Ukedchat Archive 15 Dec 2011

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SirBlimelyWindy 19:59

Welcome everyone... #ukedchat I suppose the first question we

need to answer is 'what is learning?'

ukedchat 19:59

Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with @SirBlimelyWindy

Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you go...

schoolsict 20:00Do you really teach learning or is it more facilitating learning?#ukedchat


I am on twitterfall and it is a little slow it seems - i will try and keep

up #ukedchat

dughall 20:00 #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than taught.

simfin 20:00

RT @ukedchat: Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with

@SirBlimelyWindy Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you

go...

Biolady99 20:00 enthusiastic interactivity with a focal contextual element #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:01@SirBlimelyWindy switch to tweetchat...use the tool speciallydesigned for twitterchats! #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:01

I think learning is individual to each person #ukedchat and comes

with different experiences.

misshbond 20:01

RT @ukedchat: Ok, folks. It's 8pm. Enjoy #ukedchat tonight with

@SirBlimelyWindy Topic = "How do you teach learning?" Off you

go...

mattpearson 20:01

Coupling 'learning and teaching' together in a phrase is easy.

Showing how they are linked in reality is lot more difficult...

#ukedchat

gregtheseal 20:01 #ukedchat doing something new and getting better at something


RT @dughall: #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than

taught.

Andy__Stokes 20:01

Do we need to in the current education system, or do we need to

teach how to remember info #ukedchat

dmchugh675 20:01 #ukedchat learning is making connections.

gormatt 20:02

@ukedchat @SirBlimelyWindy Learning is personal meaning

making. Means individuals have to construct the meaning for

themselves. Active.

cherrylkd 20:02

@dughall #ukedchat do you mean 'hands on' (not literally)peer to

peer?


RT @schoolsict: Do you really teach learning or is it more facilitating

learning? #ukedchat < well, there has to be some instruction

bucharesttutor 20:02

Good Evening all in today's #ukedchat for me learning the three Rs

would be a good start for teaching the students

stuart_g_brown 20:03

#ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the best conditions for each

pupil to discover how they learn in their own way

SirBlimelyWindy 20:03 RT @dan_bowen: Learning..is a process not an action #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:03@bucharesttutor Is there a difference between teaching & learningthough? #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:03 Learning..is a process not an action #ukedchat


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@mattpearson lol I was thinking more about Reading, Writing and

Rote #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:04

#ukedchat so to teach learning you have to model and help them

through the process and the more involved they are the deeper the

learning

TeachToAll 20:04

RT @stuart_g_brown: #ukedchat don't 'teach' learning, create the

best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in theirown way

davidhunter 20:04

#ukedchat if you're teaching people to leweb presumably you need

to remove the instruction slowly

JoPearce 20:04 #ukedchat "How do you teach learning?" - Celebrate mistakes

ukedchat 20:04 @gormatt Please use #ukedchat instead of @ukedchat Thank you

schoolsict 20:04

@SirBlimelyWindy Is setting the boundaries really teaching? At

University level the main skill taught is how to research. #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:04

#ukedchat There are aspects of learning of learning such as

resilience, reciprocity etc that can be broken down into skills etc to

be taught

mattpearson 20:04

@bucharesttutor resilience, resourcefulness, relationships?? (after

Guy Claxton) #ukedchat

gregtheseal 20:05

@stuart_g_brown #ukedchat why not teach learning. Isn't teaching

'showing' ideas?


RT @dan_bowen: #ukedchat so to teach learning you have to

model and help them through the process and the more involved

they are the deeper the learning

JOHNSAYERS 20:05

Learning involves virtual permanent understanding of something

not just a short term gain which is progressive development cycle

#ukedchat

jayneokell 20:05

@dan_bowen #ukedchat I agree! We need to remember that it is

continuous. It never stops so what we need to think about is

progress.

Andy__Stokes 20:05

@KempsterD, Agreed without the relationship no learning can

occur #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:05

RT @mattpearson: Coupling 'learning and teaching' together in a

phrase is easy. Showing how they are linked in reality is lot more

difficult... #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:05 @dan_bowen ...and that process needs to be learned. #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:05

learning is a liminal process (Dylan Wiliam), meaning a change in

psychological states which is hard to define #ukedchat


RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat There are aspects of learning of

learning such as resilience, reciprocity etc that can be broken down

into skills etc to be taught

jayneokell 20:06@bucharesttutor @mattpearson #ukedchat Rote? It might belearning but it's not understanding which is what we want really!


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@ICTwitz teaching means rubbing the concepts ingrained in the

mind while learning is a continuous process #ukedchat


@TeachToAll #ukedchat Scaffolding is the key to supporting

students of all abilities - remove sections for the more able

KempsterD 20:06#ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be taught.Learning is a process but requires action

schoolsict 20:06

@SirBlimelyWindy Research skills allows students answer any

question put to them, even if its not there chosen area of

knowledge #ukedchat

schoolsict 20:06

@SirBlimelyWindy Research skills allows students answer any

question put to them, even if its not there chosen area of

knowledge #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:06

@bucharesttutor the traditional 3rd R is arithmetic (thus subtly

undoing the first two in a performative paradox) #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:06




KiDu89 20:07

Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction of experience

that considers social, psychological and developmental factors

#ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:07

@jayneokell we might want it, but the system doesn't require it!

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:07

So I could refer to something one day and then again in a week a

month a year and the understanding is solid glued/stuck learning

#ukedchat

aangeli 20:07




davidhunter 20:07

@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into resilience say it can be

taught. Learning is a process but requires action that's interesting


@mattpearson well anyways that's a good start for me anyway

#ukedchat

Biolady99 20:07

RT @JOHNSAYERS: Learning involves virtual permanent

understanding of something not just a short term gain which isprogressive development cycle #ukedchat

davidhunter 20:08

#ukedchat if you're teaching people to learn presumably you need

to remove the instruction slowly

ePaceonline 20:08

#ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their learning, learn to learn,

teach how we learn and play to strengths.

Biolady99 20:08

RT @KiDu89: Learning must be seen as a continual reconstruction

of experience that considers social, psychological and

developmental factors #ukedchat



of experience that considers social, psychological anddevelopmental factors #ukedchat


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dan_bowen 20:08

RT @GiftedPhoenix: OFQUAL's detailed Qand A on the implications

of yesterday's changes to GCSE marking and modularity -

http://t.co/iBAFDnWs #ukedchat

MsELH 20:08

#ukedchat My year 8 blog! http://t.co/LwqDusUg Please leave a

comment, it'll make their Christmas. Maybe.

dan_bowen 20:08


of experience that considers social, psychological anddevelopmental factors #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:08 @davidhunter and whose action us or the pupil?#ukedchat

TeachToAll 20:08

provide opportunities for chld to learn how to learn; equip them

with skills to become independent confident life-long learners

#ukedchat


RT @davidhunter: "@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into

resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires

action" that's interesting


@jayneokell @mattpearson call me old school but I like to stick to

the basics #ukedchat

jayneokell 20:09

@Andy__Stokes #ukedchat And I guess on a large scale (GCSE

assessment?) it's hard to separate out the two.

cherrylkd 20:09

@Andy__Stokes @jayneokell #ukedchat there must be

understanding to move on to next topic especially in maths &

science


#ukedchat just had a comment from a non teaching friend of mine -

does the instant availability of google stop learning per se?

KempsterD 20:09

#ukedchat there are many models of learning but knowledge

transfer is 1 of the weakest. I really thrive on doing things and

making mistakes

ePaceonline 20:09


best conditions for each pupil to discover how they learn in their

own way

apuustin 20:09

You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to teach things in

small scale ? #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:09

RT @davidhunter: "@KempsterD: #ukedchat Recent insights into

resilience say it can be taught. Learning is a process but requires

action" that's interesting

ICTwitz 20:10Am I missing a point within #ukedchat tonight. Children are naturallearners, from birth. Does the school system drain this away?

KempsterD 20:10


of experience that considers social, psychological and

developmental factors #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:10

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Place pupils at the centre of their

learning, learn to learn, teach how we learn and play to strengths.

TeachToAll 20:10



aangeli 20:10

not really able to #ukedchat tonight...tinternet is a bit wobbly. Will

dip in when I can


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dan_bowen 20:10

RT @mattpearson: @bucharesttutor the traditional 3rd R is

arithmetic (thus subtly undoing the first two in a performative

paradox) #ukedchat


I believe that we can continuously learn and teach them as we long

to learn and so it's a circle of sorts #ukedchat

TeachToAll 20:10

@SirBlimelyWindy i agree its a great way to move ALL children on in

their learning no matter of ability! #ukedchat




Andy__Stokes 20:10

@KiDu89 agreed but i don't see any of that in our current process

of assessment unfortunately!#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:10

Learning needs to be unlocked to be chalked off so spoken, written,

demonstrated to prove it to self and others #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:11

If Michael Gove and Nick Gibb had the technology to shut this chat

down, I pretty much think they would. Learning= facts (4 them)#ukedchat

CarrotyCarrots 20:11

RT @dughall: #ukedchat Learning is far better modelled than

taught.

Stephen_Logan 20:11

Can you teach learning? Is it not about inspiring, nurturing and

encouraging students to learn for themselves. #lifelonglearning

#ukedchat

jayneokell 20:11

@apuustin #ukedchat Kagan's cooperative structures is good for

this. I love working with mixed ability groups.

aktoman 20:11



own way

cherrylkd 20:11

@bucharesttutor @jayneokell @mattpearson #ukedchat me too.

Without basics there can be no further learning modelled or

otherwise

AntHeald 20:11

Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop learning: need

to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the info #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:11

RT @cherrylkd: @Andy__Stokes @jayneokell #ukedchat there must

be understanding to move on to next topic especially in maths &

science


Learning also needs to be proactive as in keeping them challengedwith questions all the time so they remain focused always

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:12

Teaching children to learn is about as necessary as teaching them to

breathe.Like all generic skills, it's an excuse to dumb down

#ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:12

Now going to put the kids to bed (half an hour late...I will never

learn) #ukedchat learning is for wimps. Lol

ePaceonline 20:12

#ukedchat We know lot about WHAT pupils know not about HOW

they learn, fundamental to look at cognitive functioning and brain

efficiency


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heartofsol 20:12

RT @apuustin You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to

teach things in small scale #ukedchat YES! Should be a part of all

lessons

jayneokell 20:12

@cherrylkd @andy__stokes #ukedchat Taught in Spain earlier this

year on #PGCE placement. Kids lean processes in maths for say

long...

DrSpenny 20:12

Gove and Gibb-you are giving the chuckle bros a run for theirmoney! You make me laugh! #ukedchat get up earlier you could do

more damage!

davidexeter 20:12

#ukedchat Innovation unit has some ideas... Worth a read.

http://t.co/bmaChoTw

dan_bowen 20:12

..lots of ways to learn..on own, peers, groups, practice ..oh and the

occasional adult telling you what to do..but that's boring. #ukedchat

TeachToAll 20:13

@mattpearson i completely agree. I always feel so disheartened

reading their views on ed!! #ukedchat

jayneokell 20:13

@cherrylkd @andy__stokes #ukedchat ...division, but with no

understanding of basic place value. The answers end up the same.

CarrotyCarrots 20:13 @CatherineLeP No string group = #ukedchat!

mberry 20:13

Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knowing how to learn: it's what

they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:14

#ukedchat Teaching learning requires the 'teachee' to understand

those key aspects and skills you want them to develop and

enhance.

JOHNSAYERS 20:14

Learning best surfaced from formative assessment, presentation,

solo tax is proving a clear method to unlock WHOLE class learning

#ukedchat

mberry 20:14

RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are

natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this

away?


RT @mberry: Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knowing how to

learn: it's what they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:14

#ukedchat Every pupil processes information in different ways, 30

pupils all learning same material in many different ways.teachitso 20:14 #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next day.


You can't tell children what you want them to learn, they need to

tell you #ukedchat


@ePaceonline yes that's another nice way, show them the new

stuff and maybe compare how they evolved in the years that came

by #ukedchat

apuustin 20:14

RT @jayneokell: @apuustin #ukedchat Kagan's cooperative

structures is good for this. I love working with mixed ability groups.

KiDu89 20:14

Docendo discimus - we learn through teaching. Provideopportunities for children to teach & share ideas with lower year

groups #ukedchat


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johnccarver 20:14

RT @AntHeald: Of course instant availability of google doesn't stop

learning: need to be able to understand, verify & contextualise the

info #ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:14



own way

apuustin 20:14And let students teach us all the time. We both learn and We mustshow that to students #ukedchat


@ICTwitz #ukedchat does school take learning away? maybe it

takes the ability to think away - I recommend ken robinson

changing paradigm vid


RT @mberry: RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat...

Children are natural learners, from birth. Does the school system

drain this away?

vickyloras 20:15

RT @apuustin: And let students teach us all the time. We both learn

and We must show that to students #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:15@jayneokell #ukedchat arriving at correct answer isn't real learningis it? No skill learnt for later life.

oldandrewuk 20:15



info #ukedchat

apuustin 20:15

RT @heartofsol: RT @apuustin You learn best when you teach. Let's

put students to teach things in small scale #ukedchat YES! Should be

a part of all lessons

jayneokell 20:16

@CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat Would be great if our curriculum

wasn't so vast!

MrsVictorM 20:16

@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Best learning comes from

inspirational & captivating teachers.

JOHNSAYERS 20:16

How do we show we've learn't something? We get excited a tweet

is or spread the word about it. #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:16

RT @mberry Pre-schoolers come ready-equipped knwing how to

learn: it's what they do. Not sure schooling comes so naturally

#ukedchat so true

oldandrewuk 20:16 @mattpearson Maybe in your lessons.... #ukedchat


RT @jayneokell: @CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat Would be great if our

curriculum wasn't so vast!

apuustin 20:17

the best and the fresh ideas come from kids and students not from

us #ukedchat

heartofsol 20:17



own way

KempsterD 20:17

RT @mberry Am I missing a point within #ukedchat... Children are

natural learners, from birth. Does the school system drain this

away?> YES

KiDu89 20:17




#ukedchat the google thing was that maybe the instantaneousavailability of info means facts are used but not learned, as can re-

google


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ePaceonline 20:17

#ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about how they learn they

become 'learning partners', and begin to take charge of learning

process

smurfatik 20:18

I find telling students the reason or purpose behind activities &

techniques, why I chose them, helps them learn how to learn

#ukedchat


RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's theprocess of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system

doesn't promote this :-(

mberry 20:18

@MrsVictorM I wonder. There's so much I've learnt through

experiment and discussion with peers, without a 'teacher'.

#ukedchat


Ok dear people in #ukedchat need to go as otherwise kiddo will not

sleep, have a lovely evening all. God Bless all and dear @csgant


#ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on changing paradigms is here -

recomended http://t.co/99znQFch

vickyloras 20:18

RT @apuustin: the best and the fresh ideas come from kids and

students not from us #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:18

@KiDu89 #ukedchat agree. Early numeracy strategy starter was

based on this, worked well for lower ability. Learnt from higher

ability

ICTwitz 20:18

Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the process of how you

got to the answer #ukedchat But our system doesn't promote this :-

(

oldandrewuk 20:18 @ePaceonline Not true. http://t.co/zSYMjbdd #ukedchat

smurfatik 20:19

also modelling how I personally learn new things encourages them

to think more about how they learn #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:19

@Andy__Stokes #ukedchat maybe because they have no

understanding of place value. Seriously, it's a tough topic tonight

oldandrewuk 20:19

@ICTwitz I think that's because it's not true. #ukedchat We actually

need to know stuff, not just how to find out stuff.

ePaceonline 20:19

RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the

process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system


apuustin 20:19RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what you want them tolearn, they need to tell you #ukedchat


Surely the best learning takes place when children don't realise they

are learning? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:20 @oldandrewuk Don't they go hand in hand? #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:20

RT @JOHNSAYERS: Teach a variety of methods of how to unlock

learning and then reduce the teacher input and hopefully see

students flourish. #ukedchat

apuustin 20:20

RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat # Once a pupil knows more about

how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take

charge of learning process


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JOHNSAYERS 20:20

Teach a variety of methods of how to unlock learning and then

reduce the teacher input and hopefully see students flourish.

#ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:20 Bloom's #UKEdChat

KempsterD 20:20

#ukedchat @mberry Miles is right, chldrn are natural learners and

school bashes this out of them. However, teachers can enhance nat

lrning

MsELH 20:21

They've asked me to recommend another book for them; I feel

pressured because Woman in Black is SO fantastic. Any ideas

twitter? #ukedchat

amazingict 20:21

One answer is to provide the tools (eg audacity +mic) some web

space...lots of ENTHUSIASM and then stand back... #ukedchat

heartofsol 20:21

Learning happens for two reasons: either you WANT to or you HAVE

to. But do both require different methods as well? #ukedchat

davidexeter 20:21#ukedchat Memorable, meaningful and motivational learning usingthe outdoors; in adventure and exploration.



how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to take

charge of learning process

oldandrewuk 20:21

@CarrotyCarrots Saying "surely" before a dubious claim doesn't

make it more credible. #ukedchat

susiehiley 20:22

@ICTwitz In many cases,yes, but certain teaching methods eg

mantle of the expert& forest schools are trying 2 change this

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:22

@KempsterD @mberry #ukedchat Children are natural learners, but

schools also make children think, and that's less natural.

mberry 20:22

@KempsterD 'enhance' would be cool, but 'permit' would be a

start. Part of our role is broadening horizons. #ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:22

@CarrotyCarrots no far from it. #ofsted need students to

understand what, why, how, they are learning... #UKEdChat

cherrylkd 20:22

@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat possibly depends on reason for

googling. If interest is there they will learn, if not they re google.

SirBlimelyWindy 20:22#ukedchat sorry, reading a lot of wonderful tweets here - keep it up -got a related question at 8:30

Andy__Stokes 20:23

RT @Andy__Stokes: Thought mind mapping might be useful for

year 11 revision ? "But we don't need to understand sir just

remember" #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:23

@susiehiley Indeed, and the EYFS. It all goes messy from KS1

onwards ;-) #ukedchat

Theresauno 20:23

@ukedchat Capacity 2 learn inherent -teachers mst inspire n allow

thort n reflection rather than loads of info. #ukedchat

#justmyopinion

CarrotyCarrots 20:23Children are learning all the time. I could have 100 WALTs andWILFs for every lesson. #ukedchat


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apuustin 20:23

Find new learning environment where students are naturally,

Facebook, cafes, homes, Friends #ukedchat

schoolsict 20:23

RT @JOHNSAYERS: Teach a lots of methods of how to unlock

learning & then reduce the teacher input. #ukedchat Is it??

oldandrewuk 20:24

@ICTwitz #ukedchat Not with children, no. There's far more basic

knowledge than "finding out skills" to learn.

Andy__Stokes 20:24

RT @Andy__Stokes: @cherrylkd if that's true then why do so many

A star students drop out at A level because its too hard!#ukedchat


RT @CarrotyCarrots: Children are learning all the time. I could have

100 WALTs and WILFs for every lesson. #ukedchat

DimitrisPt 20:25

RT @apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to

teach things in small scale ? #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:25

One strategy I love is giving students ICT programs/web2.0 sites to

students to EXPLORE, present findings n evaluate use to self

#ukedchat

ufasarah 20:25

Research into peer tutoring shows that yp in role of ZpT learn as

much if not more than tutees because they get the process more#ukedchat


RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Think it's fundamental for pupils to

understand learning process and how they learn. Great teaching

lost without great learning.

apuustin 20:25

RT @ViciaScience: Teach children how to learn by modelling the

process for them. Discuss your own ongoing professional learning

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:25

@CarrotyCarrots #ukedchat are we back to the EYFS again? They

learn very well through play with peers. Peers as teachers and

learners


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Andy__Stokes 20:25

RT @Andy__Stokes: @SirBlimelyWindy do we teach learners to

learn, or do we create the conditions for them to teach

themselves? #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:25

#ukedchat Involve pupils in their own learning. Teaching and

learning need to be symbiotic.

schoolsict 20:25

RT @apuustin: Find learning environment where students are

naturally, Facebook, cafes, homes, Friends #ukedchat < Engagewithout barriers

agarridodiez 20:25

@apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students

to teach things in small scale! #ukedchat #edchat #education

SirBlimelyWindy 20:25 @Andy__Stokes #ukedchat my next question is related to that

ViciaScience 20:25

Teach children how to learn by modelling the process for them.

Discuss your own ongoing professional learning #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:26#ukedchat 'Thinking caps on' a well repeated phrase in class. I say,they should never be taken off! ;-)


@Andy__Stokes #ukedchat well creating the conditions involves

teaching the learning skills I think

ufasarah 20:26

If youre interested in peer tutoring My latest blogpost The Power of

Peer Tutoring wp.me/p1L0eE-i #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:26



info #ukedchat

mberry 20:26

@ePaceonline without great learning, not sure that it could

reasonably be described as great teaching. #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:26

@ePaceonline #ukedchat But most teachers don't even understand

that.Many believe in "learning styles" or that children learn more

when happy

ICTmagic 20:26

RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on

changing paradigms is here - recomended http://t.co/99znQFch

Andy__Stokes 20:26

sorry just realised id been using the wrong hashtag derrr!!!

#ukedchat

mberry 20:26

RT @Theresauno: @ukedchat Capacity 2 learn inherent -teachers

mst inspire n allow thort n reflection rather than loads of info.

#ukedchat

heartofsol 20:26

RT @apuustin And let students teach us all the time. We both learn

and We must show that to students #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:26 @oldandrewuk Wow. #ukedchat How could I have got it so wrong?


RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat 'Thinking caps on' a well repeated

phrase in class. I say, they should never be taken off! ;-)

apuustin 20:27

teachers should imagine students age. What areas are They

interested and link teaching to that #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:27 @mattpearson true but i still dont understand! 'ukedchat


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KiDu89 20:27

@heartofsol In a way yes -different methods of motivation. 'Want

to' is not as dependent on extrinsic motivation as the 'have to'.

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:27

@oldandrewuk do you think unhappy children learn better than

happy ones (serious question) #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:27

@ICTwitz #ukedchat Presumably, you have just never thought to

challenge trendy ideas.

mattpearson 20:27

@Andy__Stokes there you go, you learned something. Easy as

that!! :-) #ukedchat

Ilotimo 20:27

RT @apuustin: You learn best when you teach. Let's put students to

teach things in small scale ? #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:28

@oldandrewuk I'm enlightened, my head must have been stuck in

the sands of child centred learning all these years ;-) #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:28 @KempsterD @mberry #ukedchat Yes. Google "Dan Willingham".

apuustin 20:28RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Involve pupils in their own learning.Teaching and learning need to be symbiotic.

ufasarah 20:28

Sorry just joining #ukedchat late ... We try to lift the process of

learning up so that it's visible - make it explicit!


@TeacherToolkit Is it important that a 4yo need to be constantly

aware of what they are learning? Can't they just get on with it?

#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:29

@schoolsict @johnsayers mantle of the expert/enquiries have

much less teacher input #ukedchat teacher can observe, assess and

question

cazbrader 20:29

RT @ufasarah: If youre interested in peer tutoring My latest

blogpost The Power of Peer Tutoring wp.me/p1L0eE-i #ukedchat


#ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow the required 'knowledge'

purely to that required to pass the exam? should we challenge this?

apuustin 20:29

RT @JOHNSAYERS: One strategy I love is giving students ICT

programs/web2.0 sites to students to EXPLORE, present findings n

evaluate use to self #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:30

RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow

the required 'knowledge' purely to that required to pass the exam?

mattbuxton10 20:30

As teacher ask good questions to lead towards knowledge in the

Socratic style; #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:30

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat teachers should know about whole

learning process & pedagogy, how can we teach if we don't know

how pupils learn?

oldandrewuk 20:30

@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat That's only an issue in schools where

the kids learn so little that they won't pass the exam without that

focus.

schoolsict 20:30

Is teaching learning in one direction and is researching learning in

any direction? #ukedchat


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dan_bowen 20:30

RT @mberry: RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat...


drain this away?

apuustin 20:31

It could be brilliant teamwork. get know your students and their

strenghts #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:31


how they learn they become 'learning partners', and begin to takecharge of learning process

KempsterD 20:31

RT @SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat ok, does the curriculum narrow

the required 'knowledge' should we challenge this? > every day in

every way...

AntHeald 20:31

RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what you want them to

learn, they need to tell you #ukedchat


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15 December 2011


jayneokell 20:33

@cherrylkd #ukedchat They have learned the process but have no

understanding of why it works. That's the difference between the

two.

Biolady99 20:33



#ukedchat

literacylender 20:34

#ukedchat it's important we teach children skills of a good learner.

Being inquisitive, curious, interested in learning new facts!

KempsterD 20:34

#ukedchat If u take the BLP 4 areas of learning it's as gd a place 2

start with a class/school. Then build on it but dnt do it to be trendy

Theresauno 20:34

@CarrotyCarrots I agree. Learning is about self-awareness -

engaging in society not just mimicking it #ukedchat

@TeacherToolkit

alexgingell 20:34Sorry not to be joining y'all for #ukedchat this eve - looks like a goodone! Will be catching up later this weeked :) Enjoy!

oldandrewuk 20:34

@apuustin @mattbuxton10 #ukedchat According to Plato, Socrates

often used questioning to humiliate people while his students

watched.

heartofsol 20:34

Is it possible for a teacher and his class to learn something new

together? With both parties on almost equal footing? #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:34

RT @teachitso: #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next

day.

ICTwitz 20:35

RT @ePaceonline: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat what is your

experience of teachers being 'lied to' about the psychology of

learning?

eyespeakbrasil 20:35 Hi from Brazil #ukedchat !


RT @Theresauno: @CarrotyCarrots I agree. Learning is about self-

awareness - engaging in society not just mimicking it #ukedchat

@TeacherToolkit

ePaceonline 20:35

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat what is your experience of teachers

being 'lied to' about the psychology of learning?

dan_bowen 20:35

RT @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the

process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat But our system


Andy__Stokes 20:35

@heartofsol now were talking that's teaching learning skills!!

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:35

@heartofsol #ukedchat Only if the teacher is really, really bad at

their subject.

cherrylkd 20:36

@heartofsol #ukedchat it is with digital technology. Lots of new

things to discover almost daily teacher & class could do together

creativeartsco 20:36

#ukedchat narrows the knowledge for the exam? It narrows

opportunities for children to experiment with learning

@sirblimelywindyjayneokell 20:36 @heartofsol #ukedchat gained an insight into their culture.


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a teacher never knows everything and should be prepared to learn

#ukedchat

jayneokell 20:36

@heartofsol #ukedchat Definitely. I did a series of lessons on Islam

with y1 chn. Lots of them shared their experiences of Eid and I.

SheliBB 20:36@heartofsol easy in primary classroom, that's often how I teach(topics, can do the maths of course, they're only 6!) #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:37

@SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and

should be prepared to learn #ukedchat definitely! love learning

alongside children

Ilotimo 20:37

Check Team Academy http://t.co/naWbKz57 in Finland, 4 year of

#pbl for students there #pbl #pblchat #edchat #ukedchat #cpchat

C4History 20:37 On a PGCE Year when should you start looking for a job? #ukedchat

TeachToAll 20:37RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and shouldbe prepared to learn #ukedchat

jayneokell 20:37

@Andy__Stokes @heartofsol #ukedchat but as a teacher, your

skills need to change and adapt constantly.


RT @creativeartsco: #ukedchat narrows the knowledge for the

exam? It narrows opportunities for children to experiment with

learning @sirblimelywindy

Heatherleatt 20:37

@sirblimelywindy It doesn't have to. You can teach what's needed

for the exam wrapped up in challenging stuff. Don't use txt bks

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:37

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat this in my opinion is not a good way of

bringing out the best in pupils, see it a form of bullying Socrates or

not.

Theresauno 20:37

@heartofsol I believe so - each child is an individual n we r all

constantly learning IMO #ukedchat @ukedchat

schoolsict 20:37

RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows everything and should

be prepared to learn #ukedchat < so true but i know so many that

wont.

apuustin 20:38

Never humiliete student or you lose the game. Allways two winners

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:38

RT @jackieschneider: @ePaceonline @oldandrewuk - you should

read @bengoldacre on the rubbish pedalled in "acceleratedlearning' #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:38

@KempsterD #ukedchat , I agree BLP an excellent way forward.

Please also look at ePace, it looks at how pupils learn with online

assessment.

heartofsol 20:38

Good point @KiDu89 - want or need? which will led to "better"

learning, and how do we take advantage of it? #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:38

@ePaceonline Learning Styles; Brain Gym; BLP; inquiry learning;

groupwork, (most forms of) Bloom's taxonomy; thinking skills.

#ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:38

@apuustin does it? or when we find an answer do we not just stop

looking and move on? #ukedchat


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jackieschneider 20:38

@ePaceonline @oldandrewuk - you should read @bengoldacre on

the rubbish pedalled in "accelerated learning' #ukedchat

mberry 20:38

RT @SirBlimelyWindy teacher never knows everything & should be

prepared to learn #ukedchat < review tonight's tweets with teacher

as learner

Theresauno 20:38

RT @ePaceonline: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat teachers should knowabout whole learning process & pedagogy, how can we teach if we

don't know how pupils learn?

Heatherleatt 20:38

RT @Andy__Stokes: @apuustin what if questions led to more

questions and the knowledge was merely a bi product? #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:38


be prepared to learn #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:39

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat, it would seem that because you don't

believe in these approaches that they are lies, they are all legitimate

methods

ICTwitz 20:39

@oldandrewuk Unable to work out whether you are joking or not

#ukedchat Playing devils advocate to encourage discussion?


RT @schoolsict:RT @SirBlimelyWindy:a teacher never knows

everything and should be prepared to learn #ukedchat


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15 December 2011


ICTwitz 20:41

@literacylender I agree. I make out that I don't know much, being

part of pupils learning adventure #ukedchat

apuustin 20:41 Now to bed. it was Great discussions. Thank you all ! #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:41


be prepared to learn #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:41RT @ePaceonline #ukedchat , I agree BLP an excellent way forward.Please also look at ePace.... > will do. Thanks


#ukedchat - seems a funny old discussion tonight. Finding it hard to

get a handle on it

oldandrewuk 20:41

@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Something wrong if they are having

to learn subject knowledge from their students.

JOHNSAYERS 20:41

I give students access to a learning and teaching blog and various

tech / program news sites to almost find ideas before me #ukedchat

mberry 20:41

@MrsVictorM not sure Pied Piper is quite the role model for the

profession we should have in mind ;-) #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:41

@mberry so we just play the game then !! Is this really why we all

went into teaching?#ukedchat

OmarKettlewell 20:42

RT @ukedchat: RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows


heartofsol 20:42

@oldandrewuk there are many situations where a teacher & class

will be new to a topic - nothing to do with "bad" at a subject

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:42

Students write programs web2.0 tools on windows with whiteboard

pens for others to explore for ALL to experiment #ukedchat


@oldandrewuk #ukedchat of course not subject knowledge, but if

there is a new way of looking at sth, maybe T and S can explore

together

Heatherleatt 20:42 #ukedchat it's all about learning -

oldandrewuk 20:42

@mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Have you read it? He

didn't get made to drink hemlock because they appreciated being

taught.

KiDu89 20:42

@heartofsol The 'want' will lead to better learning. If u dont want

to do something, u put less effort into it thus get less out.

#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:42

@ukedchat @sirblimelywindy too many teachers feel that they

*have* to be the expert. Why? Need to change that kind of thinking

#ukedchat

suomitrendit 20:42 Nyt pinnalla: #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:43

#ukedchat @oldandrewuk @sirblimelywindy if its not their own

subject the ch may have superior knowledge. Cultural differences,

religion etc

Biolady99 20:43

RT @ukedchat: RT @SirBlimelyWindy: a teacher never knows



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RT @ICTwitz: Am I missing a point within #ukedchat tonight.


drain this away?

SheliBB 20:43

@dukkhaboy @johnsayers http://t.co/4ReoKBBh scroll down a wee

bit to see what I did, too long to tweet! #ukedchat

SirBlimelyWindy 20:43 RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat it's all about learning -


@PrimaryIdeas @literacylender theres a chat about how to

facilitate learning on #ukedchat now... Hopefully will turn out quite

interesting


@ICTwitz - I couldn't agree more. Kids often learn DESPITE school

not because of it #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:44

I have never met a child who doesn't want to learn...they just don't

always want to learn what I/the curriculum want them to!

#ukedchat

agarridodiez 20:44

@ePaceonline @apuustin these are precisely the benefits of

assessment for learning. #A4learn #ukedchat #edchat

literacylender 20:44

#ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to teach me something

new.Short session each week,but children love fact they teach me

new things

mberry 20:44

@Andy__Stokes not me, but I suspect it's why some leave the

profession :-( Open minded heads and gifted teachers make a

difference #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:44

@dukkhaboy @johnsayers I do know kodu well though (made

@GameOfThrones word!) but you don't need to as there are

tutorials #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:44

#ukedchat Dan Buckley did some great work on the breaking down

of the PLTS. It sort of disappeared though. Is it still out there?

mberry 20:45

@MrsVictorM Yes indeed. Don't dispute that gifted, inspirational,

captivating teachers have a huge impact. #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:45

@jackieschneider Excellent #ukedchat We try to compartmentalise

pupils as soon as they step through the door!

Heatherleatt 20:45 @SirBlimelyWindy text books? #ukedchat

aangeli 20:45

RT @jodieworld: I have never met a child who doesn't want to

learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculumwant them to! #ukedchat

heartofsol 20:45

@SheliBB how important is it for students to know that their

teacher is still learning things? Very or very very?? #ukedchat


So has ANYONE tweeted anything useful on #L2L Learning To Learn

tonight? #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:45

@Heatherleatt true but does our system of examinations genuinely

imply a variety of answers ? #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:46Sutton Trust report recently claimed children learning to learn madea huge impact on their academic progress. Vital. #ukedchat


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learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum

want them to! #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:46

@TeacherToolkit Apparently, it's all a load of rubbish #ukedchat So

say @oldandrewuk

KempsterD 20:46

RT @jodieworld I have never met a child who doesn't want to

learn...they just don't always want to learn what..... #ukedchat > sotrue

MrWickensPE 20:46

Finally can join the last 15 mins of #ukedchat. What is todays topic

please?

oldandrewuk 20:46

@cherrylkd @sirblimelywindy #ukedchat which is why subject

specialisms are so important.


@Heatherleatt yep - textbooks are a tool for occasional use - not

the bible, as it were #ukedchat

KiDu89 20:46

@heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when

introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best

#ukedchat

KiDu89 20:46

@heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want to learn when

introducing any new topic & how they think they'll learn it best

#ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:47

@mberry they do but all to often face the challenges of

performativity, constantly compromising on core beliefs and

values#ukedchat


RT @KiDu89: @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want

to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll

learn it best #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:47

@heartofsol #ukedchat Teachers should not be new to a topic. If

they are, there is something wrong with the topic or the teacher.

SheliBB 20:47

@literacylender @ePaceonline we should model those skills. I

regularly tell my children that I love learning, reading, maths etc

#ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:47

@Andy__Stokes the exams don't but doesn't mean that teachers

shouldn't #ukedchat


RT @KiDu89: @heartofsol Take adv by asking chn what they want

to learn when introducing any new topic & how they think they'll

learn it best #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:48

RT @SheliBB: @ukedchat @sirblimelywindy too many teachers feelthat they *have* to be the expert. Why? Need to change that kind

of thinking #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:48

RT @ICTwitz: @literacylender I agree. I make out that I don't know

much, being part of pupils learning adventure #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:49

RT @literacylender: #ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to

teach me something new.Short session each week,but children love

fact they teach me new things

heartofsol 20:49@KiDu89 ok, so WANT is better. How do we get kids to want tolearn the lessons currently being taught? #ukedchat


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15 December 2011


jayneokell 20:49

@SheliBB @literacylender @epaceonline #ukedchat Met a head

who would get a book out when his class had quiet reading time to

encourage kids.

oldandrewuk 20:49

@ICTwitz @TeacherToolkit #ukedchat It is. It's all just dumbing-

down wrapped up jargon. http://t.co/3jKHagJi

cherrylkd 20:49

@oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject specialism is not compulsory

in primary. Can't be master of all 11 subjects no matter how good ateacher

Educationchat 20:50

@oldandrewuk @heartofsol Couldn't disagree more. Teachers need

only be one step ahead of pupils. Always new things to teach/learn.

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:50

@ePaceonline #ukedchat They are lies because they misrepresent

basic facts of psychology.

alomshaha 20:50

RT @GiftedPhoenix: OFQUAL's detailed Q and A on the implications

of yesterday's changes to GCSE marking and modularity -

http://t.co/iBAFDnWs #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:50

#ukedchat I still see far too much didactic teaching and it is going to

get worse under Gove. I despair sometimes. Education factories...

jayneokell 20:50

@cherrylkd @oldandrewuk #ukedchat But speaking as a specialist

in pri, I want to have a class and get to know them. This is why I

teach pri.

KiDu89 20:50

RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject specialism is

not compulsory in primary. Can't be master of all 11 subjects no

matter how good a teacher

Jon_Torbitt 20:50

@ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't the learning. It's the

process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat all about league

tables sadly

agarridodiez 20:50

Feedback to pupils leads to new learning and helps both teachers &

learners to take further steps when planning. #ukedchat

mattbuxton10 20:50

@oldandrewuk @ePaceonline Yes I've read it; and I don't recall him

being killed for being a bully #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:50

@heartofsol very very very! They should grow up knowing that

learning is lifelong, that no~one is expert at everything #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:50I like to find things out with the children i.e. Y3 - Ancient Egypt. Buttop set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff! #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:50

@SirBlimelyWindy a teacher never knows everything and should be

prepared to learn #ukedchat I often ask em t teach me other

subject learning

oldandrewuk 20:51

@ICTwitz #ukedchat I know it's hard to believe, but some teachers

are capable of challenging jargon and gimmicks.

agarridodiez 20:51

Thus, planning and assessment are interdependent processes.

#ukedchat

ufasarah 20:51

RT @heartofsol: @SheliBB how important is it for students to know

that their teacher is still learning things? Very or very very??#ukedchat


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sonicwaffled 20:51

@literacylender my reception class love it when I get things wrong!

They take great pride in correcting my mistakes :) #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:51

RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed children

learning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress.

Vital. #ukedchat


@oldandrewuk can you not join in with your chdn on research?What if u discover something new - do u cont tht research or move

on #ukedchat

ufasarah 20:51

RT @literacylender: #ukedchat I give my class the opportunity to

teach me something new.Short session each week,but children love

fact they teach me new things

mattpearson 20:51

the chat this evening illuminated something of the mystery about

what gets learned (or not) at school. #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:51

@heartofsol : The skillful art of manipulation through effective

engage? #ukedchat


RT @Jon_Torbitt: @ICTwitz: Sometimes the answer isn't thelearning. It's the process of how you got to the answer #ukedchat

all about league tables sadly

KempsterD 20:52

RT @KiDu89 RT @cherrylkd: @oldandrewuk #ukedchat but subject

specialism is not compulsory in primary.> how did subjects come

about and why?

sonicwaffled 20:52 @jodieworld that's why I love :D #earlyyears! #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:52

@jayneokell #ukedchat I'm sure u do. But can u honestly say u

know everything about the subjects u don't specialise in ?


@educationchat was tht thru learn2learn, experiential learning...?

How'd they go about it? #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:52

RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat I still see far too much didactic

teaching and it is going to get worse under Gove. I despair

sometimes. Education factories...

KiDu89 20:52

@heartofsol It's all in the level of enthusiasm shown by the teacher

in the delivery of the lesson. Kids feed off of our energy #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:52

@jayneokell @literacylender @epaceonline I usually do art, DT,

writing and research alongside the children #ukedchat and if course

drama!

Andy__Stokes 20:53 @KiDu89 so it all comes back to effective engagement? #ukedchat

JulieKaine 20:53

Give a 14 year old boy an icing pen #ukedchat learning through

doinghttp://yfrog.com/h3m69kij

oldandrewuk 20:53

@mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Never said it was

bullying. He was humiliating the powerful. Just don't want it done to

kids.

Jon_Torbitt 20:53

@KiDu89: It's all in level of enthusiasm shown by the teacher in

delivery of lesson. Kids feed off of our energy #ukedchat Totally

agree!

creativeartsco 20:53@jodieworld couldnt agree more! But could is also be to do withthe Learning style you're utilising? #ukedchat


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15 December 2011


ePaceonline 20:53

@Educationchat #ukedchat - indeed learning to learn is highlighted

as one of the things that work in Sutton Report.


@literacylender my reception class love it when I get things wrong!

They take great pride in correcting my mistakes :) #ukedchat >

Ditto!

Vickycarl 20:53

@Educationchat @oldandrewuk I agree, I often learn with the

children, it makes them feel special when they tell me new things#ukedchat

jodieworld 20:53

@sonicwaffled Hahaha! But you need an in-depth Lego knowledge

to really accelerate their learning! ;-) #ukedchat

ICTwitz 20:53 @oldandrewuk It's all a battle to survive #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:53

When you teach through mante of the expert the children lead the

direction of the learning, so you cannot be the expert #ukedchat

jayneokell 20:53 @agarridodiez #ukedchat Really?

heartofsol 20:53

Interesting - @shelibb @oldandrewuk should teachers be experts or

is ok if they are not? #ukedchat

mberry 20:54

RT @jodieworld: I like to find things out with the children eg Y3

Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff!

#ukedchat


RT @Andy__Stokes: @KiDu89 so it all comes back to effective

engagement? #ukedchat

jodieworld 20:54

@creativeartsco I think it's more about having secure subject

knowledge which allows me to cater for all learning styles

#ukedchat

heartofsol 20:54

@oldandrewuk I dont think its possible for a teacher to know

everything. I also think its ok to learn from students. #ukedchat

SheliBB 20:54

And mantle of the expert assumes that the children *are*the

experts #ukedchat #rolereversal

ufasarah 20:54

Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And each new

learning experience means you learn more about learning &

yourself #ukedchat


@sheliBB mantle of the expert is a wonderful tool... Some are shy

of the technique though and I'd love to know why... #ukedchat

heartofsol 20:55

@oldandrewuk I also think its fine if you are corrected by your

students if you make a mistake. Gives them precious confidence#ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 20:55 @ufasarah implicitly or explicitly?#ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:55

RT @ufasarah: Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And

each new learning experience means you learn more about learning

& yourself #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:55

#ukedchat Second section of this give my views on learning to learn

http://t.co/3jKHagJi

ufasarah 20:55

RT @KempsterD: #ukedchat I still see far too much didactic

teaching and it is going to get worse under Gove. I despair

sometimes. Education factories...


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15 December 2011


cherrylkd 20:55

RT @jodieworld: like 2 find things out with children i.e. Y3 -

Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths u HAVE to know your stuff!

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:55

There will be no official #ukedchat discussion next week. #asechat

takes over #ukedchat on 29 Dec. Vote open http://t.co/2N9vieTU

Educationchat 20:55

@oldandrewuk @ICTwitz And some think things which are not

jargon and gimmicks are jargon and gimmicks. #ukedchat

ePaceonline 20:56

RT @agarridodiez: Feedback to pupils leads to new learning and

helps both teachers & learners to take further steps when planning.

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:56

@sonicwaffled #ukedchat it always returns to EYFS. They have it

spot on there

oldandrewuk 20:56

RT @AntHeald: RT @CarrotyCarrots: You can't tell children what

you want them to learn, they need to tell you #ukedchat


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15 December 2011


Knightman1986 20:58


learn...they just don't always want to learn what I/the curriculum

want them to! #ukedchat

KempsterD 20:58

Teachmeet South London #tmslondon on 1st March 2012 in

Croydon. Sign up here http://t.co/QQoAZ9IC Would love to see you

there. #ukedchat


RT @ePaceonline: @KempsterD #ukedchat. I am sure you've seen

Ken Robinson's Paradigm on You Tube. < I linked to it earlier

jayneokell 20:58

@cherrylkd #ukedchat No I can't say that. I'm an NQT so my

knowledge in geog and hist in particular is not good. It will improve

as I

heartofsol 20:58

RT @oldandrewuk @heartofsol Couldn't disagree more. Teachers

need to be one step ahead of pupils #ukedchat agree or disagree?


RT @Heatherleatt: Got to stop edu being like a sausage factory -

kids deserve so much better and it's soul destroying for teachers.#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:59

@heartofsol #ukedchat Everyone makes mistakes. By contrast

ignorance on the part of the teacher is not excusable.

ePaceonline 20:59

RT @ufasarah: Learning about the process of learning is crucial. And

each new learning experience means you learn more about learning

& yourself #ukedchat


Right, that's just about it - much food for thought #ukedchat will try

to summarise it faithfully


@sheliBB interesting - I've wondered those points too! Do you think

teachers are willing to try dramatic/artistic techniques? #ukedchat

jayneokell 20:59 @cherrylkd #ukedchat I gain more experience.

KempsterD 20:59

RT @ePaceonline @KempsterD #ukedchat. I am sure you've seen

Ken Robinson's Paradigm on You Tube. > I have indeed. All should

watch.

ePaceonline 20:59

RT @CarrotyCarrots: "@literacylender my reception class love it

when I get things wrong! They take great pride in correcting my

mistakes :) "#ukedchat > Ditto!

dan_bowen 20:59

RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed children

learning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress.Vital. #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 20:59

@SheliBB @heartofsol #ukedchat Which is why OFSTED have very

little credibility.

Knightman1986 20:59

RT @jodieworld: I like to find things out with the children i.e. Y3 -

Ancient Egypt. But top set Y5 maths you HAVE to know your stuff!

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 21:00 @KempsterD #ukedchat Brilliant isn't it?


@ukedchat right... will try and write up a report - lots to cover! Is

the archiving etc done by you?

agarridodiez 21:00

Pupils learning can be assessed in different ways ( not just with

tests ), i.e. by observing pupils, through questioning,.. #ukedchat


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heartofsol 21:00

@KiDu89 great to ask kids what they want to learn - but where do

you get the time to do this? Logistically hard to do #ukedchat

Educationchat 21:00

@oldandrewuk And here's official research: Read page 27.

http://t.co/Xov0hEgi #ukedchat

ePaceonline 21:00 @heartofsol #ukedchat - totally agree with you.

Andy__Stokes 21:00@SirBlimelyWindy many thanks for moderating such an interestingtopic #ukedchat

ukedchat 21:00

It's 9pm. Many thanks to @SirBlimelyWindy for hosting #ukedchat

See the links & the archive will be published at

http://t.co/qUanPkyC

KempsterD 21:01

@SirBlimelyWindy Off now. Thanks for hosting Neil. In the words of

Sid James 'Carry on Learning' #ukedchat

jayneokell 21:01

@creativeartsco @agarridodiez #ukedchat Learning can't be learner

led as there are things we have to do and need to get good

coverage.

NatEdTrust 21:01

RT @Educationchat: Sutton Trust report recently claimed childrenlearning to learn made a huge impact on their academic progress.

Vital. #ukedchat

ufasarah 21:01

If you havent already seen @globalearner presentation at the

@theschoolsnet conf then please watch bit.ly/rQpE5g YP need

purpose #ukedchat

CarrotyCarrots 21:01 @SirBlimelyWindy Thanks for tonight's #ukedchat.

ukedchat 21:01 @SirBlimelyWindy Yes, and thank you #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:01

@Educationchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat Probably easier if you

just buy Dan Willingham's book.

cherrylkd 21:01 @SirBlimelyWindy thanks for a great thurs evening #ukedchat

Biolady99 21:01 @ukedchat thanks and night all :)

KiDu89 21:01

@Andy__Stokes Of course. A child will want to be involved in

something if it looks fun & exciting. #ukedchat

SheliBB 21:01

@creativeartsco lots are keen to use drama when they see it in

action #ukedchat

KiDu89 21:02

@heartofsol I do it at the start of every new topic, just as you would

to find out what they already know. Short 15 min discussion

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 21:02 @Heatherleatt #ukedchat Yes, Yes, Yes!!

TeachToAll 21:02

@ePaceonline @heartofsol i second that!! if we are encouraginglifelong learning why shouldn't we as teachers still be learning!

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:02

@KempsterD @KiDu89 @cherrylkd #ukedchat Came about because

most knowledge is naturally divisible into disciplines. Read Paul

Hirst.

heartofsol 21:02

RT @oldandrewuk @heartofsol #ukedchat Everyone makes

mistakes. By contrast ignorance on the part of the teacher is not

excusable > AGREED

JRP_Penguin 21:02

#ukedchat another interesting mix of rational reflections and utterly

meaningless consultant-babble.

SheliBB 21:03

@MaxHopewell @johnsayers free programming tool from

Microsoft. It's fab. Create own games easily #ukedchat


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15 December 2011


ufasarah 21:03 #ukedchat @globalearner Q 'who owns the learning' is crucial

Andy__Stokes 21:03

@KiDu89 but what if its not? Then why do they engage?

Relationship? #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:03

If Miss Jean Brodie was real, she'd be spreading her ideas on

#ukedchat

ePaceonline 21:03 @creativeartsco #Ukedchat. My feeling is yes it does.

mattbuxton10 21:03

@oldandrewuk @ePaceonline Who would?Using questions 2 kids

rather than direct instruction 2lead2new understanding isnt

humiliation #ukedchat


@jayneokell #ukedchat would it be fair to say that the NC restricts

the learner in this instance then?

jayneokell 21:03

RT @heartofsol: @KiDu89 great to ask kids what they want to learn -

but where do you get the time to do this? Logistically hard to do

#ukedchat


a well earned ginger wine and lemonade for me now #ukedchat

snow in the morn so steady as you gojayneokell 21:03 First #ukedchat I've participated in. #feelingbrave!

KempsterD 21:04

RT @ePaceonline @KempsterD #ukedchat Brilliant isn't it? So

excellent and so true http://t.co/Zqa7BcB4

Heatherleatt 21:04

@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat great discussion tonight - good luck

with pulling it all together!

ePaceonline 21:05

@SirBlimelyWindy #ukedchat Thank you very much indeed for

hosting.

oldandrewuk 21:05

@mattbuxton10 @ePaceonline #ukedchat Then it isn't really

Socratic. Oh don't mind me, I just like to point out *who* Socrates

questioned.

heartofsol 21:05

@KiDu89 yes, that's a great way, and completely do-able. You

should patent that method, you'll make a mint :-) #ukedchat

SheliBB 21:05

I'm guessing that you are a secondary teacher @oldandrewuk?

@heartofsol #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 21:05 @ufasarah so Ofsted and Edexel are the masters then?#ukedchat

SLCYH 21:06



#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:06

RT @heartofsol: RT @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @SheliBBChildren should definitely work harder than teachers! > AGREED

#ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:06

@Educationchat @ePaceonline #ukedchat Well my thoughts are

pretty easy to find. but I'm not going to summarise everything in

140 characters.

heartofsol 21:06

RT @Educationchat @oldandrewuk @SheliBB Children should

definitely work harder than teachers! > AGREED #ukedchat

SheliBB 21:07

@JOHNSAYERS @maxhopewell although we did ours just using

laptops. Am a big kodu fan. Best free resource I've used for ages#ukedchat


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15 December 2011


heartofsol 21:07

@SheliBB @oldandrewuk I'm actually both primary and secondary ;-

) #ukedchat

ufasarah 21:07

@Andy__Stokes ? Sorry I dont understand your last tweet - maybe

the weirdness of #ukedchat??

agarridodiez 21:07

@creativeartsco I am afraid so. This is my view anyway. We should

learn the Finnish lesson: less is more. #ukedchat

oldandrewuk 21:08RT @PhilipEdmundson: @oldandrewuk In spirit, she is here, at leastten times over... #ukedchat

Andy__Stokes 21:08

@ufasarah sorry i was venting sarcasm at who determines/controls

the learning!! #ukedchat

jayneokell 21:08

@creativeartsco #ukedchat Yeah. Totally. It's too broad and time is

always an issue!

PhilipEdmundson 21:08

@oldandrewuk In spirit, she is here, at least ten times over...

#ukedchat

peer_uk_ltd 21:09



own way

ukedchat 21:09

#ukedchat is being taken over by #asechat on 29 December, but the

poll is open now http://t.co/HdoViw4G

Stephen_Logan 21:09

RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat the Ken Robinson speech on

changing paradigms is here - recomended http://t.co/99znQFch

oldandrewuk 21:09

RT @JRP_Penguin: #ukedchat another interesting mix of rational

reflections and utterly meaningless consultant-babble.

peer_uk_ltd 21:09

RT @teachitso: #ukedchat Learning is what is remembered the next

day.

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