Southeastern GTO Association

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March 2016

Volume 30, Issue 3

Celebrating

our 30th

Year!

Inside this issue:

Next Event 1

President’s Message

Officers & Board 2

Georgia Racing Hall of Fame Recap

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Lake Oconee

Big Event Car Show 4

SEGTOA Save the Date

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Summit/Atlanta Motorama

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35th Annual Peach Blossom BOPC Show

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Tech Tips 12

Club Gear 14

SEGTOA Classifieds 15

Resources 16

Tiger Tales

Next Event:

Georgia Classic Cruisers

6th Annual

Big Event Car Show

And Memory Lane Museum Tour

Saturday March 19, 2016

11:00AM - 5:00 PM

Lake Oconee Village, Georgia

Details Inside

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2015

Officers &

Board Members

President

John Link

linkltrs@bellsouth.net

Treasurer

Ed Downing

edwarddowning@bellsouth.

net

Membership

Kim Fowler

Kfowler@segtoa.org

Newsletter

Jim Andrews

jb6733andrews@etcmail

.com

Meetings

Mike Walling

mwalling@leitransportation

.com

Webmaster

David Trees

dlt1@cdc.gov

Board Members

Bob Immekus

brimmekus@gmail.com

Ed Bellair

ebellair@segtoa.org

President’s Message

Hope you are all getting your cars ready for Spring and the BOPC. BOPC Registration is open, so print an application

and send your check in!! We’ll have FUN !!

The Feb Meeting/Outing at the Georgia Racing Museum

was great FUN. Dawsonville was a fun ride up 575 and

across the Hills. I burned out an exhaust manifold gasket

on the way back and had a coolant leak but “It’s a Hobby”.

The SEGTOA Board has agreed to send a total of $1000.00

to 4 Charities recommended by Club Members. We are

able to make our Charitable Donations each year because

we had a successful BOPC in 2012 (our only fund raising

project, once every 4 years). So by registering for the

BOPC, you are supporting SEGTOA and assisting our

Charitable giving.

SEGTOA is also offering a FREE BOPC registration to any

member that obtains a Sponsor who donates $250.00 to

the BOPC. Do you know a Business willing to be a BOPC

Sponsor?? Just send your registration and the Sponsor’s

check!! We’ll recognize the Sponsor during the BOPC and

send a Thank You letter.

The next BOPC Meeting will be Sat Mar. 5th at the

Piedmont Church Cruise-in (9:30). All club members are

welcome and encouraged to attend.

Look forward to seeing lots of you at our March Meeting/

Car Show.

John Link

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February Event:

Georgia Racing Hall of Fame Museum Dawsonville

Saturday February 13, 2016

We had a huge group brave the frigid weather and make the trip to the Georgia Racing Hall of Fame Museum in Dawsonville. We didn’t see “Awesome Bill,” but oh well. The museum is home to some pretty cool NASCAR race cars of all makes and models, even a Pontiac. Who knew that there have been 27 Daytona 500 winners and 3 NASCAR champions from the city of Dawsonville? We finished off the tour with a very, shall we say, relaxed lunch, and spent some time admiring new member Steve

Mondibrown’s 1956 Star Chief. A great time was had by all. In attendance were Chris and Peggy McPherson, Ed Bellair, John Link, Jim Andrews, Mike Walling, Steve Hart, Kenny and Tricia Simpson, Craig Dean, Steve Mondibrown, Chad Wade, Jim Paumen, Doug Askew, Chuck Giraud, Ed Downing, Bob Immekus, and Jerry Hamilton.

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March Event: Georgia Classis Cruisers

6th Annual Big Event Car Show

Saturday, March 19, 2016, 11AM—5 PM

Mark your calendars, wash and wax your classic, and hit the road to Lake Oconee. Note that this is a change from the event announced last month. The 6th

Annual Big Event Car Show is a great event, put on by SEGTOA member Doug Askew

and his son Tim. The Big Event features more than 100 vendor booths, live local

entertainment, the car show, and a boat show. The event typically averages 2500-

3000 attendees, so come out and support a club member and do the ‘car show thing’

with fellow SEGTOA members. Again, as one of our members and his son is hosting the car show, let’s show up in force with our Pontiacs, and if you can’t bring a Pontiac,

bring another car – it’s a car show! Let Mike Walling know soon that you’re coming,

and they’ll reserve enough spots (770-939-0624, mwalling@leitransportation.com).

Registration: $10 @ 10:15; Awards: 4PM

An added attraction for SEGTOA attendees this year is a free bus ride to and

from the Memory Lane Car Museum, where you can see 150 classic cars on display.

See page 5. Here’s the plan to caravan to the show:

Our meeting place to convoy east will be at:

BP Gas Station

2944 Panola Road

Lithonia, GA 30038

It is located on I-20 east of I-285 at exit #71.

Get off at the exit and turn right going south

Look to your left ½ block down. Restrooms and gas. Then we have another 67 miles to go for the show.

Meeting time here is 9:15 AM.

For those making the trip solo, you can plug this address into your GPS/NAV system:

Parkside Main 8 Theaters 1050 Parkside Main

Greensboro, GA 30642

Directions: I-20 East to Exit 130. Right onto Lake Oconee Parkway. In 5.25 miles you

will come to a stop light at Linger Longer Road. Go straight through the light. You will

see signs directing you to park on the left just past Publix.

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As we did last year, we’ll meet up Saturday morning in the Atlanta area and caravan out to Lake Oconee. This was a really good show last year,

and this year promises to be even better. So dust off your classic, gas it up, and make plans to join us.

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SEGTOA—Save The Dates!

Saturday March 19 - Big Event Car Show - Lake Oconee

Saturday-Sunday April 16-17, Summit/Atlanta Motorama - Atlanta Motor

Speedway, Hampton

Saturday April 30 - BOPC Show - Piedmont Church, Marietta

June 3-5 - Pontiacs in Pigeon Forge

October - Tail of the Dragon overnight trip

Make plans to attend as many of our 2016 events as possible! Some are

“official,” some are tentative.

SEGTOA member Doug Askew and his son Tim are putting on the Big Event Car Show in

Lake Oconee on Sarturday March 19. This was a well-attended show by SEGTOA

members last year. All SEGTOA members in attendance will receive free

transportation to and from the Memory Lane Car Museum.

The Atlanta Motorama sponsored by Summit Racing is an incredible two-day meet at

AMS in Hampton. Even though it rained last year, attendance was good. There’s a huge

vendor tent, all sorts of outdoor displays and many car clubs participate. There are lots

of activities for everyone, including the kids. This show gets bigger every year.

Of course, we’ll need you to participate in the BOPC show on Saturday, April 30.

Whether you bring your car(s) or not, we will need a lot of help to make this a successful

event. This is our only fund-raiser, and we only host it once every four years. Please

help us out with this one!

Pontiacs in Pigeon Forge is another great one. We had 11 people in 7 cars last year. Let’s

see if we can beat that number. This is a Pontiacs Only show, and there will be more

than 200 of them at the show. Saturday evening there’s a cruise up to Newfound Gap

near Gatlinburg. There’s a free dinner Friday night for all registrants. There will be

additional paved parking this year. This is one of those shows that just gets better every

year. You can trailer your car or drive it up, and if you drive you won’t have to go it

alone. There should be several of us making the trip on Friday this year, taking a route

with spectacular scenery.

The Tail of the Dragon overnight trip is a popular one that’s becoming a regular event.

Ask anyone who went last year and they’ll tell you what a great tome they had!

These are your club events! Help us make all of them a success!

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Tech Tips: Zinc Additive in Flat Tappet Motors

The Continuing Fight Over ZDP in Modern Engine Oil by Steve Schaeffer

(Reprinted from the March 2016 Paw Prints)

The February 2016 issue of “Journey With Olds” magazine has an article submitted by Jerry Garfield

and written by Bob Oiree, GM Powertrain Fuels and Lubricants Group. Their test results are based on

two tests performed in SAE document # 2004-01-2986 titled “how Much ZDP is Enough?”

Zinc dithiophosphate, ZDD, is an anti-wear additive in motor oil that has been in use since the 1950’s to

prevent scuffing and wear in engines with flat tappet camshafts. Hydraulic lifter flat tappet camshafts

were factory installed in all of our classic muscle car engines. Around 2005 they found that the ZDP in

motor oil was poisoning the exhaust catalysts in new cars. Since all the new cars by then were using

roller tappet camshafts, which don’t have the wear problems that flat tappet camshafts had, the oil

manufactures reduced the amount of ZDP in their products without any notification to the public.

Two valve-train wear tests were performed. Sequence IVA tests for camshaft scuffing and wear using a

single overhead camshaft 2.4 liter Nissan engine

with slider cam followers. Sequence IIIG test was

done to evaluate wear using a 3.8 GM V-6 engine

with a flat tappet camshaft. Their conclusion was

that modern oil is safe to use in older car engines.

This turned out to be flawed testing. A muscle car

engine running a high performance after-market flat

tappet camshaft uses considerably more valve

spring pressure than a stock Buick V-6 or a SOHC

Nissan 4 cylinder. Without the former high levels of

ZDP the camshaft manufactures had a high level of

failures until they figured out what was causing the

problem.

Naturally I found out about this the hard way. I have

been building engines since the early 1960’s.

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Until they reduced the amount of ZDP in motor oil I only had one camshaft failure. That was in an early

Olds Rocket V-8 running an early Isky RR2 roller camshaft. The roller tappets were not locked together

with a solid link bar like they are now. We bent a push rod allowing the lifter to run sideways on the

camshaft with tragic results.

Several years ago I built a 434 cubic inch Pontiac street strip engine. I was using a high performance

hydraulic lifter flat tap-pet camshaft with performance upgraded valve springs. I had 125 pounds of seat

pressure and 325 pounds over the nose. The engine was assembled with the proper moly lube on the

camshaft lobes and the bottoms of the lifters. It was properly pre lubed before firing. The new cam was

properly broken in for ½ hour running it between 2,000 to 2,500 rpm without letting it idle. I then

changed the oil and filter. In less than 100 miles the camshaft wiped out several lobes. There was

enough metal in the oil to require a complete tear down. I had to have the block hot tanked all over

again and do a complete rebuild.

The camshaft manufacturer and the machine shop both attributed the failure to the lack of ZDP in the

oil. After I rebuilt the engine I used Brad Penn break in oil which has a high level of ZDP. I now use

Brad Penn Grade 1 SAE 10W-40 in all my muscle

car engines. It is a partial synthetic high

performance motor oil that contains high levels of

zinc/phosphorous, ZDP.

During that same time period I also disassembled

another Pontiac 428 engine to repair a noise that

turned out to be a bad wrist pin and connecting rod.

That engine had an aftermarket Ram-Air IV

camshaft in it. When I inspected the camshaft it too

had a lobe going flat on it. We re-placed the

camshaft and lifters and cleaned and checked

everything else.

At the Performance Racing Trade Show in

Indianapolis I picked up a new Crane Cams

Catalog and a new Comp Cams Catalog. The new

Crane Cams master catalog on page 285 has a full

page of information and products for engine

assembly, break in, and running. Quote,” Once

your flat faced camshaft is properly broken in, you

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Club Gear

Since we are not in the retail business, we will not be obtaining

and selling hats, shirts, and other club gear any longer. But you can

now get many items with the SEGTOA logo on them by contacting:

Pirate Printing

770-445-6399

Hiram, GA

wayne@pirateprinting.net

Wayne Clark is our contact,

and he is anxiously awaiting your

order!

should continue to use a performance type ZDP content oil for the remainder of the engine’s life, to

ensure longevity.”

The Comp Cams master reference guide has 2 pages of lubricants. See page 234 and 235. The

Comp Cams cata-log says, “Due to government regulations, in recent years oil manufacturers have

removed zinc and many oth-er additives from their motor oils. Using one of these “off-the-shelf

brands of oil during the critical break-in process can lead to failure.” I could have saved a lot of

money if I had known about this several years ago.

Both Jeg’s and Summit Racing have many brands of motor oil for high-performance, highly

stressed, street and racing engines. All of these oils contain a high concentra-tion of ZDP to provide

outstanding anti-wear/anti-scuffing protection. Modern motor oils for everyday cars do not have

enough ZDP in them to protect a high performance engine with high

valve spring pressure. It is not a myth that new oils will not work in a

high performance older engine unless they are

running a roller camshaft. They do seem to

work fine in a stock well broken in older V-8

engine though.

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SEGTOA CLASSIFIEDS

For Sale-NOS

Heater Cores for:

’65-’66 Full Size Pontiac ( B-body) with A/C-- p/n 3004820

’61-’62 Full Size Pontiac (B-body) no A/C-----p/n 3003143

‘64 Chevrolet truck ---p/n 314850

Water Pump

’68-’69 Oldsmobile F-85 –no A/C---p/n 230899

’69 Firebird 8 cyl.—p/n 9797581

Cost—Donation to SEGTOA

Contact-John Link 404-578-8973

Miscellaneous used parts from 1965 Pontiac GTO for sale

Qty Description

1 OE Tripower Intake Manifold

1 Power Brake Booster

1 Custom Auto Sound Model SST Hidden AM/FM Radio

1 Drive Shaft

1 OE Heater Box

1 OE Bell Housing

1 OE 4-Sp Tunnel Hump (to be used for Auto to Manual

Conversion)

All of the above are in good working order

Ben Hatfield

(251) 605-8111

behatfield3@gmail.com

‘67 GTO Parts for Sale

Gas tank

4 - G70-14 Wide Oval Red Line tires, bias-ply, off rims

Larry Greer

GreerLawrence245@gmail.com

For Sale:

Ring & Pinion 3.08 from '74 SD

455 T/A - $50

Rotating engine stand—$30

Paul Sorrells (404) 702-3398

p.sorrells@comcast.net

For Sale:

1968 Georgia License Plate

$25 for SEGTOA members

$50 for non-members

Ed Bellair

770-826-2534 ejb@mindspring.com

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GTO Parts & Services Sources Thank You to Jeremiah Riggio, Bob Mohalley, and Jim Racela for tracking down some useful on-line sources for GTO parts and services. Hopefully these will prove useful to you in keeping your GTO looking like a proper time machine!

General Info http://www.oldride.com/library/pontiac_gto.html http://ultimategto.com/cgi-bin/statsexplorer.cgi?year=1968&f1=vinmatrix Carbs http://www.scgg.com/carbs.html http://www.carburetion.com/quadnumber.htm Engines & Heads http://www.spottsperformance.com/engineid.htm Radios http://www.wonderbarman.com/codes.html Wheels http://www.pontiacserver.com/wheels.html#rally2 Pontiac Tripower http://www.pontiactripower.com/catalog/1965-tripower Pontiac Literature

http://www.gt-37.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=191

From member Jim Racela:

The first link is a listing of copies of original brochures for classic cars. The 2nd is a link to an

example, in this case a PDF file of the available accessories and prices for 1966 Pontiac full car line. (Aside to John Link: Sorry buddy, but there isn't anything listed under the 1969 Buick category!

Darn!)

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/cgi-bin/pub9990289237970.cgi?categoryid=9990289238012

http://wildaboutcarsonline.com/members/

AardvarkPublisherAttachments/9990414098658/1966_Mini_Accessorizer_Catalog.pdf

Resources

From club member Ernie Stephens:

SEGTOA members have the opportunity to join the North Georgia Car Club ngautoclub.com. The

club was formerly known as the Lockheed Martin Auto Club. Lockheed Martin is no longer affiliated

with the club and it now operates as a Limited Liability Corporation (LLC). North Georgia Auto Club is

located on Atlanta Road, Marietta Georgia and it features three (3) work bays, an extensive tool

collection, tire changer, tool check out opportunity, 3 phase air compressor, brake change

rack, and oil change rack. New membership dues are only $75.00 annually!

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Tiger Tales is published monthly by the Southeastern GTO Association.

SEGTOA is a chapter of the GTO Association of America (www.gtoaa.org), the premier organization for GTO enthusiasts. Each month GTOAA members receive The Legend magazine, a Golden Quill Award Winning publication. SEGTOA is also associated with Pontiac Oakland Club International (www.poci.org). POCI members receive their monthly magazine Smoke Signals.

SEGTOA is an organization dedicated to the survival of the Pontiac GTO, LeMans, and other classic Pontiacs. SEGTOA is open to anyone who shares our common interest in GTOs and other Pontiacs. We enjoy monthly Chapter meetings, including cruises, car shows, picnics, technical sessions and other fun activities. Our members hail from four different states! Members and their spouses, significant others and children are invited and encouraged to attend each monthly club function.

Club Membership Dues Dues are $20 per year, payable January 1st each year. New members receive a $10 discount on membership their first year. SEGTOA dues requirements are waived for all active military. Membership in GTOAA and/or POCI is required for all members joining after 2007. Members must be in good standing to attend meetings, with the option to bring their membership up to date at any scheduled meeting.

Membership application is available on the SEGTOA website.

Checks should be made payable to Southeastern GTO Association and mailed to Ed Downing, Club Treasurer, 381 St. Marys Lane, Marietta, GA 30064.

SEGTOA Technical Advisory Panel

The members listed below have volunteered to share their special knowledge with other

members. Please feel free to contact these involved members.

1964 Doug Askew t-daskew@segtoa.org 706-453-2234

1965 Jerry Hamilton jhamilton@segtoa.org 706-754-3194 (home)

1966 Bob Immekus brimmekus@gmail.com 770-686-4592 (cell)

1967 Steve Pullen s_pullen@bellsouth.net 404-402-4917 (cell)

1968 Denny Sanford dsanford@segtoa.org 770-365-3916 (cell)

1969 Russ DeLamater russdelam@aol.com 770-316-2185 (cell)

1970 Kenny Simpson dksimpson54@gmail.com 770-277-1626 (home)

1971-1974 BJ Benton bjbenton@unitedpump.com 678-414-7135 (cell)

2004-2006 Paul McGinnett pontiacbubba@aol.com 770-653-0365 (home)