catalyst is consumed in about 6 months time

The reaction chamber is encapsulated in lead to contain the gamma

ra a on an conver n o erma energy

Gamma radiation in the 50 to 200 KeV energy band

A heatin element is used to initiate and stabilize the reaction

Heat output versus heat input required for reaction has been claimed

to be as much as over 400X.



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Im lementation...



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Andrea Rossi Existing LENR Small

ECAT Im lementat ion...



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Andrea Rossi Existing LENR Ottoman

Size ECAT Im lementation...



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Andrea Rossi Existing LENR 1 MW

Power P lant Im lementat ion...



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Is it Nuclear ?

Criteria for Nuclear Reaction

Rossi has avoided direct measurement for fear of revealing catalyst To date has only been observed by very few people

Self Sustained mode

Claims have been made that this is possible but has never been

Would need to run for 8 hours or more with a small ECAT and much longer

for an Ottoman

3 or more days for a small ECAT

2 or more weeks for an Ottoman ECAT


Several months for a 1 MW plant


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Conclusions

Difficult to rule Rossi out

completely dismiss Rossis work as a total sham

From all accounts he has sunk a personal fortune into this

He does allow potential investors to kick the tires a bit albeit strictly on

his terms thus far

Endorsed b Focardi and Guise i Levi

Stay tuned these next few months will be interesting



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Highlights of History of LENR w ith

Francesca Piantelli

August 16, 1989 Dr. Francesca Piantelli discovered anomalous

piece of Nickel metal February 1990 Dr. Piantelli saw the anomalous heat for the

secon time an was a e to prevent it rom amaging is

equipment

Januar 1992 Dr. Piantelli observes a increase in tem erature

and altered metal surface of a cylindrical Nickel sample after heavy

hydrogen loading but no gamma or neutron radiation

.temperature in an uncontrolled manner to a temperature in excess

of 1450 degrees C.



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Francesca Piantelli

October 1993 Dr. Piantelli along with Dr. R. Habel and Dr. S.

over 90 MJ with altered metal surface of a Nickel plated Nickelalloy cylinder with no gamma or neutron radiation

ep em er r. an e a ong w . ocar , . a an ,V. Montalbano, and S. Veronesi observe an increase in

temperature and excess energy of over 900 MJ with altered metal

neutron radiation.

November 1994 Dr. Piantelli along with S. Focardi, V. Gabbani,

. on a ano, an . erones o serve an ncrease ntemperature and excess energy of over 600 MJ of a Nickel plated

Nickel alloy cylinder with gamma but no neutron radiation.



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Francesca Piantelli

March 1996 Dr. Piantelli along with S. Focardi, V. Gabbani, V.

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and excess energy of over 38 MJ of a Nickel plane with gammaradiation but no neutron radiation after medium hydrogen loading.

Ju y 1996 Dr. Piante i a ong wit S. Focar i, V. Ga ani, V.

Montalbano, and S. Veronesi observe no increase in temperature

nor any excess energy of a Nickel plane with gamma radiation butno neutron radiation after very light hydrogen loading.

June 1996 Dr. Piantelli along with E. Campari, S. Focardi, V.Gabbani, V. Montalbano , S. Veronesi observe an altered surface of

a Nickel alloy cylinder with no gamma radiation or neutronradiation after high hydrogen loading.



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Francesca Piantelli

September 1997 Dr. Piantelli along with E. Campari, S. Focardi,

. , . , .

increase and 100 MJ of excess energy of a Nickel alloy cylinderwith no gamma radiation or neutron radiation after medium

.

November 1997 Dr. Piantelli along with S. Focardi, V. Gabbani,

V. Montalbano , S. Veronesi observe no temperature increase or

no neutron radiation after low hydrogen loading.

September 2001 Dr. Piantelli along with S. Focardi, L. Cattaneo. , . , . , . , .

observe no temperature increase or excess energy of a Nickelplated Nickel alloy cylinder with no gamma radiation and no


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Francesca Piantelli

December 2004 Dr. Piantelli as a result of a collaboration

Brescia), moves into a new laboratory located at Colle Val dElsanear Siena Italy with 400 square meters of space. The labfeatures a facility for producing Ni samples for testing.



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Francesca Piantel li LENR

Ex erimental Results



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Hydrogen loading increasedwhen temperature was below

200 degrees C



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Pressure drop of hydrogen during a fast loading run



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Counterintuitive relationship of pressuretemperature once the sample becomesexcited.



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Higher temperature output after

calibration of the heating element

within the test has been completed



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Secondary gamma radiation detected

rom neutron om ar ment o a t n

sheet of gold confirms neutron radiation



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Radiation above background measured



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been observed using a

cloud chamber for daysafter a test sample hasbeen removed from thees c am er



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Products indicating both fusion and fission



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ose up v ew o a s e on esurface of a Nickel test sample

that indicates transmutation ofNi into other elements



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Francesca Piantel li LENREx erimental Results

New test laboratory with

of work space opened in

2004 near Siena



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Francesca Piantel li LENRIs it Nuclear ?

Emission of Gamma Radiation has been indicated

m ss on o eu ron a a on as een e ec e

Emission of charged particles

Excess heat exceeding known Hydrogen-Nickel chemical reactions



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Francesca Piantelli/ Andrea RossiLENR Com arison

Rossi does not speak of a requirement for loading Hydrogen into

Rossi operates at a sweet spot of 24 atmospheres or ~350 psiwhere Piantelli operates at less than an atmosphere

Rossi indicates that hydrogen is consumed to keep the reaction

going and Piantelli does not

repeatable and highly efficient (Piantelli also has a secret)

Rossi utilizes a signal generator not indicated in Piantellis reports

Both indicate they have seen gamma and neutron radiation

Both indicate the transmutation of Nickel into other elements


Both indicate excess heat exceeding known Hydrogen-Nickel

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Importance of this Technology toNASA

Why is this so important?

is potentially a game changer for space propulsion and vehicleenergy needs

Lower propellant mass to transport into space

Reduces transit times on manned mission to MARS

nergy er ve rom non-ra oac ve componen s

Environmentally friendly

Safe to handle in ground processing

Radiation easily contained for crew safety

Nickel and Hydrogen abundantly available (lower cost)

Can be en ineered for both s ace craft ro ulsion and vehicle


power needs


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The Immediate Future

The first step is to complete basic testing of this technology to

determine among many test objectives that it is indeed a nuclear

reaction and begin to determine the energy multiplier of energy

required to initiate the reaction and energy produced by the reaction.

his testin should confirm amma and or neutron radiation b re eatable

observations

This testing should demonstrate that energy produced exceed levels of any

known chemical reaction of an e uivalent test article mass

Successful results will lead to further investment into and development of

the technology

the near future

This effort will be a collaborative effort between Glenn Research Center,


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The Future starting latter half ofNext Year

Second step will be to begin to expand on the science behind the

technology with tests designed to explore perturbations of control

variables that have yet to be examined

Continue work independently and in parallel in multiple locations

Is there a better process for repeating results?

Can it be scaled up?

a are e opera ng swee spo s o e ec no ogy

Included industry consortia into collaborative effort between Glenn

Research Center, Langley Research Center, and industry consortia



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The Future in the Years Ahead

Third step will be to begin building prototype applications and

testing them based on a thorough knowledge of the technology

Propulsion systems for deep space

Propulsion applications in LEO (eg. Space Station Boost)

ower sys ems or ve c e n g opera ons

Power systems for deep space and planetary probes

Power systems for human life support systems in flight Power systems for human life support and operations on the Moon or

Mars

Ultimatel one or more NASA ro rams would be set u to im lement

this technology into a variety of space applications



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Follow Up

There are currently numerous resources on the Internet

Youtube will bring up many videos about him and thistechnology. Here are a few links to get your started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRry6a3U0Cw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwSFu1Pz0g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDv6phew-ck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzL3RIlcwbY http://www.newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/37/NET3


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Follow Up (contd)

Also, these bullets link to a 60 Minutes story by Scott

with cold fusion since Pons and Fleishman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb-9keOk-

CQ&playnext=1&list=PLF55D9121F1815C24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f18W2SejEM&playne

x = s =

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgRiTphJRkg

htt : www. outube.com watch?v=rLh YF rtW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBVcA6G35QY



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Highlights of Recent History of LENRw ith Andrea Rossi Prior to 2011

April 9, 2008 Rossi filed Italian Patent Application

-, .

November 19, 2009 Rossi demod in Bedford, New HampshireUSA to current or former affiliates of the Department of Energy

Nov. 20, 2009 Rossi demod in Bedford, New Hampshire USA to

current or former affiliates of the Department of Defense

Hampshire and see demonstration. (Source: Navy researcher)

Feb. 26, 2010 - Rossi's "Journal of Nuclear Physics" domain

name registered.



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Brief synopsis of LENR History

Cold Fusion phrase coined in 1989 with the announcement of

excess heat in ex eriments involvin Deuterium and Paladium

conducted by Pons and Fleishman

Results were not easy to replicate and evidence for Fusion was

. .

Later in 1989, an Italian scientists named Dr. Francesca Piantelli

observed anomalous energy emerging from a Nickel sample in ay rogen env ronmen an egan s u y ng - ow energy

nuclear reactions.

In spite of the difficulties of replicating results, work continued

under the new name of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR).Experiments were conducted in the US (funded by the US Navy)

and abroad over the ast 20 ears.


Development led by Italy, Japan, France, India, US (very low level)

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