Ukedchat Archive 17 March 2011

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ukedchat

20:00

It's 8pm, Please now join @JOHNSAYERS 4 #ukedchat talking

about Why do so many #NQT 's leave within 5 yrs and what we do

to stop the drain?

JOHNSAYERS

20:00 Ok folks lets get the ball rolling! Why do so many #NQT 's leave

within 5 yrs and what we do to stop the drain? #ukedchat

twolifetimes

20:01

RT @ukedchat: It's 8pm, Please now join @JOHNSAYERS 4

#ukedchat talking about Why do so many #NQT 's leave within 5

yrs and what we do to stop the drain?

iteachyear420:01

Do NQTs leave because the training doesn't really prepare you for

realistic life as a teacher? #ukedchat

susanbanister20:01

@JOHNSAYERS Is it the same for secondary and primary?

#ukedchat

phillengthorn 20:02 the jump from being on PGCE to NQT is massive #ukedchat

teachingofsci20:02

@ukedchat 1 comment, then must go. Today I got a cover, worked

thru lunch (#SciWeek stuff) and now have 2hrs + marking to do.Enough reason?

ukedchat

20:02 Please remember to include the #ukedchat hash tag towards the

start of your tweets so your comments can be archived

JOHNSAYERS20:02

What do people think of the variety of provisions for training

teachers? Which is best, worst, why? #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:03 RT @iteachyear4: RT @phillengthorn: the jump from being on

PGCE to NQT is massive #ukedchat < shud it be 2 years ITT?

JOHNSAYERS

20:03 I did a survey with NQT teachers in my region and asked them did

they feel supported after their induction year #ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:03

RT @egalr: As a current PGCE student I really believe 1year is not

long enough to prepare you for life as a teacher #ukedchat


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deerwood20:05

@colport #ukedchat do we know if most dropouts have B.Ed or

only a PGCE?

JOHNSAYERS20:05

@iteachyear4 I agree I did a PGCE and it was a massive leap!

#ukedchat

Jokprice

20:05 #ukedchat they go from a supportive environment, to a get on with

it someone will help when they time environment!

kiwiteacheruk

20:05

@JOHNSAYERS GTP prepares you for workload and life in the

classroom - it doesn't give you depth of theoretical knowledge.

#ukedchat

Learningplusuk

20:05

The Learning Plus UK Daily is out! http://bit.ly/bsRII3 Top

stories today via @guardianedu @tesconnect @ukedchat

@stevebesley

Grevster7320:05

teaching is unreasonably difficult and stressful, we don't look after

each other's mental health in school #ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:05@Grevster73 Maybe. Would be interesting to see if GTP students

last longer than PGCE. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua

20:05 I've only now realised that the moment I became a real teacher is

when I stopped using my thought and it became instinct #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS20:06

@ianaddison I agree I firmly believe 3 years is best! #ukedchat but

what about you?

SexEdUKation

20:06

@ukedchat because I got promoted out into LEA advisory work

then had a baby.Think maternity leave may be factor for women

teachers #ukedchat

twolifetimes

20:06 #ukedchat I think it's always gonna be a big leap - once you're an

NQT the responsibility for the class is entirely yours.

iteachyear420:06

@JOHNSAYERS Same here. I also felt quite alone in my NQT year

which didn't help. #ukedchat

swelsh04

20:06

@teachingofsci @ukedchat when I was an engineer I got up at 5am

drove to sites.left at 5 home by 7pm ordering stuff equip till 9pm

nuf said?

davestacey20:06

#ukedchat 1. Probs with job - Higher stress / more pressure than

most jobs. Complete lack of flexibility. Always 'on'

john_at_muuua

20:06

Every time a holiday ends I think 'oh my god i don't know how to

teach' and then i'm in front of a class and I do. pure instinct

#ukedchat

angryjedi

20:06 @ukedchat @johnsayers I left because of 4 things. 1) behaviour. 2)

bureaucracy. 3) understaffing. 4) stress caused by 1), 2) and 3).

phillengthorn20:06

RT @colport: #ukedchat I think people go into the job assuming it's

a breeze!


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rashush2

20:07 RT @Grevster73: teaching is unreasonably difficult and stressful,

we don't look after each other's mental health in school #ukedchat

john_at_muuua

20:07

@phillengthorn @Grevster73 it's very 'fake' but necessary. the kids

don't see them as 'real teachers' not matter what we do,

#ukedchat

davestacey20:07 #ukedchat - 3. High pressure leads to 'can't do this to retirement'

view?

JOHNSAYERS

20:07 @phillengthorn @colport those who can do, those that can't teach

#ukedchat how many of us are sick of that quote?

colport

20:07 @phillengthorn Look at the time the 'celebs' have had on Jamie's

Dream school. Not as easy as they thought #ukedchat

kiwiteacheruk

20:07 @JOHNSAYERS - we have 4 NQTs at our school. I wld say I am one

of most prepared out of all, altho 4 yr BEd work route - #ukedchat

davestacey20:07

#ukedchat - 2. some people do PGCE because they don't know

what else to do after uni (those who can't etc etc)

Joeleppington

20:07 #ukedchat 2 years! Please no! My training was almost enough to

put me off teaching, but I love the job itself! 6 years in now

john_at_muuua20:08

@Grevster73 each other's? interesting thought. Teachers as a

caring community. #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:08 I did another survey in the area about what did students prefer. A)

Teacher who started the year with them.... #ukedchat

AdiNotNow20:08

I found PGCE tough to say the least but it did me some serious

insight into real school pace. #ukedchat

dailydenouement

20:08

I'm a career changer & sometimes wonder if prev experience has

given me bit more resilience or willingness to ride out bad stuff

#ukedchat

Grevster73

20:08 RT @phillengthorn: @Grevster73 induction year sounds interesting

- still part of PGCE? #ukedchat It shud be, but does not happen.

john_at_muuua

20:08 RT @iteachyear4: @Grevster73 Maybe. Would be interesting to

see if GTP students last longer than PGCE. #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:09 @john_at_muuua mental health issues are high, but few people

recognise the symptoms or know how to suppoer #ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:09

RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat surely a bigger question should be

'why is teaching so non-stop crazy?' My friends think i'm mental for

taking ANY work home

rashush220:09

Love the job but no idea how people do it who have their own kids

as well #ukedchat

ITsmartie20:09

#ukedchat Accelerated Learning conference at Coventry looking

really good. On my way tonight for an early arrival

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iteachyear4

20:09 Is it also the type of people who go into teaching as they see it as

an easy option. Should training be more realistic in Yr1? #ukedchat

ianaddison

20:09

#ukedchat surely a bigger question should be 'why is teaching so

non-stop crazy?' My friends think i'm mental for taking ANY work

home

mrcICT20:09 @ianaddison #ukedchat I spent 4yrs studying to be a teacher.

Agreed PGCE seems too quick if no previous exp

cherrylkd

20:10

#ukedchat I think many NQTs leave due to lack of support or

protection from a trained mentor. Support varies but should be

standardised

Jokprice20:10

#ukedchat i think it depends on the individual and the practical sch

experience not all staff are supportive

AdiNotNow

20:10 PGCE great for mature student with life experience and good

subject knowledge. BEd good for younger I feel #ukedchat

doc_gnome

20:10@dailydenouement #ukedchat interesting point. How manyteachers go straight from degree to PGCE and then teaching? Other

experience useful.

egalr

20:10

Frustrates me when people on my course say they're not sure they

want to teach. Make sure you want to do it before you start!!

#ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:10 @rashush2 You just juggle it all. I found I just make sure I have time

one day a week to spend with my daughter without fail #ukedchat

EnterpriseSBox

20:10

#ukedchat from my experience of meeting hundreds of NQTs, the

1st placements are KEY to development of confidence and

instinctive skills

theotheralig

20:10

@dailydenouement #ukedchat I have been in other areas of work -

think it helps resilience. Working in the Prison Service Chaplaincy

helped

davestacey20:10

I had a great NQT Mentor and loads of support. Couldn't have done

it without that. #ukedchat

purer_ethics20:10

RT @rashush2: Love the job but no idea how people do it who

have their own kids as well #ukedchat

dailydenouement

20:10

Agreed! RT @Grevster73: @john_at_muuua mental health issues

are high, but few people recognise the symptoms or know how to

suppoer #ukedchat

colport

20:10 @rashush2 I think having your own kids helps you understand

where kids are coming from developmentally #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:10

sorry, one eye on twitter and one on prof Brian Cox tonight.

#ukedchat

Sundayteatime20:11

#ukedchat I think more remission in the first year would help.

Maybe some in the second and third year too?

john_at_muuua

20:11

@Grevster73 Agree. Wonder why I've never had training on

identifying the mental health needs of my colleagues. seen 2 many

go under#ukedchat

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davestacey

20:11 #ukedchat Wonder if 5 yr point is linked to pay. Looking elsewhere

but too expensive for a 'teacher' but don't really want to be HoD

twolifetimes20:11

@mrcICT previous experience is necessary to get onto any primary

course - very popular! #ukedchat

iteachyear420:11

RT @davestacey: I had a great NQT Mentor and loads of support.

Couldn't have done it without that. #ukedchat


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twolifetimes20:13

#ukedchat Do the stats include people who go into other

educational roles (consultancy, etc)

john_at_muuua

20:13

Worked with loads of NQTs and BTs, many fantastic. But worst

answer to 'why become a teacher?' is 'the long holidays'.

#ukedchat

davestacey20:13 Interesting points about previous experience. I have different view

of job to colleges who've only ever known education #ukedchat

Joeleppington

20:13 #ukedchat does anyone else feel that some teacher training pushes

students to adopt a robotic standardised approach to teaching?

john_at_muuua20:14

@iteachyear4 best teachers are those with a life. #ukedchat

AntHeald

20:14RT @dailydenouement: Feeling valued & supported is key. Think

profession not good at colleague support/recognition as in private

sector/industry #ukedchatAdiNotNow 20:14 @john_at_muuua You get holidays??? #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:14

Ok folks so we are getting the trend that a year seems too short a

training regime #ukedchat now for what provisions does your area

give?

deerwood

20:14

#ukedchat I'm not convinced a 1year PGCE can qualify someone to

teach as well as a 4yr B.ed . Teaching is about more than subject

knowedge

cherrylkd

20:14

#ukedchat you couldn't do justice to the teaching + learning

process if you didn't take work home. It would be unfair to ch to do

poor job

john_at_muuua20:14

RT @iteachyear4: I think 'life experience' out of education is so

important to take into the classroom #ukedchat

mrcICT

20:14

@twolifetimes let me clarify difference betwn working in ed sector

for a couple of years and spending 6 wks helping in classes

#ukedchat

footiedodd

20:14

@ukedchat hi only joined twitter yesterday. Looking forward to

sharing good ideas to enable the kids to get the best possible

education

john_at_muuua

20:14

@AdiNotNow @ianaddison some argue that's precisely the

consequence of the 'long holidays'. but work/life is the issue

#ukedchat

TeacherSabrina20:14

RT @rashush2: Love the job but no idea how people do it who

have their own kids as well #ukedchat

RSeddon

20:14

Best training would be to ask a student to plan a day then tell them

the hall's in use, the server's down & to think on their feet

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:15

Darlington area offers most wednesday afternoons training for

NQTs on starters, plenaries, main body of lesson, accelerated ideas

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:15

@AdiNotNow I've forced myself. seriously. Try REALLY hard to

never take work home. #ukedchat

colport20:15

#ukedchat ...similar to those Armstrong & Miller sketches "...so I

became a teacher!!!'

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AdiNotNow20:15

@john_at_muuua @iteachyear4 Tell that to our SLT and LA

#ukedchat

dailydenouement

20:15 Yep! RT @phillengthorn: it's not until you're an NQT that you find

out how lonely a profession teaching can be #ukedchat

ianaddison20:15 #ukedchat if by some magic cure, your working week was cut down

to '9-5' and no work went home, would you take short holidays?

colport20:15

#ukedchat I also think there are teachers who don't know what

else to do in life, therefore become teachers :-(

kiwiteacheruk

20:15

@davestacey I agree with differing views, but views often devalued

or not considered because as NQT I am considered inexperienced

#ukedchat

BrainTrack

20:15

A video to make you remember why you're a teacher

http://wp.me/p1obo4-2p RT @rbnpepper #education #teaching

#teachers #edchat #ukedchat

phillengthorn20:15 it's not until you're an NQT that you find out how lonely a

profession teaching can be #ukedchat

susanbanister

20:15 @ianaddison @AdiNotNow You don't have to be in school still to

work late most nights. I often work in the evenings #ukedchat

john_at_muuua

20:16 @ianaddison no. I became a teacher partly so that I could visit my

family abroad. It's the only job that lets me. #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:16

RT @Totallywired77: #ukedchat my PGCE course leader hadn't

been in a classroom for over ten years! But they had taught? Is that

a bad thing?

Mallrat_uk

20:16

I think there are loads.. @colport: #ukedchat I think there are

teachers who don't know what else to do, therefore become

teachers :-(

JOHNSAYERS 20:16 does your area offer this? #ukedchat

kiwiteacheruk

20:16

RT @phillengthorn: it's not until you're an NQT that you find out

how lonely a profession teaching can be #ukedchat


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davestacey

20:17 @ianaddison Many teachers would work to fill time available

(including TMs over holidays!). Issue for me is flexability. #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk

20:17

Yes @ianaddison: #ukedchat if by some magic, your working

week was cut down to '9-5' and no work went home, would you

take short holidays?

ianaddison

20:18#ukedchat it's also interesting how many teachers end up withteachers. I feel that @charliedeane (sort of) understands when I

need to work!

phillengthorn20:18

I think a 2yr PGCE with some sort of induction year would work??

#ukedchat

deerwood20:18

RT @gideonwilliams: #ukedchat Does increased flexibility come

with Academy status? Less job security perhaps

ITsmartie

20:18

#ukedchat Imagine if cuts mean teacher training ends up in schools

entirely! Only time I ever really had to think deeply - a massive

loss!

davestacey

20:18 In HE, late night = late start next day. In schools you're more tired

starting at the same time. Lack of flexibility big issue #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:18

RT @Totallywired77: #ukedchat my PGCE course leader hadn't

been in a classroom for over ten years! At the time though we

didn't question her

john_at_muuua

20:18

RT @JOHNSAYERS: How many NQTs have the head or senior

management constantly offering support, guidance, moral

support? #ukedchat

sophiebessemer

20:18

Jumping on #ukedchat bandwagon - tell all 2ndary teachers + NQTs

there's actually 70,000 prizes 4 Youtube Dream Teachers + odds

look high!

marketspi

20:18 #ukedchat when I was an nqt I didn't have a work-life balance. Only

my organisation of resources etc made it easier in later yrs.

Mallrat_uk

20:18 I only feel the need for long holidays as I don't feel like I get

weekends/evenings to myself.. @ianaddison #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:18

Perhaps Gove is right & all training should take place in schs,

sounds like few teachers have faith in the uni contribution here

#ukedchat

brianhuxley20:18

#ukedchat holidays already short?? How many teachers get theholidays they appear to get?!

brianhuxley20:19

#@john_at_muuua Yes - it is professional dialogue. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:19

@sophiebessemer education as reality TV show? #ukedchat

AdiNotNow20:19

School where I am Governor has SCITT students. All do very well

#ukedchat

ianinsheffield

20:19

RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat if by some magic cure, your working

week was cut down to 9-5 and no work went home, would you

take short holidays?

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iteachyear4

20:19

@Grevster73 Sorry to say but I did feel that a lot of the uni days

were box ticking days and added very little to what I needed.

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:19 is what we are doing now counted as work? #ukedchat

davestacey

20:20

For me it's not the length of holidays that's the issue, I'd just like

reg terms with 2 wk break between to properly recharge

#ukedchat

dailydenouement

20:20

I think there should be a secondment system where in yr 2 or 3 of

teaching you go to another school for term. Keep things fresh!

#ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:20 @ianaddison It's true! I've been with non-teachers and they just

don't get the hours needed to give to the job. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:20

@ianaddison @charliedeane and teachers make the best parents.

serious quality time! #ukedchat

ianaddison

20:20@Mallrat_uk evenings? oh yeah the time I have a bit of food, do

some work and go to bed #ukedchat

sequinelephant

20:20

Its made clear during application/ training that teaching isn't an

easy ride. I'm not sure why so many are suprised that its tough

#ukedchat

JayeRHill

20:20

@deerwood I'm not convinced that going from school to a 4th BeD

than back into school also makes a good teacher. Experience does

#ukedchat

doc_gnome20:20

@EnterpriseSBox #ukedchat fair point but how many have other

experience. What should we do for those that don't?

mbrayford

20:20 #ukedchat teaching is not a 9-5 job. Enjoy planning creative lessons

and prepping for them. Feel paperwork could be streamlined

kiwiteacheruk

20:21 @ianaddison @Mallrat_uk Agree about evenings!! Throw 3 kids of

own into the mix!!! #noworklifebalance! #ukedchat

dailydenouement20:21

Totally agree RT @sarahjnl: #UKEdChat in school quality training is

vital, tutors have to be current and passionate

Janshs20:21

#ukedchat @Laura_987 35 years and lots of moaning and lots of

joy later - I say no keep going

phillengthorn

20:21

RT @dailydenouement: I think there should be a secondment

system where in yr 2 or 3 of teaching you go to another school for

term. Keep things fresh! #ukedchat

sarahjnl20:21

#UKEdChat in school quality training is vital, tutors have to be

current and passionate

davestacey

20:22

RT @dailydenouement: There should be a secondment system

where in yr 2 or 3 of teaching you go to another school for term.


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Totallywired77

20:22 #ukedchat for NQT's to develop into creative facilitators of learning

they need mentoring from creative facilitators of learning

sarahjnl20:22

#UKEdChat prospect of making a difference in young peoples lives

til I'm 67 is a bit daunting

ianinsheffield20:22

@mbrayford Why can't teaching be a 9-5 job? Honestly, it's so less

stressful knowing the precise length of your working day.#ukedchat

colport 20:22 @gideonwilliams Should be mandatory #ukedchat

john_at_muuua

20:22

silly question, but after all the training why exactly do we make

NQTs teach a sample lesson at interview? are they really

helpful?#ukedchat

Janshs20:22

RT @sarahjnl #UKEdChat in school quality training is vital, tutors

have to be current and passionate

colport

20:22

RT @gideonwilliams: #ukedchat Remember at York Uni where

PGCE lecturers were required to do a school secondment every 2-3

yrs

JOHNSAYERS

20:22 I get told I have great subject knowledge and yet my degree and

masters have nothing to do with most of my curriculum! #ukedchat

geraldhaigh1

20:23

@john_at_muuua The sample lesson is OK so long as people

observing have a sense of proportion about what to expect.

#ukedchat

Jokprice20:23

@davestacey agreed 1week half term is spent working 2 means

you can relaz as well #ukedchat

13SciDave

20:23 #ukedchat Wish I'd picked up this earlier tonight. Teaching is hard

work ... but still think the good bits are just amazing.

JOHNSAYERS

20:23

Should NQTs tour schools in an area and find NQT tutors who are

like minded to aid their acceleration process of learning ideas

#ukedchat

Mallrat_uk20:23

I am glad I am not with another teacher.. Means I switch off

sometimes! @ianaddison @charliedeane #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:23

@sarahjnl try not to think about it. then a Year 9 annoys me and I

gain perspective! ;-) #ukedchat

egalr20:23

@Laura_987 all the tweets suggesting NQT is much harder than

PGCE is worrying me slightly! :S #ukedchat

doc_gnome

20:23@Grevster73 #ukedchat Gove being right; a bit of a worry! I thinkyou have a point though. I learnt more in school than Uni based

lectures.

AdiNotNow

20:23

Spent some time this academic year seconded, training BEds in IT

use in primary schools. Opened my eyes.... New ideas, visions

#ukedchat

cleverfiend

20:23

I wonder why I'm not snowed under with work? What am I not

doing? Should I feel guilty? Is it because I work in special ed?

#ukedchat

bellaale20:23

RT @Totallywired77: #ukedchat for NQT's to develop into creative

facilitators of learning they need mentoring from creativefacilitators of learning

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marketspi20:23

@ianaddison #ukedchat isn't that mostly because teachers don't

get out much & get together with colleagues?!

davestacey20:23

@dailydenouement I'd extend that to cross phase as well

#ukedchat

Janshs 20:23 @sarahjnl daunting but amaing? #ukedchat

KnikiDavies20:23

@john_at_muuua @ianaddison @charliedeane but my son was

crying yesterday because I've been working on reports for so long:o( #ukedchat

Janshs 20:24 @sarahjnl or even amazing #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:24

@KnikiDavies @ianaddison @charliedeane there is that. Oh gods,

coursework moderation hell! #ukedchat

dailydenouement

20:24 Absolutely - would be great RT @davestacey: @dailydenouement

I'd extend that to cross phase as well #ukedchat

ianaddison20:24

@dailydenouement don't leave. Think about it. It;s a bloody

amazing job!! #ukedchat

dailydenouement20:24 What advice would you give to a relatively new teacher thinking of

leaving then? #ukedchat

sarahjnl20:25

#UKEdChat don't get me started on Jamie Oliver.... I don't pretend

to cook, Jamie don't dabble!

tas_sasso

20:25

Teaching looks appealing to those struggling for jobs but have

degrees. You need a commitment and passion to do this job

#ukedchat

AdiNotNow

20:25

@dailydenouement speak to an experienced teacher and ask for

advice or help. Most of all, would your heart break if you left?

#ukedchat

kirstyforbes

20:25 Would having more than 1 year in your 1st school help?I would feel

better this year if I was still in 1st school consolidating #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:25 @JOHNSAYERS yes. want them to. great idea! :-) #ukedchat

davestacey

20:25 I do worry that current training model isn't giving us the kind of

teachers that we need. Training to yesterdays model? #ukedchat

dailydenouement

20:25

Wants to point out this is hypothetical! RT @ianaddison:

@dailydenouement don't leave. Think about it. It;s a bloody

amazing job!! #ukedchat

deerwood 20:25 @dailydenouement close the door quietly after you.#ukedchat

Janshs

20:26

@Laura_987 yep u've got loads 2 look forward to; how else can

you keep young (forever?), laugh every day (almost) & never be

bored #ukedchat

john_at_muuua

20:26 @geraldhaigh1 why is it OK? What exactly does it tell us? What

about really experienced teachers doing it? should we? #ukedchat

Totallywired77

20:26

#ukedchat with LEA's no more local schools need to develop

federations where teachers lead CPD sessions for teachers. SLT can

organise it

MrGPG20:26 @john_at_muuua You'd test drive a car before you bought it and

wouldn't just believe the specs #ukedchat

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sophiebessemer

20:26 @john_at_muuua #ukedchat Absolutely not. Dream Teachers is

the antithesis of the reality TV. It's for real teachers.

Janshs20:27

@Laura_987 not forgetting the chance to read the asbestos plan :-)

#ukedchat

13SciDave20:27 @dailydenouement #ukedchat Have a long hard think - it is, as

@ianaddison says a bloody brilliant job ... but a hard one!

Educationiser

20:27

#ukedchat Personal tutor said in the first few weeks: "#PGCE is a

two year course squashed into a year" - spot on in my humble

opinion.

davestacey20:27

Does it just take 5 yrs for people to realise that!?!? #ukedchat

john_at_muuua

20:27

@egalr @Laura_987 Being an NQT is MUCH better. 90% of

behaviour management is school person, can't do it as a BT

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:27OK FOLKS LETS START THINKING CREATIVELY NOW. HOW CAN WEKEEP NQTS IN TEACHING? #ukedchat what ideas do we have for

training regimes?

davestacey

20:27 There are times I forget, but for me, this is the best job in the

world. If that isn't the case then it must be awful. #ukedchat

sarahjnl20:27

#UKEdChat there is scopefor slt doing more hours for undisturbed

quality planning

Mallrat_uk

20:27 #ukedchat I 'only' got an ordinary degree,in Gove's plan I wouldn't

be a teacher but I have only had good or outstanding #justsaying

john_at_muuua

20:28 @mrgpg Would I test drive someone else's car with them present?

(sorry, stretched the metaphor somewhat!) #ukedchat

damoward

20:28

RT @deerwood: #ukedchat I'm not convinced a 1year PGCE can

qualify someone to teach as well as a 4yr B.ed . Teaching is about

more than subject knowedge

Joeleppington20:28

@dailydenouement #ukedchat put everything else to one side and

focus completely on the children.

davestacey20:28

Does anyone know how UK dropout figures compare

internationally? #ukedchat

ianinsheffield

20:29@JOHNSAYERS Encouraging them into support networks like thepositive, inspiring atmosphere found here #ukedchat Build up your

PLN!

john_at_muuua

20:29

@egalr @Laura_987 Being an NQT is MUCH better. 90% of

behaviour management is school persona, can't do it as a BT

#ukedchat

davestacey

20:29 Give them time to do the kind of job they want. Frustration at not

having time to do it 'properly' my biggest bugbear #ukedchat

kirstyforbes20:29

@rashush2 true! My 1st school was fab and would have been good

to have another year to really develop at same school and stage#ukedchat

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jennitonic8020:31

#ukedchat I'd love more support and less feeling like being

negatively judged. Paranoid or wrong school choice?

JOHNSAYERS

20:32 @IaninSheffield totally agree #ukedchat so should the training

programme have that focus rather than lecture halls?

PICTR_Blog20:32

RT @Totallywired77: #ukedchat avoid telling NQT's that a three

part lesson is the way to plan for deep learning

Mallrat_uk

20:32 #ukedchat make sure the NQT mentor is actually a good role model

and enthusiastic etc. We have NQT quitting but has little support.

Grevster73

20:32

RT @tas_sasso: Teaching looks appealing to those struggling for

jobs but have degrees. You need a commitment and passion to do

this job #ukedchat

schools4lifeuk20:32

how could NQTs have more support for their health and wellbeing?

#ukedchat

AntHeald20:32

Expectation on NQT's to plan to the point of virtually scripting

lessons is unrealistic. Nearly did for me 18yrs ago. Worse now.#ukedchat

brianhuxley

20:32 RT @deerwood: Do schools welcome NQTs with new ideas? Or do

they try to mold them into existing practices? #ukedchat

john_at_muuua

20:32 I don't see teacher turnover as a problem. I'd rather have a great

NQT for a few years than a stuck in a rut teacher for life. ukedchat

paulhaigh

20:32

#ukedchat The Teaching School idea is to keep mentoring and

tutoring a trainee right through the career all the way to leadership

and on

deerwood20:32

Do schools welcome NQTs with new ideas? Or do they try to mold

them into existing practices? #ukedchat

sarahjnl20:32

#UKEdChat we have 3 gtps who all sparkle with our kids, a privilege

to see!

AdiNotNow

20:33 @colport @jennitonic80 Not just OFSTED but LAs and SL who

quickly forget what it's like at the screen face. #ukedchat

rashush2

20:33 #ukedchat If i didn't always feel so overwhelmed by busyness, I'd

be able to support NQTs better And other colleagues

ianinsheffield

20:33@LeahJames21 Why is that? What do you think your course needsto do to equip you to survive & thrive in your first few years?

#ukedchat

paulhaigh

20:33 One sad thing is failing schools aren't allowed students and NQTs-

who would bring the latest ideas and energy #ukedchat

kirstyforbes

20:33 #ukedchat negativity from other teachers in staffroom, and lack of

others up for change and innovation can really bring an rqt down!

Mallrat_uk 20:33 #ukedchat and yes others of us do try..

Joeleppington

20:33@john_at_muuua #ukedchat there are many potentially excellentnqt's who may leave for very avoidable reasons, surely we want to

keep them!

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boondocksYEAH

20:33

Behaviour. Realisation that the job is never done.Being on your

own with a sudden (in some cases) lack of support #ukedchat

@dailydenouement

colport

20:34

RT @SchoolDuggery: We know Free Schools don't have to employ

qualified teachers, but do their headteachers need NPQH?

#ukedchat

tweetingteach20:34 @AntHeald The three part lesson is not always the best way to

plan, the 5 part lesson, even less so #ukedchat

rashush2

20:34 #ukedchat I think being part of a supportive community of practice

is massively important for most people. Needs time.

jennitonic80

20:34

@deerwood #ukedchat regularly told to forget my ideas and focus

on school rules. Very demotivating as LOVE my career choice

FINALLY!

kirstyforbes

20:34

RT @JOHNSAYERS: How many training programmes offer our

everyday job? Planning, Marking, differentiation, behaviour

management, targets analysis, #ukedchat

cherrylkd

20:34

#ukedchat standardised, accredited mentor training course lasting

1 term . Teach mentor to teach NQTs how to survive + work life

balance

kirstyforbes

20:34

RT @MrGPG: the best way to stop NQTs leaving is to recruit them

more vigorously in the first place. A passion for teaching /

education #Ukedchat

colport20:34

@AdiNotNow @jennitonic80 Agree. #ukedchat It's like an

initiation! :-(

sarahjnl

20:34 #UKEdChat networking schools, giving real experience shadowing

staff in different contexts gives nqt a real flavour

Mallrat_uk

20:34

Or 5-part in our school! @Totallywired77: #ukedchat avoid

telling NQT's that a three part lesson is the way to plan for deep

learning

miss_harfner

20:34 #ukedchat I'm a #PGCE student and I'm already considering putting

off NQT year due to too much stress and bad work/life balance.

Totallywired77

20:34

RT @paulhaigh: One sad thing is failing schools aren't allowed

students and NQTs- who would bring the latest ideas and energy

#ukedchat

AntHeald

20:34RT @PICTR_Blog: RT @Totallywired77: #ukedchat avoid tellingNQT's that a three part lesson is the way to plan for deep learning


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iteachyear4

20:35

Think support in school needs to be improved for all teachers, not

just NQTs. Too many are out to tread on others to get ahead.

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:35

@miss_harfner no sarcasm, but how would you overcome that

without doing the NQT year? ukedchat

sarahjnl20:36

#UKEdChat networking is crucial, sharing joys and angsts and

supporting each other, it's also list of fun

iteachyear4

20:36

RT @Grevster73: we need to understand that the 1st 5 y r a v

steep learning curve: more support & nurtiurng is needed

#ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:36

RT @dailydenouement: I feel that NQT/ITT should include

assertiveness training - people need to know they can say no, they

can ask for help etc #ukedchat

jennitonic80

20:36

#ukedchat mystudents make great progress, lessons are engaging. I

get shot down for having not typed up a detailed lesson

plan.Priorities?

sarahjnl20:37 #ukedchat isn't it more that permanent jobs are like rocking horse

poo! Nqts leave cos can't get jobs????

JOHNSAYERS20:37

@LeahJames21 agree Leah #ukedchat is the place for you and in

your local area

richardsw1620:37

#ukedchat Why do NQTs leave? Poor training/supervision in their

first school, lack of proactive mentoring.

jennitonic8020:37

@kirstyforbes that's exactly what's happening to me. #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk

20:37 Agreed, we just had NQT pass but then the school sacked her.. She

shouldn't have been passed! @julietteheppell #ukedchat

AdiNotNow

20:37

@dailydenouement I feel all teachers need to know how to be

assertive to their SLT! After all need to know when not to press

staff #ukedchat

egalr

20:37 RT @iteachyear4: I think the competition for jobs doesn't help as

some NQTs end up in schools that they aren't suited to #ukedchat

ianinsheffield

20:37

@JOHNSAYERS Probably doesn't matter where it comes from, so

long as it happens. If you recognise the power of a PLN, big it up

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:37

@jennitonic80 'I don't want to see lesson plans, I want to see

planned lessons' :-) ukedchat

iteachyear420:37

I think the competition for jobs doesn't help as some NQTs end up

in schools that they aren't suited to #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:38

#ukedchat teach meets need to be more regular in areas perhaps.

Introduce days in the PGCE programme where students attend

teachmeets

SusanElkinJourn

20:38

#ukedchat In over 3 decades never taught anything remotely

resembling 3 part lesson. Much more fluid & organic - always.

Spontanaity vital

LeahJames2120:38

@JOHNSAYERS Ill be an NQT soon I think having connections with

other NQTs that are going through the same situation would help.#ukedchat

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kirstyforbes20:38

@jennitonic80 it's the worst! I wish they would go if they hate it so

much! #ukedchat

MrGPG

20:38

@jennitonic80 the lesson might have been a fluke. The point of a

plan is to demonstrate longitudinal thinking and metacognition

#ukedchat

jennitonic8020:38

@paulhaigh here here. Uni encouraged our fresh blood. Shot down

moment step in school. #ukedchat

rashush2

20:38 #ukedchat also I think lots of new teachers, specially good ones,

get overloaded with curriculum responsibility before they're ready

john_at_muuua20:38

RT @sarahjnl: #UKEdChat networking is crucial, sharing joys and

angsts and supporting each other, it's also list of fun

davestacey

20:38 RT @iteachyear4: Think support in school needs to be improved for

all teachers, not just NQTs. < completely agree #ukedchat

jackieschneider

20:38RT @sarahjnl: #UKEdChat networking is crucial, sharing joys and

angsts and supporting each other, it's also list of fun

schools4lifeuk

20:38 RT @sarahjnl: #UKEdChat networking is crucial, sharing joys and

angsts and supporting each other, its also lots of fun #ukedchat

RSeddon

20:38

I've seen first hand just how seriously stress can affect teachers

and agree with @iteachyear4 about support wholeheartedly.

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS20:39

right at the end of the chat tonight I think a few tweetpolls one for

the preferred training route #ukedchat

Grevster73

20:39 RT @john_at_muuua: @iteachyear4 Good point. Always tell my

BTs that they must choose the school, not the reverse. #ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:39

@RSeddon Was poorly supported first 3 terms of my NQT year

IMO. I felt v.alone and considered leaving that school. Glad I didn't!

#ukedchat

paulhaigh

20:39

@LeahJames21 #ukedchat links with other NQTs is good, links with

RQTs also very good, telling you how it will be in a couple of yrs

time

danniisgreat

20:39

@iteachyear4 do you then think people with a previous career

rather than those straight out of school/uni cope best with nqt

year #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:39

@iteachyear4 Good point. Always tell my BTs that they mustchoose the school, not the reverse. #ukedchat

Totallywired77

20:39

@jennitonic80 @deerwood school "rules" or vision should b

focussed on learning & nothing else never let anyone tell you

otherwise #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk

20:40 I work at an academy of excellence which has a family of 8 schools

and we have NQT events to allow NQTs to get together #ukedchat

ZoeAndrewsAST

20:40

#ukedchat sorry late tonight, parents evening! Are stats still 50%

leave within 3 years? Think quality of mentors and SLT support

vital.

ukedchat20:40

@footiedodd Please follow the #ukedchat hash tag, and enjoy the

conversation :-)

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iteachyear4

20:40

@danniisgreat Being someone who came into teaching later...yes!

Seriously though, think it's more an individual characteristic.

#ukedchat

doc_gnome

20:40

@tas_sasso #ukedchat you make a good point. How many go into

teaching because of a lack of what they think is a decent

alternative?

cherrylkd

20:40 @paulhaigh#ukedchat I agree. I learn so much every year from my

new batch of student teachers and any NQTs I mentor

LeahJames21

20:40

@IaninSheffield a lot more time school based rather than uni.

Some are fab but I learn far more on placement in real situations

#ukedchat

paulhaigh

20:40

@jennitonic80 you need to work in a school like mine- there isn't

time not to spot, nurture and bring on talent in our trade

#ukedchat

AdiNotNow20:41 @danniisgreat @iteachyear4 depends upon their prior jobs. Hi

stress then maybe. #ukedchat. Need own kids maybe?

jackieschneider

20:41

#ukedchat - sorry I'm late. Been planning a campaign with chefs 2

keep cooking on curric Lots of high profile chefs have huge respect

4 us!

Grevster73

20:41

RT @ZoeAndrewsAST: #ukedchat sorry late tonight, parents

evening! Are stats still 50% leave within 3 years? Th (cont)

http://deck.ly/~IzMAd

paulhaigh

20:41

@cherrylkd #ukedchat its one reason why we have 20+ students

each year- we get to appoint a few too to posts, they bring ideas

and energy

kirstyforbes

20:42 RT @iteachyear4: I think the competition for jobs doesn't help as

some NQTs end up in schools that they aren't suited to #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:42

After 1 year I was running my geography department. I only

managed this through great only websites, forums #ukedchat NOW

twitter, blogs

colport20:42

RT @inner_spark: @colport yes,or actors who can't get acting work

so teach drama instead! #ukedchat

ianinsheffield 20:42 @JOHNSAYERS Or organise them! #NQTMeet ?#ukedchat

sarahjnl20:42

#UKEdChat all staff need to find their own style within nurturing

and standards contexts. Surely it's down to ht of the school jobsare in

Totallywired77

20:42

RT @LeahJames21: @IaninSheffield a lot more time school based

rather than uni. Some are fab but I learn far more on placement in

real situations #ukedchat

iteachyear4

20:42 @Grevster73 Is that because they have tried other jobs and know

it doesn't have to be as tough as teaching is? #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:42

@SusanElkinJourn 3 parts? what happened to the 4 part lesson?! ;-

) #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:43I'd be happy to go along to a North East NQTmeet to offer mysupport and open door (online, house) to any teacher wanting help

#ukedchat

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iteachyear4

20:43 @LeahJames21 Totally advise against that! You will hate being in a

school where you're not allowed to 'flourish' #ukedchat

LeahJames21

20:43

@iteachyear4 I agree I've been told to apply to every school and

year to get a job rather than finding a school/year that suits me

#ukedchat

paulhaigh

20:43 @JOHNSAYERS I agree with @thebuffetking that ALL teachers

should use twitter best CPD I've ever had #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk

20:43 Do you not think uni days are useful for PGCE, not so much for

content but for venting to others in same position? #ukedchat

Totallywired77

20:43

RT @ZoeAndrewsAST: #ukedchat sorry late tonight, parents

evening! Are stats still 50% leave within 3 years? Think quality of

mentors and SLT support vital.

AdiNotNow20:44 Learned loads from helping my own children. Helped me prepare

for teaching. Definatetly helped when I started to teach. #ukedchat

ianinsheffield

20:44

@LeahJames21 Which is kinda strange because I now feel I'm

learning more (after 20 yrs in classroom) now I'm back (PT) at Uni :-

) #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:44 The ideas I get from twitter have revolutionised my teaching so

training programmes really need to get involved #ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:44

@cherrylkd #ukedchat its one reason why we have students each

year- they bring ideas and energy... ditto

SusanElkinJourn 20:44@john_at_muuua Mine never had any 'parts' at all. Ofsted would

shoot me at dawn now. #ukedchat

primaryict20:44

Does anyone know of a good list of hash tags for PGCE students,

and NQT's? #ukedchat #naace

jennitonic80 20:45 @Mallrat_uk #ukedchat that sounds great!!

sarahjnl

20:45

RT @JOHNSAYERS: I'd be happy to go along to a North East

NQTmeet to offer my support and open door (online, house) to any

teacher wanting help #ukedchat

Totallywired77

20:45

RT @JOHNSAYERS: The ideas I get from twitter have revolutionised

my teaching so training programmes really need to get involved

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua20:45

@SusanElkinJourn Ha! I thought I was winning on parts there for aminute! #ukedchat

LeahJames21

20:45 @iteachyear4 that's what I think I have only applied to schools

where I have a certain feeling towards instead #ukedchat

paulhaigh20:45

@SusanElkinJourn I bet your lesson had many episodes, you just

didn't called them starters plenaries etc #ukedchat

iteachyear420:45

@Grevster73 I don't envy the unis TBH. What works for one, is a

nightmare for another! #ukedchat

jennitonic8020:45

@paulhaigh #ukedchat chose wrong school. Need to network!!

Love the kids. The NEED people like me. Gutted aboutmanagement :-((

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paulhaigh

20:46

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat interesting idea but teacher training and

teaching means teaching SEN students, do that alongside good

teachers at 1st

jackieschneider

20:46

RT @JOHNSAYERS: The ideas I get from twitter have revolutionised

my teaching so training programmes really need to get involved

#ukedchat

AntHeald

20:46RT @JOHNSAYERS: The ideas I get from twitter have revolutionisedmy teaching so training programmes really need to get involved

#ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:46

@paulhaigh Of course. But they weren't rigidly pre-planned. I went

with what was right for those students at that time - instinct.

#ukedchat

narthernlad20:46

@Educationiser get you, straight into ukedchat too! Great cpd!!!!

Bonus points for Ben!

AdiNotNow20:46

@jennitonic80 @paulhaigh Management, these days, is an ever

increasing hazard of education #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:46How about part of the training programme should be to be ateaching assistant for 2 months and work with the SEN department

#ukedchat

AdiNotNow

20:47 @JOHNSAYERS Was a TA for 12 months before teaching but can

give a different mindset not desireable for teachers #ukedchat

MrGPG

20:47 @IaninSheffield no. Collaboratively planning a lesson and sharing

the feedback is a great way to reflect and learn. #ukedchat

sarahjnl20:47

#UKEdChat how about being a student in class how could you

further differentiate for abilities!

john_at_muuua20:47

right, time to put daughter to bed. Thanks for an inspiring evening

guys. great thinking here as ever. #ukedchat

iteachyear420:47

@LeahJames21 Good for you! Don't worry if all around you are

getting jobs. Your job will find you! #ukedchat

Henry_Platten20:47

RT @stuartice: #UKEdChat @schools4lifeuk could help set up a

network. Wellbeing and support essential

JOHNSAYERS20:47

Should we have designated schools, locations for teachmeets so

teachers get consistency? #ukedchat

deannaGTP

20:47

RT @Totallywired77: #ukedchat for NQT's to develop into creative

facilitators of learning they need mentoring from creative

facilitators of learning

danniisgreat

20:47

@iteachyear4 @leahjames21 See this too often on PGCE. Bad

move. Important to carefully consider the school, ethos, location

etc #ukedchat

LeahJames21

20:47

@paulhaigh I agree! My PLN has opened my eyes a lot to the

teaching community. Helps when my family are clueless about the

stress #ukedchat

ianinsheffield

20:48

RT @MrGPG: @IaninSheffield no. Collaboratively planning a lesson

and sharing the feedback is a great way to reflect and learn.

#ukedchat

didactylos

20:48#ukedchat as someone who has left after 36 years I take my hat offto any of you newbies who stay the course, far tougher than in my

day

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deannaGTP

20:48

RT @iteachyear4: @ianaddison It's true! I've been with non-

teachers and they just don't get the hours needed to give to the

job. #ukedchat

sarahjnl

20:48 RT @JOHNSAYERS: Should we have designated schools, locations

for teachmeets so teachers get consistency? #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

20:48@paulhaigh my PGCE year had zero SEN training and I wascompletely swamped 1st year in NT on my own #ukedchat thats

where that came from

julietteheppell

20:48 #ukedchat surely part of it is about being less insular - sharing and

learning from best practise world wide! That's rare!

frogphilp20:48

@JOHNSAYERS Govt calls those - training schools. Let's not do that -

all the power in one place #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk20:48

I believe 'parts' were partly brought in for those who don't have

that instinct though! @SusanElkinJourn #ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn

20:49#ukedchat Seriously, great shame that formulaic lesson planninghas replaced real on-your-feet responsiveness to student need.

#ukedchat

JCBarrington

20:49

@Educationiser As a student on a 4yr BEd thinking reducing it to 3

is silly, can't even imagine what a 1yr PGCE would be like.

#ukedchat

paulhaigh

20:49

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat that's bad, another nail in the coffin for

PGCE? if you trained in schools with SEN kids you'd couldn't not

pick it up

EnterpriseSBox20:49

#ukedchat has been excellent tonight. Check it out Thursdays 8-

9pm each week. Thanks @JOHNSAYERS

jennitonic8020:49

#ukedchat anyone know of an NQT support group/meet thing in

Sussex??

jackieschneider20:49

RT @sarahjnl: #UKEdChat how about being a student in class how

could you further differentiate for abilities!

tj007

20:49

only just got here - is the topic NQT retention? My PGCE was a 2yr

full time course - pressure a lot less & more time to grow

#ukedchat

MrGPG20:50

@jennitonic80 disagree. Surely you can share written plans ;-)

clearly not every lesson. #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS20:50

Ok folks last 10 minutes are upon us #ukedchat how about a core

of volunteers to create NQT teachmeets for April?? #ukedchat I'lldo NE

iamclairei

20:50

@deannaGTP @deannaGTP @ianaddison #ukedchat I agree.love

job so don't mind hours but some friends don't get how I've

ALWAYS got work to do!

paulhaigh

20:50

#ukedchat we have to get over the idea that when you get QTS

your training is done- that should be just the start, career long

learning

susanbanister

20:50

RT @SusanElkinJourn: #ukedchat Seriously, great shame that

formulaic lesson planning has replaced real on-your-feet

responsiveness to student need. #ukedchat

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LeahJames21

20:50

@IaninSheffield wow maybe my thoughts will change after 20yrs

teaching :) I think on placement I learn more about the job

#ukedchat

iteachyear420:50

@jennitonic80 I'd be willing to help set one up in

Worthing/Brighton area if there was interest #ukedchat

PICTR_Blog20:51 @paulhaigh Don't think that applies to all PGCE courses. Have had

some SEN input on mine. How much is enough though? #ukedchat

deannaGTP

20:51

RT @kiwiteacheruk: RT @phillengthorn: it's not until you're an NQT

that you find out how lonely a profession teaching can be

#ukedchat


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twithelpme

20:52

#twithelp from @primaryict: Does anyone know of a good list of

hash tags for PGCE students, and NQT's? #ukedchat #naace

http://bit.ly/ewGWKX

twolifetimes

20:52

@paulhaigh @JOHNSAYERS There are specific SEN tasks set by the

TDA that most PGCEs do I think. But it always depends on the

school #ukedchat

jackieschneider

20:52#ukedchat - I only did 6 months of PGCE as I was seriously I'll.Started teaching 3 months later having never done a full teaching

practise

AdiNotNow

20:52 I think quality of PGCE varies widely across UK. That's the biggest

issue. Not enough good schools for students in Unis #ukedchat

sarahjnl

20:52

#UKEdChat surely formulaic lesson planning went out with

worksheets, we aren't factory production workers, these are

children

JOHNSAYERS20:52

@paulhaigh exactly that was my thought for rotating schools more.

SEN, school with behaviour problems, a successful school etc#ukedchat

SusanElkinJourn20:52

@Mallrat_uk In that case they're in the wrong job. #ukedchat

mrcICT20:52

@paulhaigh Is this not the whole point of the induction process?

#ukedchat

Mallrat_uk

20:53

Hard to create jobs when so many schools offering

redundancies!@JenScrine: #ukedchat RT @JenScrine:

@JOHNSAYERS create enough jobs,...

mrcICT20:53

@jennitonic80 I know ESCC have NQT network meetings, not sure

about WSCC or Brighton? #ukedchat

LeahJames21

20:53

RT @paulhaigh: #ukedchat we have to get over the idea that when

you get QTS your training is done- that should be just the start,

career long learning

Totallywired77

20:53

RT @cherrylkd: @john sayers #ukedchat The new teaching schools

have a requirement for expert teaching mentors. This may help to

keep some NQTs

jennitonic80 20:53 @iteachyear4 #ukedchat let's do it!!! I teach at TLA!

JOHNSAYERS20:53

@JenScrine Is that why you considered/consider working abroad?

#ukedchat

MrGPG20:53 @mrcICT clearly. If planning, teaching, observation and reflection

is a supportive development aid = excellent cpd #ukedchat

paulhaigh

20:53

@mrcICT #ukedchat yes but induction yr ends, and for some its like

'phew I can relax now' would u fancy going to a Dr who stopped

learning?

ianinsheffield

20:53

RT @paulhaigh: #ukedchat we have to get over the idea that when

u get QTS yr training is done- should be just the start, career long

lrning

ianinsheffield20:54

@paulhaigh Wassat?! Dr Who's stopped learning? Surely not? ;-)

#ukedchat

jennitonic80

20:54@MrGPG #ukedchat point taken. Share ideas and use writtenreflections which help tweak SoW etc. Will try writing a few more

in future ;-)

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brickbybricktc

20:54

RT @culturelearning: Are the arts hardest hit by HEFCE cuts to

university funding? http://bit.ly/g6eKNy #artsfunding #ukedchat

#culturelearning

JenScrine

20:54

Yes no jobs at all in wales. Hundreds apply 4 each post RT

@JOHNSAYERS Is that why you considered/consider working

abroad? #ukedchat

danniisgreat20:54 @jackieschneider seriously you were given a job and QTS without

having completed your practise? #ukedchat

sarahjnl

20:54

#UKEdChat in Finland it's 7 yrs training, teachers are the top

graduates who are top teachers and that's why standards are so

much higher!

carrief7

20:54 Is there any sense in the phrase "Teachers are born and not

made?" My mum swears by it and I feel it could be true! #ukedchat

DeclanFleming20:54

#ukedchat - [1of2] want to big up my former HoD. When I was

NQT, backed me to the hilt (kids + SMT alike)

schools4lifeuk20:54 RT @stuartice: #UKEdChat @schools4lifeuk could help set up a

network. Wellbeing and support essential

iteachyear4 20:54 @jennitonic80 No way! I'm at Connaught! #ukedchat

doc_gnome

20:54

@swelsh04 @tas_sasso #ukedchat are they the most likely to leave

profession? Either way what can be done to help them over their

insecurity?

jackieschneider 20:54 #ukedchat -teaching can be a lonely business.

JenScrine

20:55

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat I feel lots of ppl go pgce primary as it's

'only a year and they don't know what else they can do' it's an easy

option

paulhaigh 20:55@IaninSheffield yours Dr still putting those leeches on you??

#ukedchat

iamclairei

20:55

@LeahJames21 He works in HMV now and much happier!

#ukedchat Best thing to do is not rule schools out straight away -

visiting helps

JOHNSAYERS20:55

@jackieschneider thats why trying to get the NQT teachmeet

sorted for regions now:) #ukedchat

LeahJames21

20:55

#ukedchat I recently sat the QTS tests - what a waste of time! Very

limited knowledge needed to pass compared to what you need in a

class!

schools4lifeuk20:55 @jennitonic80 got to get health and wellbeing for teachers right

and then can model it to the children and young people #ukedchat

DeclanFleming

20:55

#ukedchat [2of2] he dropped in last thing most Fridays and just

said "you're doing a good job" ... that's all I needed. More of this

please!

Mallrat_uk

20:55

Nope, I am in an outstanding schools and still very

formulaic@sarahjnl: #UKEdChat surely formulaic lesson

planning went out with worksheets

jennitonic80 20:55 @ianinsheffield think I just might!!! #ukedchat

JenScrine20:56

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat whereas I spent 4 years training as it's all

I wanted to do

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JOHNSAYERS20:59

Right PEOPLE AREAS YOU MAY COVER FOR NQT TEACH MEETS???

Me North East England #ukedchat You?????

JOHNSAYERS

21:00

Ok folks that is 9pm! thank you all for taking part it was an

adrenaline fuelled discussion tonight and I had no control hahaha

#ukedchat

Mallrat_uk21:00

I would do Yorkshire (I am in west Yorkshire) teachmeet NQT

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat

jennitonic80

21:00

RT @DeclanFleming: #ukedchat ... teachers can be their own worst

enemy ... too self-critical ... tell a colleague this week what a bang

up job they do :)

iteachyear4

21:00 @JOHNSAYERS I did exactly the same! A lot of teachers at school

think I'm 'sad' for using Twitter. If only they knew! #ukedchat

svenhall

21:00 Used Crazytalk today to stimulate persuasive writing. What a treat

seeing the enthusiasm!!! + achievement : )" #ukedchat #edtech

mooshtang

21:00I did a 1 year PGCE. Think I'm doing alright!! Depends on individualPGCE vs BEd. PGCE allows a var of backgrounds into profession

#ukedchat

ukedchat21:00

Please join @dughall at the same time next week for #ukedchat

Poll soon available

jennitonic80

21:00

@schools4lifeuk #ukedchat couldn't agree more. Found there's

little compassion for those struggling, can be hard to admit not

coping well

JOHNSAYERS

21:00

@LeahJames21 @jackieschneider @iteachyear4 I have little

support in school:( I went outside the box, twitter, blogs, local

schools #ukedchat

colport21:01

@JOHNSAYERS I cannot believe you hosted #ukedchat via web!

Phew!!! Now breath!!!

mrcICT

21:01 #ukedchat So 1 piece of advice for NQT's/Trainee's? Mine would be

To make your learning relevant to chn in your class.

Grevster73 21:01 @Totallywired77 well done and thanks #ukedchat

PICTR_Blog

21:01

Pressure to get a job makes it tempting to apply for and take

anything going. Hope it's not too risky to wait for the right job!

#ukedchat

Mallrat_uk21:01

RT @iteachyear4: @JOHNSAYERS I did exactly the same! A lot of

teachers at school think I'm 'sad' for using Twitter. If only theyknew! #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 21:01 @GeoBlogs great man #ukedchat

jessamacookie

21:01



up job they do :)

iamclairei

21:01

@JCBarrington @deerwood #ukedchat I did a 3yr(4 wasn't on

offer) I think I'm a better teacher now than be if I'd stayed an extra

yr at uni.

caroljallen21:01

@carrief7 #ukedchat There are def some teachers who just 'have

it'. However there are many who work hard to achieve it sadly afew...

JOHNSAYERS 21:01 @Mallrat_uk Fab! #ukedchat

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Totallywired77

21:01

#ukedchat @JOHNSAYERS great stuff as always buddy, you are a

legend. All NQT's should follow him on twitter, I have learnt masses

from him

schools4lifeuk

21:02

great to join you for the first time this evening! check out

www.schools4life.org.uk for support & advice on health &

wellbeing #ukedchat

Mallrat_uk 21:02 #UKEdChat thanks all.. See you next week

jackieschneider

21:02

#ukedchat arguing about PGCE v B Ed is just plain stupid. It's horses

for courses. Some people will never be right whichever route -

some ace

ianinsheffield21:02

Thanks to @JOHNSAYERS for hosting and all #ukedchat

contributors for helping me learn a little more :-)

paulhaigh

21:02 You are all welcome (OK no literally all- about 10 places left) to

come to visit us next week http://bit.ly/eDtxlJ #ukedchat

davestacey21:02


enemy ... too self-critical ... tell a colleague this week what a bangup job they do :)

JOHNSAYERS

21:02

@iteachyear4 I get daily mocked by some staff as I apparently

pronounce twitter as twitter and they snigger and call me a geek!

#ukedchat

EnterpriseSBox

21:02



up job they do :)

EnterpriseSBox

21:03

@declanfleming That is so true - it's so easy to moan at / to

everyone...bad habit to get into...TELL SOMEONE THEY'RE GREAT

TODAY! #ukedchat

iamclairei

21:03

RT @ianinsheffield: Thanks to @JOHNSAYERS for hosting and all

#ukedchat contributors for helping me learn a little more :-)


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paulhaigh21:04

http://bit.ly/eDtxlJ by the way its free- all paid for by SSAT lurvly

folk #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS

21:04

right folks I'll be back in 30 mins! I have to go and pick the wife up

who has said goodbye to her parents back off to Abu Dhabi

#ukedchat

iamclairei 21:04 @LeahJames21 @iteachyear4 Ditto! #ukedchat

ikeontoast

21:04RT @DeclanFleming: #ukedchat ... teachers can be their own worstenemy ... too self-critical ... tell a colleague this week what a bang

up job they do :)

jennitonic80 21:04 @JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat south. ME!!

Janshs

21:04 RT @ianinsheffield: Thanks to @JOHNSAYERS for hosting and all

#ukedchat contributors for helping me learn a little more :-)

caroljallen21:04

Thanks to #ukedchat for an interesting hour and to

@JOHNSAYERS for hosting!

MathsChatterbox

21:04For me, my PGCE was the ultimate dieting plan - I lost 1.5 stone in

the year! #ukedchat (so glad it wasn't 2 years!)

PICTR_Blog

21:04

RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat arguing about PGCE v B Ed is just

plain stupid. It's horses for courses. Some people will never be right

whichever route -some ace

PICTR_Blog

21:05 Thanks to @JOHNSAYERS and all involved for an interesting

#ukedchat . My first time, definitely not my last!

JOHNSAYERS

21:05 love the volunteers for NQT teachmeets! I'll be on the email at the

weekend to schools across the north east! #ukedchat

paulhaigh 21:05cheers @johnsayers especially doing it with web twitter- heroic!

#ukedchat

Joeleppington

21:05

RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat arguing about PGCE v B Ed is just

plain stupid. It's horses for courses. Some people will never be right

whichever route -some ace

JOHNSAYERS 21:05 @jennitonic80 legend! #ukedchat

jennitonic8021:05

@iteachyear4 #ukedchat yeah think that's her name! Will do!

rashush221:06

#ukedchat just tried itweet don't like it much anyone else got a

suggestion?

AmandajICE21:06

RT @schools4lifeuk: great to join you for the first time this

evening! check out www.schools4life.org.uk for support & adviceon health & wellbeing #ukedchat

LeahJames21

21:06

@JOHNSAYERS @jackieschneider @iteachyear4 well you have a lot

of support on here :) hope that makes up for a little of it!

#ukedchat

favstar_pop

21:06



up job they do :)

cornish_james 21:06 missed #ukedchat grrrrrrrrr

jennitonic8021:06

@JOHNSAYERS thanks John! Good chat. Another inspiring hour.

#ukedchat

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janwebb21

21:13

RT @NickiA10: #ukedchat Sorry missed it tonight. Sounds like a

good one. I was hoping to join in as think this is such an important

area!

janwebb2121:14

@NickiA10 I missed #ukedchat too :( but the kitchen floor is now

cleaned up after an apple crumble disaster

PeterBurgessEdu21:15 Make PGCE's pass skills tests before acceptance onto courses.

Make the skills tests relevant to teaching subject #ukedchat

tas_sasso

21:18 @colport this makes me sad as this can result in teachers who

haven't got the passion which I think is key! #ukedchat

colport21:20

@tas_sasso It makes me furious. Short changing the pupils :-(

#ukedchat

chrisrat

21:20

RT @ianinsheffield: More fantastic people to follow - just 1 more

reason #ukedchat ... someone my age shouldn't say this, but what

the hey ... it rocks! ;-)

janwebb21

21:22 @NickiA10 @eyebeams yup - dropped crumble, broke dish burnt

hand - think I'm going to have an early night!!! #ukedchat

PhoebeRowell

21:23

RT @schools4lifeuk: great to join you for the first time this

evening! check out www.schools4life.org.uk for support & advice

on health & wellbeing #ukedchat

pjj66 21:24 @jackieschneider ukedchat....dare one mention GTP?

gracewithfire

21:25

RT @BrainTrack: A video to make you remember why you're a

teacher http://wp.me/p1obo4-2p RT @rbnpepper #education

#teaching #teachers #edchat #ukedchat

Graham_IRISC

21:25



up job they do :)

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